Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

I [B]seriously[/B] doubt we'll pick him but it's nice to have other teams think we will.

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Yes it is nice to have other teams think we will but we better not, we have bigger needs like LDE and OL

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;544882]Yes it is nice to have other teams think we will but we better not, we have bigger needs like LDE and OL[/quote]

I agree. Whoever we draft at 13 needs to contribute [B]THIS[/B] year, not somewhere down the road or not at all.

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[quote=GTripp0012;544756]In my opinion, what separated Brady in 2004 and 2005 from his down season in 2006 was less about who he had as a dominant receiver, and more about who he [I]didn't[/I] have to worry about screwing up the offensive rhythm. Branch, Givens, Troy Brown, Watson, Fauria, Tim Dwight, and Kevin Faulk were all above average receivers at the time in the system, and Brady really had two pretty great seasons back to back.

Ben Watson has been in incredible decline since 2006, along with Troy Brown, and Reche Caldwell/Doug Gabriel/Jabar Gaffney might not have been the best way to go that season. So that, I feel, is why Brady had a down year. I think it shows that he's not "bad receiver proof". He of course, reached new heights with the Moss/Welker tandem, so I think that only makes this case stronger.[/quote]

Well I would hardly call his 06 season "down." All those guys he was throwing to are average NFL wr's. Through all that he still managed 24td's 12ints and 3,500 yards and 61% completion rate and they were within one first down of going to the Super Bowl. That's pretty damn good and that just shows just how good Tom Brady is. If Jason Campbell could do that with the current group we have then there would be no Jay Cutler Mark Sanchez talk.

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[quote=53Fan;544889]I agree. Whoever we draft at 13 needs to contribute [B]THIS[/B] year, not somewhere down the road or not at all.[/quote]

In that case, it would mean we will have to draft on defensive side such as LB.. You may be right though, Redskins might go this way but I just find it difficult to waste an opportunity to draft a elite LT, that is if any of top 4 Ts is available.. Samuels might be able to handle being LT for maybe two years, but it doesn't stop the fact of aging player gets injured often.. It would be nice to have a back-up T to handle the position.. Draft a T, let Jansen, Heyer, and rookie T fight it out for RT.. Whoever plays the best, he wins that place.. Hell, if the rookie do very well in practices, enough to show coaches that he is ready to play then go ahead and pluck him into LT and move Samuels to RT, then we would have one of the best O-lines in NFL.. That is if Thomas do well this year, or one of our back-ups emerges.. Imagine what we can do if JC would be able to do with some times..

We should be able to find a good LB in 3rd round; I wouldn't mind if we trade some picks to move up to 2nd round (I prefer to trade down with our #13 but suppose if there was no trade partner) to draft a better LB if whoever is on our board (Snyder and Vinny's board) is available..

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I agree but honestly I doubt one of the top OT's will be available at 13. It's possible, but a potentially elite OT is valuable and hard to find. I think teams are more likely to gamble on an OT than some of the other positions. I don't think the FO would draft Mack at 13 though personally I would, so a tradedown is probably our only chance to get[B] him[/B]. I need to get over it but I can't help thinking about how much we could use that second round pick we gave up for JT. Maybe someone will trade up with us for Sanchez or someone else and we pick up another draft choice and find the best OT's were gone before the 13th pick anyway. Then we pick up Mack later in the first, Matthews, Maualuga, or one of the other good LB's falls and we pick him up with the other pick we got in the trade. And maybe I'll wake up in the morning and find Jessica Alba standing at the foot of my bed holding the 60 million dollar lottery check I won while I was sleeping. Man I can't wait until the draft gets here. I think we'll do[B] something[/B] to help our team. I just don't know if we'll do the[B] best [/B]thing to help our team. By the way GridIron26, just like you, I would love to see what Campbell could do without having to run for his life. :)

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[quote=53Fan;544920]I agree but honestly I doubt one of the top OT's will be available at 13. It's possible, but a potentially elite OT is valuable and hard to find. I think teams are more likely to gamble on an OT than some of the other positions. I don't think the FO would draft Mack at 13 though personally I would, so a tradedown is probably our only chance to get[B] him[/B]. I need to get over it but I can't help thinking about how much we could use that second round pick we gave up for JT. Maybe someone will trade up with us for Sanchez or someone else and we pick up another draft choice and find the best OT's were gone before the 13th pick anyway. Then we pick up Mack later in the first, Matthews, Maualuga, or one of the other good LB's falls and we pick him up with the other pick we got in the trade. [B]And maybe I'll wake up in the morning and find Jessica Alba standing at the foot of my bed holding the 60 million dollar lottery check I won while I was sleeping.[/B] Man I can't wait until the draft gets here. I think we'll do[B] something[/B] to help our team. I just don't know if we'll do the[B] best [/B]thing to help our team. By the way GridIron26, just like you, I would love to see what Campbell could do without having to run for his life. :)[/quote]

:laughing- What a coincidence, she visited me early morning last week...didn't stay long though.

I have the same suspicion about our choice @ OT being limited. Sounds like the FO doesn't view Oher as a value @ 13 (I think he'll be there but we pass on him). I don't know, guess i just have to go w/ their scouting on this one. Britton and the other guys are probably a reach @ 13...so yeah defense may be the 1st pick. DE? LB? Hard to say. Rey would surprise me now quite a bit.

...altogether I think the FO has been real smart to keep the chips off the table since our early flurry (apart from the friggin Cutler debacle). I mean there should be some nice talent come available in FA after the draft, value opportunities for sure at OL i'm thinking.

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[quote=53Fan;544920]I agree but honestly I doubt one of the top OT's will be available at 13. It's possible, but a potentially elite OT is valuable and hard to find. I think teams are more likely to gamble on an OT than some of the other positions. I don't think the FO would draft Mack at 13 though personally I would, so a tradedown is probably our only chance to get[B] him[/B]. I need to get over it but I can't help thinking about how much we could use that second round pick we gave up for JT. Maybe someone will trade up with us for Sanchez or someone else and we pick up another draft choice and find the best OT's were gone before the 13th pick anyway. Then we pick up Mack later in the first, Matthews, Maualuga, or one of the other good LB's falls and we pick him up with the other pick we got in the trade. And maybe I'll wake up in the morning and find Jessica Alba standing at the foot of my bed holding the 60 million dollar lottery check I won while I was sleeping. Man I can't wait until the draft gets here. I think we'll do[B] something[/B] to help our team. I just don't know if we'll do the[B] best [/B]thing to help our team. By the way GridIron26, just like you, [B]I would love to see what Campbell could do without having to run for his life. :)[/B][/quote]

Yes. The comparisons made in posts above about Tom Brady getting it done with mediocre wide receivers obscure one fact: the Pats are very good at keeping Brady upright. This gives middling receivers a chance to break open. JC has not enjoyed this luxury. Let's see JC get some real pass protection. Then, if he doesn't get it done, at that point he can be unfavorably compared to Brady.

Despite Mel Kiper's brilliance (sarcasm), Nancy Reagan says, "Just say no to Mark Sanchez." Feed the front please, Vinny.

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I don't know for sure, but the impression I got here (meaning here at work) was that Kiper (as of two days ago) thought Sanchez would be the 13th pick, but not necessarily picked by the Redskins at 13.

Regardless, he'll change his pick again in two weeks

Plus, I don't think Sanchez makes it past 10 anyway.

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[quote=SmootSmack;544933]I don't know for sure, but the impression I got here (meaning here at work) was that Kiper (as of two days ago) thought Sanchez would be the 13th pick, but not necessarily picked by the Redskins at 13.

Regardless, he'll change his pick again in two weeks

Plus, I don't think Sanchez makes it past 10 anyway.[/quote]

That's good point, Kiper did pick Sanchez to be gone at #13 but he did not emphasize Redskins as primary taker.. I saw it on espn

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[quote=The Goat;544926] I have the same suspicion about our choice @ OT being limited. [B] Sounds like the FO doesn't view Oher as a value @ 13 (I think he'll be there but we pass on him). [/B]I don't know, guess i just have to go w/ their scouting on this one. Britton and the other guys are probably a reach @ 13...so yeah defense may be the 1st pick. DE? LB? Hard to say. Rey would surprise me now quite a bit.[/quote]

I certainly hope that is not the case; although Oher may be slow learner or whatever that is holding him back, it is perfect reason for us to draft him.. We already have solidified LT in Samuels for two years or so, it would be perfect timing for Oher to jump into LT after he spends a year or so in our O system and is ready to play.. Some scouts spoke Oher in same breath with Odgen and Pace.. How can you pass an opportunity like that?

Granted, there are chances of Oher not blossoming into Pace-alike but at least we would not have to worry about our O-line for a while (unless we continue to do nothing at C)

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Hey fellow Redskins fans, I'm new to the Warpath as far as replying to posts. Why do some Redskins fans or the the front office think that we need to change our starting QB again. Here are a few QB's that use to play for the Redskins ( Gus F. Trent Green, Brad Johnson, Pat Ramsey, Rich Gannon, Jeff George etc...) I think couple of these QB went to the Super Bowl and even had nice careers. Did the Ravens have a franchise QB in Dilfer and T. Banks ( Ex Redskin) when they won the Super Bowl? Did the Bears have a Franchise QB ( Grossman) when they lost to the Colts in the Super Bowl? Lets build our defense and O-line through the draft. Our Defense played great but they don't make enough game changing plays any more due to a lack of impact players such as Sean Taylor and Lavar Arrington. Lets stop trying to fined a so called Franchise QB and lets improve our defense to be Nasty like B-more and the Steelers. I live 45min. away from Los Angeles and I see USC games all season, I like Sanchez but not for our team cause we have QB that we have invested in so lets not give up on him so soon like the other former Redskin QB's we had. Lets Draft the best OL or Defensive Impact player.

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Does anyone remember when Giant fans were down on Eli Manning his 1st few years until they won the Super Bowl? The G-Men draft OL and DL and helped Eli. When your defense can make plays your offense doesn't have to press the whole game. Did anyone see the 49ers game? JC drove us down the field throwing and with his legs moving the chains. He got us in the end zone but our defense could not get stop which led to a game winning fg for 49ers. What about the Rams game, when our defense needed to make a stop but allowed a long pass to a rams rookie wr which lead to the gm winning fg. Folks our defense is good but not great. I would not be mad if we took USC LB Malauaga , DT Raji. The DE in this draft are weak or 3-4 type hybrids. The only DE I would take in the 1st round is Orakpo. Michael Johnson of Georgia Tech has all the tools but does he have the motor and heart?

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I like the way you think skins89moss! :goodjob:

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[quote=skinsfan69;544895]Well I would hardly call his 06 season "down." All those guys he was throwing to are average NFL wr's. Through all that he still managed 24td's 12ints and 3,500 yards and 61% completion rate and they were within one first down of going to the Super Bowl. That's pretty damn good and that just shows just how good Tom Brady is. If Jason Campbell could do that with the current group we have then there would be no Jay Cutler Mark Sanchez talk.[/quote]By down, I meant by his own standards, not below average or anything. Basically, "Which Tom Brady season (04-07) doesn't belong."

I think getting purely technical, I'd take the Pats' WRs of 04/05 over our current group. But ultimately, I hope no one is blaming Jason Campbell for not being Tom Brady. There's a lot of starting QBs in this league, at least 28, who will never enjoy the type of highs that Brady has reached. I do believe Jay Cutler is among those 28 (as of course is Campbell).

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I'd go O-line with our first pick. We have to address that.

Then maybe we could trade for a QB next season, depending on what happens this year. I think its pretty clear the top dogs dont care for JC.

Re: Mark Sanchez at 13th?
 

I am sure that it has been reported, but Mel Kiper believes that "his good friend Vinny is has something up his sleave". He went on to say he thinks that the Redskins are going to trade up to get Sanchez.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;544969]I am sure that it has been reported, but Mel Kiper believes that "his good friend Vinny is has something up his sleave". He went on to say he thinks that the Redskins are going to trade up to get Sanchez.[/quote]

The only thing worse than drafting Sanchez would be trading up to do so. That would be as boneheaded as DeSean Jackson spiking the ball before he crossed the goal line.

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Here's Kipers 2008 mock draft: [url=http://mymockdrafts.com/2008/03/08/mel-kipers-2008-mock-nfl-draft-reviewed/]Mel Kiper’s 2008 Mock NFL Draft reviewed | myMockDrafts.com[/url] He gets some things right and he's privy to a lot of information but his word is hardly gospel.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;544969]I am sure that it has been reported, but Mel Kiper believes that "his good friend Vinny is has something up his sleave". He went on to say he thinks that the Redskins are going to trade up to get Sanchez.[/quote]

:doh: Vinny does this i will go on Redskins hiatus...until he's fired. I mean i've never thought seriously about it before but I will not be able to stand watching for a while.

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[quote=53Fan;544981]Here's Kipers 2008 mock draft: [url=http://mymockdrafts.com/2008/03/08/mel-kipers-2008-mock-nfl-draft-reviewed/]Mel Kiper’s 2008 Mock NFL Draft reviewed | myMockDrafts.com[/url] He gets some things right and he's privy to a lot of information but his word is hardly gospel.[/quote]

Excellent link 53. By my count he got 7 picks right (less than 25%). He also had 6 picks in the first round who actually did not go until the second round, which shows his talent evaluation skills often are not shared by NFL front offices.

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[quote=Lotus;544998]Excellent link 53. By my count he got 7 picks right (less than 25%). He also had 6 picks in the first round who actually did not go until the second round, which shows his talent evaluation skills often are not shared by NFL front offices.[/quote]

Two of which were Malcolm Kelly and Devin Thomas.

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Sanchez at this spot would be another poor decision by the front office. With such enormous holes at OLB, DE and on the OL, how could they be thinking this right now? Better QB crop coming out next year if they want to go this route. We can win with Jason now, I'd say trade out of this pick, pick up more picks to address our needs...and forget about Sanchez, the guy really isnt that good for a 13th pick...........

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Is anyone else hoping the interest in Sanchez is just the Redskins trying to get a trade partner to trade down with?

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[quote=T.O.Killa;544969]I am sure that it has been reported, but Mel Kiper believes that "his good friend Vinny is has something up his sleave". He went on to say he thinks that the Redskins are going to trade up to get Sanchez.[/quote]

eff my life if this happens

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[quote=53Fan;544920]I agree but honestly I doubt one of the top OT's will be available at 13. It's possible, but a potentially elite OT is valuable and hard to find. I think teams are more likely to gamble on an OT than some of the other positions. I don't think the FO would draft Mack at 13 though personally I would, so a tradedown is probably our only chance to get[B] him[/B]. I need to get over it but I can't help thinking about how much we could use that second round pick we gave up for JT. Maybe someone will trade up with us for Sanchez or someone else and we pick up another draft choice and find the best OT's were gone before the 13th pick anyway. Then we pick up Mack later in the first, Matthews, Maualuga, or one of the other good LB's falls and we pick him up with the other pick we got in the trade. And maybe I'll wake up in the morning and find Jessica Alba standing at the foot of my bed holding the 60 million dollar lottery check I won while I was sleeping. Man I can't wait until the draft gets here. I think we'll do[B] something[/B] to help our team. I just don't know if we'll do the[B] best [/B]thing to help our team. By the way GridIron26, just like you, I would love to see what Campbell could do without having to run for his life. :)[/quote]


There is absolutely no reason to draft Mack at 13 if you can trade down and snag him later.

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[quote=skins89moss;544944]Hey fellow Redskins fans, I'm new to the Warpath as far as replying to posts. Why do some Redskins fans or the the front office think that we need to change our starting QB again. Here are a few QB's that use to play for the Redskins ( Gus F. Trent Green, Brad Johnson, Pat Ramsey, Rich Gannon, Jeff George etc...) I think couple of these QB went to the Super Bowl and even had nice careers. Did the Ravens have a franchise QB in Dilfer and T. Banks ( Ex Redskin) when they won the Super Bowl? Did the Bears have a Franchise QB ( Grossman) when they lost to the Colts in the Super Bowl? Lets build our defense and O-line through the draft. Our Defense played great but they don't make enough game changing plays any more due to a lack of impact players such as Sean Taylor and Lavar Arrington. Lets stop trying to fined a so called Franchise QB and lets improve our defense to be Nasty like B-more and the Steelers. I live 45min. away from Los Angeles and I see USC games all season, I like Sanchez but not for our team cause we have QB that we have invested in so lets not give up on him so soon like the other former Redskin QB's we had. Lets Draft the best OL or Defensive Impact player.[/quote]

non-reactionary logic, I kinda like it

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[quote=tryfuhl;545014]There is absolutely no reason to draft Mack at 13 if you can trade down and snag him later.[/quote] And if you can't trade down and don't take him at 13, you don't get him at all. It all depends on how much you value a high quality center who has the potential to be a pro bowl player for years. I would [B]prefer[/B] to trade down and take him, but if I could'nt, then I would take him at 13.

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[quote=Lotus;544998]Excellent link 53. By my count he got 7 picks right (less than 25%). He also had 6 picks in the first round who actually did not go until the second round, which shows his talent evaluation skills often are not shared by NFL front offices.[/quote]
could just mean that somebody in that organization had something different in mind

I can hardly fault a guy for making those decisions, doubt many people could do much better.. you never know what's going on in the FO's of a team, if they're gonna draft for need or BPA or what, it's not the science that some people make it out to be, he's gotta mock it and of course he won't get it all right

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[quote=53Fan;545012]Is anyone else hoping the interest in Sanchez is just the Redskins trying to get a trade partner to trade down with?[/quote]

That's what I'm hoping for

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[quote=tryfuhl;545017]could just mean that somebody in that organization had something different in mind

I can hardly fault a guy for making those decisions, doubt many people could do much better.. you never know what's going on in the FO's of a team, if they're gonna draft for need or BPA or what, it's not the science that some people make it out to be, he's gotta mock it and of course he won't get it all right[/quote]

Actually Kiper gets paid to talk to those FO folks and have some idea about what they have in mind. Otherwise ESPN is wasting the money that they pay him. Put differently, why should we read his mock drafts if he doesn't know any more than we do?

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The reason I posted the link was to show why, I for one, take what he says with a grain of salt. Just because he says it, doesn't make it so. If more than a couple of these guys say the same thing, there may be some merit to it. But Kiper is not the know-all, end-all of the NFL draft. NOBODY is sure who is going to pick who, except the guys making the picks. And even they don't know until they see how the draft falls. Nothings wrong with an educated guess, but it is what it is, a guess.

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Couldn't have said it better myself 53

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[quote=Lotus;545028]Actually Kiper gets paid to talk to those FO folks and have some idea about what they have in mind. Otherwise ESPN is wasting the money that they pay him. Put differently, [B]why should we read his mock drafts if he doesn't know any more than we do?[/B][/quote]That is the great mock draft conundrum, is it not?

Kiper's been at it for 25 plus years, so he knows what he's talking about, but it's important to point out that his mock's don't get historically more accurate with time. He's not working with insider information. He's working off his own player grades, and his personal interpretation of team behavior, which means that he has to take into account what he believes is and is not a smokescreen.

We do know that Vinny heavily values his input on draft grades. But there's no reason to believe that he got Vinny to cough up our draft strategy in exchange. That would be pretty criminal, and thusly, unlikely to have occurred.

If every team made their draft board public, Mock Drafts would be very easy and informative. The rampant speculation around this time of year tends to drain their value. You can mock a fantasy football draft with 300% more accuracy than you can hit the NFL draft.

There's reason to think we're interested in Sanchez, but not a lot of reason to trade up for him. If we were just going to take best available quarterback at No. 13, there would have been no reason to have the closed door meeting with Campbell.

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[quote=GTripp0012;545051]That is the great mock draft conundrum, is it not?

Kiper's been at it for 25 plus years, so he knows what he's talking about, but it's important to point out that his mock's don't get historically more accurate with time. He's not working with insider information. He's working off his own player grades, and his personal interpretation of team behavior, which means that he has to take into account what he believes is and is not a smokescreen.

We do know that Vinny heavily values his input on draft grades. But there's no reason to believe that he got Vinny to cough up our draft strategy in exchange. That would be pretty criminal, and thusly, unlikely to have occurred.

If every team made their draft board public, Mock Drafts would be very easy and informative. The rampant speculation around this time of year tends to drain their value. You can mock a fantasy football draft with 300% more accuracy than you can hit the NFL draft.

There's reason to think we're interested in Sanchez, but not a lot of reason to trade up for him. If we were just going to take best available quarterback at No. 13, there would have been no reason to have the closed door meeting with Campbell.[/quote]

I mostly agree with you.

But this Warpath conversation got started when Kiper was quoted in a previous post as saying that Vinny had a draft trick up his sleeve and thus Kiper predicted a trade up to take Sanchez. This would represent a claim by Kiper to have insider information about our draft strategy.

To me, Kiper has been flat wrong too many times in similar "insider information" claims that he has made. Therefore, for reasons you mentioned, I am inclined to disbelieve the trade-up-for-Sanchez claim which he made. I pray that I am correct in my disbelief but won't know for sure until the 25th.

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Was it Kiper that also said he thinks the Skins could trade out of #13 if Sanchez is there?

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Well if we use the #13 pick on Sanchez i will be smoking Hot. I think we use our 13th pick on a player thats has to start. I think this has got to be a smoke screen to get other teams to believe that we may take Sanchez. Hopefully a team that really needs a QB will want to trade into our spot and we can pick up some extra picks.I dont trust Junior QB's to come in an make an immediate impact. Please Vinny i hope you got this cause we are pulling for you to get it right.

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If Danny was watching SortsCenter this morning, we're taking Sanchez. That is, until they showcase another player next week. And then...

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I wish Danny/Vinny would listen more to the players around JC. From everything I've heard he's respected and our guys believe he can make things happen given the opportunity.

...if there has to be one "complaint" about JC i guess i heard or read somewhere he used to sort of mumble or lose his own voice in the huddle...maybe he wants to be a ventriloquist LOL.

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[quote=Lotus;544998]Excellent link 53. By my count he got 7 picks right (less than 25%). He also had 6 picks in the first round who actually did not go until the second round, which shows his talent evaluation skills often are not shared by NFL front offices.[/quote]
I am not saying that his final mock is different, but the mock that is shown was probably updated many times.