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Brady to Moss will expose almost anyone, unfortunately.

Glad we saw them in preseason so we can work on it!

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As much as I like Blache and the defense, I largely agree with GTripp. We're a very, very good defense, but we're not elite. Elite defenses produce sacks, many 3&Os, and turnovers.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;581655]As much as I like Blache and the defense, I largely agree with GTripp. We're a very, very good defense, but we're not elite. Elite defenses produce sacks, many 3&Os, and turnovers.[/quote]

Yep...that's the bottom line at this point. Blache still has work to do. Let's hope he's not done scheming and he "gets smarter."

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;581655]As much as I like Blache and the defense, I largely agree with GTripp. We're a very, very good defense, but we're not elite. Elite defenses produce sacks, many 3&Os, and turnovers.[/quote]

I don't think anyone around here thinks we're an elite defense. My only beef w/ Blache is he needs to hide his blitzes a little better.

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[quote=GTripp0012;581541]Sounds like your problem is less with the analysis and more with the fact that I was the one bringing it.[/quote]

It's just think that you're always finding things to pick at about the defense. I think everyone here knows that we're not in the same class as Pittsburgh and Balt. They've got better players and their schemes are better. But the scoring defense was very good. Do you agree with that?

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I'm thinking and hoping that Blache is keeping his cards hidden and we see a different defense scheme-wise on Sept. 13 and following.

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Something tells me that wasn't our all-out defensive attack last night.

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To me the defense looked kinda vanilla. We ran the same blitzes we have seen all preseason. The coaches aren't game planning that much. We really need Carlos for the secondary to be better. We have to remember to that we went up against the best offense in the league last night without our number 1 corner. Our team looked good. we styed with those guys step for step and point for point. Our d did get a big stop at the end of the half. Kudos gentleman!

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sure carlos rogers didn't play, and deangelo hall got beat by randy moss, but still is good..after that, im a little sketch about our secondary..maybe we should bring in a vet like patrick surtain, and cut tryon.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;581728]sure carlos rogers didn't play, and deangelo hall got beat by randy moss, but still is good..after that, im a little sketch about our secondary..maybe we should bring in a vet like patrick surtain, and cut tryon.[/quote]

Tryon played decent last night. In fact he a impressive pass break up on what I thought was a third down play. I'm not a big fan of his, but I don't see many vets that will offer more than what he does, if so they would be on someone else's roster. If you look at the way the secondary played, it did fine except for whoever paid on Moss. I think letting him go one on one with Hall was not smart. We did play without Rogers, he is a very good corner, maybe our best.

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My point is that Carlos is a bigger bodied cb and could have been able to play a little better against a bigger reciever like Moss.

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[quote=GTripp0012;581541]Sounds like your problem is less with the analysis and more with the fact that I was the one bringing it.[/quote]

No Gtripp sounds like your problem is more with this defense (or I suspect this coach). Thanks for the summary you are right I have not read [I]All[/I] of your post on this subject didn't know it was a prerequisite to stating my opinion. I never said we were an elite defense. Oops I said we were a top five defense. As in:
1.) Pittsburgh 2.) Baltimore 3.) Philadelphia 4.) WASHINGTON 5.) New York Giants. (you can google that)

I never said we had elite talent, or that guys didn't get beaten, picked on or hurt last year. I never said we got a lot of sacks or any other stat you find important. I said when looking at this football team over the past few years you really had to play with the numbers to blame this defense for the teams woes (or you have to have an axe to grind.)
As far as the "bottom line" statistic when talking about defense there is only one that matters: points allowed. Point Blank Period. If your defense finishes third in that category and you finish 8 and 8 and miss the playoffs. don't start lecturing us about sacks or quarterback pressures or takeaways. Defense is Defense it is not Offense. It is great when Defense can help put points on the board but their primary job is keeping points off the board. This defense finished third in that category last year.

Find a new subject.

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[quote=RedBar;581753]No Gtripp sounds like your problem is more with this defense (or I suspect this coach). Thanks for the summary you are right I have not read [I]All[/I] of your post on this subject didn't know it was a prerequisite to stating my opinion. I never said we were an elite defense. Oops I said we were a top five defense. As in:
1.) Pittsburgh 2.) Baltimore 3.) Philadelphia 4.) WASHINGTON 5.) New York Giants. (you can google that)

I never said we had elite talent, or that guys didn't get beaten, picked on or hurt last year. I never said we got a lot of sacks or any other stat you find important. I said when looking at this football team over the past few years you really had to play with the numbers to blame this defense for the teams woes (or you have to have an axe to grind.)
As far as the "bottom line" statistic when talking about defense there is only one that matters: points allowed. Point Blank Period. If your defense finishes third in that category and you finish 8 and 8 and miss the playoffs. don't start lecturing us about sacks or quarterback pressures or takeaways. [B]Defense is Defense it is not Offense. It is great when Defense can help put points on the board but their primary job is keeping points off the board. This defense finished third in that category last year.[/B]

Find a new subject.[/quote]


Nicely done. :food-smil

Re: Redskins' Secondary Woes
 

[quote=RedBar;581753]No Gtripp sounds like your problem is more with this defense (or I suspect this coach). Thanks for the summary you are right I have not read [I]All[/I] of your post on this subject didn't know it was a prerequisite to stating my opinion. I never said we were an elite defense. Oops I said we were a top five defense. As in:
1.) Pittsburgh 2.) Baltimore 3.) Philadelphia 4.) WASHINGTON 5.) New York Giants. (you can google that)

I never said we had elite talent, or that guys didn't get beaten, picked on or hurt last year. I never said we got a lot of sacks or any other stat you find important. I said when looking at this football team over the past few years you really had to play with the numbers to blame this defense for the teams woes (or you have to have an axe to grind.)
As far as the "bottom line" statistic when talking about defense there is only one that matters: points allowed. Point Blank Period. If your defense finishes third in that category and you finish 8 and 8 and miss the playoffs. don't start lecturing us about sacks or quarterback pressures or takeaways. Defense is Defense it is not Offense. [B] It is great when Defense can help put points on the board but their primary job is keeping points off the board.[/B] This defense finished third in that category last year.

Find a new subject.[/quote]

Would it be fair to say the Pats win in last night's game tied directly to their D's ability to put 6 points on the board? If your D doesn't make other teams pay for their mistakes, and risk taking, then you embolden other teams to try that risky long shot, why because they know our D won't make them regret it. I hope that changes this year.

Re: Redskins' Secondary Woes
 

[quote=RedBar;581753]No Gtripp sounds like your problem is more with this defense (or I suspect this coach). Thanks for the summary you are right I have not read [I]All[/I] of your post on this subject didn't know it was a prerequisite to stating my opinion. I never said we were an elite defense. Oops I said we were a top five defense. As in:
1.) Pittsburgh 2.) Baltimore 3.) Philadelphia 4.) WASHINGTON 5.) New York Giants. (you can google that)

I never said we had elite talent, or that guys didn't get beaten, picked on or hurt last year. I never said we got a lot of sacks or any other stat you find important. I said when looking at this football team over the past few years you really had to play with the numbers to blame this defense for the teams woes (or you have to have an axe to grind.)
As far as the "bottom line" statistic when talking about defense there is only one that matters: points allowed. Point Blank Period. If your defense finishes third in that category and you finish 8 and 8 and miss the playoffs. don't start lecturing us about sacks or quarterback pressures or takeaways. Defense is Defense it is not Offense. It is great when Defense can help put points on the board but their primary job is keeping points off the board. This defense finished third in that category last year.

Find a new subject.[/quote]

I agree. I really find it hard to put too much blame on the defense. Forcing more turnovers would be a nice bonus though.

Remember to try not to take things too personal though