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[QUOTE=djnemo65;325884]How is making a profitable film not free-enterprise? That's why I never understood the complaint that Michael Moore makes money off his films. If free enterprise is the most perfect system and a film maker is succesful within that system, what's the problem?[/QUOTE]

But what you're missing is we're all bitching about the gas companies. Moore has every right to make those films, I'm not suggesting that he doesn't have the right, but when he makes those statements, he should back them up with his participation. That's like someone standing up and saying to give money to save the planet, but doesn't do it himself. In other words, hypocracy.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;325890]But what you're missing is we're all bitching about the gas companies. Moore has every right to make those films, I'm not suggesting that he doesn't have the right, but when he makes those statements, he should back them up with his participation. That's like someone standing up and saying to give money to save the planet, but doesn't do it himself. In other words, hypocracy.[/QUOTE]

I'm not following you here....

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;325893]I'm not following you here....[/QUOTE]
How did I lose you?
Basically, we bitch just as much at moore as you do at the oil companies...the difference is we bitch about the oil companies and you won't bitch at Moore.
also, for some reason you keep associating the oil companies profit with the government when it's OUR fault for requiring such a large amount, and more and more each year.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;325898]How did I lose you?
Basically, we bitch just as much at moore as you do at the oil companies...the difference is we bitch about the oil companies and you won't bitch at Moore.
also, for some reason you keep associating the oil companies profit with the government when it's OUR fault for requiring such a large amount, and more and more each year.[/QUOTE]

First of all, when did I ever mention the oil companies? My point, quite simple I thought, was that it doesn't make sense to criticize Moore for making a profit. If you wish to launch a substantive criticism against his oeuvre feel free to do so - there are legitimate criticisms to be made - but leave his money out of it.

The debate about oil companies is one I am going to respectfully decline to be drawn into at this point, given that my lunch is about to be served.

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[QUOTE=djnemo65;325909]First of all, when did I ever mention the oil companies? My point, quite simple I thought, was that it doesn't make sense to criticize Moore for making a profit. If you wish to launch a substantive criticism against his oeuvre feel free to do so - there are legitimate criticisms to be made - but leave his money out of it.

The debate about oil companies is one I am going to respectfully decline to be drawn into at this point, given that my lunch is about to be served.[/QUOTE]

Well, it came from this quote of yours:
[quote]i love it how republicans spew the hatred towards Moore for making movies strictly for the money. but yet the oil companies gouge us everyday, and its their right to maintain as big of a profit as they seem.[/quote]
Moore is a piece of shit hypocrit! If he did it with honest intentions, then most of us wouldn't have a problem with him.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;325916]Well, it came from this quote of yours:

Moore is a piece of shit hypocrit! If he did it with honest intentions, then most of us wouldn't have a problem with him.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you on Moore (for the most part), but get your facts straight with the quotes.

You quoted dmek25, not djnemo

[url]http://www.redskinswarpath.com/325850-post118.html[/url]

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;325919]I agree with you on Moore (for the most part), but get your facts straight with the quotes.

You quoted dmek25, not djnemo

[url]http://www.redskinswarpath.com/325850-post118.html[/url][/QUOTE]


OOOOOOH, my bad. Sorry guys.

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that was me:) and it just reeks when a Texas oil man, that resides in the white house, governs over the highest oil prices in this nations history. i just say when i see a spade, i call it a spade. the last time i checked, Michael Moore is still in the private sect

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[quote=jsarno;325916]
Moore is a piece of shit hypocrit! If he did it with honest intentions, then most of us wouldn't have a problem with him.[/quote]
and how the hell do you know what his intentions are? just because someone makes money when doing something, doesnt mean they arent trying to do the right thing

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alright so back to the topic, does anyone else feel that it's a huge conflict of interest when you mix health care with private industry?

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For the people who think that the goverment should run health care please name one program that the goverment has that cost have not sky rocketed. Do we need some reform? Yes, but the federal goverment will only add to the problem. They have allready caused the price of health ins. to sky rocket by all the mandates they have required the heath ins. co. to provide under their policies. Drug addiction is one of the mandates and why should I be forced to buy this coverage if I do not use drugs?

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[QUOTE=dmek25;326102]and how the hell do you know what his intentions are? just because someone makes money when doing something, doesnt mean they arent trying to do the right thing[/QUOTE]

Bacause he has done nothing to help the situation, nor would he donate his money to help the situation. He has already shown this to be true with other issues.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;326131]alright so back to the topic, does anyone else feel that it's a huge conflict of interest when you mix health care with private industry?[/QUOTE]

How is it a conflict of interest when health care already is a private industry? I guess I don't see health care as a right...you are asking someone that is highly trained to help you. Just like you ask a mechanic to fix your car.

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i feel moore does a good job opening discussion and i feel discussion is one of the most important things. I don't care which way things go. As long as the american people want it. That is what a democracy is all about. I don't care for moore. He does a great job but moore the person means nothing to me.

While yes, most people have health insurance, and many of those that don't choose not to have it,doesn't mean everyone is comfortable. I would like to look into the issue a lot more. Now some of the things in the movie are extremely disturbing. Some say that if your plan doesn't cover a treatment you shouldn't have your claim accepted if you apply for it. However, moore shows people having their claims denied for 'lying' on their application for insurance. Now some lies, i am sure are legitamely people lying, however moore shows people being denied for minor cases that they did not report. Things that have no bearing on their future health.

Moreover, what is important is the intent behind that. It seems like insurance companies don't look into the paper work UNTIL there is a health related issue. They have no problem taking your money until its their time to pay up. Also it is messed up that those hired to decide whether a claim is accepted get bonuses for denying you treatment. This is ludacris. This is people's health. It doesn't make sense to have a profit making industry behind this. Its not like the police and fire depts. are deciding who to help and not help. This is a basic function of life(actually it is life) and it should be protected by a governing body.

Now I felt these were compelling issues that were brought up. The evidence of people testifying in court and the testomony shown by those in the industry seem to support it. Now we all know that Moore techniques have been called into question many times so i'll want to discuss and research this a lot more before i vote.

However, i know universal healthcare would benefit me personally. My parents don't make much money. Their jobs don't give them benefits. I have healthcare but not dental. I am telling you, i've had this f...ing chipped tooth in the back of my mouth that hurts like a mother f...er. I wouldn't tell my parents because they'd insist that i have it checked but without dental i really don't want to have to pay the money it would cost. I haven't seen a dentist in 5-6 years.

They feel that healthcare is so important that they would never cancel it. However it is draining 1200 a month from us and that is a HUGE amount of money for us to spend per month. We get a lot of help from our family and our extended family is EXTREMELY close to us. My cousins are no different than my sister. I am to my uncle as his son is to him, i honestly believe that. 1200 a month would be fantastic when it comes to my college costs. I didn't get as much financial aid as i would have hoped for this year. That has made me even think about many options like sitting out a year and saving up. However, my extended family is helping me with loans and I am taking out a few on the side. I will owe quite a bit when i get out but that is ok. I say all this just to say, while most people have healthcare, many cannot really afford it. I would love 1200 more a month. Not that all of it would go to college costs but it would help out so much. I feel that healthcare is a basic utility that should be provided to all people and it shouldn't be an expense that they weigh decisions over.

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[quote=firstdown;326142]Drug addiction is one of the mandates and why should I be forced to buy this coverage if I do not use drugs?[/quote] I think it is a basic thing about society, people help people. If someone is introuble you can't turn your backs on them. It is completely understandable that people don't want to pay for other people's problems but who knows what can happen tomorrow? You could be the one in need of help. I've just always grown up under the understanding that if you can, you help those in need.

However, not everyone is going to agree on that and that is ok. That is what makes voting great. I hope that people's opinions on this issue are really expressed in the next election. That is why we should be happy that moore made this movie because it encourages people to make up their minds. Now it is true that many people will watch his movie and believe what he says regardless but i would hope that the american people study an issue before they vote for those who are for and against it.

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[quote=jsarno;326283]How is it a conflict of interest when health care already is a private industry? I guess I don't see health care as a right...you are asking someone that is highly trained to help you. Just like you ask a mechanic to fix your car.[/quote]

Jeez I'd like to think human life is a little more valuable than a car.

I believe everyone should be entitled to health care. I don't know where we got lost along the way, but the basics of helping your fellow man and caring for those less fortunate somehow got twisted into being things that have a price on them. I think that's sad... and when doctors have to make decisions based on financial considerations, I think that's where the conflict of interest comes into play.

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I will have to do more looking into it but i would like the government to provide a healthcare plan and the people have the option to switch to private, either by their employer or self. Now I would feel a tax break would be in line for those on private healthcare but it is a luxury so it shouldn't be substancial. I would like this form to be implemented in the next 5-9 years. I really need to look at the plans of barack and hilary to decide which one makes more sense. I know hilary is saying she'll have it done by 2016 and obama is saying 2012. Kucinich is one person all for complete universal healthcare only but he has no chance at this election. I would like to see a private and universal healthcare system first and see how it works and possibily transition to a non-privatized industry.

All this saying, there should be more govt regulation over the private healthcare systems regardless.

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[quote=Mattyk72;326298]Jeez I'd like to think human life is a little more valuable than a car.

I believe everyone should be entitled to health care. I don't know where we got lost along the way, but the basics of helping your fellow man and caring for those less fortunate somehow got twisted into being things that have a price on them. I think that's sad... and when doctors have to make decisions based on financial considerations, I think that's where the conflict of interest comes into play.[/quote]
Agreed. Now again, i don't know how much moore was twisting but everywhere he went financial considerations were not taken. The british doctor said he would hate his job if he had to take that consideration. Doesn't it just sound like a better society? People being able to be treated for their health related problems without having to worry about money. If the government is to regulate anything it is our safety, education of our future, and our health. Really what is more important?

And again our safety can be privatized as well as our education so i have no problem allowing people to have private healthcare, so long as those that cannot afford it have a healthcare system that will take care of them when they need it.

Why do we need a middleman. Treatment shouldn't be from the doctor to the insurance company then to the patient. Insurance companies shouldn't have to decide. Your treatment should be choosen by you and your doctor. Whats best for you and your health. I don't understand why we are the only country in the top 25 industrialized countries that doesn't have universal healthcare. I can't say we are right and everyone is wrong. As moore says, we need to take something from each healthcare system around the world that works. We don't need to copy a whole system but take what each country does best and put it together. Make it the american system.

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[quote=jsarno;326281]Bacause he has done nothing to help the situation, nor would he donate his money to help the situation. He has already shown this to be true with other issues.[/quote]

He's helped to bring this critical issue back to the front burner.

And he gives significant portions of the revenue from these movies to the appropriate charities.

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[quote=BigSKINBauer;326301]Agreed. Now again, i don't know how much moore was twisting but everywhere he went financial considerations were not taken. The british doctor said he would hate his job if he had to take that consideration. [B]Doesn't it just sound like a better society. People being able to be treated for their health related problems without having to worry about money?[/B] If the government is to regulate anything it is our safety, education of our future, and our health. Really what is more important?[/quote]

I know this point may have been oversimplified in the movie but yeah, how much better of a society could we be if people didn't have the stresses of the costs involved with health care?

If you are sick you should be able to seek treatment without having to worry about what it's going to cost you. The stories in the movie of the old guy working at the supermarket just for benefits for him and his wife, and the man and woman who had to sell their house and move in with their daughter due to all the debt they had from health costs really just breaks your heart.

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With the way we're spending money and mortgaging the future the question we should ask ourselves is not should we have a national healthcare but rather [URL="http://www.forbes.com/facesinthenews/2006/11/05/walker-gao-concord-face-cx_rs_1103autofacescan04.html"]can we afford[/URL] to have a national healthcare program.

Head of U.S. Government Accountability Office:

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[quote=Mattyk72;326298]Jeez I'd like to think human life is a little more valuable than a car.

I believe everyone should be entitled to health care. I don't know where we got lost along the way, but the basics of helping your fellow man and caring for those less fortunate somehow got twisted into being things that have a price on them. I think that's sad... and when doctors have to make decisions based on financial considerations, I think that's where the conflict of interest comes into play.[/quote]

Can we not put doctor's up on these huge pedestals please. To me, they are the reason that health care costs have gone through the roof. They have allowed the drug companies to compromise their interests for years now, but nobody wants to call them out. Go to a used bookstore, get a copy of the P.D.R. (physicians desk reference) and you will have enough info to do what 95% of these doctors do all day everyday: prescribe drugs. I haven't been to one since 1992 and I am fit as a fiddle. Eat healthy and exercise, stay away drom doctors, and then we can help out the people who really need treatment for the cancer and such. If something costs too much, don't buy it unless you absolutely have to. Look at anti-biotics. These doctors have caused dangerous new strains of germs to emerge because they have given out anti-biotics like candy since the 1950s. I blame the doctors first and foremost. If they deserved the reputations they seem to have with people, they would have put a stop to this a long time ago. I guess they couldn't find the answer in the P.D.R. so they were stumped. Doctors blow.

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[quote=saden1;326315]With the way we're spending money and mortgaging the future the question we should ask ourselves is not should we have a national healthcare but rather [URL="http://www.forbes.com/facesinthenews/2006/11/05/walker-gao-concord-face-cx_rs_1103autofacescan04.html"]can we afford[/URL] to have a national healthcare program.

Head of U.S. Government Accountability Office:

[/quote]

Man, that sucks. But I still feel that the most basic of services is not being provided. Even if this is not a possibility today I still want the wheels to start turning. This has to be done in the next 20 years. All countries can do it, why can't the greatest country in the world do it?

That guy beats around the bush to much too. I like how he clearly is against medicaid and Social Security but refers to them as "tough decisions". I also like how the war ONLY takes up 100 Billion a year.

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[quote=70Chip;326325]Can we not put doctor's up on these huge pedestals please. To me, they are the reason that health care costs have gone through the roof. They have allowed the drug companies to compromise their interests for years now, but nobody wants to call them out. Go to a used bookstore, get a copy of the P.D.R. (physicians desk reference) and you will have enough info to do what 95% of these doctors do all day everyday: prescribe drugs. I haven't been to one since 1992 and I am fit as a fiddle. Eat healthy and exercise, stay away drom doctors, and then we can help out the people who really need treatment for the cancer and such. If something costs too much, don't buy it unless you absolutely have to. Look at anti-biotics. These doctors have caused dangerous new strains of germs to emerge because they have given out anti-biotics like candy since the 1950s. I blame the doctors first and foremost. If they deserved the reputations they seem to have with people, they would have put a stop to this a long time ago. I guess they couldn't find the answer in the P.D.R. so they were stumped. Doctors blow.[/quote] Very true. Greed is a horrible thing in a society. However, this is reason for more regulation

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;326298]Jeez I'd like to think human life is a little more valuable than a car.[/quote]

I think you missed my point here. Point is, you are wanting to FORCE doctors that worked damn hard to get where they are to give you free health care. That's not right.
What do you do Matty? Imagine someone saying that you now are owned by the government and you need to do what they say.
Doctors don't go through many years of intense training and hundreds of thousands of dollars in education to be owned by the government.

[quote]I believe everyone should be entitled to health care. I don't know where we got lost along the way, but the basics of helping your fellow man and caring for those less fortunate somehow got twisted into being things that have a price on them. I think that's sad... and when doctors have to make decisions based on financial considerations, I think that's where the conflict of interest comes into play.[/QUOTE]

It's gone away cause there are SOOOOO many people willing to sit around and be lazy and take your money and my money. You are offered insurance at most places of employment...so why is it this is such a huge issue?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;326302]He's helped to bring this critical issue back to the front burner. [/quote]

I'd like to see food be cheaper since it's getting so expensive...I'd also like to see filtered water be cheaper...or free even since we need it DAILY to survive. We have too much polution in our water, so I see this as more of an issue. Since when should a small bottle of clean water cost $1 or more? You need 8 of those a day to survive. (probably less to "survive", but that is what is recommended) That would be $2920 a year in just water. Why is no one complaining about that? I have only had to go to the doctor 1 time in the past 8 years and it cost me a $30 co-pay.
Sure, I will admit, the health care costs are out of control...but a lot of it is yet again OUR FAULT! We are a sue happy country and the outrageous insurance rates make our rates higher. Maybe the government should step in and control water / food / insurance rates on houses and cars etc...hell, why not they step in and take over everything under the sun?
Beware of people that think the government should control everything. The less control the government has, the better.

[quote]And he gives significant portions of the revenue from these movies to the appropriate charities.[/QUOTE]

I am genuinely asking for a link here, cause it would help change my negative view of him as a money hungry asswipe that preys off of the unfortunate.

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[quote=jsarno;326378]I think you missed my point here. Point is, you are wanting to FORCE doctors that worked damn hard to get where they are to give you free health care. That's not right.
What do you do Matty? Imagine someone saying that you now are owned by the government and you need to do what they say.
Doctors don't go through many years of intense training and hundreds of thousands of dollars in education to be owned by the government.



It's gone away cause there are SOOOOO many people willing to sit around and be lazy and take your money and my money. You are offered insurance at most places of employment...so why is it this is such a huge issue?[/quote]

Very true but what about the children that are uninsured? I mean 10 million children go without it. What blame is that to them? This country is about the american dream and building your own way but the truth is the poor are so much more disadvantaged. I feel at the very least children under 18 deserve health care.

Also i don't know how it would work but if the employers have built in plans that they spend money on, maybe corporations should be taxed more and that tax would go toward a nationalized health care system. Or companies transfer their savings to their employees. I don't know if that would work but they are saving and they will be able to pay their employees more and the market would adjust. Hopefully with regulation(and yes, doctors not being paid 300,000- which may not be fair) the total price on the health care system will go down.

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[QUOTE=70Chip;326325]Can we not put doctor's up on these huge pedestals please. To me, they are the reason that health care costs have gone through the roof. They have allowed the drug companies to compromise their interests for years now, but nobody wants to call them out. Go to a used bookstore, get a copy of the P.D.R. (physicians desk reference) and you will have enough info to do what 95% of these doctors do all day everyday: prescribe drugs. I haven't been to one since 1992 and I am fit as a fiddle. Eat healthy and exercise, stay away drom doctors, and then we can help out the people who really need treatment for the cancer and such. If something costs too much, don't buy it unless you absolutely have to. Look at anti-biotics. These doctors have caused dangerous new strains of germs to emerge because they have given out anti-biotics like candy since the 1950s. I blame the doctors first and foremost. If they deserved the reputations they seem to have with people, they would have put a stop to this a long time ago. I guess they couldn't find the answer in the P.D.R. so they were stumped. Doctors blow.[/QUOTE]

Damn insulting both my mom and my dad in one fell swoop. Anyhow, my dad and I don't discuss his practice much but my understanding is that he's not better off because of rising health care costs. In fact, it's worse for him.

Is there a doctor in the house?

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[quote=jsarno;326380]I am genuinely asking for a link here, cause it would help change my negative view of him as a money hungry asswipe that preys off of the unfortunate.[/quote]

[URL="http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0702-07.htm"]http://money.cnn.com/2004/07/02/news/newsmakers/fahrenheit_charities/[/URL]

just one example

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;326385][URL="http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0702-07.htm"]http://money.cnn.com/2004/07/02/news/newsmakers/fahrenheit_charities/[/URL]

just one example[/QUOTE]

True, but it appears that the donation was done because it was part of the negotiation in which Disney "forced" them to donate that money. Of course, it's not like Disney did it for selfless reasons. They just didn't want the Weinsteins to profit off of the film

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[quote=jsarno;326378]I think you missed my point here. Point is, you are wanting to FORCE doctors that worked damn hard to get where they are to give you free health care. That's not right.
What do you do Matty? Imagine someone saying that you now are owned by the government and you need to do what they say.
Doctors don't go through many years of intense training and hundreds of thousands of dollars in education to be owned by the government.



It's gone away cause there are SOOOOO many people willing to sit around and be lazy and take your money and my money. You are offered insurance at most places of employment...so why is it this is such a huge issue?[/quote]

Doctors would still be paid under a universal system, just maybe not as much as they are now. I guess some might have to give up their summer homes or their 2nd or 3rd beemer, but I'm sure they could adjust to such peasant living.

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[QUOTE=BigSKINBauer;326382]Very true but what about the children that are uninsured? I mean 10 million children go without it. What blame is that to them? This country is about the american dream and building your own way but the truth is the poor are so much more disadvantaged. I feel at the very least children under 18 deserve health care. [/QUOTE]

That's called Medicaid.

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[quote=jsarno;326390]That's called Medicaid.[/quote]

And that's a good thing to you??

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;326389]Doctors would still be paid under a universal system, just maybe not as much as they are now. I guess some might have to give up their summer homes or their 2nd or 3rd beemer, but I'm sure they could adjust to such peasant living.[/QUOTE]

See, this is where I have a problem with this idea. Cause people assume cause Doctors (or any wealthy person) have money they should be ok to all of sudden be parted from their money. It's not right. They worked hard...harder than ANY of us here on this site. I busted my ass for an MBA in Finance, and I didn't even do a fraction of the work that Doctors do to get where they are. They deserve those 2nd or 3rd beamers, and the summer homes. They worked for it. I will never agree to taking money from hard working people. This is why I have fundamental issues with democrats.

So how about this...train the guys that are flipping your burgers right now to become doctors, then it will be OK to pay them subpar doctor salaries, and then all the people that "needed" health care that didn't have it can go to the ex burger flippers. That way you're not hurting current doctors, and your giving the little man a chance at making it big.
Just out of curiousity, how many of you want the ex burger flipper performing surgery on you?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;326394]And that's a good thing to you??[/QUOTE]

Is it not paid by me and you? Is it not free?
Medicaid is EXCELLENT for some poeple, and a lot of kids.

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[quote=jsarno;326396]See, this is where I have a problem with this idea. Cause people assume cause Doctors (or any wealthy person) have money they should be ok to all of sudden be parted from their money. It's not right. They worked hard...harder than ANY of us here on this site. I busted my ass for an MBA in Finance, and I didn't even do a fraction of the work that Doctors do to get where they are. They deserve those 2nd or 3rd beamers, and the summer homes. They worked for it. I will never agree to taking money from hard working people. This is why I have fundamental issues with democrats.

So how about this...train the guys that are flipping your burgers right now to become doctors, then it will be OK to pay them subpar doctor salaries, and then all the people that "needed" health care that didn't have it can go to the ex burger flippers. That way you're not hurting current doctors, and your giving the little man a chance at making it big.
Just out of curiousity, how many of you want the ex burger flipper performing surgery on you?[/quote]

So while someone "deserves" a summer home and 2-3 luxury cars, that means on the flipside somebody else "deserves" to be homeless and without health care?

Personally I don't think things need to be so lopsided. I would think one home and one luxury car would be enough. If these people need such excessive luxuries, what is their true motivation for even being a doctor??

What would a subpar doctor salary even be?

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[quote=jsarno;326399]Is it not paid by me and you? Is it not free?
Medicaid is EXCELLENT for some poeple, and a lot of kids.[/quote]

Medicaid has plenty of holes in it and needs reform, it's far from being "excellent"

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;326385][URL="http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0702-07.htm"]http://money.cnn.com/2004/07/02/news/newsmakers/fahrenheit_charities/[/URL]

just one example[/QUOTE]


But that shows the wienstein's contribution, not moore's. Moore still made his $$$$ with no contribution. (that I know of)
It was a good link though, thank you.

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[quote=jsarno;326408]But that shows the wienstein's contribution, not moore's. Moore still made his $$$$ with no contribution. (that I know of)
It was a good link though, thank you.[/quote]

This is pretty funny and was mentioned in the film

[url=http://bruisefalling.blogspot.com/2007/06/michael-moore-guardian-angel.html]Falling On A Bruise: Michael Moore: Guardian Angel[/url]

Re: Michael Moore's Latest Target: Your HMO
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;326403]So while someone "deserves" a summer home and 2-3 luxury cars, that means on the flipside somebody else "deserves" to be homeless and without health care?[/quote]

100% YES. In my scenario, that doctor worked his ass off, and being a doctor is freakin tough! Yes, he does deserve all the good things he gets.
On the flip side, the dumbass that isn't willing to work deserves to be homeless and without health care cause that's the lifestyle HE CHOSE!!! It is amazing to me that people want to give honest hardworking mans money away and give it to people that don't give a shit. That astounds me.

[quote]Personally I don't think things need to be so lopsided. I would think one home and one luxury car would be enough. [/quote]

It's 100% none of your business what they do with their HARD EARNED money.
This statement is not always true, but is more true more often than not:
Those that have money have worked harder and smarter than those that have not.

[quote]If these people need such excessive luxuries, what is their true motivation for even being a doctor??[/quote]

Who says they NEED it? They deserve it for hard work.
How about this, I think in order for your ideas to work, you need to work 10 more hours a week for free, and you have to donate every hour of vacation time to those "less fortunate" (as you put it). If you did that, there would be no need for the extra healthcare needed to cover everyone.

ps- not all doctors are abnormally wealthy...fyi.

[quote]What would a subpar doctor salary even be?[/QUOTE]

Well, in my scenario, I wouldn't go to the ex-burger flipper...but let's call it 40-50k.