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[QUOTE=KokoMike;456832]My how time clouds memory.

Let's forget Farve and put the magnifying glass on Campbell. It is time for Campbell to put up, get back on the bench or go to another team. He needs sot step up or step out.

Last year, the Redskins should have beat the Packers, but we lost 17-14. Defenses ruled the game.

Re stats, Campbell outplayed Farve.

Washington Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int
J. Campbell 21 37 217 56.8 5.9 3 7 1 1
Green Bay Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int
B. Favre 19 37 188 51.4 5.1 2 19 0 2

Look at the play by play in the fourth quarter. Both Campbell and Farve were poor, with ZERO points scored by either team and the Redskins losing by three. If you remember the game, it was bad offense and bad play calling in the fourth quarter for the Skins. Take a look if you can stomach the memory.

4th Quarter
Green Bay continued
2nd-9, GB11 15:00 D. Wynn rushed to the left for 3 yard gain
3rd-6, GB14 14:19 B. Favre incomplete pass to the right
4th-6, GB14 14:03 J. Ryan punt. A. Randle El returned punt for 4 yards. WAS committed 10 yard penalty
Washington - 14:03
1st-10, WAS27 14:03 C. Portis rushed to the right for 1 yard gain
2nd-9, WAS28 13:28 C. Portis rushed to the left for 8 yard gain
3rd-1, WAS36 12:47 C. Portis rushed to the left for no gain
4th-1, WAS36 11:53 D. Frost punt. C. Woodson returned punt for no gain
Green Bay - 11:53
1st-10, GB24 11:53 B. Favre incomplete pass to the left
2nd-10, GB24 11:47 WAS committed 13 yard penalty
1st-10, GB37 11:42 B. Favre passed to D. Driver to the right for 8 yard gain. D. Driver fumbled. K. Hall recovered fumble
2nd-2, GB45 11:07 B. Favre incomplete pass to the left
3rd-2, GB45 11:04 B. Favre incomplete pass to the left
4th-2, GB45 10:50 J. Ryan punt, no return
Washington - 10:42
1st-10, WAS13 10:42 C. Portis rushed to the left for 3 yard loss. C. Portis fumbled. A. Hawk recovered fumble
Green Bay - 10:42
1st-9, WAS9 10:42 D. Wynn rushed to the left for 1 yard gain
2nd-8, WAS8 10:06 B. Favre incomplete pass to the right
3rd-8, WAS8 10:00 B. Favre sacked by C. Wilson
4th-20, WAS20 9:32 M. Crosby missed a 38-yard field goal
Washington - 9:32
1st-10, WAS28 9:32 J. Campbell passed to K. McCardell to the left for 9 yard gain
2nd-1, WAS37 8:56 C. Portis rushed to the right for 1 yard gain
1st-10, WAS38 8:15 J. Campbell passed to K. McCardell down the middle for 21 yard gain
1st-10, GB41 7:40 C. Portis rushed to the left for 4 yard gain
2nd-6, GB37 7:03 J. Campbell incomplete pass to the right
3rd-6, GB37 6:57 J. Campbell passed to C. Cooley to the right for 4 yard gain
4th-2, GB33 6:43 J. Campbell passed to L. Betts to the right for no gain
Green Bay - 6:43
1st-10, GB33 6:43 D. Wynn rushed to the left for 5 yard gain
2nd-5, GB38 6:02 D. Wynn rushed to the right for 6 yard gain
1st-10, GB44 5:17 V. Morency rushed to the right for 2 yard gain
2nd-8, GB46 4:14 R. McIntosh intercepted B. Favre for 4 yard loss
Washington - 4:14
1st-10, WAS14 4:14 J. Campbell rushed up the middle for no gain. J. Campbell fumbled. J. Campbell recovered fumble
2nd-15, WAS24 3:54 J. Campbell passed to C. Portis to the right for 4 yard loss
3rd-19, WAS20 3:16 J. Campbell sacked by A. Kampman
4th-22, WAS17 2:44 D. Frost punt. J. Bush returned punt for no gain. J. Bush fumbled. C. Woodson recovered fumble
Green Bay - 2:44
1st-10, GB42 2:44 D. Wynn rushed to the right for 2 yard loss
2nd-12, GB40 2:00 D. Wynn rushed to the left for 5 yard gain
3rd-7, GB45 1:51 D. Wynn rushed to the right for no gain
4th-7, GB45 1:13 J. Ryan punt, touchback
Washington - 1:13
1st-10, WAS20 1:13 J. Campbell incomplete pass to the left
2nd-10, WAS20 1:08 J. Campbell sacked by A. Kampman
3rd-12, WAS18 0:38 WAS committed 5 yard penalty
3rd-17, WAS13 0:25 J. Campbell incomplete pass to the right
4th-17, WAS13 0:10 J. Campbell passed to L. Betts to the right for 11 yard gain
Green Bay - 0:10
1st-10, WAS24 0:10 B. Favre rushed up the middle for 1 yard loss

I'm a season ticket holder for both the Redskins and the University of Hawaii. I saw first hand Brennan win games that UH shouldn't have won. I'm waiting for Campbell to do the same for the Skins. If Campbell just plays an average game, we'll be an average game at best. I want to score more points and win. You guys can kick Brennan all you want, but when he does make it, I presume you will apologize publicly.[/QUOTE]

I'm struggling to grasp what you are trying to convey here. So you have chosen one game and transcribed the play by play. Is your point that Campbell played poorly in this game? OK, so did most of the offense. Is your point that Campbell needs to play better than this for the majority of next season to remain the QB of the future? OK, no argument there. That Campbell was marginally better statistically in a game in which both QB's struggled? Ok, whatever. That Colt Brennan is totally sweet? Fine.

But what does any of this have to do with this thread?

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mahalo to both of you. I love the Skins...been a fan for most of my life. I want to win. I'll be thrilled if JC takes a step up. I've been a little discouraged with his progress. Re, this thread, I've decided that Farve is not the right guy for this team. Aloha.

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[quote=SmootSmack;456472]Looking at Packers message boards, it's really interesting how many Packers fans (nearly all) are siding with Favre and not Ted Thompson. Makes you wonder how rabid Packers fans for the past two decades really have been. Have they just been rooting for Favre all this time?[/quote]

I have a lot of friends who are Packers fans and most of them are Packers fans because of Favre. He's been the starter since 1992 since before i even knew what football was, so imo i think most of the ppl who became Packers fans within the last 17 years is probably because of him, so I can see why a lot of fans are siding with Favre because he is what made alot of them Packers fans and they just don't want to let go.

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[QUOTE=jsarno;456833]How are you a season ticket holder for BOTH?

ps- I am a huge brennan fan, but this thread is not about him. mahalo.[/QUOTE]

Good question

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[QUOTE=KokoMike;456836]mahalo to both of you. I love the Skins...been a fan for most of my life. I want to win. I'll be thrilled if JC takes a step up. I've been a little discouraged with his progress. Re, this thread, I've decided that Farve is not the right guy for this team. Aloha.[/QUOTE]

I really don't think you'll find many people that will disagree with you here. I think we all know Favre will be a mistake. I believe it was schneed that pointed out that when Favre switches offensive schemes, he is not very good.
In regards to Campbell, on many games a lot of us were just waiting for him to take over a game, he was so close to it, so the glimpses he gave us are enough for me to be very optimistic about our chances this year, especially considering our new coach was a very good qb coach.

I am still curious as to how you can have season tickets to BOTH the SKins and University of Hawaii when Hawaii plays on saturdays, and the SKins play on Sundays. That's a difference of about 4500 miles.

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[quote=KokoMike;456836]mahalo to both of you. I love the Skins...been a fan for most of my life. I want to win. I'll be thrilled if JC takes a step up. I've been a little discouraged with his progress. Re, this thread, I've decided that Farve is not the right guy for this team. Aloha.[/quote]

To be fair I think we need to give JC until the end of this season before we can properly judge his progress. He's now got 19 starts under his belt, experts will typically say you need to give a QB about 30 starts before you know what you've got. By season's end I think we'll know if JC has what it takes to be a franchise QB or not.

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Next year the "experts" are going to say it takes 40-45 starts. JK

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[quote=Mattyk72;456890]To be fair I think we need to give JC until the end of this season before we can properly judge his progress. He's now got 19 starts under his belt, experts will typically say you need to give a QB about 30 starts before you know what you've got. By season's end I think we'll know if JC has what it takes to be a franchise QB or not.[/quote]I agree. He may not even be markedly improved over last year, but if he plays a full season, we should see some noticeable improvement.

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[QUOTE=GTripp0012;456892]I agree. He may not even be markedly improved over last year, but if he plays a full season, we should see some noticeable improvement.[/QUOTE] What makes you think he can improve. This is his first year in a new offense. We need to win [B]now[/B] and Farve helps that plus he knows the west coast.

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[QUOTE=vallin21;456896]What makes you think he can improve. This is his first year in a new offense. We need to win [B]now[/B] and Farve helps that plus he knows the west coast.[/QUOTE]

Why do we need to win now?

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Favre in DC would be a mistake. However it would give us the best chance to win right now. JC hasn't proven anything and Favre is still a very capable first ballot HOF.

I hate Marty for benching #28. BS...

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If JC can't win this year he should be bagged and tossed in the river.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;456897]Why do we need to win now?[/QUOTE]

because people are impatient. why else?

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Just want to add my 5 cents. There's not a doubt in my mind that Farve would lead us to the Superbowl. I don't think DS is going to pass. He's going to make it happen, some way, some how.

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[QUOTE=saden1;457416]If JC can't win this year he should be bagged and tossed in the river.[/QUOTE]

I agree, I like Jason, but my patience is running very thin with him. I would prefer that T.C started, he proved last year who was the better QB.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;458002]Just want to add my 5 cents. There's not a doubt in my mind that Farve would lead us to the Superbowl. I don't think DS is going to pass. He's going to make it happen, some way, some how.[/quote]

How,I mean he couldn't lead the team he's been on and with coachs he knows for years to the(back to) super bowl what makes you think he can do it with an O and terminology and personel he isn't use to?

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Just finished watching Giants at Packers NFC Championship game. Favre looked pretty darn good (and lucky) most of the game. I think the Packers are fools to not take him back. I'd take him over Eli or Aaron Rodgers any day of the friggin week!

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maybe zorn can hire him as a quarterback coach?

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[quote=Kalisto2010;458002][B]Just want to add my 5 cents[/B]. There's not a doubt in my mind that Farve would lead us to the Superbowl. I don't think DS is going to pass. He's going to make it happen, some way, some how.[/quote]
I think you're due some change back.

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At least now we can firmly say that Favre is definitely not coming here. Not with our current cap situation.

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No joke - JT sealed the deal on that one.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;458003]I agree, [B]I like Jason, but my patience is running very thin with him[/B]. I would prefer that T.C started, he proved last year who was the better QB.[/quote]After only 20 pro starts? I think you didn't have much patience to begin with.

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[quote=Luxorreb;458009]Just finished watching Giants at Packers NFC Championship game. Favre looked pretty darn good (and lucky) most of the game. I think the Packers are fools to not take him back. I'd take him over Eli or Aaron Rodgers any day of the friggin week![/quote]


I might have agreed with you before the playoffs last year but nope not now.

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[QUOTE=gibbsisgod;458035]After only 20 pro starts? I think you didn't have much patience to begin with.[/QUOTE]

Seriously...I don't understand some fans' aversion to letting a QB develop.

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[QUOTE=gibbsisgod;458035]After only 20 pro starts? I think you didn't have much patience to begin with.[/QUOTE]

How many starts she we give him before he's deemed ineffective? 30, 40, or 50?

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Two full seasons under the same offense, as the starter.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;458242]How many starts she we give him before he's deemed ineffective? 30, 40, or 50?[/quote]

By the end of this season we'll have a good idea of where we stand with him.

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[QUOTE=redskinsfanatic;458023]maybe zorn can hire him as a quarterback coach?[/QUOTE]

Well, I think the things that made Favre great, you can't teach. IE: Heart, tenacity, longevity. If you actually follow Brett, you know he makes a ton of dumb mistakes...meaning I would not really want him as a QB coach. Taking chances and throwing off his back foot were all monikers of his game that I don't want JC picking up.

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[quote=jsarno;458362]Well, I think the things that made Favre great, you can't teach. IE: Heart, tenacity, longevity. If you actually follow Brett, you know he makes a ton of dumb mistakes...meaning I would not really want him as a QB coach. Taking chances and throwing off his back foot were all monikers of his game that I don't want JC picking up.[/quote]I don't know if you can teach recklessness.

"Hey Jason, that last one was a sack you didn't need to take. Back in my day, we would all pop 12 vicodin pills before the game, and then right before I got drilled, I'd toss the ball in the air off my back foot in the direction of the tallest guy on my team. It worked pretty well for me, I suggest you give it a try."

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[url=http://ww3.startribune.com/vikingsblog/?p=1719]Access Vikings: » Blog Archive » Report: Packers have Favre’s phone records[/url]

Note to Brett Favre:

When you are trying to be sneaky and cut yourself a deal with the Vikings, don't call Brad Childress or Darrell Bevell on the cell phone the PACKERS give you.

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Mike Ditka said today that he would take Farve in a minute. The guy will fight to win, and that's the kind of mentality the Redskins need.

OK, ok. We're not going to get him. I know a lot of you guys love Jason Campbell, but I have a concern about that calm demeanor thing when he continues to make huge mistakes without any emotion.

Where's the fire in his belly?

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[QUOTE=KokoMike;458623]Mike Ditka said today that he would take Farve in a minute. The guy will fight to win, and that's the kind of mentality the Redskins need.

OK, ok. We're not going to get him. I know a lot of you guys love Jason Campbell, but I have a concern about that calm demeanor thing when he continues to make huge mistakes without any emotion.

Where's the fire in his belly?[/QUOTE]

Calm demeanor? Wasn't it after the first Dallas game that Campbell broke down in tears because he was so emotional?

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Some of the fiercest competitors in the league (and in my experience, life in general) are "quiet types". Histrionics does not equal either leadership or competitiveness. John Unitas, aside from his skills as a QB, was widely acknowledged as the leader of his team. He wasn't demonstrative, but no one, and I mean NO ONE, had any misconceptions as to who was in charge of Johnny U's huddle.

More recent example, Joe Montana - "Hey, isn't that John Candy". Also, according Joe Gibbs, Doug Williams (remember him?) had one of the calmest demeanors of any QB he had seen and found that to be one Williams' stongest attributes.

Not saying JC is in that league yet. But he may prove to be. Who knows 20 years we maybe saying... Damn, why can't we get another QB with ice in his veins like Campbell.

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if favre gets traded,it would have to be to an an afc team would'nt it?the packers are stupid if they just release him.he'll sign with the vikings and beat green bay in his first game.he'd savor that steak before consuming it.

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[quote=KokoMike;458623]Mike Ditka said today that he would take Farve in a minute. The guy will fight to win, and that's the kind of mentality the Redskins need.

OK, ok. We're not going to get him. I know a lot of you guys love Jason Campbell, but I have a concern about that calm demeanor thing when he continues to make huge mistakes without any emotion.

Where's the fire in his belly?[/quote]
How about the hugh mistakes Farve has made over the years throwing picks then just laughing it off as, Oh Well! He is far from perfect and while he has been successful he still has only won one SB. I can name 3 QB's not near as successful that has matched that record.

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Not wanting to start a new thread ,again the Skins are talked about.


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Reports: Packers are shopping Brett Favre

The Green Bay Packers have spoken to several teams, including at least one NFC team, to see what they would be willing to offer for quarterback Brett Favre, NFL Network reports.

The report did not indicate how many teams were contacted in what were termed 'exploratory' phone calls.

Sporting News contributor Mike Florio of profootballtalk.com reports that the Ravens were one of the teams the Packers contacted to gauge interest in Favre. The Ravens told Green Bay they were not interested, Florio writes.

One source speculated for NFL Network that the Packers are simply gauging what Favre is worth on the open market before deciding whether to try to trade him. Favre has said that he does want to play in 2008, and he asked for his release from the Packers, indicating he would be willing to play for a different team if Green Bay doesn't want him.

The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reports that other teams potentially interested in Favre are the Bears, Bills, Buccaneers, Chiefs, Dolphins, Falcons, Jets, Lions, Panthers, Redskins and Vikings.

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well, we have a young guy thats at worst average, and we have like 100k in cap space, so i doubt he's coming here.

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We have very little cap room right now. Anyone with half a brain would rule out the Skins after making the Jason Taylor trade.

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FYI-Jets get permission to talk to Brett

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3504613]ESPN - Sources: Favre, Packers weighing possible trade scenarios - NFL[/url]

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AND, now ESPN radio reporting that BF has requested reinstatement and plans to attend Training camp with the Pack