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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;388105]There's no way Gibbs would have did that on purpose. The odds are much better for missing a 51 yard FG vs. a 36 yard attempt. To basically throw away the game to take pressure off the players is totally ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

The more I think about it, I agree. He would, and always does, take the blame no matter what. But he wouldn't have done something like that.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;388063]I don't see what's wrong with asking a ref for clarification, again they do this all the time. Yes Gibbs should have known the rule, but if he wasn't clear and asked the ref and the ref says yes, you can call a time out, I think some blame has to be placed on the ref for misinforming the coach.[/QUOTE]

Matty, I'm with you all the way on this one. In every situation, if a player or coach tries to call consecutive timeouts, then it's up to the official, [B]upon hearing the request,[/B] to deny the timeout, continue with the play, and explain that taking consecutive timeouts is illegal.

Clearly, the official who stopped the play the second time didn't know the rule either. When getting the signal from Gibbs to take the second timeout, he never should have waved his arms to cease play and stop the clock. All he had to say is, "Coach, the rules say you can't take two timeouts in a row."

This is not to absolve Gibbs from blame. Certainly he, or someone else on this immense coaching staff should have known that. But I'm really interested to hear how the league explains this one.

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[quote=Beemnseven;388133]Matty, I'm with you all the way on this one. In every situation, if a player or coach tries to call consecutive timeouts, then it's up to the official, [B]upon hearing the request,[/B] to deny the timeout, continue with the play, and explain that taking consecutive timeouts is illegal.

Clearly, the official who stopped the play the second time didn't know the rule either. When getting the signal from Gibbs to take the second timeout, he never should have waved his arms to cease play and stop the clock. All he had to say is, "Coach, the rules say you can't take two timeouts in a row."

This is not to absolve Gibbs from blame. Certainly he, or someone else on this immense coaching staff should have known that. But I'm really interested to hear how the league explains this one.[/quote]

My thoughts exactly. I'm not trying to absolve Gibbs either, but clearly he may have been given bad info and that's certainly an issue I would want brought up with the league.

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What I don't understand is why the ref didn't just tell him when he called the timeout that he couldn't do it? That tells me that the ref on the sideline didn't know the rule. If a coach tries to call a timeout in that situation when he doesn't have one, the ref would just ignore him. He wouldn't come running in to stop the play. None of this excuses Gibbs, but it seems to me that at least one official was complicit in the mistake.

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dont blame this one on taylor......

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;388136]My thoughts exactly. I'm not trying to absolve Gibbs either, but clearly he may have been given bad info and that's certainly an issue I would want brought up with the league.[/QUOTE]

Gibbs said he asked and "felt the ref said yes" (whatever that means). I think he was not really sure what the ref said or else he would have said I asked and the ref said yes.

When Chris Webber called the TO when UM didnt have any left in the Natl Championship game the ref didnt keep the game going and then explain later that you didnt have any left so I just let the game go on. Gibbs made a mistake.

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[quote=Mattyk72;388105]There's no way Gibbs would have did that on purpose. The odds are much better for missing a 51 yard FG vs. a 36 yard attempt. To basically throw away the game to take pressure off the players is totally ridiculous.[/quote]

yeah i agree and argued with my brother that a 51 yarder is no gimme and there is no way gibbs would have done it on purpose given the huge emotional lift a win would have brought us but . . .

i find it equally unbelievable and ridiculous that gibbs didnt know he couldnt call 2 timeouts in a row. either way by the headlines in the post, gibbs is taking alot of the blame

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time out this team always runs the the ball with 2 minutes left in the game portis cant ever get a first down they punt the ball the other team drives down the field scores and wins this team is over payed thugs and wanna be football stars

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[quote=chocho;388195]time out this team always runs the the ball with 2 minutes left in the game portis cant ever get a first down they punt the ball the other team drives down the field scores and wins this team is over payed thugs and wanna be football stars[/quote]
How old are you anyway?

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how old am i 32 do you know anything bout football ? how many games have they lost this way or almost lost smart guy

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[quote=chocho;388201]how old am i 32 do you know anything bout football ? how many games have they lost this way or almost lost smart guy[/quote]
im40andyesiknowalotaboutfootballandiknowhowmanytheyhavelost

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[QUOTE=Ocliw;388197]How old are you anyway?[/QUOTE]

Don't waste time on this clown, he'll be banned by the end of the day hopefully..

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im not hattin but this play callin is a joke

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clown.. is that the best you got you coach is a retard

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;388136]My thoughts exactly. I'm not trying to absolve Gibbs either, but clearly he may have been given bad info and that's certainly an issue I would want brought up with the league.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure the league's stance is it's your responsibility to know the rules of the game. In basketball if you are out of timeouts and you call one anyway, the ref has to grant it, but it's a technical foul.. In baseball if you call timeout and it's not granted and the pitcher throws a strike, it's still a strike.. The officials are there to govern the game, not advise on whether actions are within the written/stated rules or not. I really don't get how any of the blame/responsibility can be put on this official.

JG-"Can I call another timeout?"
Ref-"Yes you can."

The Redskins had another timeout to call so the ref didn't do anything wrong IMO, it was a boneheaded mistake that ultimately cost us the game.

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[QUOTE=chocho;388210]clown.. is that the best you got you coach is a retard[/QUOTE]

What? Are you having a conversation with yourself?

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blami it on the ref gibbs this team has an excuss for every loss 1 out of six dam there on the way to the playoffs

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[QUOTE=chocho;388219]blami it on the ref gibbs this team has an excuss for every loss 1 out of six dam there on the way to the playoffs[/QUOTE]

Me fail English...that's unpossible!

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if you cant handle the truth and want to get personal maybe we can figure this out

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[QUOTE]
What I don't understand is why the ref didn't just tell him when he called the timeout that he couldn't do it?
[/QUOTE]

For one thing, it's not the referees job to explain the rules to a coach. Some refs do, some don't, but they are not required to. And in all honesty, Gibbs [B]CAN [/B]call back-to-back timeouts to ice the kicker, and he did, and was penalized for it in accordance with the rules. As someone said earlier - Rookie mistake.

---but---

Didt hat cost the team the game? No, not even close, that was just the final mistake of a game that was lost late in the 3rd quarter when the Skins offense shut down, again, and put the burden of winning on the shoulders of the defense and special teams. With about 4 minutes to go and the score 16-14, I turned to my friend (a Bills fan, actually from Buffalo too!) and said, "Don't worry, you will get the ball back at least one more time." Then I watched, somewhat bewildered, as a team that had been averaging a whopping 2 yds per carry, ran the ball on three straight plays, failed to get a first down (getting even 1 would have ended the game), then headed off the field to force the special teams and defense to not lose the game. I was not surprised in the least to see a ROOKIE quarterback, playing on the road, in the rain, move the ball down the field and into field goal range against a defense that was applying ZERO pressure on him.
The sad reality is that Redskins are not a very good football team. Jason Campbell may have potential, but presently he is a turnover machine (Dave Krieg might be worried that his NFL record for most fumbles is in jeopardy!). Yeah Yeah Yeah, he is in his first year as a starter, blah blah blah only 19 starts, yadda yadda yadda give him some more time - STUFF IT Skins apologists. We are all in love with a very mediocre football team that is not really showing signs of getting better.

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[QUOTE=chocho;388227]if you cant handle the truth and want to get personal maybe we can figure this out[/QUOTE]

I just don't understand what your argument is.

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[QUOTE=chocho;388227]if you cant handle the truth and want to get personal maybe we can figure this out[/QUOTE]

32 year old internet thugs are hilarious. Punctuation and spelling owns you. Obviously you don't know all that much about football because though you claim your knowledge out shines all you have yet to make one valid point nor have you used one term that could be considered any type of football vocabulary.:spank:


To the real skins fans: i was watching the game yesterday and felt so bad that you could not pull out the win. Then, to see my beloved Broncos lose to the raiders and basically put us out of the wildcard picture really crushed me. Well, i guess its mock draft time.


P.S: i am watching the ST funeral service now, very very nice/classy ceremony.:goodjob:

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chocho = gone

bye d-bag

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[quote=chocho;388227]if you cant handle the truth and want to get personal maybe we can figure this out[/quote]

Go away.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;388240]chocho = gone

bye d-bag[/QUOTE]

Thanks, now back to our regularly scheduled argument..

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;388240]chocho = gone

bye d-bag[/QUOTE]

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Under NFL rules, the same team cannot call consecutive timeouts. If the officials incorrectly acknowledge the consecutive timeout, the clock is immediately started and the timeout negated. There is no penalty for this act, unless the purpose of the second timeout is to startle and cause a false start by the offensive team. In this situation, an unsportsmanlike conduct foul could be called on the defensive team. Under college rules, consecutive team timeouts are legal, and a team could call all of the team timeouts in succession.

When the penalty was called I googled this immediately. This is in reference to a Colts-Bears game in 2005 when the Bears tried to call 2 timeouts in a row. Seems the unsportsmanlike conduct call is a judgment call. Its not an unsportsmanlike penalty for trying to call a timeout you don't have, so this ruling is baffling to me.

Here's the link. [url=http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/askthereferee/cs-050105jerrymarkbreitsanswers,1,5838515.story?coll=cs-bears-asktheref-headlines]Jerry Markbreit's answers on ChicagoSports.com[/url]

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[QUOTE=memphisskin;388249]Under NFL rules, the same team cannot call consecutive timeouts. If the officials incorrectly acknowledge the consecutive timeout, the clock is immediately started and the timeout negated. There is no penalty for this act, unless the purpose of the second timeout is to startle and cause a false start by the offensive team. In this situation, an unsportsmanlike conduct foul could be called on the defensive team. Under college rules, consecutive team timeouts are legal, and a team could call all of the team timeouts in succession.

When the penalty was called I googled this immediately. This is in reference to a Colts-Bears game in 2005 when the Bears tried to call 2 timeouts in a row. Seems the unsportsmanlike conduct call is a judgment call. Its not an unsportsmanlike penalty for trying to call a timeout you don't have, so this ruling is baffling to me.

Here's the link. [url=http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/askthereferee/cs-050105jerrymarkbreitsanswers,1,5838515.story?coll=cs-bears-asktheref-headlines]Jerry Markbreit's answers on ChicagoSports.com[/url][/QUOTE]

The rule was amended following the 2005 season to include an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for calling consecutive timeouts to try to "ice" the kicker.

So you spend some 20+ years as a coach in the NFL and all you get is a slap on the wrist, in the past year and a half the rule changes but you have a mental lapse and blow it. It is what it is.

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I don't understand why everybody is always looking for someone to blame. Lindell may have hit that field goal anyway from 51 yards. If the offensive line didn't have that false start on 4th and less than a yard...if they didn't give up a safety...if Campbell (who takes the weight of the world on his shoulders every game) didn't throw that interception...if, if, if. Today is a day of mourning, not of blame.

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[QUOTE=Finslady;388263]I don't understand why everybody is always looking for someone to blame. Lindell may have hit that field goal anyway from 51 yards. If the offensive line didn't have that false start on 4th and less than a yard...if they didn't give up a safety...if Campbell (who takes the weight of the world on his shoulders every game) didn't throw that interception...if, if, if. Today is a day of mourning, not of blame.[/QUOTE]

I agree. Although you'll find that most people don't look for someone to blame here. They already know who to blame, they just look for new ways to blame him.

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[quote=chocho;388208]im not hattin but this play callin is a joke[/quote]

You know what's a joke? The way you write sentences. You write like a 2 year old.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;388255]The rule was amended following the 2005 season to include an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for calling consecutive timeouts to try to "ice" the kicker.

So you spend some 20+ years as a coach in the NFL and all you get is a slap on the wrist, in the past year and a half the rule changes but you have a mental lapse and blow it. It is what it is.[/QUOTE]

Oops, my bad. Thanks for the correction.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;388271]You know what's a joke? The way you write sentences. You write like a 2 year old.[/QUOTE]

He's gone, so we can forget about him.

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The funny part is usually they have waisted away all of our timeouts by this time of the game and the one time we had some left it comes back to bite us.

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[QUOTE=memphisskin;388272]Oops, my bad. Thanks for the correction.[/QUOTE]

All good. It's also not a penalty if the kicker isn't on the field. And not unsportsmanlike if you can prove the reason a time-out was called was for any reason other than trying to "ice" the kicker.

The ramifications of the rule are kind of vague. I would venture to say that a lot of people who are saying they knew the rule and all that it encompassed are just saying that.