Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

Next year is going to be a crazy year for QBs in the draft. McCoy, Bradford, Tebow are all first rounders, and Grothe/Reesing could be second rounders as well.

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

[quote=GTripp0012;542433]Next year is going to be a crazy year for QBs in the draft. McCoy, Bradford, Tebow are all first rounders, and Grothe/Reesing could be second rounders as well.[/quote]

Ugh, so we start over with a rookie QB again? Awful prognosis on the horizon if that's the case. No way Tebow is a first round pick.

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

Whew, I am totally relieved..

As for Bears, it's kinda of interesting.. A good friend of mine is huge Bears fan; they do have good TEs in Clark and Olsen, Lloyd actually is playing much better than when he was at here and Forte - he's rising pretty good.. He was my fantasy as well, helped my team lot.. But this offense pretty much looks like our offense last year..

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

dudes, i can't believe what I'm hearing here....do you actually like jason campbell? he is so awful.

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

[quote=GTripp0012;542433]Next year is going to be a crazy year for QBs in the draft. McCoy, Bradford, Tebow are all first rounders, and Grothe/Reesing could be second rounders as well.[/quote]

True, but I think their plans all depend on this season.. If Campbell performs very well, they will give him a huge contract in return for all this attempted to trading.. If he doesn't perform that makes Danny happy enough, then I guess to expect us to draft one of the QBs next year..

I believe and hope Campbell will do good this year..

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

[quote=Paintrain;542434]Ugh, so we start over with a rookie QB again? Awful prognosis on the horizon if that's the case. No way Tebow is a first round pick.[/quote]There's no way every team passes on Tebow. I don't think there's any reason that Jason Campbell would struggle this year. I just think it's a situation we have to keep an eye on.

We could always waste the 13th pick on a bad QB, but that probably wouldn't prevent Campbell from having a breakout season. So we might end up with a Brees-Rivers situation. Except unlike Rivers, we wouldn't have a good player if we traded Campbell.

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

Hey a rookie QB in the fold isn't bad if we went for Bradford or McCoy. I mean Collins is going bye bye soon anyway, and who knows how the JC/Brennan show is going to go. I would go for those guys for 1. insurance and 2. depth. Or do you guys suggest we go for another Mark Brunnell?

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

[quote=tootergray34;542436]dudes, i can't believe what I'm hearing here....do you actually like jason campbell? he is so awful.[/quote]

If you want to put a number on it I had Campbell pegged as an 88.0 QB (90 ceiling 80 floor) rating type of guy in 2009. It's just with Cutler I thought we had the chance to get a guy that could go as high as 95.0 QB rating ceiling and a an 88.0 floor. as well as finally getting a guy that can finish drives. I also thought that Cutler would be able to put up a 1,000 more yards then Campbell.

In looking back thats my main problem with Campbell, in that he's had trouble finishing drives. If he improves on that and makes me look like a moron then great, it wouldn't be the first time I was wrong. And it's not like anyone besides Smootsmack will remember what you say.

Still I'm excited that my second most important unit will probalby get an upgrade come draft day, and if you haven't guessed I'm talking about the O-Line.

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

[quote=tootergray34;542436]dudes, i can't believe what I'm hearing here....do you actually like jason campbell? he is so awful.[/quote]

Were you saying he was awful halfway through last season? If you were, you might have been alone. Everyone was on his jock at that point. His struggles began when the O-line broke down (damn I feel like a broken record here). This will be his second year in the same offense for the first time maybe since High School. I am excited to see him play in this offense next season.

I'm so relieved Cutler is in Chicago and Campbell is still here.

Cutler is a bitch. Campbell is a baller!

HAIL!

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

Thank God for the Bears :headbange

So the next thread that starts going down the "Our FO is the worst in the NFL", Vinny sucks, Snyder sucks.....all I'll say is Bears & Cutler.

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

[quote=GridIron26;542435]Whew, I am totally relieved..

As for Bears, it's kinda of interesting.. A good friend of mine is huge Bears fan; they do have good TEs in Clark and Olsen, Lloyd actually is playing much better than when he was at here and Forte - he's rising pretty good.. He was my fantasy as well, helped my team lot.. But this offense pretty much looks like our offense last year..[/quote]

Chicago has always been a sort of surrogate team for me since I lived there for about 5 years (during the Michael Jordan years) so it's nice to see them have a chance to move up in the NFC North. Still I definitely didn't want Cutler going to an NFC team outside of us, but whatever. You do what you can to compete. If anything those Chicago recievers just saw their stats go up another 200 yards.


Heres the thing. If you're a good reciever you can get around 900 yards with good QB play (70-80 rating). If you're a great reciever you can easily put up around 1,200 yards (case in point Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin).

The right QB acan easily turn someone from a 500-700 yard guy into a 1,000+ yard guy. That is the impact of a great QB. I honestly believe that was the case with Eddie Royal and the rest of the Bronocs recievers not named Marshall.

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;542444]Chicago has always been a sort of surrogate team for me since I lived there for about 5 years (during the Michael Jordan years) so it's nice to see them have a chance to move up in the NFC North. Still I definitely didn't want Cutler going to an NFC team outside of us, but whatever. You do what you can to compete. If anything those Chicago recievers just saw their stats go up another 200 yards.


Heres the thing. If you're a good reciever you can get around 900 yards with good QB play (70-80 rating). If you're a great reciever you can easily put up around 1,200 yards (case in point Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin).

The right QB acan easily turn someone from a 500-700 yard guy into a 1,000+ yard guy. That is the impact of a great QB. I honestly believe that was the case with Eddie Royal and the rest of the Bronocs recievers not named Marshall.[/quote]


I think that is a problem JC has. Our best WR is a smurf!!!!!!

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

thank goodness for the bears.

any idea what our final offer was? I have a feeling we came within a few minutes of securing cutler

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

The Bears must have thought they were getting Tom Brady for that price.

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

Well now lets see campbell make big time leaps forward next year lol wow this will set us back! Campbell is not the answer sorry to say it but it's true.

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;542457]Well now lets see campbell make big time leaps forward next year lol wow this will set us back! Campbell is not the answer sorry to say it but it's true.[/quote]But hey, at least you can adopt the Bears now and enjoy their 7 win season.

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

Vinny and Danny have learned their lesson. They've realized the error of their ways and nixed this trade.

Thanks god Chicago gave up too much for this guy. He's good but that's a lot. I can't wait to hear VC spin this. I can hear him now brushing it aside like it was due dilegence.

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

Vinny wasn't really responsible for this though. He's been loyal to Campbell all along. Vinny is a football guy, but he's also a Snyder subordinate. This was simply a conflict of interest of the two.

Kudos to Zorn for hanging in there with Campbell, even though he very well could have been released by the end of the day.

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

[quote=redsk1;542459]Vinny and Danny have learned their lesson. They've realized the error of their ways and nixed this trade.

Thanks god Chicago gave up too much for this guy. He's good but that's a lot. I can't wait to hear VC spin this. I can hear him now brushing it aside like it was due dilegence.[/quote]and that the media blew everything out of proportion. What else can he say?

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

Did I say Thank Goodness yet! just want to say it one more time, I am glad Cutler did not come here. Not to mention JC's interviews and overall class act. Now, Let Zorn and JC get it going and hopefully prove their supporters right!

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

Jason Campbell is pretty much my favorite player in the NFL now.

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

[quote=GTripp0012;542464]Jason Campbell is pretty much my favorite player in the NFL now.[/quote]

Yeah seriously, I would love to see him blow the doors off the league this year and force Danny to open that wallet wide open.

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

[quote=gtripp0012;542458]but hey, at least you can adopt the bears now and enjoy their 7 win season.[/quote]

come on seriously, we won't be much better. There is a reason why chicago gave up so much for this guy he is a stud! And campbell isn't obviously denver didn't want campbell they took orton!! So when we have an average o again next season we will cut him and then what?? Colt brennan?? Or do we draft a qb this year... Again the skins won't have a franchise qb anytime soon.

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

[quote=Mattyk72;542465]Yeah seriously, I would love to see him blow the doors off the league this year and force Danny to open that wallet wide open.[/quote]If you were to guarantee me his health, I would say with 100% statistical confidence that it will happen. I just can't promise his Washington career won't end with his leg bending the wrong way.

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

[quote=Mattyk72;542465]Yeah seriously, I would love to see him blow the doors off the league this year and force Danny to open that wallet wide open.[/quote]

Word...I honestly can't think of a player, let alone a QB, who is more deserving.

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

[quote=Mattyk72;542465]Yeah seriously, I would love to see him blow the doors off the league this year and force Danny to open that wallet wide open.[/quote]

I would also. We will look back one day and thank the Bears for many years to come for paying more than our good senses would allow.

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

There's a number of things that I can say about this whole situation.

Jason Campbell has been treated unfairly, but whether he was staying with the redskins or going somewhere else - at least he was going to be given a starting role with a team and given a chance to show what he has. Whether it is unfair or fair - it appears the job of quarterback in Zorn's offense is to be the leader period. Whether he is put in a position to win is not the question; it's what he does with his situation. There's something to be said for being patient and for showing loyalty to a player for the team that you are rooting for - but I believe that you can show that you are a great player in one season, not three, not two, not one and half seasons - but ONE season. That's all it takes. I like Jason Campbell - but he needs to just do what he needs to do. I believe wholeheartedly that if you put in the work that the results will follow - so far the results have been 50/50, so the work put in...

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;542466]come on seriously, we won't be much better. There is a reason why chicago gave up so much for this guy he is a stud! And campbell isn't obviously denver didn't want campbell they took orton!! So when we have an average o again next season we will cut him and then what?? Colt brennan?? Or do we draft a qb this year... Again the skins won't have a franchise qb anytime soon.[/quote]The Bears, 1) didn't have anyone remotely of Campbell's quality on thier roster, and 2) Cutler would have been a disaster here (speaking relatively), and 3) they really overpaid for him.

Cutler is Campbell. He's white, a bit shorter, and more careless/aggressive. They're both good. I like Cutler. You never, ever give two firsts for a largely unproven QB. Just like no team should give two firsts for Campbell, no team should have given two 1sts for Cutler. Supposedly, we did offer that, and the Bears went over the top.

Let me ask you this, if Cutler was truly the next coming of Manning, why in the world would Denver give him up? He apparently isn't enough of a franchise QB to act like a spoiled brat, and still keep his job.

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

[quote=Mattyk72;542465]Yeah seriously, I would love to see him blow the doors off the league this year and force Danny to open that wallet wide open.[/quote]

i hope you guys are right

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

I didn't say he was going to be manning, but he is a top young qb and i doubt campbell is! Plus cutler had no running game last year and he still was a pro bowler.

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;542475]I didn't say he was going to be manning, but he is a top young qb and i doubt campbell is! Plus cutler had no running game last year and he still was a pro bowler.[/quote]Cutler had *fourth* best running game in the NFL last year, per Football Outsiders.

[URL="http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff"]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Football analysis and NFL stats for the Moneyball era - Authors of Pro Football Prospectus 2008[/URL]

No matter how you regard their work, you can't say his running game wasn't good. It was better than ours, in every way you could possibly look at it.

If you're saying he's a top young QB, I have to either 1) assume you ARE saying he's going to become what Manning is or 2) I have to point out to you that you're overestimating the limited difference between Campbell and Cutler.

Campbell will [I]always[/I] be a tier below Manning. I'm pretty sure Cutler's not getting there either. They are both franchise type Quarterbacks, and usually, the best strategy is to play with what you've got.

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

The scariest thing about this whole potential trade to me is the difference in opinion/value around the league between Cutler and Campbell. That we couldn't even get a 2nd round pick for JC is very odd and that they put Cutler's value at 2 #1's and a 3rd plus a QB is even more strange? Cutler may be a bit better than JC but is he really that much better?... or is the FO correct in assessing that JC is not the man and is just an average QB justified by the rest of the league as maybe a 3rd round value?
Im glad we didnt' overpay for Cutler and I am perfectly happy that JC hopefully will be our QB for the future. Not too mention he is a class act who has never been anything other than a professional by all means. Now if we can just block for him, catch some passes for him, and hope he gets rid of the ball faster this year! Good luck Jason

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

[quote=mrreddman;542478]The scariest thing about this whole potential trade to me is the difference in opinion/value around the league between Cutler and Campbell. That we couldn't even get a 2nd round pick for JC is very odd and that they put Cutler's value at 2 #1's and a 3rd plus a QB is even more strange? Cutler may be a bit better than JC but is he really that much better?... or is the FO correct in assessing that JC is not the man and is just an average QB justified by the rest of the league as maybe a 3rd round value?
Im glad we didnt' overpay for Cutler and I am perfectly happy that JC hopefully will be our QB for the future. Not too mention he is a class act who has never been anything other than a professional by all means. Now if we can just block for him, catch some passes for him, and hope he gets rid of the ball faster this year! Good luck Jason[/quote]Here's the thing, you should never underestimating the ability of football execs to misevaluate talent on other teams.

They're pretty close in skill. If you made me pick one, I'd take Cutler, but that's not the point. The point is, if you have the undervalued QB, you dont just naturally assume your assessment is wrong, you hold on and try to win with him.

The Redskins failed miserably at this today.

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

[quote=warriorzpath;542472]There's a number of things that I can say about this whole situation.

Jason Campbell has been treated unfairly, but whether he was staying with the redskins or going somewhere else - at least he was going to be given a starting role with a team and given a chance to show what he has. Whether it is unfair or fair - it appears the job of quarterback in Zorn's offense is to be the leader period. Whether he is put in a position to win is not the question; it's what he does with his situation. There's something to be said for being patient and for showing loyalty to a player for the team that you are rooting for - but I believe that you can show that you are a great player in one season, not three, not two, not one and half seasons - but ONE season. That's all it takes. I like Jason Campbell - but he needs to just do what he needs to do. I believe wholeheartedly that if you put in the work that the results will follow - so far the results have been 50/50, so the work put in...[/quote]
He has been treated unfairly how? His record is worse then MB and everyone is saying he was treated unfairly. Has he even had a winning season? I like the guy but I'm not against moving on.

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

[QUOTE=Mosely on ESPN]Campbell spent some time in head coach Jim Zorn's office this afternoon. It sounds like Zorn offered some reassuring words.

"That meant a lot to me," Campbell said, "to know that he's behind me and he's been behind me all along. You need to have that trust with your head coach because he's the one I'm going to be dealing with most of the time. I know that the coaches and my teammates are behind me. I trust them. That means a lot to me."
[/QUOTE]

KUDOS JC Glad you are staying

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

If anyone on this fourm didn't gain respect for Campbell today, not only do they lack football sense, they also don't understand human behavior. I always respected Jason Campbell the QB, but now, I have the utmost respect for Jason Campbell the human being.

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;542475]I didn't say he was going to be manning, but he is a top young qb and i doubt campbell is! Plus cutler had no running game last year and he still was a pro bowler.[/quote]

Cutler also had a much better O-line, a better receiving corps with a pro-bowler who happens to be taller than 5'9", not to mention a defense that was so bad they were throwing like crazy to catch up in games.

I don't have the exact stats in front of me, but Campbell was sacked like 3x more than Cutler. I wonder what Jason's numbers and our record would have looked like if you flipped those stats.

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

[quote=firstdown;542482]He has been treated unfairly how? His record is worse then MB and everyone is saying he was treated unfairly. Has he even had a winning season? I like the guy but I'm not against moving on.[/quote]fd, you're missing the point. He's done NOTHING (as defined as not one thing) to suggest he can't become a top QB as soon as next year. This organization just went balls out to bring Cutler in here. He didn't provide one sound bite to the media that suggests he doesn't want to be here. That's exceptional.

The fact that better QBs exist in the world is irrelivant. You don't trade in a quality guy like Campbell for whatever you can get.

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

[quote=GTripp0012;542477]Cutler had *fourth* best running game in the NFL last year, per Football Outsiders.

[URL="http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamoff"]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Football analysis and NFL stats for the Moneyball era - Authors of Pro Football Prospectus 2008[/URL]

No matter how you regard their work, you can't say his running game wasn't good. It was better than ours, in every way you could possibly look at it.

If you're saying he's a top young QB, I have to either 1) assume you ARE saying he's going to become what Manning is or 2) I have to point out to you that you're overestimating the limited difference between Campbell and Cutler.

Campbell will [I]always[/I] be a tier below Manning. I'm pretty sure Cutler's not getting there either. They are both franchise type Quarterbacks, and usually, the best strategy is to play with what you've got.[/quote]


[url=http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&offensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&conference=ALL&role=TM&season=2008&seasonType=REG&d-447263-s=RUSHING_YARDS_PER_GAME_AVG&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1]NFL Stats: by Team Category[/url]

THEY HAD THE 12TH BEST ACCORDING TO NFL.COM (MAINLY BECAUSE CUTLER MAKES PLAYS WITH THAT ROCKET ARM LOL)

AND IF JC IS A "FRANCHISE" QB THEN WHY HAVN'T WE RESIGNED HIM TO A LONG TERM DEAL? THAT SHOWS YOU THAT THE TEAM DOESN'T TRUST HIM! SO I HOPE YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT ABOUT JC AND HE HAS A GREAT YEAR BECAUSE HE AND THE OLINE WERE OUR OFFENSIVE PROBLEMS LAST YEAR AND WE ALL KNOW THAT!

Re: It's Over: Cutler Going to Chicago
 

[quote=GTripp0012;542485]If anyone on this fourm didn't gain respect for Campbell today, not only do they lack football sense, they also don't understand human behavior. I always respected Jason Campbell the QB, but now, I have the utmost respect for Jason Campbell the human being.[/quote]

No question. I said it earlier and I'll say it again- Cutler could learn a lot about how to handle adversity from Jason. I'm proud that our team leader handles himself with such character. Hell, Danny Boy could learn a lot from JC's stand up attitude.

I'm so relieved it's not even funny. I was in an AWFUL mood until a little after 5pm today.