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[QUOTE=22stillrocks]Hello... anyone home...
Did anyone actually see the game here???
Come on, Pittman smacked him while the ref pulled them apart. It was at the end. If he did spit after, he would have hit the ref.

Did you see pittmans reaction. Something happened to make him do what he did. Hell, he should have beat the piss out of him. Lucky all he got was a little slap.[/QUOTE]

HAHA Pittman "beat the piss out of Taylor"??? Even you can agree that would never happen.

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[QUOTE=22stillrocks]Well what do you know, there is a sane one in the bunch![/QUOTE]

Dude are you reading the entire thread?!? Most of the people in here think that what Taylor did was wrong, and that he should have gotten ejected. And it is a fact that you cannot see spit on the replay. That doesn't mean we are defending him or supporting what he is doing, you are just a sad Cowboys fan, who decided to start making posts at this forum after you saw that play. Yea you joined in Dec, but you did not make any other posts for a while, until the incident. Some of us think Pittman should have recieved a flag too be he did hit Taylor, that is a FACT. I do not think so, but the arguement is that if you support Pittman, then it is ok to retaliate no matter what, and it is NOT.

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[QUOTE=dgack]This is about the only point in the argument that we can all agree on. All the rest of the bitching and moaning about how Taylor is a punk or whether he did or didn't do it is completely irrelevant. He put the team in a position that could have cost us the game and that's the part that is reprehensible.

Let me ask those of you who seem hell-bent on hanging him out to dry because he's such a bad person this:

If Taylor spit in someone else's face during a game, and nobody saw it, and the national press hadn't picked up on it, and we ended up winning that game because of a play he made later in the game, are you telling me your integrity demands that he be ejected and punished just the same, even if it means we lose the game and ergo don't go to the playoffs?

Are you really so appalled by the "dishonor" of the alleged act, or is it really that you're embarrassed? I'm guessing the latter.

A lot of you guys seem to be holier-than-thou with respect to Lavar and Taylor, to the point where you talk like you're prepared to endure another losing season if that's what it takes to get these "losers" and "punks" off the team. Well, I wonder if you realize how many games we won BECAUSE of those guys, and that we'd be playing golf with the Eagles right now without them.[/QUOTE]

Nice post. I would venture to say that Sean Taylor has been as reliable on and off the field this season as anyone could ask for. Yes, he needs to control his aggression. But he hasn't been a cheap shot artist. And there have been no reports of him showing up late to practice, or getting pulled over by the police, etc. We still have to see what happens with his trial but...innocent until proven guilty

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This is rediculous...ST's actions are indefensable. Anyone defending him should stop and consider how they would view this incident if ST played for the Cowboys...

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[QUOTE=celts32]This is rediculous...ST's actions are indefensable. Anyone defending him should stop and consider how they would view this incident if ST played for the Cowboys...[/QUOTE]

What difference does it make? It's not like he speared a QB or kneecapped someone on purpose. He insulted a guy and according to the ref, spit on him.

If a Cowboys player who was really, really good did that I'd say, "wow, that guy is a dick, and I bet a lot of guys are going to be looking to give him what's coming to him" and that's the end of it.

And secondly, let me ask another question. How many times have you seen a game where the ref misses the guy starting a fight, and catches the guy who retaliated? The retaliator ALWAYS gets tossed.

Ultimately, I dont care if Taylor did it, because without him, we arent in the playoffs. And I don't even know for sure that he did it.

A lot of you guys just seem to like hating on your own team. And that makes me sad.

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I don't think anyone here is defending Taylor's actions as acceptable. Taylor was flagged for UC and ejected. End discussion. Should he be suspended for another game? That will be for league officials to decide, not us. If so, the Redskins will have to go to Seattle and GW will have to run the defense w/o him- just like he ran the defense w/o Springs Saturday and w/o Walt Harris earlier in the season, and more recently w/o Carlos Rodgers. Taylor or not, we'll have a solid defense courtesy of GW come Saturday.

For those of you who wish to crucify Taylor as a street punk, thug, etc. bear in mind that sportsmanship has been an "optional" part of this game since it's history. Players have done some of the most rude and unsportsmanlike things to each other in order to get a competitive edge or punish the opponent (that is, until new rules were enforced to stop that behavior). For examples see Joe "Turkey" Jones, Conrad Dobler, Andy Lambert, Mike Curtis, Jack Tatum, Bill Romanowski, Steve Wisniewski, Rodney Harrison, Johnny Sample, and let's not forget our favorite Cowboy, Roy Williams, who made a living off 'horse-collaring' ball carriers. While I'm not condoning Taylor's actions I am saying that due to the nature of the sport, don't expect these guys to throw a teaparty at midfield after the coinflip. Football is by nature an agressive, violent, and physical sport. There's a lot that goes on between the end zones during a game- Taylor was the one that got caught.

The only thing that upsets me about the incident is the fact that dual UC penalties were not assessed, which I felt would have been appropriate under the circumstances. This is the second time that an opponent has taken a swing at a Redskin player without any punishment being dealt. The final game of the season an Eagle lineman took a swing at Joe Salave'a and no flag was thrown there either.

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Great post Longtime. Sums up a couple of different points I was trying to make in different posts perfectly.

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[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/players/01/25/pile0131/[/url]

"IKE REESE, Eagles Linebacker

"When we played the Patriots last year [Eagles running back] Brian Westbrook fumbled a punt, and we were all down there scrambling for it. [Patriots linebacker] Mike Vrabel had my testicles in his hand, and he was squeezing them. Where the football ends up depends on who has the strongest will or the strongest hands. Guys reach inside the face mask to gouge your eyes. But the biggest thing is the grabbing of the testicles. It is crazy."

I guess next time Sean Taylor should just grab Pittman by the balls

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great post but they did throw a flag against Runyan but it warranted him being ejected too which of course didn't happen. I still can't believe this warrants an ejection but earlier this year when nfl poster boy Ronde Barber took a swing at an opponent and instead hit a ref with a strong cross on the chin and he only got an UC penalty.

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS][url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/players/01/25/pile0131/[/url]

"IKE REESE, Eagles Linebacker

"When we played the Patriots last year [Eagles running back] Brian Westbrook fumbled a punt, and we were all down there scrambling for it. [Patriots linebacker] Mike Vrabel had my testicles in his hand, and he was squeezing them. Where the football ends up depends on who has the strongest will or the strongest hands. Guys reach inside the face mask to gouge your eyes. But the biggest thing is the grabbing of the testicles. It is crazy."

I guess next time Sean Taylor should just grab Pittman by the balls[/QUOTE]

come on we all know getting spit in the face is much more disrespectful than someone grabbing and ripping on your balls cuz that's all part of the game ;)

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Thanks "D". Sometimes I think we're as bad as gossiping housewives and can't help but talk about all the bad stuff that goes on.... we've got our parcel of Brunell haters, Dockery haters, Thrash haters, Patten haters, Cooley haters, Lavar haters, Taylor haters. If we pleased all the haters on this forum, we wouldn't have a fargin football team for crissakes!

With that said, I am glad and thankful that we're going to play again next Saturday. I was realistically looking at an 8-8 season and would have been happy with that. Instead, we run the table, win our last five games, and knock off TB, a team that 'beat' us in the regular season. Honestly, this season more resembles the glory years of Redskin football more than any other in the past 13 years and I pleased as a pig in slop (make that hog...)

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I agree, everyone should be happy as hell that we aren't 6-10. Sean Taylor, well I didn't think he spit on anyone. I don't agree with spitting, but c'mon, do you know how much of that goes on? Anyone here ever play competitive football? I got my ass spit on many times, deal with it. Talyor is a badass. Think of all the great "badasses" For instance, Greg Lloyd of the Steelers. He was a badass, I bet he spit on some pussy on the bottom of the pile. I am not saying that in order to be a "badass" you need to spit, but you should be entitled to talk some shit. Sean Talyor backs it up. Anyway, the media is going to chew this up for as long as they can, they all try to make Taylor out to be a liability to the skins, c'mon, Ray Lewis killed someone, and he is on the cover of video games.

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[QUOTE=twinskinsfan]c'mon, Ray Lewis killed someone, and he is on the cover of video games.[/QUOTE]

I'm new here, but this is already an early contender for my quote of the month! :lol:

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It's true, all those media guys want Talyor out of the league, for fear he might knock the shit out of one them during an interview.

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[IMG]http://test.extremeskins.com/Bucs2/DSC02801.JPG[/IMG]

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I can read Taylor mind, this is what he is saying right now, "is there a pussy on the field? if there is please step forward>"

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I believe st did spit. Pittman wipes his face while complaining to the ref. St did'nt complain he was wronged while being escorted off the field. And to top it off, he giggled like the kid he is in the locker room after the game , under his hooded sweatshirt. He is a great player, but he he needs to grow up (the fine will cost him more than a fourwheeler).
ST, I love you as a player, you helped win the game, but the play was over, and you need to relax and get ready for the next play instead of woofin'!

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True

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[QUOTE=TAFKAS][url="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/players/01/25/pile0131/"]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/players/01/25/pile0131/[/url]

I guess next time Sean Taylor should just grab Pittman by the balls[/QUOTE]

Well see grabbing Pittman's balls was ST's first plan, but he probably realized halfway through that Pittman did not have any, so then he went to plan B.

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[QUOTE=twinskinsfan]I agree, everyone should be happy as hell that we aren't 6-10. Sean Taylor, well I didn't think he spit on anyone. I don't agree with spitting, but c'mon, do you know how much of that goes on? Anyone here ever play competitive football? I got my ass spit on many times, deal with it. Talyor is a badass. Think of all the great "badasses" For instance, Greg Lloyd of the Steelers. He was a badass, I bet he spit on some pussy on the bottom of the pile. I am not saying that in order to be a "badass" you need to spit, but you should be entitled to talk some shit. Sean Talyor backs it up. Anyway, the media is going to chew this up for as long as they can, they all try to make Taylor out to be a liability to the skins, c'mon, Ray Lewis killed someone, and he is on the cover of video games.[/QUOTE]

Spit all you want, but not with the ref standing RIGHT THERE!!!
Great comment on Ray Lewis too.

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[QUOTE=LongTimeSkinsFan]I don't think anyone here is defending Taylor's actions as acceptable. Taylor was flagged for UC and ejected. End discussion. Should he be suspended for another game? That will be for league officials to decide, not us. If so, the Redskins will have to go to Seattle and GW will have to run the defense w/o him- just like he ran the defense w/o Springs Saturday and w/o Walt Harris earlier in the season, and more recently w/o Carlos Rodgers. Taylor or not, we'll have a solid defense courtesy of GW come Saturday.

For those of you who wish to crucify Taylor as a street punk, thug, etc. bear in mind that sportsmanship has been an "optional" part of this game since it's history. Players have done some of the most rude and unsportsmanlike things to each other in order to get a competitive edge or punish the opponent (that is, until new rules were enforced to stop that behavior). For examples see Joe "Turkey" Jones, Conrad Dobler, Andy Lambert, Mike Curtis, Jack Tatum, Bill Romanowski, Steve Wisniewski, Rodney Harrison, Johnny Sample, and let's not forget our favorite Cowboy, Roy Williams, who made a living off 'horse-collaring' ball carriers. While I'm not condoning Taylor's actions I am saying that due to the nature of the sport, don't expect these guys to throw a teaparty at midfield after the coinflip. Football is by nature an agressive, violent, and physical sport. There's a lot that goes on between the end zones during a game- Taylor was the one that got caught.

The only thing that upsets me about the incident is the fact that dual UC penalties were not assessed, which I felt would have been appropriate under the circumstances. This is the second time that an opponent has taken a swing at a Redskin player without any punishment being dealt. The final game of the season an Eagle lineman took a swing at Joe Salave'a and no flag was thrown there either.[/QUOTE]

While I disagree with Taylor's alleged actions, I totally agree with your post.

This type of thing has gone on for eons in the NFL and every other level of competition. In my opionion Taylor isn't a dirty player, but he committed a dirty "deed", if you will.

I like how GW stands by ST. It's weird, he speaks of him almost like a son.

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ST almost cost the skins the game with his stupid selfish penalty. No way would that long bomb at the end of the game been open for TB of ST had been in the backfield. Luckily the ball was dropped. I hope ST can stay focused on what he is supposed to be doing vs the seahags.

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Looks like he has a good chance of playing next week:

[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/08/AR2006010801114.html[/url]

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He said, she said. Blah, blah, blah.

We won, ST gets fined. We move on!

Let's move on people! Nothing to see here!

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[QUOTE=backrow]He said, she said. Blah, blah, blah.

We won, ST gets fined. We move on!

Let's move on people! Nothing to see here![/QUOTE]Exactly. Sean Taylor will be scoring a touchdown or laying a bone crushing hit sometime Saturday afternoon. I'm more worried about his court date scheduled on Jan. 17 and whether or not he'll be able to play the Bears.

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A lot of hostility on an issue that is yet to be resolved. I think you have those defending him because they believe he didn't do it, and since they cannot see it on the replay, think Mike Carey is out of his mind. And you have those who think once a thug always a thug... Honestly, I think some of Taylor's spit does hit Pittman, however everything is not black and white.

There is gray in there somewhere...I think you have 2 very emotional players, who bust their arses play after play, get after each other. I think there was a lot said between these 2, and if anyone has ever gotten emotional and heated, they know there is the slight chance that your mouth fills with saliva. In trying to get the last word, a bit of saliva comes out with the next dis, and all of a sudden Pittman is throwing rights, and Carey is throwing flags. Taylor gets tossed because he got heated, and probably should have backed off and let his Superman like speed and power take over. However, in the heat of the moment, he let emotions get the best of him. I honestly believe if it was intentional, you would have seen Pittman's head jerk back a lot more than it did (if it did). However, if it's just saliva as Taylor's yelling and jawing, it's quite possible that you cannot see it on the replay, and Pittman does get hit.

Not sure what you guys were looking at, but it looked like a pissed off Taylor being led off the field. And once he was ejected, what's the use in a team who has the lead trying to argue with the officials? G-Dub came to his defense after the game, and after talking with Taylor.

Bottom line is something happened out there, and the only 2 people who really know the truth is Sean Taylor and Michael Pittman.

Not that I believe this...but here's my conspiracy twist on it. To that point, Sean Taylor had 7 tackles (4 solo, 3 assists) and was all over the place, even taking out his own player for a bit (Walt Harris). He's been playing balls to the wall for the last few weeks, and has been a force behind a defense only getting better and better.

You have a backup tailback in Michael Pittman, who is known to be a hot head (yes he did beat his wife, but that's irrevalent on the field), and plays with a lot of emotion. Pittman, perhaps thinking to himself, or overhearing his teammates speaking on how much involvement Taylor is having, decides he's gonna try to push Taylor over the edge. Knowing that Taylor is a fireball, he's gonna goat him into doing something stupid. Pittman figures, the worst that could happen to him is he gets ejected, which fires up his team, and leads them to overcome the deficit and win the game.

Pittman waits for the right time, starts jawing with Taylor, and a bit of spit comes out with the words. Without hesitation, he takes a swing at Taylor, all the while screaming, he spit on me, knowing full well that Carey will toss him.

Far fetched, maybe, but with the playoffs on the line, and probably the best raw talent on the field keeping your team down, anything can happen.

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[QUOTE=skindogger47]Exactly. Sean Taylor will be scoring a touchdown or laying a bone crushing hit sometime Saturday afternoon. I'm more worried about his court date scheduled on Jan. 17 and whether or not he'll be able to play the Bears.[/QUOTE]

Will he be doing that or sitting in the locker room midway through the 1st quarter because a seabag goaded him into another stupid penalty? Its a fact the seabags will try to get ST to make another bonehead move like he did in TB, hopefully ST can play a little smarter this week.

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as much as i like to believe it,im not buying the conspiracy thing at all.2 heated competitors going at,no more,no less.but like the old saying goes,"theres no spitting in football"

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That would have to be pretty quick thinking on Pittman's part and in the heat of the battle I doubt he would be that calculated.

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I don't think he HURLED at the guy. You would have seen that. In the process of trash-talking, his words probably got a little wet, just like Bill Cowher. If that is what the ref saw, he has to kick him out of the game. But at the same time, you can't let a player take a punch at another. Pittman should have been penalized also. Taylor does not have a history of spitting on players. That was alleged by Cinncinnati. He probably is just like Cowher and his words get a little wet when he is excited. He needs to cut the trash-talking and let his big hits do the talking.

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OK, go to the bathroom and spit into the sink. Watch yourself in the mirror. What happens? Your head jerks forward for thrust. Now go watch the replay of the incident in slow motion - no forward thrust.

I personally don't think Sean hawked a loogie on Pittman, and I've been a big critic of Taylor in the past in terms of "thuglike" decisions. I think this may be a case of "yelling" spit - like the guy next to me in the sports bar.

That said, if Taylor DID spit, that is really stupid and he deserves what's coming, but I think it wasn't intentional. Really amazes me that Pittman didn't get a personal foul for striking a player in the head - in front of the ref. Is there some rule in the NFL that if the ref. catches the first guy committing a foul, the other guy can retaliate unpunished?

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[QUOTE=irish]Will he be doing that or sitting in the locker room midway through the 1st quarter because a seabag goaded him into another stupid penalty? Its a fact the seabags will try to get ST to make another bonehead move like he did in TB, hopefully ST can play a little smarter this week.[/QUOTE]GW will be on his ass all week. When was the last time a player was kicked out two games in a row? Probably never.

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[QUOTE=Ade Jimoh Fan Club]Is there some rule in the NFL that if the ref. catches the first guy committing a foul, the other guy can retaliate unpunished?[/QUOTE]

Only if the guy you're hitting is wearing Burgundy and Gold.

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Like many who posted ... I DO NOT Think TAYLOR hocked a loogie ... the slap by PITTMAN should have resulted in a game foul .... the fact the SLAP went unpunished was amazing

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[QUOTE=tomahawk134]Like many who posted ... I DO NOT Think TAYLOR hocked a loogie ... the slap by PITTMAN should have resulted in a game foul .... the fact the SLAP went unpunished was amazing[/QUOTE]


IF ANYTHING, I actually give a little credit to Sean Taylor for NOT retaliating at all after the bitch slap. He very easily could have gone after him...

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[QUOTE=tomahawk134]Like many who posted ... I DO NOT Think TAYLOR hocked a loogie ... the slap by PITTMAN should have resulted in a game foul .... the fact the SLAP went unpunished was amazing[/QUOTE]


Hah - Taylor the coolheaded!

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i cant believe that people are defending Taylor. He is innocent until proven guilty, however he didn't even put up much of an arguement when they booted his ass from the game. If he did spit, then he should be kicked out, if he didn't then the ref cant go on what he thought he saw. I didn't see anything on the replay that would suggest he spit on Pittman, but he has been accused of spitting on people in the past. Spitting on someone is the most classless thing a person can do, and w/ taylors past coming into play everytime he does something, he should learn how to better control himself.

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Just saw S.Springs on Cold Pizza and he said he will play in Seattle and said he believe that Taylor didn't do what Pittman said he did! That is good enough for me! I also read on another site that Pittman called Taylor a few words that I can't say here! All I know I would not wanted to be Seattle when he lins up this weekend!!! HIT HIT HIT!!!!

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Its not because Pittman said ST spit on him that ST was tossed, it was because the ref saw ST spit that ST was tossed and Pittman's retaliation was not punished. The skins are lucky he's not out for this weeks game.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Well, they always get the guy who hits first or in this case, spits first.

No excuses for ST, spitting in guy's face is dispicable.[/QUOTE]

Why? I'd say throwing a punch is worse. Does more damage.

Yeah it was stupid of ST to do that, but it should have been OFF-SETTING penalties.