Re: Russ Grimm Elected Into Hall of Fame Class of 2010
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;661009]How accurate is the hall? I mean John Stallworth gets elected before Art Monk. And Russ Grimm, the best player on the best O-Line in history has to wait over a decade to get elected? I actually found something interesting. Joe Namaths best season is actually comparable to Cutler in 2009. So today Jay Cutler throws a bunch of picks and he's a complete bust. Joe Namath does it and he's a Hall of Famer. And don't give me that crap about good passing numbers being hard to come by from that time frame.

Bart Starr, Johnny U, and Fran Tarkenton posted at least three 90+ season. Johnny U and Bart even passed the 100 point mark a few times.

I mean I love Terry Bradshaw as a commentator in fact he should go to the hall of fame as one, but as a QB he really has no business being there

In fact if Jason Campbell plays in the 60's and 70's with the numbers he's put up over the last few years then he's a candidate as a first ballot hall of famer. Maybe Skip Bayless was right, it really is the Hall of Good.[/quote]Namath gets a bad rap, but he's was actually a much better quarterback than a lot of people give him credit for.

The problem is, Namath supporters speak of him like he was better than Tarkenton, better than Starr, better than Staubach, better than Len Dawson, and he simply wasn't in that class.

But in terms of hall of fame standards, Namath takes a really big hit for his quarterback rating being roughly league average for the era instead of in line with the best statistical quarterbacks of all time. Truth is, Namath was a guy who was a standard deviation above the mean in net yards per attempt, which is a hall of fame type inclusive statistic. He fell closer to Cutler on the Cutler-McNabb sack-interception continuum (that I created just now), but that's not a bad or a good thing inherently. It just is. Namath was very deserving of his HoF nod, even if he got it for all the wrong reasons.

Bradshaw, on the other hand, is a slightly above average player who is there primarily for team-related accomplishments. The 70's Steelers really don't have a single offensive player who was a hall of famer in the truest sense. Franco Harris was probably the best player on that unit, and he was a pro bowler each of his first 9 seasons, so that's probably the best argument for a HoFer from that offense, but they did win four rings, so a whole bunch of people associated with them were getting in. Ken Stabler and Ken Anderson only wish they were so lucky.

Re: Russ Grimm Elected Into Hall of Fame Class of 2010
 

Well deserved Russ!! This is yet another achievement that makes us proud to be part of the Skins tradition! This is a testament of how great our org. was under Beathard/Gibbs/Buges (among others) and most importantly Jack Kent Cooke(RIP), the best owner of all time!

Next up for the HOF : J.Jacoby, G.Clark, C.Mann! I know wishful thinking but what the heck! :)

Re: Russ Grimm Elected Into Hall of Fame Class of 2010
 

[quote=GTripp0012;661021]Namath gets a bad rap, but he's was actually a much better quarterback than a lot of people give him credit for.

The problem is, Namath supporters speak of him like he was better than Tarkenton, better than Starr, better than Staubach, better than Len Dawson, and he simply wasn't in that class.

But in terms of hall of fame standards, Namath takes a really big hit for his quarterback rating being roughly league average for the era instead of in line with the best statistical quarterbacks of all time. Truth is, Namath was a guy who was a standard deviation above the mean in net yards per attempt, which is a hall of fame type inclusive statistic. He fell closer to Cutler on the Cutler-McNabb sack-interception continuum (that I created just now), but that's not a bad or a good thing inherently. It just is. Namath was very deserving of his HoF nod, even if he got it for all the wrong reasons.

Bradshaw, on the other hand, is a slightly above average player who is there primarily for team-related accomplishments. The 70's Steelers really don't have a single offensive player who was a hall of famer in the truest sense. Franco Harris was probably the best player on that unit, and he was a pro bowler each of his first 9 seasons, so that's probably the best argument for a HoFer from that offense, but they did win four rings, so a whole bunch of people associated with them were getting in. Ken Stabler and Ken Anderson only wish they were so lucky.[/quote] Great post GTripp. Guys it is impossible to compare QB's / wr's of todays game with those who played in the 70's . [url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1972/leaders.htm]1972 NFL Leaders and Leaderboards | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url] ,to pass for 20 td's in a season from 70-77 would put you at the top , as you can see in 72 B. Kilmer lead the NFL with 19 td's . As far as Bradshaw , nobody was going to complete 60% / better in the offense they ran , throwing 15-20 yds downfield to the WR's , The TE for the Steelers avg'd 11 recp's per/yr . Bradshaw was at the top in td passes and yds / attempt [URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1978/leaders.htm"]1978 NFL Leaders and Leaderboards | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/URL] ...[URL="http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1978/leaders.htm"]1978 NFL Leaders and Leaderboards | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/URL] averaging over 14yds / Attempt . Not saying he was as good as Montana / Marino and some other HOF , but considering his two starting WR's were hurt most of the time , he did ok . You cannot win 4 SB's with a garbage qb , maybe one ... but not 4 .

Re: Russ Grimm Elected Into Hall of Fame Class of 2010
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;660987]I would love to see "Boss Hog" (Bugel) introduce him. By the way where is Chris Carter?:laughing2 I bet he's pissed. Too bad!![/quote]

Joe Bugel will be his presenter, Grimm confirmed that last night

Re: Russ Grimm Elected Into Hall of Fame Class of 2010
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;660987]I would love to see "Boss Hog" (Bugel) introduce him. By the way where is Chris Carter?:laughing2 I bet he's pissed. Too bad!![/quote]

Chris Carter should be pissed. He's is one of the best wr's of his time and of all time. I guess the media people that vote don't like the guy.

Re: Russ Grimm Elected Into Hall of Fame Class of 2010
 

[quote=GTripp0012;661020]Was Russ really the best Hog of them all? His career as a great player made it until roughly age 27 or 28. Jacoby, I think, would get my vote as the greatest of the bunch, even though the hall is overrun with offensive tackles, and Lachey might have been even better, although he didn't have all of his very best years in Washington.

I'm happy to see the unit get recognition, but I would have much preferred them to go in together as "The Hogs" because it was truly a unit that was greater than the sum of its parts. Seeing Grimm get elected is bittersweet for me, if only because other players who deserve the honor just as much if not more probably don't get in now. It was, in my opinion, the "get a Hog in the Hall" campaign that got Grimm over the hump, and without that type of moral dilemma to push on otherwise neutral voters, now Jacoby, Lachey, and Bostic have basically no chance. And I don't really like that.[/quote]

Although I'm very very happy for Grimm I though Jacoby was the best player on the line. Perhaps it wa becuase of his longevity. Lachey simply didn't play long enough to merit any consideration. Bostic was not a great player. Good but not great.

Re: Russ Grimm Elected Into Hall of Fame Class of 2010
 

[quote=skinsfan69;661032]Chris Carter should be pissed. He's is one of the best wr's of his time and of all time. I guess the media people that vote don't like the guy.[/quote]

I don't think it's that they don't like him, it's that they don't necessarily place him significantly above other WR candidates like Ande Reed, so the votes gets split essentially.

I think Grimm's post-playing career in the NFL helped him as well, though no voter would readily admit to that.

Re: Russ Grimm Elected Into Hall of Fame Class of 2010
 

[quote=SmootSmack;660925]Confirmed[/quote]''

I would say three words, "It's about time". He can now join the other greats that played alongside him during his career, including his coach. I'm happy for Russ Grimm.

Re: Russ Grimm Elected Into Hall of Fame Class of 2010
 

Congrats to Russ Grimm! I honestly didnt think this would be a year he got in..

Re: Russ Grimm Elected Into Hall of Fame Class of 2010
 

Grimm was well deserving and if only one Hog is going to be in, I think he's the right choice. I've always thought Skins fans overrated Jacoby just a bit. I think the fact that LT pretty much owned him sticks out to voters and holds him back. Grimm was very much a dominant interior lineman. I don't recall anyone owning him, and his legendary performances against the likes of Randy White is his calling card.

Re: Russ Grimm Elected Into Hall of Fame Class of 2010
 

FINALLY a Hog gets in!!! This is very well deserved, and frankly, Joe Jacoby should be in as well.

Re: Russ Grimm Elected Into Hall of Fame Class of 2010
 

This is a great thing for the "Hogs" of the 80's. Joe Jacoby deserves it as well. Maybe he will be next from those 80's teams.

Which defensive players do you feel as though should make it from those teams.

How about Charles Mann, Wilber Marshall, or Dexter Manley?

DM will probaly never get in because of his past with Substance abuse, but if LT can make it can't anyone?

Re: Russ Grimm Elected Into Hall of Fame Class of 2010
 

I think Grimm just may be the last representative of the Skins glory years of the 80's/early 90's

Re: Russ Grimm Elected Into Hall of Fame Class of 2010
 

[quote=skinsfan69;661032]Chris Carter should be pissed. He's is one of the best wr's of his time and of all time. I guess the media people that vote don't like the guy.[/quote]

Chris Carter can wait just like Art Monk had to.

Re: Russ Grimm Elected Into Hall of Fame Class of 2010
 

Jacoby, Manley and Clark deserve to be there as well.