Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk;754837]Belichick didn't become a hard ass when they won, he wore out his welcome in Cleveland because of that. [B]The best coaches are the ones that do things their way, no exceptions.[/[/B]QUOTE]

Apparently......not here?

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=Mattyk;754837]Belichick didn't become a hard ass when they won, he wore out his welcome in Cleveland because of that. The best coaches are the ones that do things their way, no exceptions.[/quote]I think the progression of Coughlin and Belichick from my-way-or-the-highway to more adaptive styles is evidence to the contrary. As is the transition of Parcells from a guy who won a lot of games and super bowls to a .500 coach in his last two stops.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;754856]I think the progression of Coughlin and Belichick from my-way-or-the-highway to more adaptive styles is evidence to the contrary. As is the transition of Parcells from a guy who won a lot of games and super bowls to a .500 coach in his last two stops.[/quote]

I don't see any evidence that supports the notion that Coughlin or Belichick have become any less stubborn or demanding. They simply suffered through the growing pains -- alienating, cutting or trading anyone without unconditional support for them -- and now they have good teams full of professionals who don't question anything, show up to meetings on-time, and work hard at their jobs. That is a strategy for success, regardless of your profession.

People usually respond well to people who know what they want. Coaches like Coughlin and Belichick, spend a lot of time and effort to devise a solid long-term plan, and then they stick to it. The plan wasn't pulled out of thin air -- it was decided upon for many good reasons, and you'd never see coaches like them abandoning their plans mid-season. However, if they came to realize that a guy on their team didn't fit their plan as well as they originally thought, they wouldn't hesitate to make a change. The plan > the player.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=Mattyk;754837]Belichick didn't become a hard ass when they won, he wore out his welcome in Cleveland because of that. The best coaches are the ones that do things their way, no exceptions.[/quote]

Belichick also drafted a hall of fame QB with a 7th rounder. A little luck goes a long way too.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;754755]Accountability is huge with Shanahan, and that explains his decisions regarding AH, and probably DM as well. It sounds like you'd rather sacrifice accountability and principles for a win.

As for Rabach, I'm willing to bet he's the hardest working guy on the team. And, sadly, he is probably our best option at center.[/quote]


I am starting to seriously question Shanahan's "principles". Anyone noticed that McNabb is "out of shape" according to Shanahan. Seriously?

At least saying a 340 pound lineman, who you don't like, is out of shape passes the eye test. Trying to sell that McNabb is now "out of shape"? I am not buying.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

The dye has already been cast where Haynesworth is concerned. I could be wrong, but I have a feeling we won't have Albert to kick around next season if there is one.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=Longtimefan;755193]The dye has already been cast where Haynesworth is concerned. I could be wrong, but I have a feeling we won't have Albert to kick around next season if there is one.[/quote]

He is a bargain if they decide to keep him.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=Mattyk;754772]Totally agree.

I don't think there's any real confusion or mistrust anyway. The whole situation with Haynesworth was blown out of proportion and I think the dust will settle on this McNabb issue as well.[/quote]


have to disagree with you on Haynesworth here Matty ,big Al started this crap and has kept it going he's gone after this year but as for McNabb I agree...this will blow over wining a few games will solve that and if you make the playoffs ...he'll get his long term deal.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

How has AH kept it going?? Have you seen the last 3 games he's played in?

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;755202]He is a bargain if they decide to keep him.[/quote]
He has to date been the type of bargain we can.......ill afford and a far to common place occurrence at Redskin park. While the talent is there, the head is not

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=Giantone;755304]have to disagree with you on Haynesworth here Matty ,big Al started this crap and has kept it going he's gone after this year but as for McNabb I agree...this will blow over wining a few games will solve that and if you make the playoffs ...he'll get his long term deal.[/quote]

While I have generally NOT been in Big's corner with this deal, I must say the interviews with him (that I have seen) were totally impressive.
Not the entitled spoiled "Superlete" I expected at all.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=Mattyk;755325]How has AH kept it going?? Have you seen the last 3 games he's played in?[/quote]

3, Bears ..yup he had a good game against a very bad O line,Lions game played ok not what the Skins are paying for him but what I meant was when the situation was at it's peak ...there was more to blame AH then MS.

I think both mcnabb and haynesworth are here next season. The AH drama is dissipating, and I'm confident the mcnabb drama will likely do the same. Every time some issue like this comes up, everyone freaks out and makes ridiculous presumptions about getting rid of the player/coach in question. Both mcnabb and haynesworth make our team better, and there's no logic in getting rid of them unless we find a better option, which I'm doubtful will happen in one off-season.

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Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

Watching the game now, and first thought of the day: Ma'ake Kemoeatu is really in beast-mode these last two weeks. He didn't play much last week but flashed when he did. This week he's all over the place. Dominic Raiola is no slouch at center, but against Kemo and Haynesworth, he could do almost nothing right.

Re: Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan: An unlikely win-win situation?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;755499]Watching the game now, and first thought of the day: Ma'ake Kemoeatu is really in beast-mode these last two weeks. He didn't play much last week but flashed when he did. This week he's all over the place. Dominic Raiola is no slouch at center, but against Kemo and Haynesworth, he could do almost nothing right.[/quote]

I agree, Kemo and AH are both playing well right now. Hasslett needs to reconize that and adjust his substitution pattern.
I watched the game again last night, mostly to watch the defense and McNabb...one major thing jumped off the scree at me. Kedric Golsten in playing really bad. He is playing on roller skates. The guy is getting pushed around and it is embarrassing. The major long runs were run right at his gap and he was pushed 5 yards off the line. Something need to be done. He is not a starter and it is time to make a change. He is not the player of the future that I thought he was. He is an ok backup, but that is it.