Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72;421642]I'm just not convinced that the coaching search process would have been widely applauded no matter what happened.

Let's face it, it boils down to they didn't do what we wanted. We wanted GW, and as a result we were going to be upset with just about anything. The fans collectively stomped their feet and pouted when GW wasn't automatically handed the job and everything quickly went downhill from there. GW was never officially anointed as the successor to Gibbs except in the eyes of the fans and some false rumor that he had a contract stipulation.

The continuity thing is so overrated. Yes Snyder spoke of continuity but at the same time look at the staff. Several key coaches are back. What exactly does continuity mean anyway? Does it mean zero turnover? Because that was unlikely to happen no matter who got the job. If GW got the job and let some guys go and brought in some of his guys I doubt we would be hearing about the continuity excuse.[/QUOTE]


The first sentence of your post says it all.

The process had so many different forces at work simultaneously, and the length of it foiled the patience of interested fans everywhere.

Many were dissapointed when GW didn't get the promotion, and to me that was the greatest source of dissatisfaction, coupled with the possibility Jim Fassel may actually be named Gibbs successor.

There is one element regarding the hiring process I have a problem wraping my arms around, and that's having to do with the [Rooney Rule]. I respect the integrity of the rules' intention and purpose, but it just dosen't seem to have enough teeth to insure it's implementation in an identifyable and unbiased fashion that's easily distinguished. It still remains difficult to be able to determine if during the course of interviews, it's actually a fair and equitable process.

Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??
 

[quote=Bishop Hammer;421781]There is more to being a coach than X's and O's. They have got to be a motivator and make the players respect and want to play for them. In my opinion I think Zorn has those qualities where as Fassel did not. [/quote]



How do you know and why?

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Hey guys you guys, holy shit you guys, you gotta see my ninja armor. But seriously get this, I found a poll on ESPN.com that ask:
"Which first time head coach will have the most success with his team?"

The answers were as follows:
John Harbaugh - 24%
Mike Smith - 4%
Tony Sparano - 24%

and finally
Jim Zorn - 47%

Ironic, half the league is laughing at us but 6,038 people think that Jim Zorn is going to be the best rookie head coach.

Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;421884]Hey guys you guys, holy shit you guys, you gotta see my ninja armor. But seriously get this, I found a poll on ESPN.com that ask:
"Which first time head coach will have the most success with his team?"

The answers were as follows:
John Harbaugh - 24%
Mike Smith - 4%
Tony Sparano - 24%

and finally
Jim Zorn - 47%

Ironic, half the league is laughing at us but 6,038 people think that Jim Zorn is going to be the best rookie head coach.[/quote]

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/index]ESPN - NFL Football Teams, Scores, Stats, News, Standings, Rumors - National Football League[/url]

poll at bottom of page

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It seems to me that John Harbaugh is a similar hire to Jim Zorn since they both jumped to HC from a position coach. And I could be wrong but I thought a large chunk of the previous coaching staff is still there also...I know Ryan is still the DC. Anyway I didn't hear anyone criticise that hire. It's just Snyder...he is always going to be criticised until the Redskins win consistently.

Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;421884]Hey guys you guys, holy shit you guys, you gotta see my ninja armor. But seriously get this, I found a poll on ESPN.com that ask:
"Which first time head coach will have the most success with his team?"

The answers were as follows:
John Harbaugh - 24%
Mike Smith - 4%
Tony Sparano - 24%

and finally
Jim Zorn - 47%

Ironic, half the league is laughing at us but 6,038 people think that Jim Zorn is going to be the best rookie head coach.[/quote]

Over 15,000 have voted now. Keep in mind Baltimore, Atlanta, and Miami had a combined record of 10-38 in 2007, and we were a playoff team. It's a nice poll, but it's kind of a no-brainer.

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I think the first impression will be everything. I will need his respect before the season starts.
To impress me he will have to:
-Cut Lloyd
-Net Ocho Cinco or some quality signing
or
- A brilliant draft pick

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[quote=Campbell17;421951]I think the first impression will be everything. I will need his respect before the season starts.
To impress me he will have to:
-Cut Lloyd
-Net Ocho Cinco or some quality signing
or
- A brilliant draft pick[/quote]

I think Zorn's opinion will be 3rd in line behind Danny and Vinny for all three items on your list. And I don't think we can acquire Chad Johnson and still have a brilliant draft pick, b/c we're gonna have to give up a lot to get him.

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[QUOTE=Bishop Hammer;421781]Andy Reid started out as a Quarterback coach and went straight to being a head coach with the Eagles; ditto with Mooch as well. [/QUOTE]

Why do people say these things without knowing the facts? To make matters worse, this exact thing has been discussed in this very thread.
1- Andy Reid was qb coach and [b]assistant head coach[/b] in GB before going to philly.
2- Mooch was the [b]head coach[/b] for university of California before going to the NFL.
This is the 3rd or 4th time in the past 2 or 3 days I have had to correct these types of things.
I understand we all make mistakes, however, if you do not know something, please don't present it as fact.

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[QUOTE=Longtimefan;421804]I want to be content with getting Cower out of my system all together, because I do not think Snyder would fire Zorn even if he's not wholly successful in his first year.

On the other hand, what would be considered success for this team in 2008? Would anything short of a playoff apearence be considered a failure? [b]I'm more concerned with the fan reaction to Zorn if he struggles some in this his initial season.[/b][/QUOTE]

That is an extremely valid concern cause we had a hall of fame coach at the helm and many wanted him gone after we were 5-7. If Zorn goes 5-11, you bet the voices will be overwhelming to axe him. I think anything short of 8-8 will put him on the hot seat, and it's completely unfair.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;421957]Why do people say these things without knowing the facts? To make matters worse, this exact thing has been discussed in this very thread.
1- Andy Reid was qb coach and [b]assistant head coach[/b] in GB before going to philly.
2- Mooch was the [b]head coach[/b] for university of California before going to the NFL.
This is the 3rd or 4th time in the past 2 or 3 days I have had to correct these types of things.
I understand we all make mistakes, however, if you do not know something, please don't present it as fact.[/QUOTE]

What did it mean that Andy Reid was the assistant head coach beyond the title?

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[QUOTE=celts32;421821]Amen! Cowher is so overrated...he was somehow cleansed by that improbable super bowl run a couple years ago. He had so many high seeds go belly up at home in the playoffs. [b]He is a total Shotenheimer except for that one playoff run.[/b] Good coach but nothing special. You listen to the media talk and its like Canton is preparing his bust...[/QUOTE]

You could not be more wrong.
Cowher, 149-90-1 (.623%). Playoffs, 12-9, .571%
Schott, 200-126-1 (.613%). Playoffs, 5-13, .278%

While the regular season records are similar (Cowher has him by 10%), to compare him to Schottenheimer in the playoffs is beyond comprehension. It's not even close...and even if you take away the "improbable super bowl run" he's still 8-9 which is a TON better than Schottenheimer. Of course, you can't really take that run away, it wasn't a fluke, it was a matter of time.
Schottenheimer has had 0 super bowl appearances, 0 AFC/NFC championships. Cowher has been to 2 super bowls / 2 AFC/NFC championships. Also, Cowher has 9 Division Championships, Schott only 8 despite coaching in 6 MORE seasons.

ps- they ARE preparing his bust in Canton!

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;421960]What did it mean that Andy Reid was the assistant head coach beyond the title?[/QUOTE]

Well, he "assisted" in "head coach" duties. Stop focusing on how the SKins do things when it comes to titles and understand that other teams actually call it like they want it. Therefore Reid had a lot more experience since he assisted the head coach.
I suppose everyone should just ignore titles now?

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[QUOTE=GMScud;421950]Over 15,000 have voted now. Keep in mind Baltimore, Atlanta, and Miami had a combined record of 10-38 in 2007, and we were a playoff team. It's a nice poll, but it's kind of a no-brainer.[/QUOTE]

Exactly what I was going to say. Even if we hired Mike Smith, we'd have the majority of the votes cause we have an established team.
I'm not thrilled with the Zorn hiring (as HC), but I most certainly beleive Zorn will do better than all those guys.

Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??
 

[QUOTE=jsarno;421963]Well, he "assisted" in "head coach" duties. Stop focusing on how the SKins do things when it comes to titles and understand that other teams actually call it like they want it. Therefore Reid had a lot more experience since he assisted the head coach.
I suppose everyone should just ignore titles now?[/QUOTE]

Heck of an answer. He "assisted" in "head coach" duties.

Does that mean he ran practices when Holmgren called in sick? Was he part of the player selection process for all units (the way Williams was here)? Was he involved in the game plan and play design each week (the way Zorn was in Seattle)? Did he just get that title as a preventive measure to keep him in Green Bay?

Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;421967]Heck of an answer. He "assisted" in "head coach" duties. [/QUOTE]

Why thank you. :D

Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??
 

Just a few points here:

1. Fans who think Zorn will be the most successful of the new NFL coaches next year are probably also looking at the teams that the new coaches have inherited. The Falcons, Ravens and Dolphins are a mess; the Redskins made the playoffs. So Zorn starts out with more to work with here. If the Redskins finish with a worse record than either the Dolphins or the Falcons in 2009, that would be a serious problem. Maybe the Ravens can make one more run with their good - but aging quickly - defense, but the other two teams here just plain stink.


2. Tim Kawakami is a rather respected columnist and beat writer with the San Jose Mercury-News. He's been successful in at least two cities that I can recall and has pretty good sources for "stuff". The folks here on the Warpath who called him a "douchebag" because he didn't think Jim Zorn was all that good a selection and attacked him as a know-nothing didn't seem to demonstrate that they knew a whole lot about Mr. Kawakami's credentials. If you are going to attack someone for not being objective when he vented his spleen about Jim Zorn, it would be good for the attacker to be sure to know something about the subject before venting his spleen about Mr. Kawakami...


3. Ray Handley and Bobby Petrino have been heralded as bad hires - worse than Jim Zorn. That's definitely true from my perspective. Let me add some other names here that folks can research if they want to see what really bad coaching selections can do to a franchise:

Joe Kuharich
Richie Kotite (twice)
Wayne Fontes
Marion Campbell (twice)


4. Jim Zorn is taking a HUGE step up in terms of responsibility for a football team. If anyone doubts that, then he probably also thinks that Sonny Jurgensen would be a great back-up QB for the Skins next year too. Can Zorn make that HUGE step up? No one - not Tim Kawakami nor any poster here nor Danny Boy nor Jim Zorn himself - will KNOW the answer to that until about this time next year. So, fasten your seat belts and get ready for an interesting ride next season - - hopefully with a minimum of molar-jarring bumps...

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No one got mad at Kawakami "because he didn't think Jim Zorn was all that good a selection", but the guy flat out said this may very well be the worst NFL hire of all time! That is insulting to a man who hasnt even been on the job for more than a few hours before he wrote that. Not to mention Kawakami has a responsibility to actually do research and not make dumb remarks that Zorn was out of football and then magically ended up as Seattle's qb coach!

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They compare him with tony dungy on the nice guy meter...maybe the nice guy motivator approach will work.

Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??
 

[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon;421973]Just a few points here:

2. Tim Kawakami is a rather respected columnist and beat writer with the San Jose Mercury-News. He's been successful in at least two cities that I can recall and has pretty good sources for "stuff". The folks here on the Warpath who called him a "douchebag" because he didn't think Jim Zorn was all that good a selection and attacked him as a know-nothing didn't seem to demonstrate that they knew a whole lot about Mr. Kawakami's credentials. If you are going to attack someone for not being objective when he vented his spleen about Jim Zorn, it would be good for the attacker to be sure to know something about the subject before venting his spleen about Mr. Kawakami...
[/QUOTE]

My problem with the article is that it was factually inaccurate as to Zorn's past experience AND apparently inaccurate as to the esteem Zorn is held among his peers. Further, it is appears to insert a personal prejudice about Zorn based on an interview done some years ago. Finally, it ignores the fact that QB coach and other position coaches have been promoted in the past and succeeded. Then, despite all this, he recommends Singletary who, in many respects, is indistinguishable from Zorn in terms of experience and lacks Zorn's pedigree (i.e. the Holmgren coaching tree).

Understand, I am not touting Zorn as the greatest hire ever, nor am I saying that his peers think that he will step in and do a phenomenal job. Rather, I am merely critiquing a printed opinion by a journalist, credible or not, as poorly researched and obviously biased. It would seem to me that, if Mr. Kawakami is as respected as you say, then he should be a little more careful in his printed words whether they are mere blog or in a newsarticle.

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I don't care what his credentials are. A turd is a turd and this article is a heaping pile of it.

Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??
 

[QUOTE=jsarno;421962]You could not be more wrong.
Cowher, 149-90-1 (.623%). Playoffs, 12-9, .571%
Schott, 200-126-1 (.613%). Playoffs, 5-13, .278%

While the regular season records are similar (Cowher has him by 10%), to compare him to Schottenheimer in the playoffs is beyond comprehension. It's not even close...and even if you take away the "improbable super bowl run" he's still 8-9 which is a TON better than Schottenheimer. Of course, you can't really take that run away, it wasn't a fluke, it was a matter of time.
Schottenheimer has had 0 super bowl appearances, 0 AFC/NFC championships. Cowher has been to 2 super bowls / 2 AFC/NFC championships. Also, Cowher has 9 Division Championships, Schott only 8 despite coaching in 6 MORE seasons.

ps- they ARE preparing his bust in Canton![/QUOTE]

I will give you better then Shotenheimer but he's still overrated IMO.

Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??
 

[QUOTE=GreekSkin;421979]No one got mad at Kawakami "because he didn't think Jim Zorn was all that good a selection", but the guy flat out said this may very well be the worst NFL hire of all time! That is insulting to a man who hasnt even been on the job for more than a few hours before he wrote that. Not to mention Kawakami has a responsibility to actually do research and not make dumb remarks that Zorn was out of football and then magically ended up as Seattle's qb coach![/QUOTE]


The problem I find with the title of Mr. Kawakami's article is that it's so reminiscent to a parent telling a child "It will never amount to anything".

It behooves me how in one breath, one can declare a prediction of failure and doom, then in the next, say only time will tell. The comparisons do not equate, and take on the apearence of the high road to avoid redicule in the event their prediction backfires. "Just be safe and bet on every horse in the race".

Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??
 

The article was written with such a level of venom it made Len Pastabelly seem like a Redskins fan. It was rife with inaccuracies and had a very personal slant to it. As SC said, nobody knows what kind of job Zorn is going to do next year despite what they or we think. It truly seems like he is set up for more success than failure with a veteran playoff team, a largely veteran coaching staff and a front office willing to spend to improve areas that need improvement. Worst hire ever? He'd have to pull a Cam Cameron to acheive that.

Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??
 

[QUOTE=celts32;422065]I will give you better then Shotenheimer but he's still overrated IMO.[/QUOTE]

Well, I am not going to disagree with you on that. Overrated means rated better than he is or was, and some here hold him on a pedistal of god like status. A football god he is not. He is however a VERY good coach, and a soon to be hall of fame coach. Just because he is Bill Cowher does not mean he will win you a super bowl, or take you to the playoffs every year. So I understand and agree with your assessment of overrated. (just not the Schottenheimer comparison) ;)

Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??
 

[QUOTE=jsarno;422110]Well, I am not going to disagree with you on that. Overrated means rated better than he is or was, and some here hold him on a pedistal of god like status. A football god he is not. He is however a VERY good coach, and a soon to be hall of fame coach. Just because he is Bill Cowher does not mean he will win you a super bowl, or take you to the playoffs every year. So I understand and agree with your assessment of overrated. (just not the Schottenheimer comparison) ;)[/QUOTE]

I agree he's good and maybe very good but the HOF should be for great coaches and he's not that. I do agree with you that he will get in some day though.

Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??
 

[QUOTE=jsarno;421957]Why do people say these things without knowing the facts? To make matters worse, this exact thing has been discussed in this very thread.
1- Andy Reid was qb coach and [b]assistant head coach[/b] in GB before going to philly.
2- Mooch was the [b]head coach[/b] for university of California before going to the NFL.
This is the 3rd or 4th time in the past 2 or 3 days I have had to correct these types of things.
I understand we all make mistakes, however, [B]if you do not know something, please don't present it as fact.[/B][/QUOTE]

But wait! You said Zorn has been nothing more than a QB coach which is also incorrect.

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[quote=skinsguy;422284]But wait! You said Zorn has been nothing more than a QB coach which is also incorrect.[/quote]

pwned!

Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??
 

[QUOTE=jsarno;422110]Well, I am not going to disagree with you on that. Overrated means rated better than he is or was, and some here hold him on a pedistal of god like status. A football god he is not. He is however a VERY good coach, and a soon to be hall of fame coach. Just because he is Bill Cowher does not mean he will win you a super bowl, or take you to the playoffs every year. So I understand and agree with your assessment of overrated. (just not the Schottenheimer comparison) ;)[/QUOTE]

He had a great career, I just think it's set up for him to come to DC and fail. He had nothing to do with personnel acquisition in Pittsburgh, and they were probably the best run team in the NFL during his tenure there. His team got hot at the right time in 05, and that's great, but he was thought of very differently before that: as a very good coach, not some kind of can't miss savior.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;422284]But wait! You said Zorn has been nothing more than a QB coach which is also incorrect.[/QUOTE]

To be fair, I think jsarno in passing once mentioned that Zorn was OC at Utah State. He said it dismissively as if it counted for nothing, but he did say it

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;422407]To be fair, I think jsarno in passing once mentioned that Zorn was OC at Utah State. He said it dismissively as if it counted for nothing, but he did say it[/QUOTE]

Thank you for pointing that out SS, at least someone was paying attention.
I did say it more than once, but you are most certainly correct in saying that I said it dismissively. I do not think being an OC at Utah St. many moons ago is worth having a shot at a demanding HC job in DC. He deserved a shot at our OC job...not HC job. He hasn't earned that yet.
Hopefully it won't matter and Zorn will be an amazing coach for us.

Re: Zorn "probably the worst NFL hire of all time"??
 

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;422407]To be fair, I think jsarno in passing once mentioned that Zorn was OC at Utah State. He said it dismissively as if it counted for nothing, but he did say it[/QUOTE]

Ok. Fair enough. But I'd probably add if we're going to dismiss college experience, then mentioning Mooch being a head coach in college would probably not apply to the argument either.

Either way, I think it's unfair to say the hiring of Jim Zorn is the worst move ever made in the NFL, when we haven't seen what the guy can do as head coach yet. We can say it's probably one of the more riskier moves, which is ok. Didn't a bunch of Redskins fans complain about how conservative this team was? Zorn deserves a chance before the media, and fans who believe what the media says to be the gospel truth, slaps a scolding judgment on the team and the owner.

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[QUOTE=skinsguy;422560]Ok. Fair enough. But I'd probably add if we're going to dismiss college experience, then mentioning Mooch being a head coach in college would probably not apply to the argument either. [/quote]

The problem with saying that is the fact that hiring a college HC is not uncommon, and teams have had success with those kinds of hirings in the past. The point was Mooch had HC experience on some level, and having it in with a D1 college is common, Zorn had not been an HC at ANY level. The only coach we can compare to Zorn at this point (in terms of no HC experience, no OC/DC in the pros experience, and promoted from a lower coaching position) is Mike Tice. There might be more, but no one has [i]correctly[/i] identified anyone else to this point.

[quote]Either way, I think it's unfair to say the hiring of Jim Zorn is the worst move ever made in the NFL, when we haven't seen what the guy can do as head coach yet.[/quote]

I will agree with you on that...we won't know until a few years from now, and to jump out and say it this early is not wise.

[quote]We can say it's probably one of the more riskier moves, which is ok. [/quote]
True.

[quote]Didn't a bunch of Redskins fans complain about how conservative this team was?[/quote]

LOL, that's actually pretty funny. However, they were playing the interview process pretty conservatively, but you comment is still funny.

[quote]Zorn deserves a chance before the media, and fans who believe what the media says to be the gospel truth, slaps a scolding judgment on the team and the owner.[/QUOTE]

Part of my comment is that he doesn't deserve this chance. He deserves and earned the OC chance, not the HC chance...but since it's done and over with, and he's our coach, good or bad, you are right.

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I'll take Zorn over Fassel any day of the week. And I think he's taking over a Redskins team that needs plenty of work. The offensive line just isn't up to the level of some of the rest of the NFL teams. Everybody is giving Joe Gibbs too much credit for assembling a playoff team, but the fact is Gibbs was never the same coach that he was in the '80's and up to the '90's when he quit. There was too much hesitation in calling plays, and some of the plays were too conservative. Now Jason Campbell needs some more experience as a starting QB using Zorn's offense, but what I'm seeing is everybody expects Zorn to win right away. I thinl everything's going to be fine with Zorn as the HC, but he's not going to be perfect the first year. DS got it right!

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;421273]Not sure what to make of this, but check it out for yourself, seems very contrary to everything we've seen on Zorn so far... sounds like some douche with an axe to grind if you ask me:

[url=http://www.mercextra.com/blogs/kawakami/2008/02/11/jim-zorn-to-the-redskins-probably-the-worst-nfl-hire-of-all-time/]Jim Zorn to the Redskins: Probably the worst NFL hire of all-time - Talking Points with Tim Kawakami - San Jose Mercury News sports blog[/url][/QUOTE]

This is bull crap Zorn will do well and I don't think that Joe Gibbs was an OC and he certainly had never been a HC his first time around. If you are a fan of the Skins just wish the man and the team well if not then don't worry about.

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[QUOTE=texasskinsfan;423687]This is bull crap Zorn will do well and I don't think that Joe Gibbs was an OC and he certainly had never been a HC his first time around. If you are a fan of the Skins just wish the man and the team well if not then don't worry about.[/QUOTE]

It is bull...but Joe Gibbs was an OC, not just that but he was one of the best.

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[QUOTE=redwagonskins;421278]Um, aside from the obvious ire that the article will produce around here, can't Spurrier be tagged as a "worse" hire? ;)[/QUOTE]

Your right he was the worst of all in my opinion.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;421300]Only time will tell whether or not he's going to be a good HC. I'd would've rather had Fassel than Zorn. Hiring a HC w/out HC or OC experience is risk. Now we're about to hire a OC that's never even called plays? So we could potentially have a HC and an OC that's never called plays in the NFL?? Sigh...... Sorry but Fassel looks really good right about now.[/QUOTE]


Yeal I'll agree Fassal does look good right about now whereever he is as long as its not the HC of the Washington Redskins he really does look good.

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Let's just start the campaign to adopt the new Zorn nickname: PUPPET

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can we at least give the guy a preseason and a few reg season game before we commend him to dallas or hell whichever is worse???