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I was at the game. I was embarrassed for our franchise. 30,000 opposing fans on Monday Night Football? Crazy. I've never witnessed anything like it at Fed Ex or RFK. Unreal. Perhaps we should move the team back to DC where we can only seat 65,000 devoted fans!? Not 95,000 w/ 30,000 terrible towels. It was totally terrible. I would never sell my tickets to unknown opposing fans just for money. If ya wanna make money why not invest in something a little more worthwhile! We were beat down on the field. And having a frenzied opposing fan base of 30 large in the building is pretty depressing if you're a player. We were 6-2 on MNF and people sell their tix? Atleast OBAMA won!

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Unfortunately for some people the ticket has become more important than the team. When someone would sell their seats to the opposing teams fans to save a buck or to try to keep a ticket they can't afford, they have become more a fan of the ticket than the team. The "SEASON TICKET" means more than anything else. That's why there is such a long waiting list. I think it must be a prestige thing because they're so hard to get. And they're hard to get because people hold on to them even if times are bad and a morgage is due and the kids need stuff....no wonder Snyder can charge what he does.

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[quote=53Fan;497994]Unfortunately for some people the ticket has become more important than the team. When someone would sell their seats to the opposing teams fans to save a buck or to try to keep a ticket they can't afford, they have become more a fan of the ticket than the team. The "SEASON TICKET" means more than anything else. That's why there is such a long waiting list. I think it must be a prestige thing because they're so hard to get. And they're hard to get because people hold on to them even if times are bad and a morgage is due and the kids need stuff....no wonder Snyder can charge what he does.[/quote]


Now with PSL's in the league and the time it takes and the money yes it's an investment,people can do with them whatever they want,it's just not a problem for the Skins,it's in every sport and with every team.

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[quote=tryfuhl;497889]
I think that the issue is, is that people are complaining about not being able to recoup losses.. that's not my responsibility if you're not attending the game. If you want to get in at face value, accept that other people may as well, even if only for a game or two. If I really want to attend a game, I'll pay a bit more because of the market/demand, but not because you (figuratively) feel ripped off by preseason game costs, etc. I don't see how ST holders can complain about that, they chose the tickets and I understand the want to hold onto them for when you can more easily afford it, but how is that my fault? I'm sitting on the waiting list in hopes that I'll be back in the DC area within a handful of years, if you lose a few hundred a year, that's the risk you took accepting ST's that you couldn't afford, right? So keep your tickets, but don't complain about how much people are willing to pay for them.[/quote]

It's everyone else thats complaining about the number of opposing fans. My point was, and still is, if Skins fans are able and willing to go and pay fair value, then this is not an issue. I'm not complaining about anything -- just trying to help people understand that most non-rich season ticket holders can't be selective and sell their tickets to Skins fans exclusively, when we need to sell to whoever we can to ensure we don't lose $100's on the games we cannot attend.

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[quote=firstdown;497697]I had several games last year on StubHub but as the game got closer they had still not sold at my cost of around $80 each. So I had to put them on craigslist on the friday before the game for like $50.00 each. Then the Skins fans came out and would offer me like $35 to $45 for my tickets.[/quote]

This is my experience. Everyone likes to spout some bullsh*t about "So many hardcore fans would have bought these things" That si crap. I have put tickets everywhere. Here, Ebay, Craigslist, everywhere. There are not that many people lookign to buy tickets. When it comes down to it there are just enough people out there willing to buy tickets and when Pitt fans are willing to buy them at 200 and no Skins fan wants pay more than face then what the hell does everyone think is going to happen? This notion that there are so many suffering fans just unable to find a way to get tickets is crap. There are a million ways to get tickets so when 30,000 Pitt fans show up it isn't because sellout ticket holders sold them tickets it is because sellout fans were too cheap to buy them instead.

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[quote=firstdown;497801]Redskins do not knownly allow ticket agencies to own the tickets from what I understand. What happens is that ticket holders sell their tickets on their own or they sell them as a package to theses ticket agencies. I read last year or maybe the year before that the Skins try to track who is using their tickets and who is just selling them off each year. they are not going after the guy who uses his tickets but sells off a few games rather they want to go after the person who never attends the games and just sells their tickets. Its hard for them to track but the article did say they were slowly finding these people and revoking their tickets.[/quote]

It amazes me that ticket agencies even want redskins tickets...because trust me...with 93,000 tickets available they are not money makers. The only game you can sell for profit is the Cowboys and an occasional big night game. Most games it's a struggle to get anywhere near face value back. I go to most games so it doesn't matter to me but I have sold some games before and I do know the market for them.

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[quote=celts32;498044]It amazes me that ticket agencies even want redskins tickets...because trust me...with 93,000 tickets available they are not money makers. The only game you can sell for profit is the Cowboys and an occasional big night game. Most games it's a struggle to get anywhere near face value back. I go to most games so it doesn't matter to me but I have sold some games before and I do know the market for them.[/quote]

Yeah I agree. If someone ever finds this magical market where Skins tickets sell for face to EVERY game then let me know because I take a bath on 4 out of 8 games a year if I have to sell them.

I am so tired of this illogical thinking. To me if you didn't buy tickets to the game you can't complain about who was there. Those in the stadium did their jobs as fans.

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I was at the game, and was embarrased. But the most embarrasing part is that the 30k Steelers fans made more noise than the 60k Skins fans. Lets face it FedEx is not a hostile place for visiting teams, we have the largest NFL stadium, right now, that place should be rockin on 3rd downs. If you leave FedEx with your voice, then you didnt do your job as a Redskins fan!

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[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/11/steelers_fans_stubhub_michael.html#more]Steelers Fans, StubHub, Michael Wilbon and You - D.C. Sports Bog[/url]

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I'll post this question then,if there are so many people on the waiting list ,why is it the're not the ones buying the seats for sale?

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[quote=Giantone;498124]I'll post this question then,if there are so many people on the waiting list ,why is it the're not the ones buying the seats for sale?[/quote]

For whatever reason there are a good amount of season tickets in the hands of people who don't go to ANY games. I said earlier in this thread that I don't know the actual season ticket holder for any other seat in my row. They have either been empty or were being used by someone new each time. For the life of me I can't figure out why these season ticket holders don't turn them in becasue I know for a fact that you can not make a profit selling a whole season of tickets in section 419.

As for waiting lists they are nonsense now...when I got on the skins waiting list in the 80's I had to put pen on paper and snailmail it to the redskins. Now a days it takes a click of a mouse...every skins fan in the world is probably on the fn waiting list. Don't get me wrong...the redskins have a huge fanbase...selling out a 93,000 seat stadium is evidence of that but unfortunately all 93,000 are not held by the most diehard fans.

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[quote=Giantone;498124]I'll post this question then,if there are so many people on the waiting list ,why is it the're not the ones buying the seats for sale?[/quote]

Exactly my point. It isn't like all these people went to a Pitt site and sold their tix. If Skins fans want to complain they need to start buying the tix THEN they can complain. Until then they are part of the problem. I know tix are expensive but buying tix to one game year isn't going to break the bank for a lot of fans. They ought to do that rather than bitch about the stadium or about fan attendance.

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[quote=Giantone;498124]I'll post this question then,if there are so many [B]people on the waiting list[/B] ,why is it the're not the ones buying the seats for sale?[/quote]

There is a very long period to wait to go lower level or else you can pay tailgate fees and there are a few select seats available at seasons end in the lowers.

However, the premium VERY HIGH dollar seats (Clubs/Dreams) There are some available now. No waiting list at all. I'm sure you know why....$$$$$$$$

With that said we are season ticket holders pay for 10 games go to 10 games period, and travel to do so. If you can't afford them and have to worry about flipping games every week I would suggest not buying them. There are alot of folks out there that can and would buy them and use them for every game.

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[quote=53Fan;498083][URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2008/11/steelers_fans_stubhub_michael.html#more"]Steelers Fans, StubHub, Michael Wilbon and You - D.C. Sports Bog[/URL][/quote]


This is pretty disgusting.

Given the nature of the beating we took, the national audience, the bye week we have to keep the foul taste in our mouth, and most of all the black and gold fandom overrunning or beloved home field.... Well that may be top to bottom one of our worst losses in years.

Maybe Zorn was subconsiously foreshadowing this game- after all, our team colors on Monday seemed to be Maroon and Black. Sigh....

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I still think this whole thought process is silly. at the HOF game we were "the greatest fans", now because another team a couple hours away, and with lots of local supporters, actually supports their team the We are "the worst fans". If the Skins had scored 2 TDs, the fans would have been rocking. And the pics would have been of the Steeler fans leaving hanging there heads. We lost, it went the other way. Don't turn it into some fight among ourselves...

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[quote=skinsfan_nn;498148]There is a very long period to wait to go lower level or else you can pay tailgate fees and there are a few select seats available at seasons end in the lowers.

However, the premium VERY HIGH dollar seats (Clubs/Dreams) There are some available now. No waiting list at all. I'm sure you know why....$$$$$$$$

With that said we are season ticket holders pay for 10 games go to 10 games period, and travel to do so. If you can't afford them and have to worry about flipping games every week I would suggest not buying them. There are alot of folks out there that can and would buy them and use them for every game.[/quote]
I'm sure there are plenty of people wanting season tickets that would go to most of the games but who has this list of people filtered out of the thousands wanting season tickets. No One. I did not sell games off because I could not afford season tickets I thought it was a waist of money to not seel them when I could not attend the games.

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from CapsNut

[url=http://capsnut.blogspot.com/2008/11/about-monday-night.html]Bleatings From a Caps Nut: About Monday Night...[/url]

[quote]
We'd venture it is pretty safe to say that a majority of Pittsburgh fans at the Redskins-Steelers game on Monday night were already living in this area. We can assure you that was the case of the Pittsburgh fan sitting right next to us in the seats that we own. No, we didn't bring our brother-in-law or our other sister's idiot boyfriend with us; [B]we donated our extra ticket back to the Redskins for a tax write-off: [url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Redskins_Replay_526.jsp]Redskins Replay[/url].[/B]

[B]So yep, through a program that the Redskins set up to help "children in need, people battling life-threatening illnesses, active military members and families coping with a traumatic situation" a fan for the other team got in for free[/B]. He certainly wasn't a child in need though being a refugee from Pittsburgh could probably qualify "as coping with a traumatic situation." The same thing happened with our extra ticket for the Saints game too back in September (though was it clearly a child sitting next to us.)[/quote]

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This wasn't fun to read, but you gotta admit Wilbon makes some good points about our fans, FedEx field, and NFL games in general.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/05/AR2008110504343.html]Michael Wilbon - Fan Depreciation At FedEx - washingtonpost.com[/url]

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I can't believe this went 10 pages.

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I can't either but apparently people want to justify selling their tickets to the opposing team. You must have struck a nerve.

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[quote=53Fan;498346]I can't either but apparently people want to justify selling their tickets to the opposing team. You must have struck a nerve.[/quote]
Actually, I think it is 50/50 people wanting to bash those who do, those who do making their points.

Either way, seems like the points have been made...

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See you guys Dec. 21! Ill be keeping warm at the tail gate party eating some delicious ribs :)

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[quote=PhillyFanInDeadSkinLand;498360]See you guys Dec. 21! Ill be keeping warm at the tail gate party eating some delicious ribs :)[/quote]

Bring a crying towel for McNabb and some bandages for Westbrook with you too.

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I just called the Redskins ticket office and picked up 2 club-level seats for the Dallas game. I go to this game every year, and it is extra nice knowing that these are at least two tickets that Cowboys fans won't snap up!

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[quote=PhillyFanInDeadSkinLand;498360]See you guys Dec. 21! Ill be keeping warm at the tail gate party eating some delicious ribs :)[/quote]


You need to worry about alot more then ribs ,jr!:spank:

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[quote=Giantone;498378]You need to worry about alot more then ribs ,jr!:spank:[/quote]

:lol: I like it!!! :woot:

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I am currently in my second year as a season ticket holder (sec 412), and I live in Anchorage, Alaska. My goal is to make it to four games per year, and I try to sell the rest. Last year, I was able to sell three games to fellow redskin fans here in Anchorage that could afford to make the trip. This year, I have had more trouble finding local buyers (mostly due to the economy) and have had to use Stub Hub. I sold my Steelers tickets there just last Tuesday. I looked at the cheapest seats in my section, knocked off ten dollars, and had them sold to someone in VA within four hours. I have no way of knowing who they were cheering for. I can say this though, when I went to the Saints game, I saw probably about half a dozen jerseys out walking around and we weren't even playing them!
When I originally purchased my tickets, I knew there was absolutely no way of being able to go to all of the games, but I was willing to put forth the money so that I could attend those that I wanted to. Last years Dallas game I could have sold my tickets for enough to pay for almost my whole season tickets. I did not. It was my first season and I would not have missed that game for the world! There is now way in the world that I could have afforded to attend such a game without having my season tickets. It is embarassing that there were so many steeler fans in the stands, but just as others have stated before, Redskin fans have the same opportunity as opposing team fans to purchase tickets from people like me are (regrettably) not able to attend, and they did not.
I am a long-time lurker here at the Warpath and I apologize to all of the fans here that my first post had to be in this negative thread. But hopefully this if just the first of many other positive ones to come.

Hail!!

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[quote=AKskins;498410]I am currently in my second year as a season ticket holder (sec 412), and I live in Anchorage, Alaska. My goal is to make it to four games per year, and I try to sell the rest. Last year, I was able to sell three games to fellow redskin fans here in Anchorage that could afford to make the trip. This year, I have had more trouble finding local buyers (mostly due to the economy) and have had to use Stub Hub. I sold my Steelers tickets there just last Tuesday. I looked at the cheapest seats in my section, knocked off ten dollars, and had them sold to someone in VA within four hours. I have no way of knowing who they were cheering for. I can say this though, when I went to the Saints game, I saw probably about half a dozen jerseys out walking around and we weren't even playing them!
When I originally purchased my tickets, I knew there was absolutely no way of being able to go to all of the games, but I was willing to put forth the money so that I could attend those that I wanted to. Last years Dallas game I could have sold my tickets for enough to pay for almost my whole season tickets. I did not. It was my first season and I would not have missed that game for the world! There is now way in the world that I could have afforded to attend such a game without having my season tickets. It is embarassing that there were so many steeler fans in the stands, but just as others have stated before, Redskin fans have the same opportunity as opposing team fans to purchase tickets from people like me are (regrettably) not able to attend, and they did not.
I am a long-time lurker here at the Warpath and I apologize to all of the fans here that my first post had to be in this negative thread. But hopefully this if just the first of many other positive ones to come.

Hail!![/quote]

Wow, you live in Alaska and make it to four games. I won't complain about driving from Fairfax ever again.

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To all the Redskin fans who don't have season tickets and either [B]did not want to go, or were not able to go[/B] to the Skins-Steelers game, it is your fault for all the Steelers fans being at the game, because you did not buy tickets from the ones who do have season tickets and either [B]did not want to go, or were not able to go.[/B] :doh:

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[quote=redskins411;498433]Wow, you live in Alaska and make it to four games. I won't complain about driving from Fairfax ever again.[/quote]

I guess I should explain a little bit about that. I work for the airlines, so getting there is not a big deal, so long there is an open seat (I fly standby). It does mean a minimum three day trip though, and that only if we go there for the game and no sight-seeing.

I'm not sure that four games is going to happen this year. I think that three is the best that I am going to be able to do. So far this year went to Saints and Browns; ate tickets for Cards and Rams. Dallas is out due to family reasons. Right now toss up between Philly and NY. Also slight possibility of Seattle away, we'll see.

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[quote=AKskins;498448]I guess I should explain a little bit about that. I work for the airlines, so getting there is not a big deal, so long there is an open seat (I fly standby). It does mean a minimum three day trip though, and that only if we go there for the game and no sight-seeing.

I'm not sure that four games is going to happen this year. I think that three is the best that I am going to be able to do. So far this year went to Saints and Browns; ate tickets for Cards and Rams. Dallas is out due to family reasons. Right now toss up between Philly and NY. Also slight possibility of Seattle away, we'll see.[/quote]
Holy shit man, I bow to you, easy arrangements or not!

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[quote=Giantone;498378]You need to worry about alot more then ribs ,jr!:spank:[/quote]

:goodjob:

We shall see. But lets leave that for monday's thread...

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Hope it doesnt happen at the Dallas game.............

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Like most emotional discussions the important question has been overlooked. Nobody has to answer to someone else about what they do with their personal property, and a ticket IS personal property. The question is.. does selling your ticket to opposing fans help the team? Does it take away from homefield advantage and therefore hurt the team? Fans have to answer that individually and to themselves.

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Mondays game was a total embarrassment for me and most likely tons of you redskins fans. I was in buffalo visiting my boyfriend (who's a die hard bills fan) and sitting there listening to the broadcasters talk about how "this looks like a steelers home game with all these towels" embarrassing..

i don't blame our loss on the fans tho.. our offense was facing the best defense in the NFL... and we didn't hit any plays right.



we got dallas tho

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Dont Sell Tickets To Dallas Fans!

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Ok, I have a great freind who I work with and he is a die hard Rams fan,anytime the Giants play them at home I take him,althought I am not ...I have one daughter who has strayed and become a Skins fan ,when I take here ....why is there a problem?

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God bless your daughter Giantone. It's good to know our sins are not passed on to our children and they can overcome the mistakes we've made in life.

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[quote=53Fan;499019]God bless your daughter Giantone. It's good to know our sins are not passed on to our children and they can overcome the mistakes we've made in life.[/quote]

Sometimes even Good Parents have bad kids!

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[quote=irish;497706]Its not that the Steelers fans travel, they already live in these places because they left Pgh in the 80s & 90s.[/quote]

This is so true. I live is a small city is southeastern North Carolina. 20 years ago this was Redskins territory. Back in those days almost everyone in North Carolina was a Skins fan. Skins memorabilia could be found everywhere from sports stores to Grocery stores to "quickie marts". Then along came the Panthers and that took some people away but it is still pretty much split among the natives and many of them follow both teams because they grew up Skins fans but the Panthers are now our local team. What has changed is the amount of Steelers Fans who have moved into our area. We now have two Sports Bars that are known as Steelers hang outs on game days but no such bars for either the Redskins or Panthers. There is a huge Steelers fan club that advertises in the local newspaper but no such thing that I know of for either the Panthers or Skins whom most of the natives follow. People down here are fanatical about their college sports(UNC, Duke, NC State Wake etc...) and aren't very tollerant of invading fans but when it comes to the NFL I guess people have just come to grips with the fact that there are a ton of Steelers fans and they are here to stay. They're like locusts.