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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;993386]He should have his eyes taped open and be forced to [b]watch the love scenes in girl with the dragon tattoo over and over for 24 hours straight.[/b][/quote]

Nope. RGIII's 2012 highlight reel on endless loop.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;993333]First of all, i think your analogy is crude and inappropriate for this site. Its certainly not the type of thing i want to read when i come here, especially when im at work.

Secondly, the 36 million didnt disappear. the cap dollars the league took away from the skins and the other 3 penalized teams was evenly distributed among the entire league. The only reason the Union supported the penalty, was because the league told them the penalty was the only way they'd allow the cap to stay "flat" as opposed to decreasing, which woul dhave made the union look bad.

You see, the current union leadership told the players that the cap would continue to go up by something like 10% a year, like it had been in previous years. However, under the new CBA, the cap isnt going up and isnt expected ot any time soon. If the had gone DOWN, in the first year after the new CBA was signed, the union would have faced a mutiny. The penalties against the 4 teams allowed the owners to be vindictive against teams that refused to illegally collude against the players, and it allowed the union (who was supposed to represent the players interests) to save face against their constituents.

Ultimately, the players are the ones getting screwed by all of this. The league has deceived them time and time again and its own union is weak and doesnt represent their interests.[/quote]

I wonder what would have happened if the NFLPA said no we won't sign the agreement. Yeah the NFL threatened to reduce the CAP but by how much for each team? Also one would think the players would have been up in arms had the NFL came out after just getting over a hold out and said "Oops, sorry we have to lower the CAP." For what reason? I'd also think that would be a breach of the contract they just agreed to. NFL punishes the two teams there would be proof of collusion.

I think the NFLPA should have said no thank you and then said try to lower the CAP now less then 6 months after you agreed to pay the amount.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;993388]Nope. RGIII's 2012 highlight reel on endless loop.[/quote]

I still think Mara wanted nothing more than to stop us from getting Griffin, and when he couldn't make up something with draft picks he went the cap penalty route.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;993391]I still think Mara wanted nothing more than to stop us from getting Griffin, and when he couldn't make up something with draft picks he went the cap penalty route.[/quote]

Yeah, I just find it very sketchy with how Mara handled this, as well as most Redskins fans would. The fact that nothing was said, supposedly, until a few hours before free agency started was just very telling in my opinion. It would be very hard to convince me that it was all mere coincidence that the 'skins would be notified about such violation just hours before free agency. Everything points to a hatchet job to me, and it's great knowing that it kind of blew up in Mara's face. The Giants didn't win the division, didn't even make the playoffs, the Redskins got their quarterback, won the division, and made the playoffs. Also the fact that the two teams that were penalized were the two teams at the end of the season battling it out for the division crown and a playoff spot. Serves Mara right for being so devious.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;993359]There is a salary cap but not a salary floor. Didn't some of the cheapskate owners stay well under the salary cap last season?

Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones would have spent right up to their cap numbers to get better players. Some of the other owners would not and, I think, did not.

The players got screwed, afterall.[/quote]

Good point. THe Redskins and Cowboys should point this out to De Smith. Might be a pertinent point in the fight with the league. Even if moot it's worth a shot.

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I remember at the time it happened there were heresay stories of BA having long discussions with DeSmith. I think that point was already made, but DeSmith saw an opportunity to get a collusion case re-opened and went for the golden goose. Honestly, if Doty had even given any discovery to the NFLPA, it would have made any small % loss this year looked like chump change.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;993391]I still think Mara wanted nothing more than to stop us from getting Griffin, and when he couldn't make up something with draft picks he went the cap penalty route.[/quote]

Mara has gone on record as saying he wanted to take draft picks. Still, the salary cap penalty helped us get Griffin, if anything. Had we not had the 18MM penalty, we might have tried more aggresively to sign Manning instead of RGIII. Since rookies are paid so little, a salary cap penalty wouldnt hinder us from signing RGIII or any other draft pick.

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[quote=SBXVII;993389]I wonder what would have happened if the NFLPA said no we won't sign the agreement. Yeah the NFL threatened to reduce the CAP but by how much for each team? Also one would think the players would have been up in arms had the NFL came out after just getting over a hold out and said "Oops, sorry we have to lower the CAP." For what reason? I'd also think that would be a breach of the contract they just agreed to. NFL punishes the two teams there would be proof of collusion.

I think the NFLPA should have said no thank you and then said try to lower the CAP now less then 6 months after you agreed to pay the amount.[/quote]

It would have been interesting if the NFLPA had had the balls to do what you suggest, but i'm pretty sure DSmith would have been voted out of office immediately had the cap gone down at all. Even if it wasnt significant, it would have completely eliminated any confidence the players had in him.

Still, its not like the NFLPA could have gotten a better deal - they had no leverage. Due primarily to the financial irresponsibility of so many players, the union simply could not afford to miss any games and the league knew, and exploited that fact.

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980 is saying we've released Jammal Brown. Cue the Hallejuah youtube clip.

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[quote=SBXVII;993389]I wonder what would have happened if the NFLPA said no we won't sign the agreement. Yeah the NFL threatened to reduce the CAP but by how much for each team? Also one would think the players would have been up in arms had the NFL came out after just getting over a hold out and said "Oops, sorry we have to lower the CAP." For what reason? I'd also think that would be a breach of the contract they just agreed to. NFL punishes the two teams there would be proof of collusion.

I think the NFLPA should have said no thank you and then said try to lower the CAP now less then 6 months after you agreed to pay the amount.[/quote]

Dont come over to this section much and I realize that this is a week late. But the NFL cant lower the salary cap on the NFLPA, it is done by a formula that has been negotiated between the two. The salary cap was going down automatically due to the new CBA. What happened was the player percent of money went down due to the CBA having a smaller cut for the players. (Players money went from something like a 56% to 50% of overall money. Not sure of exact numbers).

IE.. These numbers arent real, just using easier than the real numbers to show the example. I also doubt the formula is this simple, im only using the basics of it.

Say the NFL makes 10 bil per year total. The players percentage is 60%. So they take 10 bil and divide by 60% giving 6 bil to the players. They then divide that by 32 teams, and thats the salary cap. 6 bil divided by 32 is the individual team cap, 187.5 mil per team. Say the new CBA drops the player share to 50%. So now we take 50% of 10 bil, or 5 bil for the players. Divide that by 32 and that is the new cap of 156.25 mil per team. Thats where the lowering of the cap comes from, the players getting a smaller percentage of the revenues than they had in the previous CBA without the revenues rising to make up for it.

Since the cap was going down, DeMaurice went to the NFL and asked if some future money could be moved from later years to this years cap to keep it from going down. The new TV agreements are already negotiated so the cap is expected to rise in 2015 or 2016 when those go into effect. When the NFLPA asked to have money moved forward, thats when Goodell and Mara hit the union with yes we will do that as long as you agree to the sanctioning of the teams we want. The union agreed.

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[quote=Skinzman;994305]Dont come over to this section much and I realize that this is a week late. But the NFL cant lower the salary cap on the NFLPA, it is done by a formula that has been negotiated between the two. The salary cap was going down automatically due to the new CBA. What happened was the player percent of money went down due to the CBA having a smaller cut for the players. (Players money went from something like a 56% to 50% of overall money. Not sure of exact numbers).

IE.. These numbers arent real, just using easier than the real numbers to show the example. I also doubt the formula is this simple, im only using the basics of it.

Say the NFL makes 10 bil per year total. The players percentage is 60%. So they take 10 bil and divide by 60% giving 6 bil to the players. They then divide that by 32 teams, and thats the salary cap. 6 bil divided by 32 is the individual team cap, 187.5 mil per team. Say the new CBA drops the player share to 50%. So now we take 50% of 10 bil, or 5 bil for the players. Divide that by 32 and that is the new cap of 156.25 mil per team. Thats where the lowering of the cap comes from, the players getting a smaller percentage of the revenues than they had in the previous CBA without the revenues rising to make up for it.

Since the cap was going down, DeMaurice went to the NFL and asked if some future money could be moved from later years to this years cap to keep it from going down. The new TV agreements are already negotiated so the cap is expected to rise in 2015 or 2016 when those go into effect. When the NFLPA asked to have money moved forward, thats when Goodell and Mara hit the union with yes we will do that as long as you agree to the sanctioning of the teams we want. The union agreed.[/quote]

Good insight. Come over to this section more often!

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[quote=CultBrennan59;993545]980 is saying we've released Jammal Brown. Cue the Hallejuah youtube clip.[/quote]

I thought his contract expired last Friday?

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[quote=mbedner3420;994321]I thought his contract expired last Friday?[/quote]

That's when I posted it. But is it official? Because I haven't seen reports saying his officially been cut.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;994322]That's when I posted it. But is it official? Because I haven't seen reports saying his officially been cut.[/quote]

Wow I really wish I caught that before I posted my comment lol.

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[quote=Skinzman;994305]Dont come over to this section much and I realize that this is a week late. But the NFL cant lower the salary cap on the NFLPA, it is done by a formula that has been negotiated between the two. The salary cap was going down automatically due to the new CBA. What happened was the player percent of money went down due to the CBA having a smaller cut for the players. (Players money went from something like a 56% to 50% of overall money. Not sure of exact numbers).

IE.. These numbers arent real, just using easier than the real numbers to show the example. I also doubt the formula is this simple, im only using the basics of it.

Say the NFL makes 10 bil per year total. The players percentage is 60%. So they take 10 bil and divide by 60% giving 6 bil to the players. They then divide that by 32 teams, and thats the salary cap. 6 bil divided by 32 is the individual team cap, 187.5 mil per team. Say the new CBA drops the player share to 50%. So now we take 50% of 10 bil, or 5 bil for the players. Divide that by 32 and that is the new cap of 156.25 mil per team. Thats where the lowering of the cap comes from, the players getting a smaller percentage of the revenues than they had in the previous CBA without the revenues rising to make up for it.

Since the cap was going down, DeMaurice went to the NFL and asked if some future money could be moved from later years to this years cap to keep it from going down. The new TV agreements are already negotiated so the cap is expected to rise in 2015 or 2016 when those go into effect. When the NFLPA asked to have money moved forward, thats when Goodell and Mara hit the union with yes we will do that as long as you agree to the sanctioning of the teams we want. The union agreed.[/quote]

Either that's not true or your math is wrong. Cap for this year is in the low 120's. I think I heard $122 mil.

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