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[quote=Darrell_Green_28;524828]what punter and kicker?[/quote]

Dave Rayner.. he's been on the packers, lions, jets, bengals and I think a couple other teams in the past 5 years or so.. he's a kicker but has punted before

I don't know of any sole punter we've picked up

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zac atterberry is the punter picked we picked up. The only signing that will stick is probably the return guy. This Rayney guy seems pretty bad he doesn't look like much of an upgrade from suisham

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If anyone is wondering, Haynesworth reportedly wants around a $16-18 million signing bonus, and upwards of $35 million guaranteed (of which the signing bonus would be included)

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[quote=SmootSmack;525530]If anyone is wondering, Haynesworth reportedly wants around a $16-18 million signing bonus, and upwards of $35 million guaranteed (of which the signing bonus would be included)[/quote]
Let him get it somewhere else. This smells like a potential Stubby situation. Let's just slowly back away.....

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If they sign Haynesworth all it will do is draw Dana stubbingfield comparisons as the guys career dwindles down faster than JT's did here.

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[quote=gaudiomatt;525545]If they sign Haynesworth all it will do is draw Dana stubbingfield comparisons as the guys career dwindles down faster than JT's did here.[/quote]

I doubt this is going to happen, so don't worry about it. There are teams other teams like the Chiefs who have tons of cap space and will be able to offer Haynesworth the money he is looking for.

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yea it won't happen the only one that might is Jordan Gross. I don't think they can afford suggs. Amazing how the one year our three bigges needs could be filled in free agency we have abosolutely no money. maybe god just doesn't like dan snyder.

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[quote=gaudiomatt;525551]yea it won't happen the only one that might is Jordan Gross. I don't think they can afford suggs. Amazing how the one year our three bigges needs could be filled in free agency we have abosolutely no money. maybe god just doesn't like dan snyder.[/quote]

Well Snyder and the team is paying for their mismanagement of contracts and re-negotiations. I think they are learning though, and hopefully they are more careful in the future.

I would love for the team to get Gross, I think he could give the o-line a big boost, especially if we can draft a couple of quality young offensive guards. Although, just like Suggs, Haynesworth, and Peppers, Gross is going to command big money in the FA market.

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yup however they only sign free agents who either cost a ton or are just incredibly cheap underperformers who don't show up. So we're probably going Gross or not doing anything with the oline.

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[quote=gaudiomatt;525562]yup however they only sign free agents who either cost a ton or are just incredibly cheap underperformers who don't show up. So we're probably going Gross or not doing anything with the oline.[/quote]

Well we've gone one offseason of not doing any outright stupid signings (you could make a case for JT, but I think that's just bad luck with his injury). That last outright stupid signing I would say was Lloyd. I still think Gross is going to be expensive and the team won't be able to afford him. Some other team with a lot of cap money may get him.

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Panthers will most likely keep Gross and let Peppers walk

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alright I got our offseason plans right here:
A) Cut Jansen, Daniels, Thrash, Washington, Springs (unless he takes a paycut, which I doubt)
B) ask jason taylor to take a pay cut or be cut, don't resign kendall unless we need him, like an injury during the season, ask griffin to take a pay cut or be cut, don't resign gholston, and ask smoot to take a pay cut.
C) RESIGN DeAnglo hall, especially if Springs is cut, retires, etc.
D) Go after which ever player the panthers don't franchise
E) SIGN Max Starks T from the steelers (usually plays right tackle, and very well, but was a left tackle this year since marvel smith was injured, but he faired well on the left side)
F) do NOT give campbell a contract extension until next offseason
G) Asuming we'll get a lot of compensatory picks like last year hopefully we'll get another 3rd, 6th, and 7th(s) (HOPEFULLY, this is not definite) TRADE our 13th overall pick and our regular 3rd round pick to detroit for their 20th and 33rd (2nd round) overall picks. and our draft should look like this

1) Peria Jerry Ole Miss DT
2) Duke Robinson Oklahoma G
3 (Compensatory)) Brandon Williams DE Texas Tech (led big 12 in sacks with 13)
5) Gerald McRath Southern Miss OLB
6) Jarrett Dillard Rice WR (some say we need another wideout some don't, I say take him because he had school, conference, and college records his whole career and plays a lot bigger than he is, and has GREAT hands, a sleeper of sorts, and if he's not at this spot then get Ramses Barden of Cal Poly who is 6'6 and grabs/jumps for everything, can also make spectacular catches, and doesn't get injured a lot like Malcolm Kelly)
6 (Compensatory)) Joe Burnett UCF CB/RS (whether he ends up a good corner or not, he is a hell of a returner, an All American, and youtube sensation)
7(Compensatory)) Greg Isander WVU G
7(Compensatory)) Pat MacAffee WVU K

your thoughts....

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We need to keep our first rounders anymore. More picks is nice, but you really see a drop off in starting potential after the 2nd- 3rd round. How many low end picks really pan out? Not a very good percentage!!! Sure it happens, but the odds are not in your favor, not they way we have been drafting as of late.

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[quote=SmootSmack;525530]If anyone is wondering, Haynesworth reportedly wants around a $16-18 million signing bonus, and upwards of $35 million guaranteed (of which the signing bonus would be included)[/quote]

How much is that in Wendy's, whatever they sell things?

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[quote=SmootSmack;525530]If anyone is wondering, Haynesworth reportedly wants around a $16-18 million signing bonus, and upwards of $35 million guaranteed (of which the signing bonus would be included)[/quote]

Pass...

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[quote=GusFrerotte;525605]We need to keep our first rounders anymore. More picks is nice, but you really see a drop off in starting potential after the 2nd- 3rd round. How many low end picks really pan out? Not a very good percentage!!! Sure it happens, but the odds are not in your favor, not they way we have been drafting as of late.[/quote]

Yeah that's how i see it: we need 1st round talent at either OT or OLB.

... I'm thinking we're going to need 3 definite starters (through draft or FA) at the following positions:

1) Right Tackle - shouldn't require any explanation here

2) OLB - rumor is Marcus is gone. We need a playmaker, someone who can stuff the run, be effective in coverage and blitz.

3) Left end - Neither Taylor nor AC is a good fit at left end. Daniels is just too risky w/ age and injuries so he's a guy i can't imagine we keep and Evans isn't dominant.

G/C may also be a must have depending on the status of Kendell and whether Jansen can successfully transition to the interior. So we've got a first round pick (who must be a starter at one of the said positions) and then 2 or maybe 3 other positions we have to fill. Bottom line: we have to be active in FA. [B]My question to all those more knowledgeable about who's going to be available in FA is who will be the best value at our positions of need?[/B]

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2009 Freeagents: [url=http://www.walterfootball.com/freeagents2009OT.php]WalterFootball.com: 2009 NFL Free Agents - Offensive Tackles[/url] - [url=http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=RB&y=2009]KFFL - 2009 NFL Free Agents[/url] - [url=http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html]2009 NFL Free Agents[/url]

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We need to get rid of a lot of these "good guys". By that I mean when we hear cerrato or larry michaels or zorn (and it used to be Gibbs) say "we'll ____'s real great guy" and this is when they're talking about Jansen or daniels or any of the other vets that we need to get rid of, the front office needs to understand that it's a business and not a " let's be BFFs forever" kinda thing. There better be at least 5 vets gone, if our front office actually cares about building a football team.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;525605]We need to keep our first rounders anymore. More picks is nice, but you really see a drop off in starting potential after the 2nd- 3rd round. How many low end picks really pan out? Not a very good percentage!!! Sure it happens, but the odds are not in your favor, not they way we have been drafting as of late.[/quote]


Ya but we still get a first round pick, we don't trade that away...but what do you think of the players I have us getting?

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My top 5 priorities


1. Cut Washington, Griffin, Jansen, Dainels, and Springs
2. Re sign Hall and Evans, let Kendall walk
3. Go after after a DT in FA, Suggs at OLB, and Jahari Evans at OG (RFA), and a CB like Ron Bartell from the Rams
4. Make J. Taylor take a pay cut if not show him the door
5. At 13 we should lok at both lines first, this all depends on what we do in FA. For example we're not going to draft an OT if we have Gross, we might trade down in the mid 20's and take Duke Robinson and get a few picks. On Defense we should be looking at 2 areas, OLB, DT. DE is not a pressing need (look at point 2) and DT and OLB depend on what we do in FA. In the third round I'd try to get a C to replace Rabach and in the later rounds look for quality depth on both lines.

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[quote=vallin21;525665]My top 5 priorities


1. Cut Washington, Griffin, Jansen, Dainels, and Springs
2. Re sign Hall and Evans, let Kendall walk
3. Go after after a DT in FA, Suggs at OLB, and Jahari Evans at OG (RFA), and a CB like Ron Bartell from the Rams
4. Make J. Taylor take a pay cut if not show him the door
5. At 13 we should lok at both lines first, this all depends on what we do in FA. For example we're not going to draft an OT if we have Gross, we might trade down in the mid 20's and take Duke Robinson and get a few picks. On Defense we should be looking at 2 areas, OLB, DT. DE is not a pressing need (look at point 2) and DT and OLB depend on what we do in FA. In the third round I'd try to get a C to replace Rabach and in the later rounds look for quality depth on both lines.[/quote]

you and me pretty much have the same ideas see my post on like page 9 of FA, Draft, cuts thread

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[quote=53Fan;525639]2009 Freeagents: [url=http://www.walterfootball.com/freeagents2009OT.php]WalterFootball.com: 2009 NFL Free Agents - Offensive Tackles[/url] - [url=http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=RB&y=2009]KFFL - 2009 NFL Free Agents[/url] - [url=http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html]2009 NFL Free Agents[/url][/quote]

Ahh, nice work bro.

... Gross is 29 and appears to be top of the list... i guess that's not the kind of "value" acquisition i had in mind being that our spending money will be pretty tight.

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[quote=53Fan;525639]2009 Freeagents: [url=http://www.walterfootball.com/freeagents2009OT.php]WalterFootball.com: 2009 NFL Free Agents - Offensive Tackles[/url] - [url=http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=RB&y=2009]KFFL - 2009 NFL Free Agents[/url] - [url=http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html]2009 NFL Free Agents[/url][/quote]

Actually the lists are a tad disappointing. Again Gross is no spring chicken and I think paying a truckload for him would be the same boneheaded strategy we employed before. But beyond him there doesn't appear to be much to choose from. My feeling is it's just a great year to draft ourselves an OT and one of the best four should be available (hopefully Monroe or Jason Smith).

OLB list isn't much better. Pretty sure i heard Suggs wants to stay in Baltimore and who he'll cost an arm and a leg. Leroy Hill sounds like an r-tard and he's a weakside LB anyway. What's the story w/ Michael Boley?

DE list is a surprise. EVANS IS THE HIGHEST LISTED END IN A 4-3 SYSTEM!!! I want to keep him but wanted an upgrade too. Maybe just not in the cards.

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[quote=The Goat;525694]Actually the lists are a tad disappointing. Again Gross is no spring chicken and I think paying a truckload for him would be the same boneheaded strategy we employed before. But beyond him there doesn't appear to be much to choose from. My feeling is it's just a great year to draft ourselves an OT and one of the best four should be available (hopefully Monroe or Jason Smith).

OLB list isn't much better. Pretty sure i heard Suggs wants to stay in Baltimore and who he'll cost an arm and a leg. Leroy Hill sounds like an r-tard and he's a weakside LB anyway. What's the story w/ Michael Boley?

DE list is a surprise. EVANS IS THE HIGHEST LISTED END IN A 4-3 SYSTEM!!! I want to keep him but wanted an upgrade too. Maybe just not in the cards.[/quote]

As for Gross I didn't realize he's 29, In that case I think that RT from Atlanta (Clabo) would be worth making an offer to RFA. He's 27, and would fill a need that we might not need to adress in the draft.

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If we want a new kick returner, this might be a good option

[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/justinmiller/careerstats?id=MIL366437]Justin Miller: Career Stats[/url]

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[quote=The Goat;525694][B]Actually the lists are a tad disappointing.[/B] Again Gross is no spring chicken and I think paying a truckload for him would be the same boneheaded strategy we employed before. But beyond him there doesn't appear to be much to choose from. My feeling is it's just a great year to draft ourselves an OT and one of the best four should be available (hopefully Monroe or Jason Smith).

OLB list isn't much better. Pretty sure i heard Suggs wants to stay in Baltimore and who he'll cost an arm and a leg. Leroy Hill sounds like an r-tard and he's a weakside LB anyway. What's the story w/ Michael Boley?

DE list is a surprise. EVANS IS THE HIGHEST LISTED END IN A 4-3 SYSTEM!!! I want to keep him but wanted an upgrade too. Maybe just not in the cards.[/quote]
Yeah. They really are. Unless your willing to break the bank on a top player, there isn't much of an upgrade out there at most positions. I think I would take a chance on Boley for the right price.

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All I know is that to bring in one of those old ass tackles would be a big mistake! We should only address the O-Line through the draft, and anything else should be through FA. The last thing we need is another injured tackle in the midst of the season!

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[quote=53Fan;525702]Yeah. They really are. Unless your willing to break the bank on a top player, there isn't much of an upgrade out there at most positions. [B]I think I would take a chance on Boley for the right price.[/B][/quote]

Man i don't know anything about him. I guess the million dollar question is will he play to prove something being he was benched in ATL (as it sounds like he has some talent). No doubt he'll be cheaper than the FAs above him.

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I don't know THAT much about him but apparently he has some talent and he's only 26 with 4 years experience. It looks like he's good for at least 3 sacks a year and an INT. I'm not sure what happened to him last year, but if he needs a fire lit under his ass, I'm sure Blache could do it. It may have been new coaching, I'm not sure,[B] but for the right price[/B], he may be worth checking out.

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[quote=vallin21;525696]As for Gross I didn't realize he's 29, In that case I think that RT from Atlanta (Clabo) would be worth making an offer to RFA. He's 27, and would fill a need that we might not need to adress in the draft.[/quote]

We could always take a look at Winston justice.

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There are 10 Good FA OT's this year.....6 of 10 have 5yrs or less in the league..
No reason we cant pick up 1 or 2 to solidify the line this year...Especially when 3 of them
have just come off a SuperBowl Victory .......We can use our 4 draft picks on a (OG/C) or 2 a LB,DE and a change of pace RB....I place a high priority on a OG/C prospects like Alex Mac in the first round after we trade down....Our DT spot will have to wait till next year Cornelius Griffin, Monty and Golston will all be back..look for an addition at DT from the Undrafted FA's pool


OT 1 Jordan Gross UFA 6yr 6-5/300 Utah Carolina
OT 2 Marvel Smith UFA 9yr 6-5/321 Arizona State Pittsburgh
OT 3 Mark Tauscher UFA 9yr 6-4/315 Wisconsin Green Bay
OT 4 Jon Runyan UFA 13yr 6-7/330 Michigan Philadelphia
OT 5 Tra Thomas UFA 11yr 6-7/335 Florida State Philadelphia
[COLOR="DarkRed"]OT 6 Stacy Andrews UFA 5yr 6-7/342 Mississippi Cincinnati
OT 7 Khalif Barnes UFA 4yr 6-5/325 Washington Jacksonville
OT 8 Willie Colon RFA 3yr 6-3/315 Hofstra Pittsburgh
OT 9 Vernon Carey UFA 5yr 6-4/333 Miami (FL) Miami
OT 10 Tyson Clabo RFA 4yr 6-6/314 Wake Forest Atlanta
OT 11 Max Starks UFA 5yr 6-7/337 Florida Pittsburgh [/COLOR]

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If they cut Washington, Springs, Taylor and Daniels we'll have a lot of cap space. I see no reason to keep them they don't perform for what they're paid. Pisses me off how vinny worships Springs yet the man won't play if he has a scratch on him.

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[quote=gaudiomatt;525781]If they cut Washington, Springs, Taylor and Daniels we'll have a lot of cap space. I see no reason to keep them they don't perform for what they're paid. Pisses me off how vinny worships Springs yet the man won't play if he has a scratch on him.[/quote]

Yeah I think that gives us about 17 million in cap room (remember we're starting 3 million over) and then after resigning our own players, including Hall, we'll be looking at about 7 or so million left over for FA. This is my best guess but I could be wrong. Anywho IMHO we need to address OLB first and foremost in FA (assuming we take one of the top OTs @13). If we're going to pay big dollars in FA this year it should be a OLB and Suggs would be the very best. He's an obvious upgrade over Marcus.

... i'm always starting to wonder whether it's absolutely necessary to replace Daniels if the FO is smart enough to cut him. Evans is serviceable and a big upgrade at OLB is arguably going to do us more good than a big upgrade at end. Anyway Peppers is probably the only potential big upgrade FA end anyway and he's not coming here.

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[quote]He's an obvious upgrade over Marcus. [/quote]

I wouldn't be so sure. Suggs was a DE in college, and has only played in a 3-4 scheme as more or less a stand up rusher. I don't think he's a lock to be a good 4-3 'backer. If we're looking at FA D players. Lets raid the AZ Cardinals. Both Karlos Dansby and Darnell Dockett are FAs, young, and beasts. Suggs has also openly stated he would give Baltimore a hometown discount.

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would love to get dockett he is a beast and a local guy at that

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Is dockett a free agent cause I didn't hear or see that anywhere... If he is, the cards will just franchise him... But the good news about that is that karlos dansby will be a free agent without the franchise tag, and last I checked, we need a young OLB.

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[quote=Nflnick11;525791]Is dockett a free agent cause I didn't hear or see that anywhere... If he is, the cards will just franchise him... But the good news about that is that karlos dansby will be a free agent without the franchise tag, and last I checked, we need a young OLB.[/quote]

just checked on dockett, and he is under contract through 2011 so that sucks

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[quote=Daseal;525784]I wouldn't be so sure. Suggs was a DE in college, and has only played in a 3-4 scheme as more or less a stand up rusher. I don't think he's a lock to be a good 4-3 'backer. If we're looking at FA D players. Lets raid the AZ Cardinals. Both Karlos Dansby and Darnell Dockett are FAs, young, and beasts. Suggs has also openly stated he would give Baltimore a hometown discount.[/quote]

I'm all for Dansby but Dockett isn't a FA.

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[quote=gaudiomatt;525781]If they cut Washington, Springs, Taylor and Daniels we'll have a lot of cap space. I see no reason to keep them they don't perform for what they're paid. Pisses me off how vinny worships Springs yet the man won't play if he has a scratch on him.[/quote]

If these guys played on teams other than the Skins and where available as FA's would we go after any of them. Just a thought. I don't like the idea of cutting Taylor.

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[quote=Daseal;525784]I wouldn't be so sure. Suggs was a DE in college, and has only played in a 3-4 scheme as more or less a stand up rusher. I don't think he's a lock to be a good 4-3 'backer. If we're looking at FA D players. Lets raid the AZ Cardinals. Both Karlos Dansby and Darnell Dockett are FAs, young, and beasts. Suggs has also openly stated he would give Baltimore a hometown discount.[/quote]

Good points on Suggs... i know he's not proven in the 4-3 system but you just look at the guy being a beast figure he'll be pretty good wherever he lines up, sort of how people view Jason Taylor but i think Suggs is much stronger against the run and an overall better fit for our system. If Marcus is on his way out for sure I'd prefer cutting Taylor and bringing in Suggs over letting Taylor "roam" all over as a OLB. Dansby could command a higher payday having played in the SB.

... we're going to have to dish out some major dough to upgrade the position through FA and i would just feel more confident w/ Suggs. A year younger and plays in a way tougher division than Dansby.