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[quote=paulskinsfan;255013]No, sorry for the confusion. The other guy said it would be pointless to fire the HC and leave the coordinators. I responded by asking this question, because if you get rid of the HC you almost always clean house, unless you hire one of the coordinators as the new HC.[/quote]
Answer my first question about who our next head coach should be if we fire Gibbs.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;255008]By the way, when was the last time a head coach was fired in the NFL and both defensive and offensive coordinators stuck around? Never. Firing the Coach cleans house generally.[/QUOTE]

But you said it's all Joe Gibbs fault, you never said it was anyone else's fault but Joe's. So Either you are quite happy with our coordinator's or not. If not, then it isn't all Joe Gibbs fault. Again, you never answered my question. Are you ready to give Joe Gibbs all the credit for taking this team to the playoffs and advancing in the playoffs last year -- in only his second year back? If you're not, then your whole argument is skewed.

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[quote=steveo395;254993]Well since you have all the answers Paulskinsfan, who should we hire as coach next year? Whoever it is, I doubt he will be better than Joe Gibbs and the rest of this staff. Gibbs knows what he's doing. He'll get this turned around next year.[/quote]


And if not next year, then the next. Then, if its not better we should give him another year, after all he is Joe Gibbs.

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Id hire Russ Grimm and go after the Patriots GM.

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[quote=skinsguy;255020]But you said it's all Joe Gibbs fault, you never said it was anyone else's fault but Joe's. So Either you are quite happy with our coordinator's or not. If not, then it isn't all Joe Gibbs fault. Again, you never answered my question. Are you ready to give Joe Gibbs all the credit for taking this team to the playoffs and advancing in the playoffs last year -- in only his second year back? If you're not, then your whole argument is skewed.[/quote]


Sure, Joe Gibbs took the team to the playoffs he gets the credit. He also gets the credi or the criticism for all of the personnel, clock management and play calling under his watch because its HIS WATCH! He is ultimately responsible.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;255024]Id hire Russ Grimm and go after the Patriots GM.[/QUOTE]

And after two years you'd hire someone else, and after two years of that coach you'd hire someone else. This is a losing pattern and the mentality of how this franchise has been going through for the past several years...which is what we're trying to GET AWAY FROM.

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ITs been 3 years, we've lost the future with our draft picks and we have spent more than any other team in free agency, YES Id say its time to clean house!

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Most of us don't get 3 years to get our job done right. Denny Green?

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[quote=paulskinsfan;255024]Id hire Russ Grimm and go after the Patriots GM.[/quote]
We're not going to be able to get the Patriots GM. Would Russ Grimm even want to come back to Washington after Dan Snyder got rid of him as the o-line coach in 2000 and after he fired Gibbs?

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I agree with a lot that your saying Paulskinsfan, and congrats on ripping up skinsguy, ncskinfanec, hesscl34, and bedlamvr. Paul wins 4-0.

but seriously he's right and I don't understand why a lot of you are giving him a hard time. He's defending his argument and has made some very good points. All the counter-arguments seem to be coming from people who either don't know anything about football, or are afraid to face the facts.

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Well I definitely would like to see Ol' Grimm get a shot at the Skins HC job...after 2008. Gibbs stays until his contract expires. A fool would think otherwise. It is possible he may step down if his health takes a drastic turn for the worst but I think that's about the only reason a proven winner would ever consider stepping down. Danny's not going to fire him (this year). It'll be hard not to if next year winds up like this one.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;255030]ITs been 3 years, we've lost the future with our draft picks and we have spent more than any other team in free agency, YES Id say its time to clean house![/QUOTE]

And I disagree. You don't clean house after one year removed from making the playoffs and advancing....

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[quote=paulskinsfan;255030]ITs been 3 years, we've lost the future with our draft picks and we have spent more than any other team in free agency, YES Id say its time to clean house![/quote] Gibbs has a lifetime pass in WAS. Skins went to the playoffs last year. Biggest change Saunders came on. Drop Saunders problem fixed.

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While i don't think Gibbs needs to be fired or leave after this season i'm beginning to doubt this coaching staff greatly. Next year is going to be very telling as to the direction of this franchise. There is no bigger fan of JG's out there than me, but you've got to question alot of the things that this franchise does. Some on this board think that no one should even question Joe Gibbs and the coaching staff. No doubt about it JG's is the president and all decisions come thru him, so he deserves alot of the blame.

Two things come to mind...

The signing of Brunell (an aging benched quarterback). Sorry to start this again but had we had a capable above average qb last year, we may have gone all the way.

Personell and our player free agent philosophy. I don't really get it. We bring in lloyd and ARE and we are a running smashmouth team. Or did we just waste alot of $ and picks to have decoys. Either we are or we're not. How about balance. Seems like we sign guys we don't use...Not going to get started on the d...

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[QUOTE=soccercycbk;255033] He's defending his argument and has made some very good points. All the counter-arguments seem to be coming from people who either don't know anything about football, or are afraid to face the facts.[/QUOTE]

What good points? I've seen none. And we don't know football don't know the facts?? Please, you just haven't read our counter-arguments.

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[quote=skinsguy;255041]What good points? I've seen none. And we don't know football don't know the facts?? Please, you just haven't read our counter-arguments.[/quote]


What counter arguments? You guys have none! No one can defend Gibbs modern day record, you just resort to "you couldn't do better" or its "not Gibbs' fault its the players" or the ever popular, its " not Gibbs its the coordinators." No counter arguments worth a crap.

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[QUOTE=paulskinsfan;255048]What counter arguments? You guys have none! No one can defend Gibbs modern day record, you just resort to "you couldn't do better" or its "not Gibbs' fault its the players" or the ever popular, its " not Gibbs its the coordinators." No counter arguments worth a crap.[/QUOTE]

Hahahaha..yet you're I'm blaming Joe Gibbs for having too much corn in your poop arugment is strong? Riiiigghhhhht. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

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[quote=soccercycbk;255033]I agree with a lot that your saying Paulskinsfan, and congrats on ripping up skinsguy, ncskinfanec, hesscl34, and bedlamvr. Paul wins 4-0.

but seriously he's right and I don't understand why a lot of you are giving him a hard time. He's defending his argument and has made some very good points. All the counter-arguments seem to be coming from people who either don't know anything about football, or are afraid to face the facts.[/quote]

He's right?

On what?

That Gibbs needs to go? He can have his opinion, whether it's right or not is what's up for debate.

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I need help I can't find the link for the suicide hotline.

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[quote=paulskinsfan;255048]What counter arguments? You guys have none! No one can defend Gibbs modern day record, you just resort to "you couldn't do better" or its "not Gibbs' fault its the players" or the ever popular, its " not Gibbs its the coordinators." No counter arguments worth a crap.[/quote]

Dude, give it up. I see your point as I've posted...not to simply to agree with you for the sake of agreeing or to cause strife, but the facts and the current state of the team lay at Gibbs' feet.

Should we go and get a new coach or new GM, I don't know. What I do know is, Joe Gibbs has done a very average job since coming here. I think there is no question his past has gotten him a free pass here.

I guess we'll have to see what year four brings.

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I think we NEED both Gibbs and Saunders back next year for any chance of success. They are smart, humble people who will get this thing worked out.

Gregg Williams, on the contrary, needs to show two things (if he deserves to be back next season):

1. He hasn't lost the unit.
2. He can produce results with the players HE brought in.

This can be shown through significant improvement the next 4 weeks. If they finish ranked 28 or below...we really are better off firing him and gutting the thing. We can not afford to suffer through another rough defensive year in 07, and be forced to makes cut in 08, we need to make the cuts THIS offseason if we are not going to compete for a title next year.

Gregg Williams should be under the microscope...show me you can help us win next year!

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Nice post, GTripp!

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[QUOTE=steveo395;255032]We're not going to be able to get the Patriots GM. Would Russ Grimm even want to come back to Washington after Dan Snyder got rid of him as the o-line coach in 2000 and after he fired Gibbs?[/QUOTE]

I think it was a Marty call to get rid of Grimm. Snyder should have stepped in, and my understanding is he wanted to, but he was trying to show everyone that he was true to his word and would be totally hands off.

I don't see any shot of getting the Pats GM either. Interestingly enough, the Pats GM lets guys go all the time. Even guys who can still play at a very high level, but last I checked they still have Tom Brady. And, quite frankly, that's all they need (apologies to Stephen A. Smith)

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If I remember right, paulskinsfan said before last year that he was through with this team. No more false hopes, 8-8 at best. Then we made the playoffs and paulskinsfan said.....

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I also said I didn't care if we won another game after beating Dallas in the Ring of Horror game. What's you point? Year 3 means results, and Gibbs hasn't had them.,

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Well we did make the playoffs last year. And hopefully, we have our QB for the next several years. And several other stud young players (providing we re-sign them).

Look, I'm not happy with the season. But I don't think cleaning house is the answer.

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[quote=paulskinsfan;255080]Year 3 means results, and Gibbs hasn't had them.,[/quote]That's assumes:

1. By the end of year 3, one has yet to produce any sort of result.
2. It doesn't appear that said coach is on the verge of progressing.

We had results in year two and blaming that on dumb luck is no different than blaming everything thats gone wrong this year on dumb luck (a lot is actually luck based).

I tell ya, I like where this offense is headed in the future under Gibbs/Saunders.

There, its settled.

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[quote=paulskinsfan;255080]I also said I didn't care if we won another game after beating Dallas in the Ring of Horror game. What's you point? Year 3 means results, and Gibbs hasn't had them.,[/quote] He had results Last year. Media pressure and Threads made him change the offense to this trash

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Skinsguy, i've read everythign youve typed. you say it's not Gibbs' fault for play calling and clock management because that's Saunders job...but were they good they good the last 2 years...and whose decision was it to bring in AL? And you say the play calling today was exactly how you would've called it... Let's see, off the top of my head..3rd and 2 in 4th Q, it is obvious we are going to go for it on 4th if we dont get the first, but we go with 2 passing plays, and turn the ball over on downs. With the way the running game was going your telling me you wouldve done the exact same thing?? Please. The final drive..1st and goal. 1st, 2nd, and 3rd downs were complete BS. You wouldve spiked the ball too? You wouldn't have run with TJ?? And no he's not blaming the defense because that's not the point he's trying to make, and do i really need to back up the D? it has been top ten the last 2 years, and it is the reason this team has won most of the games it has under Gibbs. Gibbs does have control of bringin in/letting go players on Defense, and in my opinion, the poor play of the defense is mainly due to the players we have on it.

Matty, r u serious? You don't think he made one good point?

Let me rewrite the original post.

Im a Skins fan of over 20 years. Im sick and tired of the poor clock management, poor play calling at the end of the game, and poor personnell decisions. All of these are the responsibility of Joe Gibbs. Thus, reluctantly, I am now of the opinion that he must step down. The play calling and clock management have been atrocious for 3 years now. Good Bye Joe

Paul is absolutely right. We have had poor clock management, poor play calling, and poor personell decisions while Gibbs has been here. Whose fault is that other than Gibbs? That's the point he's trying to make and a lot of you are just denying the fact of the matter.

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My only griping with the coaching is that we have so freakin' many of them!

Why do we need so many? Too many cooks in the kitchen if you ask me. We may need to trim some of that fat in the offseason. Get some assistants that the players respond to better, maybe. And I don't mean GW or Al.

No offense, but I think getting rid of Gibbs is one the most stupid things I've heard. We've got him for two more years and I'm glad he is going to ride it out. I don't want to rebuild this team, so we can be shitty for another three years.

To all you JG haters out there, I'm just as disappointed as you about how things have turned out. We'll bounce back...

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[quote=Hog's Breath;255104]My only griping with the coaching is that we have so freakin' many of them!

Why do we need so many? Too many cooks in the kitchen if you ask me. We may need to trim some of that fat in the offseason. Get some assistants that the players respond to better, maybe. And I don't mean GW or Al.

No offense, but I think getting rid of Gibbs is one the most stupid things I've heard. We've got him for two more years and I'm glad he is going to ride it out. I don't want to rebuild this team, so we can be shitty for another three years.

To all you JG haters out there, I'm just as disappointed as you about how things have turned out. We'll bounce back...[/quote]


I just don't think what we have is anywhere near worth the investment we have made. Too much money and wasted draft picks. Either clean house, or bring in a GM who has the say over Gibbs.

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I have to laugh when I read posts like these. People piss and moan about the team not having chemistry or continuity, but the minute we start struggling, we should gut the team and fire the coach.

We've had to deal with a lot of issues this season. New offense, new QB, injuries and I don't even know what to say about our defense at this point. Sorry, but it is going to take some time to get some consistancy going with this team (although consistancy has never been one of our strong suits). If we truly want to see this team improve, the last thing we need right now is to start from scratch.

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Here's Redskins fans in a nutshell.

Win = playoff talk.

Loss = fire the coaches and cut the players.

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Yupp I really wonder if all teams have ridiculous fans like we do.

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[quote=hooskins;255159]Yupp I really wonder if all teams have ridiculous fans like we do.[/quote]

I think they do for the most part.

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Is paulskinsfan done yet?

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[QUOTE=Citizens for 81;255165]Is paulskinsfan done yet?[/QUOTE]

Rule #78 of TheWarpath.net: Whenever someone says they're done, it usually means they're just getting started

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[quote=TAFKAS;255174]Rule #78 of TheWarpath.net: Whenever someone says they're done, it usually means they're just getting started[/quote]

True words of wisdom.

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Well Im done arguing about it. Joe Gibbs has done nothing to justify him coming back for a 4th season. His personnel decisions are crap, his play calling is crap, and his clock management is that of a monkey. Im done. If you all wanna defend him go ahead, but if he weren't the great Gibbs you'd be calling for his head. Its easy to go along with the mob, Im just pointing out the obvious, the modern Gibbs era has been a huge disappointment, and there is no hope in the upcoming draft. Im done until change comes either in the form of a new coach or GM.

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[quote=paulskinsfan;255183]Well Im done arguing about it. Joe Gibbs has done nothing to justify him coming back for a 4th season. His personnel decisions are crap, his play calling is crap, and his clock management is that of a monkey. Im done. If you all wanna defend him go ahead, but he weren't the great Gibbs you'd be calling for his head. Its easy to go along with the mob, Im just pointing out the obvious, the modern Gibbs era has been a huge disappointment, and there is no hope in the upcoming draft. Im done until change comes either in the form of a new coach or GM.[/quote]

Done with what?

Posting?

Being a fan?

So if we go back to the playoffs next year will you still be "done" with whatever you're done with?