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[quote=The Goat;527958]Who or what is the source of the rumor that Rogers wants out of DC? I haven't heard anything before this thread, although it's been in the back of my mind that he might want to go play for Williams.[/quote]Rogers himself was the source, about three days after the season, when emotions were running high.

He never said he wanted out though, he was complaining (correctly) about not being a starter, and that it was disrespectful to his skills and that they might want to consider letting him play elsewhere.

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[quote=GTripp0012;527961]Rogers himself was the source, about three days after the season, when emotions were running high.

He never said he wanted out though, he was complaining (correctly) about not being a starter, and that it was disrespectful to his skills and that they might want to consider letting him play elsewhere.[/quote]

Now I remember but at the time didn't take it all that literally. I think he needs to be reassured like ya'll suggested. The strain or tension between he and Blache, or i guess Gray could be involved too, has to be remedied and it's Blache's responsibility IMO. There's something amiss here with this little drama scene and it's frustrating to not be in the know.

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[quote=GTripp0012;527924]I also have a lot of fun with the "he was badly misused in Oakland" point. Seriously? You can play across the field from the best corner in all of football and still be misused? If you can't be a decent corner playing across from the best in the business, where can you succeed?

Washington, I guess. But still, 7 games are 7 games.[/quote]

I don't think he was misused, he was just on a terrible team period. And as our own team has shown, one player cannot change a crappy offense or defense. I can name you another play whose numbers suffered by being in a terrible Raiders team, Randy Moss.

Our defense is not crappy, and a DB tandem of Hall and Rogers for a full year can make it even better. I don't think the argument should boil down to either Hall or Rogers, the team should strive to keep both, bottom line.

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[quote=The Goat;527964]Now I remember but at the time didn't take it all that literally. I think he needs to be reassured like ya'll suggested. The strain or tension between he and Blache, or i guess Gray could be involved too, has to be remedied and it's Blache's responsibility IMO. There's something amiss here with this little drama scene and it's frustrating to not be in the know.[/quote]

Wasn't Rogers originally sidelined for some kind of prolonged flu or something like that. Then Hall was brought in and played out the season. Maybe that's all there is to it. Hopefully Hall and Rogers are both starters for the Skins. Were going to find out soon enough.

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[quote=44ever;527966]Wasn't Rogers originally sidelined for some kind of prolonged flu or something like that. Then Hall was brought in and played out the season. Maybe that's all there is to it. Hopefully Hall and Rogers are both starters for the Skins. Were going to find out soon enough.[/quote]

I remember the flu as an earlier issue 44 but even later Blache had Smoot playing over Rogers. I honestly can't think of one thing Smoot does better than Rogers on the football field... i bet off the field Smoot can drink him under the table though LOL

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In one of the later games of the year, I remember Los getting beat on a pass at the end of the game and then complaining that the offense knew what the defense was doing. I remember turning to my girlfriend and saying " Oh S**T! That was directed right at Blache". I'm surprised no one else seems to remember this but things started going downhill for Los right after that.

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[quote=53Fan;527975]In one of the later games of the year, I remember Los getting beat on a pass at the end of the game and then complaining that the offense knew what the defense was doing. I remember turning to my girlfriend and saying " Oh S**T! That was directed right at Blache". I'm surprised no one else seems to remember this but things started going downhill for Los right after that.[/quote]

I seem to remember that play coming in the loss to Cinci... Los looked pretty bad and I wondered if he was already "underperforming" cuz of internal stuff.

He and Blache need to bury this hatchet if Los is staying in DC. One nice part about the B & G is that we don't have to deal much w/ the drama bullsh*t.

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Yeah he looked real bad. I agree. If that was what this is all about they need to get over this crap.

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[quote=The Goat;527972]I remember the flu as an earlier issue 44 but even later Blache had Smoot playing over Rogers. I honestly can't think of one thing Smoot does better than Rogers on the football field... i bet off the field Smoot can drink him under the table though LOL[/quote]

Yea I don't get it. As you said Goat, it's frustrating not knowing exactly whats going on.

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Donta and Hayden got signed. Looks like the market for Hall is getting better for him and worse for us.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;528034]Donta and Hayden got signed. Looks like the market for Hall is getting better for him and worse for us.[/quote]

The raiders are also about to tag asimoghua or whatever his name is... hall is now the #1 FA CB on the market. Skins would have been wise to sign him when he was cheap. he'll very likely cost several more M in garaunteed money now. i predict whoever signs him is going to pay him 7-8M/year.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;528045]The raiders are also about to tag asimoghua or whatever his name is... hall is now the #1 FA CB on the market. Skins would have been wise to sign him when he was cheap. he'll very likely cost several more M in garaunteed money now. i predict whoever signs him is going to pay him 7-8M/year.[/quote]

I hate to say this, but with the way the DB FA market is right now, it seems like we're going to have either Hall or Rogers, but not both. I'm sure regardless of what happens, ppl are going to complain about any decision made by the team on this matter.

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Apparently the Raiders might be backing out of tagging Asomugha, could be that they're close to a long-term deal. Who knows when it comes to the Raiders.

I think the Texans have tagged Dunta Robinson, if I heard right

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[quote=Ruhskins;528054]I hate to say this, but with the way the DB FA market is right now, it seems like we're going to have either Hall or Rogers, but not both. I'm sure regardless of what happens, ppl are going to complain about any decision made by the team on this matter.[/quote]

I don't see why we can't have both in '09. We can wait for Rogers until next year. If he demands a trade then we (might) have to think about moving him but our main goal is to re-sign Hall.

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[quote=Paintrain;527514]Getting rid of Rogers, who was universally regarded as an 'arrogant punk' by the people covering the team every day could [B]impact chemistry in a very bad way? [/B]

[B]It's so funny how people let their entire perception of someone be formed by what they hear in the national media.[/B] The hilarious thing about D. Hall is before he played for Bobby Petrino and had his on field blowup with him, there were no concerns about his attitude in Atlanta. He was widely considered one of the top CB in the game and expected to be an all pro for years to come. He plays for a coach that even Warrick Dunn (WARRICK DUNN!) had nothing but negative words about, then went to an even worse, more dysfunctional organization than the Falcons were and now he's a terrible, overrated CB who's a major character risk. Really?[/quote]

My point is getting rid of a guy that's paid his dues here & worked hard to come back from injury (Rogers) for a guy who plays half a season, needs a new contract & has a history of attitude problems, is generally bad for team chemistry. Honestly i wasn't aware of Rogers' being an "arrogant punk."

You assume that "my entire perception" is based on reports from nat'l media. Quite the contrary. I'm a Va. Tech alum & live less than an hour from VT, and a big fan of the football team. When Hall played for VT he had the same reputation, a selfish prima donna that divided the locker room. I heard from several people over the years that know players & coaches well, and their opinion of him is never good, aside from his talent.

Granted, I did not get info first hand, but I trust the people who relayed stories to me. Obviously, 99%+ of the opinions on this site are based on our limited perception of people who live somewhat public lives. If I waited for first hand info on everything, I'd never vote, because I've never met a president!

The last year Hall played at VT in 03, the team went from #3 in the country to losing a bowl game 52-49 & finishing 6-5 (pretty sure but not positive). The next year Hall left & the coaching staff made a point in camp of emphasizing team unity. That year they won the acc w/what most considered a less talented team. Not saying that Hall has to shoulder all the blame, but several people close to the team single him out for negatively affecting the team's chemistry.

The same behavior has continued in the nfl. Yes, I get most of my info. from the nat'l media, but there is a reason a guy w/so much talent at a vital position has been dumped twice (w/one of them being the ever dysfunctional raiders) & he's only 25!!!

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[quote=SmootSmack;528056]Apparently the Raiders might be backing out of tagging Asomugha, could be that they're close to a long-term deal. Who knows when it comes to the Raiders.

[B]I think the Texans have tagged Dunta Robinson[/B], if I heard right[/quote]

Yup, you are correct.

[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/02/19/texans-put-franchise-tag-on-cb-dunta/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Texans put franchise tag on CB Robinson «[/url]

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[quote=freddyg12;528058]My point is getting rid of a guy that's paid his dues here & worked hard to come back from injury (Rogers) for a guy who plays half a season, needs a new contract & has a history of attitude problems, is generally bad for team chemistry. Honestly i wasn't aware of Rogers' being an "arrogant punk."

You assume that "my entire perception" is based on reports from nat'l media. Quite the contrary. I'm a Va. Tech alum & live less than an hour from VT, and a big fan of the football team. When Hall played for VT he had the same reputation, a selfish prima donna that divided the locker room. I heard from several people over the years that know players & coaches well, and their opinion of him is never good, aside from his talent.

Granted, I did not get info first hand, but I trust the people who relayed stories to me. Obviously, 99%+ of the opinions on this site are based on our limited perception of people who live somewhat public lives. If I waited for first hand info on everything, I'd never vote, because I've never met a president!

The last year Hall played at VT in 03, the team went from #3 in the country to losing a bowl game 52-49 & finishing 6-5 (pretty sure but not positive). The next year Hall left & the coaching staff made a point in camp of emphasizing team unity. That year they won the acc w/what most considered a less talented team. Not saying that Hall has to shoulder all the blame, but several people close to the team single him out for negatively affecting the team's chemistry.

The same behavior has continued in the nfl. Yes, I get most of my info. from the nat'l media, but there is a reason a guy w/so much talent at a vital position has been dumped twice (w/one of them being the ever dysfunctional raiders) & he's only 25!!![/quote]

I don't get why people keep bringing up Hall's attitude. Have you ever thought he might have matured and realized he can't do the same stuff that got him a bad rep w/ATL? All his "so called" behavior problems came on bad teams ('07 ATL) with a coach who quit on his team in the middle of the season. Are you supposed to be the only reason they cut him in OAK is because he couldn't play man coverage. I'm not saying he's not a risk but I think he's matured and learned from his mistakes.

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[quote=SmootSmack;528056]Apparently the Raiders might be backing out of tagging Asomugha, could be that they're close to a long-term deal. Who knows when it comes to the Raiders.

I think the Texans have tagged Dunta Robinson, if I heard right[/quote]

Signed to a 3 year deal worth 45 Mill.

[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/02/19/asomugha-lands-complex-three-year-deal-with-raiders/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Asomugha lands complex three-year deal with Raiders «[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;528072]Signed to a 3 year deal worth 45 Mill.

[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/02/19/asomugha-lands-complex-three-year-deal-with-raiders/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Asomugha lands complex three-year deal with Raiders «[/url][/quote]

The price for Hall just shot through the roof. The skins are going to wish they had just given hall the 6 year deal with 16M garaunteed averaging around 7M/year when they had the chance. Now, its highly unlikely they can sign him to anything less than 8-9M/year garaunteed. he's going to walk.

Add to that the fact that we're trying to trade Rogers and Smoot sucks, it looks like Springs will be back for another year making an obscene amount of money for a guy who will likely play only half the games.

Unless we overspend on someone like Bly, its highly likely that we are going to have to use a top pick on a corner now. In any case, Smoot is going to be our #1 or #2 corner for the majority of next year... and we can push of helping the lines for yet another year.

Signing Hall early BEFORE the big money started getting thrown around was the #1 offseason priority for the skins and they blew it. Good job, Cerrato.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;528074]The price for Hall just shot through the roof. The skins are going to wish they had just given hall the 6 year deal with 16M garaunteed averaging around 7M/year when they had the chance. Now, its highly unlikely they can sign him to anything less than 8-9M/year garaunteed. he's going to walk.

Add to that the fact that we're trying to trade Rogers and Smoot sucks, it looks like Springs will be back for another year making an obscene amount of money for a guy who will likely play only half the games.

Unless we overspend on someone like Bly, its highly likely that we are going to have to use a top pick on a corner now. In any case, Smoot is going to be our #1 or #2 corner for the majority of next year... and we can push of helping the lines for yet another year.

Signing Hall early BEFORE the big money started getting thrown around was the #1 offseason priority for the skins and they blew it. Good job, Cerrato.

END RANT.[/quote]

Well who knows whether Hall's people were waiting for this or not. I guess Hall haters are going to be thrilled if he walks away. Damn.

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[quote=vallin21;528064]I don't get why people keep bringing up Hall's attitude. Have you ever thought he might have matured and realized he can't do the same stuff that got him a bad rep w/ATL? All his "so called" behavior problems came on bad teams ('07 ATL) with a coach who quit on his team in the middle of the season. Are you supposed to be the only reason they cut him in OAK is because he couldn't play man coverage. I'm not saying he's not a risk but I think he's matured and learned from his mistakes.[/quote]

Of course I have. I'm all for people getting second (& third) chances, and maybe he's truly changed. If you read my earlier post, you'll see why I disagree w/the statement that ALL his problems were w/a bad team in Atl. He has a longer history of it, and I believe his attitude was one of the reasons he was cut by Oakland.

I truly hope the dude has changed & would love for him to be the great cb he's capable of w/the Skins. I'm just not holding my breath on it

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Everything is connected. Letting Hall walk or signing him to an over-inflated price will have a trickle down effect that will weaken our entire team. Smart teams extend their own young starters before the price gets too steep. The Redskins FO is full of idiots.

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Can we just wait and see what happens with Hall before going batshit about it?

:doh:

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;528082]Everything is connected. Letting Hall walk or signing him to an over-inflated price will have a trickle down effect that will weaken our entire team. Smart teams extend their own young starters before the price gets too steep. The Redskins FO are idiots.[/quote]

Dude, why don't you wait to rant until something actually happens? Like I said, we don't know if Hall's agent wanted to wait for this deal to come through. You do understand that players and agents tend to do this, right?

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And to add there was never a contract offer made to Hall... JLC from the Post simply [B][U]speculated[/U][/B] what the offer would be.

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[quote=Mattyk72;528085]Can we just wait and see what happens with Hall before going batshit about it?

:doh:[/quote]

its a foregone conclusion now that he will either walk or we will overpay. every year salaries increase and new precedents are set that drives the price up for everywhere else. Hall is nowhere near the corner Aso is, but 15M/year and 26M garaunteed in the first two years is unheard of for a corner.

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Ok whatever. We'll see.

I'll save my breath for when there is actually something to talk about.

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[quote=Mattyk72;528088]And to add there was never a contract offer made to Hall... JLC from the Post simply [B][U]speculated[/U][/B] what the offer would be.[/quote]

Several days before JLC posted it, a reputable source on extremeskins said those were the numbers being discussed.

as to this talk being premature, possibly, but if we talk about it now, we're less likely to look for tall buldings and bridges to jump off of when it actually happens, haha.

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Well if someone on ES said that it must be true. I take everything back, we're so screwed.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;528093]Several days before JLC posted it, a reputable source on extremeskins said those were the numbers being discussed.[/quote]

Man, just let it go and wait until some type of concrete news on this matter comes up.

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Zorn says we wont sign Hall, before free agency. Oh Boy.
[url=http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/]Redskins Insider[/url]

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Zorn said he doesn't expect it, but didn't rule it out either.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;528100]Zorn says we wont sign Hall, before free agency. Oh Boy.
[URL="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/"]Redskins Insider[/URL][/quote]

Makes sense to me, let him test the market a bit. Unlike some here who think that Oakland's big signing will set the market & give Hall more leverage, I don't think many teams will be willing to go very high for him.

With a potential capless year looming & financial uncertainty in general, not many teams will be looking to shell out big bucks for Hall IMO. All he needs is one team to do so, but if someone wants to guarantee over 13mil for him I hope they let him walk.

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[quote=SmootSmack;528101]Zorn said he doesn't expect it, but didn't rule it out either.[/quote]

Funny how people see what they want to in articles. Happens all the time it seems.

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[quote=Mattyk72;528104]Funny how people see what they want to in articles. Happens all the time it seems.[/quote]

Didn't you know we're in panic mode, because Hall is either going to walk or we'll make him the highest paid CB in history. I talked to Vinny personally and he told me so. LOL.

I'm having too much fun with this. :smashfrea

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Sarge posts regularly on ES ya know.

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this D was pretty damn good before d hall got here, i'd rather pay los top ten cb money vs d hall.

id rather be fiscally responsible now and have room to make moves 2 years from now vs. giving hall a big payday then being handcuffed to yet another overpaid but contractually unmovable player (who may become a PITA non-team player).

this D was and is good with or without hall in there. why pay no 1 corner money to a no 2 corner. oh well, just gotta be patient and wait to see what happens.

go skins!!

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[quote=freddyg12;528103]Makes sense to me, let him test the market a bit. Unlike some here who think that Oakland's big signing will set the market & give Hall more leverage, I don't think many teams will be willing to go very high for him.

With a potential capless year looming & financial uncertainty in general, not many teams will be looking to shell out big bucks for Hall IMO. All he needs is one team to do so, but if someone wants to guarantee over 13mil for him I hope they let him walk.[/quote]

yeah thats kinda my thinking too. i dont see hall anywhere near the same class as aso. if he thinks he deserves top 10 cb money and wont accept anything less from us then let him test the market and get alil reality check.

go skins!!

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[quote=over the mountain;528109]this D was pretty damn good before d hall got here, i'd rather pay los top ten cb money vs d hall.

id rather be fiscally responsible now and have room to make moves 2 years from now vs. giving hall a big payday then being handcuffed to yet another overpaid but contractually unmovable player (who may become a PITA non-team player).

this D was and is good with or without hall in there. why pay no 1 corner money to a no 2 corner. oh well, just gotta be patient and wait to see what happens.

go skins!![/quote]

Yeah good point, if Hall were to walk it's not going to ruin this D. We would still be ok with Rogers, Springs, and Smoot as our top 3.

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Well look at the bright side, it will be worth a 3rd round pick, in compensation for us next year. I think.