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My observations from yesterday:

- How much harder is Atlanta kicking themselves for letting Schaub go?
- Are the Giants foreshadowing a bad season when they let an injured Eli start instead of the Hefty Lefty?
- Kellen Clemens will be a good QB in this league, and should be the starter by the end of the year. The kid has poise and a great arm. The only thing holding him back is Pennington's ability to rally the troops. If Clemens 1st start was against just about anyone other than the Ravens, he may have pulled that out.
- 96 points between the 2 Ohio teams, 2 Texas teams scored 71 points... On the flip side, 3 NY teams scored 29 points.
- Tennessee has Indy's number...perhaps it's time other teams got Bellichek's video guy?
- The Saints have plummeted back to earth, and will stay there.
- San Fran may just win the NFC West.
- Brady to Moss could very well be something we hear at least once a week all season...until Moss gets hurt or complains about not getting the ball in certain situations.
- The Ade will land on his feet...
- Pittsburgh's jerseys = hideous, Pittsburgh's play = Super Bowl bound. It's all about the big Mo...mentum, and if the Steelers can keep it up (hard to do over 16 games), they look virtually unstoppable.
- Despite the sucess yesterday, Derek Anderson will be holding a clipboard in a few weeks to allow the Golden Boy to play and get blown up.

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My first thoughts on the Dallas/Dolphins:

I was hoping the Fins D would stop the Boys O. I guess I was wrong. This makes me worry about our offense even more. Dallas carved up the Fins in the 2nd half. We could only score 13pts at home in regular time/16 in OT. AGGGGGGGGHHH...

I hate philly...I'm looking forward to game...except for Jaws drooling over McNabb for 3 hours.

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:goodjob:, even though I disagree with the steelers unis... i really liked the yellow helmets...


[quote=BDBohnzie;352435]My observations from yesterday:

- How much harder is Atlanta kicking themselves for letting Schaub go?
- Are the Giants foreshadowing a bad season when they let an injured Eli start instead of the Hefty Lefty?
- Kellen Clemens will be a good QB in this league, and should be the starter by the end of the year. The kid has poise and a great arm. The only thing holding him back is Pennington's ability to rally the troops. If Clemens 1st start was against just about anyone other than the Ravens, he may have pulled that out.
- 96 points between the 2 Ohio teams, 2 Texas teams scored 71 points... On the flip side, 3 NY teams scored 29 points.
- Tennessee has Indy's number...perhaps it's time other teams got Bellichek's video guy?
- The Saints have plummeted back to earth, and will stay there.
- San Fran may just win the NFC West.
- Brady to Moss could very well be something we hear at least once a week all season...until Moss gets hurt or complains about not getting the ball in certain situations.
- The Ade will land on his feet...
- Pittsburgh's jerseys = hideous, Pittsburgh's play = Super Bowl bound. It's all about the big Mo...mentum, and if the Steelers can keep it up (hard to do over 16 games), they look virtually unstoppable.
- Despite the sucess yesterday, Derek Anderson will be holding a clipboard in a few weeks to allow the Golden Boy to play and get blown up.[/quote]

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Ha, the Giants used 3 QBs.

Eli aggravated his injury, Doughboy came in and got hurt on his first series...we could be seeing Anthony Wright (1/6, 12 yards) at QB next week. :D

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Damn, even Lorenzen's elbows are fat!

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Lorenzen's throws looked good too, but I still don't buy everyone's claims that he's mobile. That's just ridiculous.

He hurt his ankle or something, he was hopping to the line like the Easter Bunny's fat brother Earl, then he took himself out of the game and Wright came in and looked horrible.

The Giants are a serious mess. They made the Packers look like the best team ever.

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[quote=redsk1;352459]My first thoughts on the Dallas/Dolphins:

I was hoping the Fins D would stop the Boys O. I guess I was wrong. This makes me worry about our offense even more. Dallas carved up the Fins in the 2nd half. We could only score 13pts at home in regular time/16 in OT. AGGGGGGGGHHH...

I hate philly...I'm looking forward to game...except for Jaws drooling over McNabb for 3 hours.[/quote]

We carved up the fins in the 2nd half too, wore em down & ran for 191 yards. Overall we had more total yds. vs. them than the boys did, though we had OT.

Dallas didn't dominate them, T. Green just gave them so many gifts. He played much better vs. us than the boys.
What surprises me to this point is how much Dallas D is giving up. I thought they would be really tough right out of the gate.

On the other hand, Romo & the O look really good.

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Mike Shanahan is bush league for what he did. I'm convinced all games in denver are fixed by the refs and the camera crews

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[QUOTE=canthetuna;352417]yeah tiki could've had a case if he'd hung around for a few more years and racked up some stats, but he shouldnt go. he wasnt elite by any means... [/quote]

If he hung around a little more, he definitely would make it in. Right now, he's 18th in all time rushing list. He was elite from 02-06 including being #1 in 04 and 05 in yards from scrimmage. He's 10th all time in yards from scrimmage. I think those numbers will get him in (albeit barely).

[quote]and the comparison to young is a little skewed... Young was a backup to a HOFer and when he got his shot he consistantly performed.[/quote]

I don't get your point here...I think you forget that Young started in Tampa for 2 years before going to San Fran...then it took him another 5 years before he took over there. While, of course, it's not identical, the comparison is pretty dead on. The fact is, for someone to say (basically) you need bust out of the gates in order to be a Hall of Famer is about as dumb as they come.

[quote]remember, when coughlin got the job he brought in Ron Dayne to have a competition with tiki... not because he wanted to motivate tiki, and not to be the number 2 back, but because they didn't believe tiki could be a featured back. Then, he takes the coach that made him into a pro bowler, retires early (announcing it in mid-season) publicly hanging him out to dry... and writes a book about how he was the reason coughlin had a job and if coughlin wasn't there he'd still be playing. another classy move by a giants player.[/quote]

Well, that's the personal Tiki, and I doubt it will be used against him as much as it will be used to show that Coughlin ran him out. Coughlin will be the scapegoat there. I do agree with you, it was classless...what do you expect from a person in New York? :D

[quote]If you can make a case for Tiki, you should go ahead and make a case for Lavar... he had 4 good years too.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, that doesn't float with me. Lavar (and mind you, I loved him) NEVER had 100 or more total tackles in a season. That's like saying a running back never got to 1000 yards. The only time Lavar ever ranked in the top ten in anything is ONE year when he had 11 sacks. (2002 if I recall)
Lavar never had 4 consecutive excellent seasons he had 3 good seasons (01-03). Tiki had 5 consecutive excellent seasons and 2 good seasons.

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[QUOTE=The Zimmermans;352571]Mike Shanahan is bush league for what he did. I'm convinced all games in denver are fixed by the refs and the camera crews[/QUOTE]

WHAT? If Gibbs did that we'd be hailing him as the best mastermind of all time. Shanahan told the ref before the play he was going to call a time out...he waited and waited, then called the TO BEFORE the ball was snapped. What is bush league about that? It was a great move by a coach and got them a win.

I think you meant to say all games in Foxboro, MA are fixed and the camera crews.

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I am sorry, but 4 consecutive excellent seasons out of 10 total seasons does not make you a HOF'er...

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[quote=The Zimmermans;352571]Mike Shanahan is bush league for what he did. I'm convinced all games in denver are fixed by the refs and the camera crews[/quote]

That was a great piece of coaching if you ask me. He called the timeout right be fore they snapped the ball. The kicker just choked.

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[QUOTE=Redskins8588;352584]I am sorry, but 4 consecutive excellent seasons out of 10 total seasons does not make you a HOF'er...[/QUOTE]

[b]5 excellent seasons[/b] and 2 good seasons out of 7 years of being the starter at RB very easily could be. RB's don't last forever, and for him to be 10th all time in yards from scrimmage in 7 good to excellent seasons speaks volumes.
Again, not saying he's a slam dunk, but I think he'll make it barely...especially considering he likely will not be up against anyone important.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;352585]The kicker just choked.[/QUOTE]

What else would you expect out of Janasuckski?!?!

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[QUOTE=12thMan;352585]That was a great piece of coaching if you ask me. He called the timeout right be fore they snapped the ball. The kicker just choked.[/QUOTE]

Exactly! Great move.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;352585]That was a great piece of coaching if you ask me. He called the timeout right before they snapped the ball. The kicker just choked.[/QUOTE]

I have no problem at all either with what Shanahan did. Maybe it wasn't nice, but-to paraphrase Randy Cross-you want nice, go watch a Care Bears Movie.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;352594][b]5 excellent seasons[/b] and 2 good seasons out of 7 years of being the starter at RB very easily could be. RB's don't last forever, and for him to be 10th all time in yards from scrimmage in 7 good to excellent seasons speaks volumes.
Again, not saying he's a slam dunk, but I think he'll make it barely...especially considering he likely will not be up against anyone important.[/QUOTE]

Whatever next your gonna try to make a case for Terrell Davis and then try to sell me ocean front property in Arizona...

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Concerning the roids win over the fins--they were given FIVE turnovers in that game, 4 in the second half. Easy to score that way. Sure, Romo to TO and Whitten looked good, but Miami was winning the game in the third quarter and then Trent Green forgot which team he was on.

I think the roids are pretty good this year, but don't read too much into that fins score.

(And doesn't Norv look just like Norv yet again this year? That look on his face... but no one looks like they can keep up with the Pats right now. Wow. The AFC championship is going to be good stuff--Indy or Pitt vs Pats, most likely. NFC looks like a mixed bag again. We should be right in it.)

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[quote]The fact is, for someone to say (basically) you need bust out of the gates in order to be a Hall of Famer is about as dumb as they come.
[/quote]

I never said that, I was simply saying the comparison between having half of your starting career be mediocre and the other half be great (yeah he got yards but didnt score alot of tds) and being on the bench behind a HOF qb, and then pulling out a HOF career yourself are two different things...



[QUOTE] Sorry, that doesn't float with me. Lavar (and mind you, I loved him) NEVER had 100 or more total tackles in a season. That's like saying a running back never got to 1000 yards. The only time Lavar ever ranked in the top ten in anything is ONE year when he had 11 sacks. (2002 if I recall)
Lavar never had 4 consecutive excellent seasons he had 3 good seasons (01-03). Tiki had 5 consecutive excellent seasons and 2 good seasons.[/QUOTE]

its all subjective... Im not at all making a case for Lavar, but if I were voting there's no way I say Tiki had a dynamic enough impact on the game to be deserving to be enshrined in the hall of fame... I can think of so many other players that greatly impact the game and tiki's rankings will be falling quickly enough as some of the younger stud running backs get older and knock him down the stat lists... by the time he's considered (not my any means a first ballot consideration) he'll be pretty far down the line...

55 rushing TDs in a 9 year career is far from stellar... and so is 53 fumbles...

Clinton Portis already has 53 rushing tds, and only 16 fumbles.

why dont we compare that to steve youngs 232 tds, and 107 ints...

(I don't need rhetoric on why their stats are different... I'm just illustrating a point...)

anyway, I appreciate the counterpoints... have a great day, and GO SKINS!!!!

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[quote=SmootSmack;352612]I have no problem at all either with what Shanahan did. Maybe it wasn't nice, but-to paraphrase Randy Cross-you want nice, go watch a Care Bears Movie.[/quote]

yeah i got no problem with the call of the timeout... but it did suck because I wanted the broncos to lose, and i can sympathize with the raiders... and I don't like shanahan,

but... it seemed like the refs didn't blow the whistle until after the ball was snapped, so if thats the case, its bs.

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[quote=jsarno;352583]WHAT? If Gibbs did that we'd be hailing him as the best mastermind of all time. Shanahan told the ref before the play he was going to call a time out...he waited and waited, then called the TO BEFORE the ball was snapped. What is bush league about that? It was a great move by a coach and got them a win.

I think you meant to say all games in Foxboro, MA are fixed and the camera crews.[/quote]

If it was done to us....everyone would be irrate. Don't you remember last time we went into denver and got jobbed call after call. Just watch those games in denver closely...it's unbelievable the things you will discover....and shanahan is a douche...he runs up the score and has thrown conservative football out the window...which has costed him several playoff victories. But he's a great offensive mind, I won't take that away from him.

Gibbs respects the game too much to make a kicker rekick the ball over and over. Freezing a kicker is one thing...but calling timeout right before he is forced to kick is another.

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[QUOTE=canthetuna;352625]I never said that, I was simply saying the comparison between having half of your starting career be mediocre and the other half be great (yeah he got yards but didnt score alot of tds) and being on the bench behind a HOF qb, and then pulling out a HOF career yourself are two different things...[/quote]

I never said you did...that's where the comparison came from, that's why I said it. I'm not arguing that it's two different things, just making the point that you can start out on the bench and still make the hall of fame. That was a stupid comparison, and that's why I made the analogy. You jumped into a conversation between me and someone else not understanding why I said what I said.

[quote]its all subjective... Im not at all making a case for Lavar, but if I were voting there's no way I say Tiki had a dynamic enough impact on the game to be deserving to be enshrined in the hall of fame... I can think of so many other players that greatly impact the game and tiki's rankings will be falling quickly enough as some of the younger stud running backs get older and knock him down the stat lists... by the time he's considered (not my any means a first ballot consideration) he'll be pretty far down the line...[/quote]

I'm not disagreeing with you. But who do you enshrine that retired last year? Slim pickins don't you think?

[quote]anyway, I appreciate the counterpoints... have a great day, and GO SKINS!!!![/QUOTE]

You too.

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[QUOTE=The Zimmermans;352639]If it was done to us....everyone would be irrate. Don't you remember last time we went into denver and got jobbed call after call. Just watch those games in denver closely...it's unbelievable the things you will discover....and shanahan is a douche...he runs up the score and has thrown conservative football out the window...which has costed him several playoff victories. But he's a great offensive mind, I won't take that away from him.

Gibbs respects the game too much to make a kicker rekick the ball over and over. Freezing a kicker is one thing...but calling timeout right before he is forced to kick is another.[/QUOTE]

I disagree...if it was done to us (and as long as the TO was called before the snap) there would be absolutely nothing to be upset about. I would be upset if Gibbs DIDN'T try something like that. That's just not trying. I applaud him.

About the Broncos getting calls, I don't know about that, and I find it hard to believe that any team would get phantom calls considering the officials change so often, but I'll take your word for it.