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[quote=That Guy;419092]i meant for the skins. it's 7mill to ditch lloyd and then it'll be at least 3mill for the severely backloaded CJ contract here, (1mill + SB/years of contract).[/quote]7 million dead cap to release Lloyd, but you still have to factor in the 4 mil you wont be paying him.

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[QUOTE=SBXVII;419114]Lloyd is one of the best WR out there and the only reason he didn't play was because he got injured. He's all better now and not a locker room problem. He always made those clutch catches also. [/QUOTE]

You have been drinking haven't you?

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So the options are a pain in the a$$ WR that gets paid to sit on the bench and a pain in the a$$ WR that plays and produces. If that's the choice then I'd go with CJ. I know it is not that easy. Now, I must say that all of the pain in the a$$ WR (TO, CJ) have delivered in play and numbers. Bring in Chad could be something different...hey I know we're not in the same situation, but last year many people (including Boston homer Bill Simmons) ridiculed a bit the Randy Moss trade. So who knows.

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[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3236165]ESPN - In Hawaii, Chad Johnson cryptically reiterates ire with Bengals - NFL[/url]

Now he's making enemies of reporters too! Note the end of the article where the Skins are mentioned.

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Chad Johnson would be a huge plus for our team. We do not really have a ligit redzone threat from the WR position. He not only makes the team better but will provide more touches for Moss, Cooley, ARE, and will not allow teams to stack eight man fronts for the run game. If we get Johnson, Portis should average over 4.5 yards per carry. I would also add that we could use ARE in a Wes Welker type role. He is quick and has some open field moves and he could be the security blanket to Campell that Welker was for Brady all year long.

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He would definately be a huge plus for the team! Who do you think we would have to give up? We are already well over the cap and I am sure that if we get him, he would want an extension? It would be nice to have a QUALITY receiver over 6 foot! Although he is only 6'1.

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CJ is starting to go off the deep end. He really needs to reel things back in a bit and cool down.

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Yes he is beginning to go alittle over the top, but we need that here in Washington! Alittle confidence, not cockiness. I was so sick of hearing the same robotic answers from Gibbs, staff, and players the last four players!

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What Johnson is doing right now is pouting like a 5 year old. Sorry but that's definitely not needed here. He really needs to grow up and handle his business like a professional. What he's doing is inexcusable.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;419321]What Johnson is doing right now is pouting like a 5 year old. Sorry but that's definitely not needed here. He really needs to grow up and handle his business like a professional. What he's doing is inexcusable.[/QUOTE]

I agree...and what do you think will happen if he comes here and doesn't get near 80 or 90 catches? Same ole chad will show up. No thanks.

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Look who his agent is---Drew Rosenhaus! His agent needs to help him and lead him in the right direction. I think Drew's past has shown that he is about as bad as his clients!

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[quote=Mattyk72;419321]What Johnson is doing right now is pouting like a 5 year old. Sorry but that's definitely not needed here. He really needs to grow up and handle his business like a professional. What he's doing is inexcusable.[/quote]

I've felt this way about him the last couple years. Maybe there is something personal going on behind the scenes in cincy, but it looks to have all the makings of a TO type regression. He's not at that level now, but his behavior shows signs of him getting worse by the year, just as TO did until he had no more bridges to burn.

IMO, pro bowler or not, we don't need to make a deal for this guy.

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Sure, let's bring him in. We haven't had a Michael Westbrook incident since, well...Michael Westbrook was here.

Think I'm overreacting? Johnson shoved around some team employee and "stared him down" a few days ago.

He would be a horrible fit. We play as a team, a very closely-knit team without drama. He plays to promote himself over everyone else on the field. If you think Lloyd was bad, bring this nutjob in.

I had thought about it until I heard his agent was Rosenhaus. No thank you.

Yes, he's talented, but Cincy doesn't seem to be benefiting much from his abilities with all of his distractions. Neither would we.


We have enough good WRs. Moss, Randel El, McCardell can still play, Caldwell can haul in passes with those big eyeballs and 6'5" Mix has had success with Campbell before and looks promising.

Other positions need upgraded far more than WR.

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[quote=jsarno;419324]I agree...and what do you think will happen if he comes here and doesn't get near 80 or 90 catches? Same ole chad will show up. No thanks.[/quote]

I would take him. Thats 78 or 88 more catches then Lloyd. Plus he has good hands and can catch the ball.

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[quote=Buster;419332]Sure, let's bring him in. We haven't had a Michael Westbrook incident since, well...Michael Westbrook was here.

Think I'm overreacting? Johnson shoved around some team employee and "stared him down" a few days ago.

He would be a horrible fit. We play as a team, a very closely-knit team without drama. He plays to promote himself over everyone else on the field. If you think Lloyd was bad, bring this nutjob in.

I had thought about it until I heard his agent was Rosenhaus. No thank you.

Yes, he's talented, but Cincy doesn't seem to be benefiting much from his abilities with all of his distractions. Neither would we.


We have enough good WRs. Moss, Randel El, McCardell can still play, Caldwell can haul in passes with those big eyeballs and 6'5" Mix has had success with Campbell before and looks promising.

Other positions need upgraded far more than WR.[/quote]

McCardell can still play till his knees give out on him. Old man is good, but then the key word is old. The guy's almost 40, he can't have but so much gas left in the tank.

I feel as if people are a product of their environment and obviously CJ doesn't like his. If that's the case, he needs a move.

TO was a complete headcase (and still is) but is MUCH better now that he's in Dallas. Same goes with Randy Moss.

I think CJ just needs to find a different team (hopefully the Skins) and with a disciplined coach and team, he'll do fine.

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Have we forgotten about Caldwell already?

I'm not saying he's a superstar but he was pretty solid down the stretch and looked like a promising player for us as a #2/#3 type of WR.

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Yeah, Caldwell really stepped up and helped us out when we needed it. They should make it a point to sign him back.

Still, he won't make the difference between an explosive offense and what we've had for the past two years. We still need a game-breaker along with Moss.

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[quote=Beemnseven;419621]Yeah, Caldwell really stepped up and helped us out when we needed it. They should make it a point to sign him back.

[B]Still, he won't make the difference between an explosive offense and what we've had for the past two years. We still need a game-breaker along with Moss[/B].[/quote]

I definitely agree.

At one time I was in favor of making a move for CJ but with his recent antics I'm off his bandwagon. You can never have enough play makers that's for sure. I think we need to try to address this in the draft though.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;419619]Have we forgotten about Caldwell already?

I'm not saying he's a superstar but he was pretty solid down the stretch and looked like a promising player for us as a #2/#3 type of WR.[/QUOTE]

Caldwell? What about McCardell?
Sure Caldwell had a couple decent catches, but McCardell really stepped up when we needed him. Sure he's old, but I'd like to see him back next year. Caldwell took a long time before he made an impact for us, and that was slight.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;419561]McCardell can still play till his knees give out on him. Old man is good, but then the key word is old. The guy's almost 40, he can't have but so much gas left in the tank.

I feel as if people are a product of their environment and obviously CJ doesn't like his. If that's the case, he needs a move.

TO was a complete headcase (and still is) but is MUCH better now that he's in Dallas. Same goes with Randy Moss.

I think CJ just needs to find a different team (hopefully the Skins) and with a disciplined coach and team, he'll do fine.[/quote]

The problem w/giving these guys a 'pass' (I know that you don't mean it to be that extreme) for their environment is that THEY screwed up their environment. Look at the 49ers & iggles before TO's selfishness.

Both TO & Moss had hit bottom in a way & burned their bridges to the point that only a couple teams were interested in them despite their great ability. CJ still has a lot of bridges left to burn before he's to that point, I just hope he doesn't do so here.

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Chad Johnson would not be a problem here. Portis and moss are friends with chad johnson, he also happened to be friends with Sean Taylor. Portis and Moss would keep him in check, he just doesnt like anybody in cincy.

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are we seriously saying we don't need CJ cause we have caldwell, el, and mix? i mean, wow. okay. sorry, but that's pretty weak.

and not hiring him cause of his agent? guess who the #1 agent rep on our team is... that's right, it's drew. guess all those other guys need to get fired now.

i can understand not liking his tantrums, but let's not mix the real reason you might not want him with piled up weak excuses.

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So JLC is reporting that league observers believe it will take a 1st and 3rd round or two 2nd round picks to pry Chad Johnson away from Cincy. Assuming it does take that much to nab Chad Johnson and we pull the tigger, I am dead set against the trade. Trading 2 first day picks for a 30 year old receiver with character problems isn't wise IMO.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/11/AR2008021102433.html]washingtonpost.com[/url]

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;420997]So JLC is reporting that league observers believe it will take a 1st and 3rd round or two 2nd round picks to pry Chad Johnson away from Cincy. Assuming it does take that much to nab Chad Johnson and we pull the tigger, I am dead set against the trade. Trading 2 first day picks for a 30 year old receiver with character problems isn't wise IMO.

[url=http://washingtonpost.com]washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines[/url][/QUOTE]

I agree with you there. Screw that.

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It is a lot to give up for this year's draft picks but I give up next years in a heart beat. Think about Seattle traded for Deion Branch with a first round pick. Branch is no where as close as good as Chad Johnson. We need a number 1 receiver by any means necessary. Moss is on my bad side now for the way he gave up on that play in the Seattle game. I would not mind trading to Cincy along with a second round pick for Chad. I believe CJ, EL and Caldwel would be a pretty good trio in this version of our west coast offense. I really want El in the slot. Did anyone hear in the Zorn's press conference that he made a reference to El being a terrific inside receiver. We need to have size on the outside for the slants and screens along with the blocking in the run game.

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It all comes down to the draft picks we would give up -- I agree that Chad Johnson would be a great fit here .. but look at the top two teams in our division -- NY and DAL signed Plax and TO away without giving up any draft picks ....

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;420997]So JLC is reporting that league observers believe it will take a 1st and 3rd round or two 2nd round picks to pry Chad Johnson away from Cincy. Assuming it does take that much to nab Chad Johnson and we pull the tigger, I am dead set against the trade. Trading 2 first day picks for a 30 year old receiver with character problems isn't wise IMO.

[url=http://washingtonpost.com]washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines[/url][/QUOTE]

I agree! I don't want CJ, character and all, and certainly don't want to give up anything from this draft. We cannot reap the benefits of drafting, if we trade them all!

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Please, please, stay away from this guy. First he would cost too much and seems to be declining talent wise, plus we don't need another Brandon Lloyd. DS and VC use your brains and draft a receiver instead of going for the quick fix.

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I personally would love to have Ocho Cinco but I am afraid it would cost us too many draft picks.

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[QUOTE=Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor;421021]It is a lot to give up for this year's draft picks but I give up next years in a heart beat. Think about Seattle traded for Deion Branch with a first round pick. Branch is no where as close as good as Chad Johnson. We need a number 1 receiver by any means necessary. [/QUOTE]

No offense, but I have never quite understood the logic that a 1st round pick in the current year's draft should be worth less than a 1st round pick in the next year's draft. That short-term focus can get you into trouble.

As for Deion Branch, he was entering "his prime" when he was traded to Seattle whereas Chad Johnson will turn 30 next season. Chad likely has 2 or so years of dominant play followed by a few years of rapid decline. I'd like to have a great #1 WR, but not a 30 year old malcontent who wants booku bucks.

But, as noted earlier, this story rises only slightly above rumor and with any luck that's all it will ever be. Ahhhhh the offseason.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;421030]Please, please, stay away from this guy. First he would cost too much and seems to be declining talent wise, plus we don't need another Brandon Lloyd. DS and VC use your brains and draft a receiver instead of going for the quick fix.[/quote]

I dunno why people are so quick to compare CJ to Lloyd.

One glaringly different thing is CJ is good. Brandon Lloyd is not and if he is good, he failed to show that while here and could've really cared less.

I guarantee if we land CJ he will NOT be the CJ (attitude wise) of Cincinnati. Bank on it.

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I think Johnson would be a great pickup and thats what JC needs.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;415824]If we're going to overpay for someone I would rather see CJ here over Moss.[/QUOTE]

Yes, CJ would be the preference since he has no history of beating up women as Moss does (allegedly)!

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Its a headline on Mike and Mike this morning.

[B][I]The Redskins are intrested in aquiring Chad Johnson from the Bengals!!!
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When these type of headlines come out this time of year, knowing our need for a WR. Im inclined to believe that DS is on the hunt.

BL you better give up your jersey boy....you are outta here!!!

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[quote=CooleyFanOV;421067]Its a headline on Mike and Mike this morning.

[B][I]The Redskins are intrested in aquiring Chad Johnson from the Bengals!!![/I][/B]


When these type of headlines come out this time of year, knowing our need for a WR. Im inclined to believe that DS is on the hunt.

BL you better give up your jersey boy....you are outta here!!![/quote]

Beat me to the post, but yeah I heard that on Mike & Mike this morning also.

All they would go as far as saying is that "The Redskins have made "overtures" to the Bengals with regard to Chad Johnson". Much like the "overtures" they made with regard to Lance Briggs last spring.

Although I can see Washington re-negotiating current contracts with players to get under the cap and make room, I just cannot see the Bengals going through with any trade of Johnson, to anyone.

So don't rush right out and buy a burgundy and gold #85 jersey just yet.

Ocho-Cinco is under contract through 2011 in Cincinatti. By trading Johnson NOW, the Bengals organization will have to accept MILLIONS of dollars in "Dead Money". That is a lot of money that counts against the Bengals salary cap. And it just does not make good business sense to trade him this year.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;420997]So JLC is reporting that league observers believe it will take a 1st and 3rd round or two 2nd round picks to pry Chad Johnson away from Cincy. Assuming it does take that much to nab Chad Johnson and we pull the tigger, I am dead set against the trade. Trading 2 first day picks for a 30 year old receiver with character problems isn't wise IMO.

[URL="http://washingtonpost.com"]washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines[/URL][/quote]
I think we'll give up Moss and a 1st or 2nd round pick for him...

All of our depth at solid #2,3 receivers etc... it just makes sense.

Anybody have any idea about the contract implications to a deal like this?

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If we had Johnson, Moss and Randle EL as our Top 3 recievers, we would have one of the best recieving trios in the league. Then if you ad in Caldwell when we do our 4 wide sets, we'd be pretty dangerous.

I say you do this move if you don't have to give up too many draft picks and you can jettison Brandon Lloyd.

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No way we get CJ without giving up our 1st round pic and possible a lower round pick as well. He is talented, but he will demand a large contract. He's 6'1, but we could really use someone a bit taller. He's a Diva and we have no reason to beleive he wouldn't make problems here. He's also 30 years old and may be in his prime now, but he probably only has 3-4 "good" years left in him.

why not keep our draft picks and just use those picks on a good, young, tall, cheap receiver?

for salary cap reasons, every chad johnson-type player we hire means we WON"T have talent at 3-4 other positions. i'd rather pay for 3-4 good players than one "star." and so would 31 other teams in the NFL. I guess snyder hasnt learned anything.

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From CJ's Rotoworld page (usually VERY reliable)
[url=http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&hl=112405&id=2544]Chad Johnson[/url]

[QUOTE] "Numerous league sources" tell the Washington Post that the Redskins are interested in trading for Chad Johnson.

Here we go. Two sources say Johnson is "eager" to get a new contract from the Redskins, confirming that Chad's main beef with the Bengals is about money. With a coaching staff almost fully in place, owner Dan Snyder's top priority is known to be acquiring a No. 1 receiver. While the Bengals aren't interested in moving Johnson currently, sources tell the Post that agent Drew Rosenhaus is actively working to broker a deal. It would probably take a pair of early first day draft picks to get Johnson. Feb. 11 - 11:28 pm et

Source: [url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/11/AR2008021102433.html]washingtonpost.com[/url][/QUOTE]

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^Next paragraph in that Post article:

[QUOTE]The Redskins also are expected to again pursue Chicago linebacker Lance Briggs, another Rosenhaus client they attempted to trade for last offseason.[/QUOTE]