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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;431749]I'm not even sure that we fired up Redskins1 for Hackett.[/quote]



Damn we could have at least done that. we fired it up for Archuleta and Lloyd[IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon10.gif[/IMG]

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;431744]plane ride and dinner what a date![IMG]http://www.thewarpath.net/images/icons/icon10.gif[/IMG][/quote]

The way I'm reading this situation is he didn't completely reject us, he just didn't accept our offer, or any other offer he's gotten thus far. He's doing his due diligence, visiting with all interested teams. We weren't willing to throw a pile of money at him. Obviously he's not exactly a hot FA or he'd have a team by now. I could see Carolina getting something done since aside from Smith and an old Mushin Muhammad they have nobody in the passing game. And Tampa has a lot of money to spend.

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*I* was not very optomistic about signing Hackett because it wasn't likely he was going to receive a max offer, and the team is not desperate for his services. Since we do have other options, him rejecting the teams offer is no big deal.

I like the approach, they offered him a deal they felt comfortable with, he rejected it so we move on. We're not begging, other opportunities will present themselves.

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[quote=Longtimefan;431761]I like the approach, they offered him a deal they felt comfortable with, he rejected it so we move on. We're not begging, other opportunities will present themselves.[/quote]
I like our approach also. It is nice to see us actually negotiating rather than immediately giving away the farm. I think we still have at least a 50/50 shot to get Hackett.

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[QUOTE=Joe Ribbs BBQ;428991]I would like to see Hackett before Bryant Johnson, just my .02[/QUOTE]

Same here, I just hope they do not overpay for him. Hackett's stats have been mediocre in addition his history of injuries. In the games he did play in last year he put up some nice numbers but if he misses half a season he will be of little help to the Redskins.

It is possible, with a change of scenery, Hackett has the potential to become a breakout star ala Santana Moss or he could be a bust like Brandon Lloyd.

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[QUOTE=Slingin Sammy 33;431766] I think we still have at least a 50/50 shot to get Hackett.[/QUOTE]


I dont think odds are that good....I think closer to 25% to land him...
He implies three other teams will match the Skins offer
Look at the coach's quote below

“This will all be up to him,” coach Jim Zorn told David Elfin of the Washington Times. ”We’re not going to risk it all to try to pay him. The financial package has to work. But if we have a chance to get him, we’d like to have him. He’s got two other teams plus Seattle that wants to match [his contract offers].”

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[quote=Bishop Hammer;431780]It is possible, with a change of scenery, Hackett has the potential to become a breakout star ala Santana Moss or he could be a bust like Brandon Lloyd.[/quote]Hackett/Lloyd is a poor comparison because they've had about as different a beginning to their respective careers as is possible.

I think you make a good point though in that Hackett has great per play production, but it's very hard to compare his production in Seattle to the incumbent guys to see where they are. He may only turn out to be the third receiver once we get him in here, and we have to offer him a contract with that fact in mind.

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[quote=GTripp0012;431828]Hackett/Lloyd is a poor comparison because they've had about as different a beginning to their respective careers as is possible.

I think you make a good point though in that Hackett has great per play production, but it's very hard to compare his production in Seattle to the incumbent guys to see where they are. He may only turn out to be the third receiver once we get him in here, and we have to offer him a contract with that fact in mind.[/quote]

Do you feel like he's gonna land here, if so why? We did offer him a contract and he passed on it, and off to Tampa he went for his next interview. From all report's after Tampa, then comes Carolina.

IMO I would have to consider him a long shot at this point. I would think Tampa has the money and doesn't mind overspending. Just my guess, my bet right now would be leaning toward Tampa landing D.J.

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;431831]Do you feel like he's gonna land here, if so why? We did offer him a contract and he passed on it, and off to Tampa he went for his next interview. From all report's after Tampa, then comes Carolina.

IMO I would have to consider him a long shot at this point. I would think Tampa has the money and doesn't mind overspending. Just my guess, my bet right now would be leaning toward Tampa landing D.J.[/quote]I'd give it about a 25% chance right now. Not very good odds.

Still some team is going to get him, and this is who Hackett is: he's established himself as a non-scrub, but Washington isn't exactly a place that is short on WR depth. If he progresses he may shoot to the top of the depth chart here, but he also may damn himself to obscurity here if he can't push Moss out of the way as the non-Cooley go to guy.

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[quote=GMScud;431757]The way I'm reading this situation is he didn't completely reject us, he just didn't accept our offer, or any other offer he's gotten thus far. He's doing his due diligence, visiting with all interested teams. We weren't willing to throw a pile of money at him. Obviously he's not exactly a hot FA or he'd have a team by now. I could see Carolina getting something done since aside from Smith and an old Mushin Muhammad they have nobody in the passing game. And Tampa has a lot of money to spend.[/quote]

What about Dwayne Jarret. Carolina drafted him high last year. You would have to think that they are develponig him behind Musin Muhammad.

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[B]After receiving an offer from the Redskins, free agent D.J. Hackett has decided to explore other options.
[/B]
He was in Tampa Bay on Thursday and will fly to Carolina for a Friday visit, assuming the Bucs can't keep him in town. The Redskins remain on the prowl for a big receiver, a necessity in their new West Coast offense.
[B]Source:[/B] [URL="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/03/bye_bye_brunell_1.html?nav=rss_blog"]Washington Post [/URL]

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[quote=angryssg;431987]What about Dwayne Jarret. Carolina drafted him high last year. You would have to think that they are develponig him behind Musin Muhammad.[/quote]

except they cut him, cause he's terrible and just got a dui. the NFL is a rough place for most 4.7 type WRs.

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[quote=That Guy;432007]except they cut him, cause he's terrible and just got a dui. the NFL is a rough place for most 4.7 type WRs.[/quote]

I didn't know that they cut him. He is still on the roster on their team site.
[url=http://www.panthers.com/team/Default.aspx?id=592&sortBy=title]Panthers.com - Player Roster[/url]

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I say let's just draft a WR in the 2nd or 3rd round

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[quote=angryssg;432009]I didn't know that they cut him. He is still on the roster on their team site.
[URL="http://www.panthers.com/team/Default.aspx?id=592&sortBy=title"]Panthers.com - Player Roster[/URL][/quote]

you're right, my bad. it was threat of a draft day cut and that they really aren't happy with him. that move has not actually been made though. so, i apologize.

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[quote=That Guy;432036]you're right, my bad. it was threat of a draft day cut and that they really aren't happy with him. that move has not actually been made though. so, i apologize.[/quote]


Is that what it was? I was about to say, the only person that they announced cutting was Justin Hartwig and before that was Deshaun Foster.

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Zorn know's Hackett better than anyone and he has not been exactly glowing in praise of Hackett. His comments about Hackett, or should I say lack of anything really good to say about him, make me wonder if he is worth even signing.

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[QUOTE=89moss89;432111]Zorn know's Hackett better than anyone and he has not been exactly glowing in praise of Hackett. His comments about Hackett, or should I say lack of anything really good to say about him, make me wonder if he is worth even signing.[/QUOTE]

when have you ever heard of a coach praising a player in the public? Parcells was fond of Keyshawn Johnson and got him to Dallas but he wasnt in the media on a daily basis praising him. If Hackett does not come here I do not think it will be because of his relationship with Zorn (or lack thereof), but because he does not feel he fits in with the Redskins.

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I know it's PFT, but the 49ers might cut Darrell Jackson [url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/15/49ers-bid-farewell-to-darrell/]ProFootballTalk.com - 49ers BID FAREWELL TO DARRELL[/url]

If Hackett goes for more money elsewhere, which is likely to happen. Should Darrell Jackson be given a chance in a Skins uniform? He was very productive when healthy in Seattle's WCO, and he'll likely have a very low price tag. I'm sure Zorn knows why Seattle traded him away in the first place and would know why to avoid him as well. But this could be it for him if he doesn't produce on his next team, so I imagine he'd be really motivated.

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[QUOTE=theJBexperience;432183]I know it's PFT, but the 49ers might cut Darrell Jackson [url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/15/49ers-bid-farewell-to-darrell/]ProFootballTalk.com - 49ers BID FAREWELL TO DARRELL[/url]

If Hackett goes for more money elsewhere, which is likely to happen. Should Darrell Jackson be given a chance in a Skins uniform? He was very productive when healthy in Seattle's WCO, and he'll likely have a very low price tag. I'm sure Zorn knows why Seattle traded him away in the first place and would know why to avoid him as well. But this could be it for him if he doesn't produce on his next team, so I imagine he'd be really motivated.[/QUOTE]

If we can get him cheap, then maybe use a late pick on a guy like Marcus Monk I would be fine with that.

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[QUOTE=theJBexperience;432183]I know it's PFT, but the 49ers might cut Darrell Jackson [url=http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/15/49ers-bid-farewell-to-darrell/]ProFootballTalk.com - 49ers BID FAREWELL TO DARRELL[/url]

If Hackett goes for more money elsewhere, which is likely to happen. Should Darrell Jackson be given a chance in a Skins uniform? He was very productive when healthy in Seattle's WCO, and he'll likely have a very low price tag. I'm sure Zorn knows why Seattle traded him away in the first place and would know why to avoid him as well. But this could be it for him if he doesn't produce on his next team, so I imagine he'd be really motivated.[/QUOTE]

Let me just digress for a moment here and say that all PFT did there was cite NFL Network's Adam Schefter. This isn't a PFT originated story.

So that's an example of PFT being good as a portal of information, but it shouldn't be confused with PFT taking the lead on going out there and scooping stories.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/14/AR2008031403767.html]washingtonpost.com[/url]

i was confused by this article, i thought that hackett rejected our offer

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[QUOTE=BeastsoftheNFCeast;432226][url=http://washingtonpost.com]washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines[/url]

i was confused by this article, i thought that hackett rejected our offer[/QUOTE]

They made him an offer and he didn't immediately accept. That's not the same as saying he rejected the offer.

He wanted to visit Tampa and Carolina as well, weigh all the offers and then give Seattle a chance to match.

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[QUOTE=BeastsoftheNFCeast;432226][url=http://washingtonpost.com]washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines[/url]

i was confused by this article, i thought that hackett rejected our offer[/QUOTE]

All that article says is that he went to other teams to get interviewed, doesnt even mention him not taking the offer.

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Apparently Carolina doesn't have room for him and with Jackson on the market our chances of getting him just went up 10 fold.

[url=http://carolinagrowl.com/SteveReed/archive/2008/03/15/hackett-leaves-town-without-offer.aspx]Hackett leaves town without offer[/url]

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I get what the article is saying, im just saying that im confused because i thought i remembered reading a few days ago (I think it was on PFT) that hackett turned down our offer, and this article says that he never turned it down.

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[QUOTE=BeastsoftheNFCeast;432277]I get what the article is saying, im just saying that im confused because i thought i remembered reading a few days ago (I think it was on PFT) that hackett turned down our offer, and this article says that he never turned it down.[/QUOTE]

yeah, it was PFT. And they were wrong. If I remember right they took what the Wash Times was saying about Hackett not accepting the offer so he could visit other teams to mean Hackett rejected the offer. Not the same thing at all. If I recall correctly, Andre Carter did the same thing when he was a free agent.

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[QUOTE=Dirtbag359;432267]Apparently Carolina doesn't have room for him and with Jackson on the market our chances of getting him just went up 10 fold.

[url=http://carolinagrowl.com/SteveReed/archive/2008/03/15/hackett-leaves-town-without-offer.aspx]Hackett leaves town without offer[/url][/QUOTE]

Hmm...this is interesting.
This says only the Skins have an offer out.
Makes me wonder why Tampa and Carolina didn't make one on the spot knowing he had 3 trips...
Speculating here but....I think it is one of 3 things...

1. They heard what the Skins offered and that combined with word Bryant Johnsons 1 year deal fwas only 2 mil + Darrell Jackson being cut, may have reduced there desire to match and walked away.....OR

2. They gave him a physical and felt his ankle may be a long term issue.

3. They don't want to be the first to up the ante only to be topped by another offer. (These teams held out to get a fair deal and don't want to drive his price up)

Anyone know if Hackett did a physical with either Tampa or Carolina?
If he did...and they didn't make an offer, I'd be worried.

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[QUOTE=skinsnut;432329]Hmm...this is interesting.
This says only the Skins have an offer out.
Makes me wonder why Tampa and Carolina didn't make one on the spot knowing he had 3 trips...
Speculating here but....I think it is one of 3 things...


Anyone know if Hackett did a physical with either Tampa or Carolina?
If he did...and they didn't make an offer, I'd be worried.[/QUOTE]

Good point, I didn't even think of it that way I just thought that Carolina and Tampa weren't interesting.

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[QUOTE=SeanTaylor21;432331]Good point, I didn't even think of it that way I just thought that Carolina and Tampa weren't interesting.[/QUOTE]


For this post, your autosignature should read, "an unexamined ankle is not worth signing"

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[QUOTE=skinsnut;432336]For this post, your autosignature should read, "an unexamined ankle is not worth signing"[/QUOTE]

Lol, I really just over looked the reasoning behind Tampa or Carolina not offering him a contract.

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i think it might just be, someone showed interest, and they figured they might as well take a look... maybe they didn't want to match our offer, or just didn't think he's what they need.

either way, it's win-win for us right now, cause we either get him at our price, or he goes somewhere else and we save the money without overpaying.

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[QUOTE=skinsnut;432329]Hmm...this is interesting.
This says only the Skins have an offer out.
Makes me wonder why Tampa and Carolina didn't make one on the spot knowing he had 3 trips...
Speculating here but....I think it is one of 3 things...

1. They heard what the Skins offered and that combined with word Bryant Johnsons 1 year deal fwas only 2 mil + Darrell Jackson being cut, may have reduced there desire to match and walked away.....OR

2. They gave him a physical and felt his ankle may be a long term issue.

3. They don't want to be the first to up the ante only to be topped by another offer. (These teams held out to get a fair deal and don't want to drive his price up)

Anyone know if Hackett did a physical with either Tampa or Carolina?
If he did...and they didn't make an offer, I'd be worried.[/QUOTE]

Would they give him a physical during this type of visit? I didn't think about this. I wonder if these two teams (TB and Carolina) are now leaning more towards Jackson. I mean, Chucky likes veteran players, and well I dunno exactly if there's a reason why Carolina would take Jackson over Hackett. I think the lack of offers would hopefully mean that we get to sign him for the economical price that we want.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;432352]i think it might just be, someone showed interest, and they figured they might as well take a look... maybe they didn't want to match our offer, or just didn't think he's what they need.

either way, it's win-win for us right now, cause we either get him at our price, or he goes somewhere else and we save the money without overpaying.[/QUOTE]

Very true, but how much would you consider overpaying him?

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[URL="http://www.heraldonline.com/247/story/429755.html"]http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Home_NFL.aspx[/URL]

I'd say $2-3 million is a fair price for Hackett, right? That's not overpaying him. The Skins should be able to swing that. Maybe, the FO really likes a few of the WR prospects in the draft?

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[quote=theJBexperience;432433][URL="http://www.heraldonline.com/247/story/429755.html"]http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Home_NFL.aspx[/URL]

I'd say $2-3 million is a fair price for Hackett, right? That's not overpaying him. The Skins should be able to swing that. Maybe, the FO really likes a few of the WR prospects in the draft?[/quote]
It seems like a fair price.

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more than 4mill per year is overpaying. (ie > 5 year 20mill) is probably overpaying.

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[QUOTE=That Guy;432352]i think it might just be, someone showed interest, and they figured they might as well take a look... maybe they didn't want to match our offer, or just didn't think he's what they need.

either way, it's win-win for us right now, cause we either get him at our price, or he goes somewhere else and we save the money without overpaying.[/QUOTE]

Well, looks like you were right about Carolina. His agent is currently working out the details of a contract with the Panthers. Doesn't necessarily mean he'll sign with them though. Could end up being nothing more than leverage.