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we need de

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[quote=Ferrari;410181]Did you guys know that we have a 6'5 235 pound wideout who runs a 4.51 40...... And he never got a single rep on offense. But McCardell came on the team and played on day 1. Maybe this new coach might be a benefit in the fact that there'll probably be open competition for almost every position. ARE could be like Wes Welker in the slot.

[URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2006/draft/players/598.html"]SI.com - 2006 NFL Draft - Anthony Mix[/URL][/quote]

there's probably a reason he hasn't played. he's just not very good.

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they need alot of things conerback, wide reciver, O line, and D line

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[quote=That Guy;403954]DE, then OG, then DB or a high upside WR (dj hall?). we're in a good position to grab 2-3 guys that could start either this year or next, and the team's talent base is much better now, getting us more flexibility.[/quote] I agree 100% . A DE that can play 3 downs and put pressure on the QB will make a the D much better . I think we could use a starter on the OL , we can't seem to ever make 3rd/4th and 1 . CB , Rogers and Springs are not sure things at the moment .If you hire Fassell and run the west coast ,,, we need 2 back up QB's , I doubt Collins would stay .

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The game is won and lost in the trenches. When the #21 pick comes up the Skins should take the best available D or O lineman.

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I picked D-Line, but we shouldn't draft just on need, but also on Best Player Available, we need help on both lines, and at line backer.

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They Need That Talib Cb Outta Kansas If He Hasnt Been Taken Yet So They Can Either Move Springs To (ss) With Landry At (fs) Or Cut Springs On June First And Take The Cap Hit Over The Next Two Years. If That Corner Is Not Available Though You Gotta Gotta Gotta Pray Dereck Harvey ([i]mark My Words[i])[/i][/i] Is Gonna Be There Or Take The Best D Lineman.

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I'm amazed that so few see WR as our top priority in the draft. While we surely need depth on both lines, push comes to shove we have starters and reserves for the next 2 seasons.. At WR, there is [i]currently[/i] an opening..

Zorn is on record as saying that Randle-El is moving into the slot and he's looking for another WR for the outside. We can hope and pray that Mix is that guy, but that's a stretch considering he's been nothing more than a practice squad guy for the past 3 seasons. Other than that we're counting on Caldwell (if he re-signs), McCardell (if he re-signs) or James Thrash? Yikes.

We've spent one first round pick (Campbell) on offense in the past 5 years, it's time to upgrade the WR corp.

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[quote=Paintrain;434421]I'm amazed that so few see WR as our top priority in the draft. While we surely need depth on both lines, push comes to shove we have starters and reserves for the next 2 seasons.. At WR, there is [I]currently[/I] an opening..

Zorn is on record as saying that Randle-El is moving into the slot and he's looking for another WR for the outside. We can hope and pray that Mix is that guy, but that's a stretch considering he's been nothing more than a practice squad guy for the past 3 seasons. Other than that we're counting on Caldwell (if he re-signs), McCardell (if he re-signs) or James Thrash? Yikes.

We've spent one first round pick (Campbell) on offense in the past 5 years, it's time to upgrade the WR corp.[/quote]

We have had bad luck drafting WR's in the first round. Howard, Westbrook, and Gardner. We have been more fortunate taking DB's Green, Bailey, Taylor, and Rogers.

But it really doesn't mean anything, however I do not think that there is a tall WR worth a first round selection in this years draft.

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[QUOTE=angryssg;434424]We have had bad luck drafting WR's in the first round. Howard, Westbrook, and Gardner. We have been more fortunate taking DB's Green, Bailey, Taylor, and Rogers.

But it really doesn't mean anything, however I do not think that there is a tall WR worth a first round selection in this years draft.[/QUOTE]

Well I'd debate you on Rogers being a good pick, I think we completely botched that offseason which led us to over-drafting for need (hand of stone Rogers) rather than best player available (Ware or Merriman).. Rogers has still done nothing IMO to justify his draft status/position.

Who would you compare Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly or Limas Sweed to in the NFL?

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[quote=Paintrain;434425]Well I'd debate you on Rogers being a good pick, I think we completely botched that offseason which led us to over-drafting for need (hand of stone Rogers) rather than best player available (Ware or Merriman).. Rogers has still done nothing IMO to justify his draft status/position.

Who would you compare Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly or Limas Sweed to in the NFL?[/quote]

I wouldn't compare them to anyone because I haven't seen them play a single snap in the NFL. Just like Bill Parcells will not use a 1st round pick on a RB, I do not believe in using one on WR.

On a side note if Rogers can rehab to the level he was playing at, then he was worth the pick. If not, then it was a waste, but only because of a career ending injury.

I realize of course, that you opinion differs and that Rogers hasn't done much, but even with that said, the Skins have drafted more quality DB's than WR's in the first round.

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[QUOTE=angryssg;434429]I wouldn't compare them to anyone because I haven't seen them play a single snap in the NFL. Just like Bill Parcells will not use a 1st round pick on a RB, I do not believe in using one on WR.

On a side note if Rogers can rehab to the level he was playing at, then he was worth the pick. If not, then it was a waste, but only because of a career ending injury.

I realize of course, that you opinion differs and that Rogers hasn't done much, but even with that said, the Skins have drafted more quality DB's than WR's in the first round.[/QUOTE]

So you just don't think WR should be picked in the 1st round period then? Yeah, we just disagree on Rogers. I think he's a complete waste of a 1st round pick but to your overall point, I agree we drafted more quality DB than WR in the 1st round.

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[quote=Paintrain;434432][B]So you just don't think WR should be picked in the 1st round period then?[/B] Yeah, we just disagree on Rogers. I think he's a complete waste of a 1st round pick but to your overall point, I agree we drafted more quality DB than WR in the 1st round.[/quote]
As a general rule, its more of a guideline that I use, but who the hell am I? Of course there is always an excecption to the rule, however there is not a prospect close to that in this years draft. Braylon Edwads was the last 1st round reciever to actually impress me enough to consider breaking my rule for. Before that I cannot remember.

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Calvin Johnson?

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[quote=Rajmahal33;434458]Calvin Johnson?[/quote]

No, go back to last years draft posts. I was 100% against Calvin Johnson and still believe that to this day. I even got in trouble because of my signature at the time. And Braylon was before Calvin, not the other way around.

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True, but i have to disagree. I think johnson is an absolute phreak (with a ph) and is gonna eventually assert his will on the NFL when he gets a few years under his belt

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Larry Fitzgerald had 750 yards his first year. Johnson had 700+ yards himself last year. If he didn't have to share the rock so much then his numbers would have been better. Just because he didn't have 1,000 yards last year doesn't mean he's a bust. In fact he's poised for a breakout year, assuming he stays healthy, in part because the OC wants to make him a big part of the offence.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;434524]Larry Fitzgerald had 750 yards his first year. Johnson had 700+ yards himself last year. If he didn't have to share the rock so much then his numbers would have been better. Just because he didn't have 1,000 yards last year doesn't mean he's a bust. In fact he's poised for a breakout year, assuming he stays healthy, in part because the OC wants to make him a big part of the offence.[/quote]

I am not calling him a bust, but he was not worthy of a 1st round pick. No reciever is IMO. They all struggle at first. Even Rice.

[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/2006/11/17/ramblings/too-deep-zone/4554/]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Football analysis and NFL stats for the Moneyball era - Authors of Pro Football Prospectus 2008[/url]

Twenty-one years ago this week, Bill Walsh stood before the skeptical Bay Area media and defended a controversial decision. He told them that the 49ers’ troubled rookie wide receiver would remain a starter despite several bad performances.
The rookie’s name was Jerry Rice.

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[quote=angryssg;434527]I am not calling him a bust, but he was not worthy of a 1st round pick. No reciever is IMO. They all struggle at first. Even Rice.

[URL="http://www.footballoutsiders.com/2006/11/17/ramblings/too-deep-zone/4554/"]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Football analysis and NFL stats for the Moneyball era - Authors of Pro Football Prospectus 2008[/URL]

Twenty-one years ago this week, Bill Walsh stood before the skeptical Bay Area media and defended a controversial decision. He told them that the 49ers’ troubled rookie wide receiver would remain a starter despite several bad performances.
The rookie’s name was Jerry Rice.[/quote]

Oh I wasn't refering to you, I just jumped on the opportunity to put what I said out there because there were a few guys on the forum that think [B]Calvin[/B] Johnson only gaining around 700 yards last year makes him a bust. Larry Fitzgerald was the bridge I needed to connect my point. But with that said how do you not like Calvin Johnson :(

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;434531]Oh I wasn't refering to you, I just jumped on the opportunity to put what I said out there because there were a few guys on the forum that think Chad Johnson only gaining around 700 yards last year makes him a bust. Larry Fitzgerald was the bridge I needed to connect my point. But with that said how do you not like Calvin Johnson :([/QUOTE]

Chad Johnson didn't have 700 yards receiving last year. He had nearly 1,500.

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[quote=SmootSmack;434534]Chad Johnson didn't have 700 yards receiving last year. He had nearly 1,500.[/quote]

Crap, Calvin Johnson Calvin Johnson Calvin Johnson. Stupid typo. Why do their names have to look so similar?

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;434579]Crap, Calvin Johnson Calvin Johnson Calvin Johnson. Stupid typo. Why do their names have to look so similar?[/QUOTE]

hahaha. Well that makes sense then.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;434531]Oh I wasn't refering to you, I just jumped on the opportunity to put what I said out there because there were a few guys on the forum that think [B]Calvin[/B] Johnson only gaining around 700 yards last year makes him a bust. Larry Fitzgerald was the bridge I needed to connect my point. But with that said how do you not like Calvin Johnson :([/quote]

I think that rating him as the best athlete in the draft was a bit over board. Not that I do not think that he has the potential to be a great reciever, but best player in the draft c'mon.

In my opinion a first round draft pick is a guy that can make a pro bowl type impact on your squad in his first season. It doesnt always happen that way as we all know. But it is even less likely for a 1st year reciever to do it. Unless his name was Marcus Colston, but nobody saw him comming.

What I am saying is that WR's take too long to develop to make them 1st round picks.

Once again, my opinion.

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Good points angry, and the idea here is to pick receivers behind their graded slot. You can't do that if you are picking them in the top ten, so it makes sense to wait a little bit and grab them when you have good value.

And if the rest of the league decides to collectively overvalue receiving talent and you can't land anyone behind slot...then just say whatever and beat them with a running game and a great defense (or just get a great QB who can win with scrubs at WR).

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it's funny we've gone through the dan snyder era with a lack of a wideouts and defensive ends 2 positions that where our strongest before his arrival.

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I'd say cornerback.