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[QUOTE=Dlyne8r;370562]It didn't [I]"worry"[/I] me. I was simply expressing my personal frustration over the fact that Gibbs had not shown more emotion over Belichick's classless display. I understand, and appreciate, Gibbs typical reaction to "rise above" someone like Belichick. But, I truly think the team would have found a new spark if Gibbs had reacted at least a little more aggresively.[/QUOTE]

Because Gibbs is too much of a classy guy to get into a childish shouting match on the 50 yard line. What would it prove? It has nothing to do with being a pussy and everything to do with having the maturity and class to not bicker on center stage.

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i really dont think i need to add anything except i do think they ran the score up on us and as someone once told me what goes around comes around. I was one of these that question the offensive play calling but honestly i am now starting to question the defensive play calling. But it is only one game and we need to put it behind us and get ready to play the Jets.

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[quote=irish;370568][B]I think the Pats gave the Skins a chance to keep points off the board and the Skins couldnt do it.[/B]

I am 100% certain that if the Skins were 8-0 and crushing opponents like NE is, nobody would have a problem with how they were winning. I know I wouldnt.[/quote]

LOL interesting way to look at it.

They were running it up, plain and simple. Same way they brought Brady back in to throw a late TD against the Dolphins.

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[quote=12thMan;370563]Why do we have to wait when were 40 points down to get Sean Taylor after Brady in the first place?[/quote]


I agree. I think we should have sent the house when we were down 24-0 at halftime. what is there to lose, another 24 points? I personally would have pressured him all day instead of letting him stand back there, eat his dinner, then throw to welker over the middle all day. But given how bad our asses were getting whipped, you would think he would have said "ok fellas, lets just go after him this second half, lets put Brady on his ass!"

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I'll tell u what, i'll be routing for peyton manning and the colts next sunday. I think peyton is a better QB anyway. He never had the benefit of a great defense when he was putting together the record season. Also he wasn't focused on breaking the record and running up the score. It seems to me that Brady and Belichek are trying to get Brady's numbers up in pursuit of that record. Manning actually slowed things down in the second half of the games during that season b/c he was all about winning. I know this because he was on my Fantasy team that year and i was getting pissed when they would run 3 times from the goal line and kick a FG.

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The only way they could have stoped running up the score is to start kneeling down on every play because if they ran the ball they moved the chains if they passed they moved the chains. I WHICH WE COULD GET ACCUSED OF RUNNING UP THE SCORE.

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[quote=firstdown;370580]The only way they could have stoped running up the score is to start kneeling down on every play because if they ran the ball they moved the chains if they passed they moved the chains. I WHICH WE COULD GET ACCUSED OF RUNNING UP THE SCORE.[/quote]

No, I can live with a team pounding the ball in that situation and still scoring. But lining up in the shotgun, and going for it on 4th down is running it up.

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[quote=mheisig;370567]The guy is an asswipe on and off the field. Cheats on his wife with a secretary, cheats in football by sending his minions to videotape defensive signals, shoves reporters and cameramen and treats anyone who asks him a question like a second class citizen who doesn't deserve his time , and when he's finally caught cheating by the NFL his response is to basically lash out at everyone else like it's THEIR fault he got caught. What a dick.

In my opinion, anyone defending this guy is just demonstrating their own lack of character.[/quote]

See this is more loser talk. Why do you care if he cheats on his wife? Every single one of my friends has cheated on his wife at some point. Does that mean I'm not going to be friends with them cause they get a piece of ass on the side every once in a while? I don't care and what they do is really not my business.

The guy is paid to win games. Not to be friendly with the media, or be nice to camera men, or make all the fans happy. Let me ask you this. Would you rather have a coach who is an a-hole who wins? Or would you rather have a coach who is nice and is loved by the media but can't win? Personally, I would would rather have the a-hole who wins.

The Pats are a better team/organization than us. But we were also outcoached yesterday. By a mile. So perhaps some of the fans should worry about why we can't score points, rather than cry about why the other coach is a bad guy, or why they ran it up on us.

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[QUOTE=12thMan;370564]Please tell what is so classless about Belichick's team kicking our ass yesterday?[/QUOTE]

Jeeze. I'm not going to repeat the multitude of reasons again. Just read all of the posts and maybe you'll get it...maybe.

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I know ESPN and SI and Sportsline have been hyping this game since well before this week, but I'm not sure it's possible to overstate the magnitude of next weeks Colts-Pats game.

These are the two best teams in the league, yes, but they may also be the two best teams of the decade. Incredible offense, incredible defense, and the intricate ST history between these teams.

Additionally, I have no idea who will win this game. You can't really look at point spreads because if Manning and the Colts wanted to run up the score, they easily could score as well as the Pats are.

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[quote=Mattyk72;370583]No, I can live with a team pounding the ball in that situation and still scoring. But lining up in the shotgun, and going for it on 4th down is running it up.[/quote]
Well there was a better chance of them getting 3 points then going for it on forth down.

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[quote=skinsfan69;370585]See this is more loser talk. Why do you care if he cheats on his wife? [B]Every single one of my friends has cheated on his wife at some point. Does that mean I'm not going to be friends with them cause they get a piece of ass on the side every once in a while? I don't care and what they do is really not my business.[/B]

The guy is paid to win games. Not to be friendly with the media, or be nice to camera men, or make all the fans happy. Let me ask you this. Would you rather have a coach who is an a-hole who wins? Or would you rather have a coach who is nice and is loved by the media but can't win? Personally, I would would rather have the a-hole who wins.

The Pats are a better team/organization than us. But we were also outcoached yesterday. By a mile. So perhaps some of the fans should worry about why we can't score points, rather than cry about why the other coach is a bad guy, or why they ran it up on us.[/quote]

It just means your friends are douche bags and so is Belichick. It speaks to your character what you do off the field, and based on what he does on the field I think it's pretty obvious the guy is a complete a-hole.

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[quote=firstdown;370591]Well there was a better chance of them getting 3 points then going for it on forth down.[/quote]

Huh?

Do me a favor and the next time you're watching a team blow another team out, pay attention to what they do in similar situations. The vast majority of the time you won't see teams going for it on 4th downs and throwing the ball down the field with a 45 point lead. If you do see that, you must be watching the Patriots.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;370592]It just means your friends are douche bags and so is Belichick. It speaks to your character what you do off the field, and based on what he does on the field I think it's pretty obvious the guy is a complete a-hole.[/QUOTE]

Too bad the Skins dont have an a-hole coach. I'd love for the Skins to be 8-0 and kicking azz.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;370585]See this is more loser talk. [B]Why do you care if he cheats on his wife? Every single one of my friends has cheated on his wife at some point...[/B] [/QUOTE]

Really? Wow, you would be the one we'd all like to turn to with questions of class and character. :doh:

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[quote=Dlyne8r;370586]Jeeze. I'm not going to repeat the multitude of reasons again. Just read all of the posts and maybe you'll get it...maybe.[/quote]


I've read the posts, and yes, I get where people are coming from on this issue. I really do. However, to me, a classless act would be if the Pats somehow had an "unfair" advantage over the Skins and then decided to run up the score. To me, running up the score implies that you are somehow incapable of preventing me from advancing the ball. If I'm still into the game, then I expect the same from your team. Which brings me to another question, did the Skins give up is what we really should be asking. Somehow, displacing our blame and disgust on Belichick has become all too convenient around the NFL these days.

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[quote=irish;370596]Too bad the Skins dont have an a-hole coach. I'd love for the Skins to be 8-0 and kicking azz.[/quote]

You can still win and kick ass but have some class.

I really hope we never have a coach who's a dickhead in the mold of Belichick. I really don't. Winning is great but you can still show some respect for your opponents and the game.

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[quote=irish;370523]I just cant see how NE could have done it any differently. They went for it on 4th instead of kicking a FG. The FG would have been rubbing the Skins noses in it. At least the Skins had a chance to stop them on 4th and they couldnt.

I have no problem with any team scoring as much as they can. The only way to disrespect the game is to stop playing hard. You cant tell guys that want to get noticed or keep their jobs to stop playing.[/quote]


And thats why no one likes you or your garbage mentality

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;370358]I find it hard to have any respect for a coach who runs up a score. There's no need to show up your opponent. It's a total lack of class and humility, and those that support such a thing are also lacking in class and humility.[/QUOTE]

i knew going in this game wasn,t going to be a pretty one to watch but did i ,yes i did. and from the looks of bill on the sidelines he,s always like he,s unhappy but maybe thats just me.in regards to running up the score that shows no class all the way this might just prove to be costly to the patroits in the long run especially this week.

but running up the score shows no class from a no class coach in my eyes..getting a beatdown is one thing but getting your nose rubbed in it when the going is good well thats another thing all together but i wish we had that kind of killer instinct.

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Yeah, he ran up the score. But this kind of thing happens in the NFL. Lots of other teams are feeling the same way, and every week that goes by, more people are gunning for the Patriots. Belicheck and his players like it that way.

I don't know about throwing everybody against them for all-out blitzes in the fourth quarter. That reeks of desperation. But the team that beats them is going to have to START with a determination to play ugly. I mean Buddy Ryan, body-bag ugly. Jerry Glanville, trash-talk ugly. I mean Bill Walsh, crackback block ugly. You notice how after every play the Pats players pat the defenders on the rear and say good job? All part of the mind games they play. Slap 'em back, and go for the knees on the next play. Rattle em up, take em out of their game. They're already motivated, so you can't make it any worse.

The Colts may pull it off, but from the way they're talking, I'm looking for Ray Lewis and the gang to cause Brady some pain.

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[quote=12thMan;370600]I've read the posts, and yes, I get where people are coming from on this issue. I really do. However, to me, a classless act would be if the Pats somehow had an "unfair" advantage over the Skins and then decided to run up the score. To me, running up the score implies that you are somehow incapable of preventing me from advancing the ball. If I'm still into the game, then I expect the same from your team. Which brings me to another question, did the Skins give up is what we really should be asking. Somehow, displacing our blame and disgust on Belichick has become all too convenient around the NFL these days.[/quote]
Well if we gave up it started on the Pats very first drive.

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[quote=Dlyne8r;370597]Really? Wow, you would be the one we'd all like to turn to with questions of class and character. :doh:[/quote]

My point was why do Redskins fans care what BB does in his personal life? Why do the fans care if Brady fathered a child out of wedlock, or is on People magazine? It's like fans are trying to place blame anywhere except at our own team.

Why can't we discuss why nobody bothered to cover Vrabel on the same play he has ran since 04? Or why we just sat back and let Brady have all day to pass? Or why we can't get a 1st down?

Matt Cassell is NE's back-up QB. He never ever gets to play cause Brady has started every game since 01. So when he gets a chance to play what in the world is he suppose to do? Go in and hand it off? I can bet NE's coaching staff is thinking get this guy some game experience in case anything happens to Brady. They are always thinking ahead, unlike our coaching staff.

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[quote=skinsfan69;370615]
Matt Cassell is NE's back-up QB. He never ever gets to play cause Brady has started every game since 01. So when he gets a chance to play what in the world is he suppose to do? Go in and hand it off? I can bet NE's coaching staff is thinking get this guy some game experience in case anything happens to Brady. They are always thinking ahead, unlike our coaching staff.[/quote]

Maybe the worst argument for Belichick's middle-finger statement I have heard yet. If they wanted to get Matt Cassell experience, they could have started in the third quarter and would have been able to do so safely.

This isn't baseball, you can bring your starter back in if anything "crazy" happens, you know, like if we had scored more than once on them.

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Of course the score was run up. However, up until going for it on 4th down, I'd say the Pats were playing their game. Going for it on 4th twice in the 4th up as much as they were set the tone, saying that you can't stop us, so we're going to continue to ram it down your throat.

However, at what point does a coach pull back the reigns? Seems like last week, Belicheck did that and the Dolphins put up 28. He didn't want to see that happen again, so the starters were out there until well into the 4th quarter.

The Redskins did not help their cause, coming out as flat as they did. When Rogers went down, the secondary was depleated, and Welker was going up against Lee Torrance and tore him apart.

Chalk it up to a bad game against the best team in the NFL, with a coach who has a chip on his shoulder. It was classless to run the score up, but it happened and he doesn't care. The Skins showed no signs of stopping their offense, so they continued to score.

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WHO THE HELL CARES if he ran up the score. We were more concerned with the PATS than ourselves.

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[QUOTE=vaoutlaws2006;370570]i really dont think i need to add anything except i do think they ran the score up on us and as someone once told me what goes around comes around. I was one of these that question the offensive play calling but honestly i am now starting to question the defensive play calling. [B]But it is only one game and we need to put it behind us and get ready to play the Jets.[/B][/QUOTE]

Yes, the team needs to move on with preparing for the next game, but I think the entire organization should not quickly forget what happened yesterday. They should keep this fresh in their collective minds and use it to learn from and for motivation. London Fletcher isn't ready to forget with this quote in the WP:

"We got utterly embarrassed in every facet of the football game," said linebacker London Fletcher, a vocal leader in just his first season with the team. "This loss falls on everybody in this organization. I feel like we've got to let it simmer and stew, because I don't ever want to have this feeling again. I don't think you just move on. There's a lot of stuff that happened on this football field today that has to be corrected if we're going to get to our ultimate goal this year."

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/28/AR2007102801093.html]washingtonpost.com[/url]

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[quote=skinsfan69;370615]My point was why do Redskins fans care what BB does in his personal life? Why do the fans care if Brady fathered a child out of wedlock, or is on People magazine? It's like fans are trying to place blame anywhere except at our own team.

Why can't we discuss why nobody bothered to cover Vrabel on the same play he has ran since 04? Or why we just sat back and let Brady have all day to pass? Or why we can't get a 1st down?

Matt Cassell is NE's back-up QB. He never ever gets to play cause Brady has started every game since 01. So when he gets a chance to play what in the world is he suppose to do? Go in and hand it off? I can bet NE's coaching staff is thinking get this guy some game experience in case anything happens to Brady. They are always thinking ahead, unlike our coaching staff.[/quote]

I don't think anyone disputes that we played like shit, in fact we've been talking about that in other threads. That doesn't change the fact that one of the story lines from yesterday was the Pats running up the score.

If you don't have a problem with NE running it up, fine. Class and character are those things that people either have or they don't. You either understand it or you don't.

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[quote=skinsnut68;370611]Yeah, he ran up the score. But this kind of thing happens in the NFL. Lots of other teams are feeling the same way, and every week that goes by, more people are gunning for the Patriots. Belicheck and his players like it that way.

I don't know about throwing everybody against them for all-out blitzes in the fourth quarter. That reeks of desperation. But the team that beats them is going to have to START with a determination to play ugly. I mean Buddy Ryan, body-bag ugly. Jerry Glanville, trash-talk ugly. I mean Bill Walsh, crackback block ugly. You notice how after every play the Pats players pat the defenders on the rear and say good job? All part of the mind games they play. Slap 'em back, and go for the knees on the next play. Rattle em up, take em out of their game. They're already motivated, so you can't make it any worse.

The Colts may pull it off, but from the way they're talking, I'm looking for Ray Lewis and the gang to cause Brady some pain.[/quote]

LOL!! I don't know about going after anybody's knees. But you can bet your life that Balt. is not going to let Brady sit back and have all day to pass. Knowing them they will take a late hit 15 yard penalty just to try and rattle him up.

But you are on to something and that type of mentality is what it might take to beat these guys.

Did you happen to see the Georgia Fla game? The coach of Georgia sent the whole team out on the field to celebrate a Georgia TD. The whole bench ran out on the field to try and intimidate Fla. I loved it!!!! The Geogia coach had the I don't give a f*#k attitude and they took the 15 yard penalty. Actually they took two 15 yarders but he was sending a message to Fla. The Georgia coach has some major balls.

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My friend put it best...as far as the Pats are concerned we are slightly better than the Dolphins. Anywho, no need to be pissed, just put this game away and never watch it, read about it or talk about it! Pretend we had a bye week if you have to.

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/drivechart?gameId=251023028"]ESPN - San Francisco vs. Washington Drive Chart, October 23 2005 - NFL Football[/URL]

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[quote=skinsfan69;370627]
Did you happen to see the Georgia Fla game? The coach of Georgia sent the whole team out on the field to celebrate a Georgia TD. The whole bench ran out on the field to try and intimidate Fla. I loved it!!!! The Geogia coach had the I don't give a f*#k attitude and they took the 15 yard penalty. Actually they took two 15 yarders but he was sending a message to Fla. The Georgia coach has some major balls.[/quote]

If that's what you want to see from your team, you're rooting for the wrong football organization. Start wearing silver and black, and maybe in another decade or so of top-5 picks, the Raiders will be rolling again.

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[quote=Mattyk72;370623]I don't think anyone disputes that we played like shit, in fact we've been talking about that in other threads. That doesn't change the fact that one of the story lines from yesterday was the Pats running up the score.

If you don't have a problem with NE running it up, fine. Class and character are those things that people either have or they don't. You either understand it or you don't.[/quote]

I had no problem with what NE did yesterday. It's pro football.

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[quote=dgack;370633]If that's what you want to see from your team, you're rooting for the wrong football organization. Start wearing silver and black, and maybe in another decade or so of top-5 picks, the Raiders will be rolling again.[/quote]

Yeah seriously, that's bush league shit.

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[quote=skinsfan69;370637]I had no problem with what NE did yesterday. It's pro football.[/quote]

Then why doesn't every team do that?

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[quote=dgack;370619]Maybe the worst argument for Belichick's middle-finger statement I have heard yet. If they wanted to get Matt Cassell experience, they could have started in the third quarter and would have been able to do so safely.

This isn't baseball, you can bring your starter back in if anything "crazy" happens, you know, like if we had scored more than once on them.[/quote]

At that point the game was not over.

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Run up the score? ... What you're saying is, the Patriots were kicking your ass in every conceivable way, and so you wish they'd have just stopped playing. ... Maybe if you'd have cried really, really loud, they would have.

Here's an idea: Play some defense. ... And where was that defense of yours, anyway? ... Whatever -- thanks for dropping by Foxborough. ... And thanks for rolling over like the JV and getting blown out. ... Allowed us to leave early, get to a bar in plenty of time to watch the Red Sox win the World Series. ... It must suck not being a Boston sports fan right now.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;370627]...

[B]Did you happen to see the Georgia Fla game?[/B] The coach of Georgia sent the whole team out on the field to celebrate a Georgia TD. The whole bench ran out on the field to try and intimidate Fla. I loved it!!!! The Geogia coach had the I don't give a f*#k attitude and they took the 15 yard penalty. Actually they took two 15 yarders but he was sending a message to Fla. The Georgia coach has some major balls.[/QUOTE]

I did see that game. And I was pulling for Georgia. But, that too was yet another example of what I consider "classless." I live in Atlanta and even some Georgia fans were embarrassed by what Mark Richt did. Look, I am all for getting the team fired up and ready to play smash-mouth football. But there must be limits with sportsmanship always prevailing. Am I being contradictory in saying that the 'Skins should have "brought the house" on each and every play after the Pats were obviously running up the score and putting Brady on his ass? Maybe. But what the Pats did and Georgia did were two diametrically opposed situations. Georgia had just scored their [I][U]own[/U][/I] first TD. Florida had done [I][U]nothing[/U][/I] to warrant the entire Bulldog team to storm the field so early in the game. And finally, per my original post I never said anything about trying to deflect blame on our own team. The Redskins flat out stunk. There is plenty of blame to go around on our team. This thread was not started to discuss that issue, it is already being discussed on other threads.

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[quote=carbofisk;370641]Run up the score? ... What you're saying is, the Patriots were kicking your ass in every conceivable way, and so you wish they'd have just stopped playing. ... Maybe if you'd have cried really, really loud, they would have.

Here's an idea: Play some defense. ... And where was that defense of yours, anyway? ... Whatever -- thanks for dropping by Foxborough. ... And thanks for rolling over like the JV and getting blown out. ... Allowed us to leave early, get to a bar in plenty of time to watch the Red Sox win the World Series. ... It must suck not being a Boston sports fan right now.[/quote]

I thought Boston fans had some class, guess I was wrong.

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[QUOTE=carbofisk;370641]Run up the score? ... What you're saying is, the Patriots were kicking your ass in every conceivable way, and so you wish they'd have just stopped playing. ... Maybe if you'd have cried really, really loud, they would have.

Here's an idea: Play some defense. ... And where was that defense of yours, anyway? ... Whatever -- thanks for dropping by Foxborough. ... And thanks for rolling over like the JV and getting blown out. ... Allowed us to leave early, get to a bar in plenty of time to watch the Red Sox win the World Series. ... It must suck not being a Boston sports fan right now.[/QUOTE]
I dont think the problem is the amount of scoring, the problem is how the points are scored...and if anyone thought the Skins had more than a miracle's chance to win yesterday is just lying to themselves.

There is no reason whatsoever for the starters to be in the game with a blowout as late in the 4th as they were. The backups score, so what...however, for a team up as much as the Pats were yesterday, and go for it on 4th down twice, when a field goal puts points on the board, that's classless. But so be it. The league as a whole saw what Belicheck wants to do, and other teams will adjust. Sometimes being the goat isn't a bad thing. I kinda feel bad for the Jets next week...or I feel bad for the Skins because if they don't show up next week, it sets the tone for the rest of the year.

And if the tables were turned, you being a Boston fan, I can't imagine what would be have been left on Pats message boards...All I'll say is what goes around, comes around. The Pats may be the best team in the NFL right now, but once you're on top, you have to fight to stay there...the bullseye is bright, big, and every team from here on out, including the Colts, are gunning to take the Pats down.

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[quote=Mattyk72;370639]Then why doesn't every team do that?[/quote]

Because they are different from most teams. It doesn't come down to a character issue cause they are trying to score more points. That is what they are paid to do!!! They don't stop coaching until the game is over and I just don't have a problem with it. Indy does the same thing. They keep throwing when they are comfortably ahead. Those two teams never ever try and burn the clock out like we do. They are always trying to score more points.

It would be a character issue if NE was playing dirty like the old Raider teams did. I don't ever see NE's players getting flags thrown for personal fouls or unsportsmenlike conduct.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;370647]I thought Boston fans had some class, guess I was wrong.[/QUOTE]

Boston fans are among the least classy fans out there, always have been, always will be.. Don't be fooled by the Eastern Seaboard Programming Network to think Boston is a sports utopia filled with kittens and lollypops..