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[quote=skinsnut;552251]This dude is WAY outta shape...he currently weighs about 410 pounds, according to Zorn. When he last played in the NFL, he was 360 pounds.

This is really bad news...there is no way this guy can drop 50 lbs in 2 months.
It is a shame...to bad he didn't get his lazy butt into shape over the winter.
I really doubt he makes the team[/quote]

I read an article where they had interviewed Williams or Dockery and Williams was mentioned but the story was about how he has been working out with Dockery and he's healthy. How he had played his rookie yr and got hurt at the end of it, tried to come back the next yr and could not then was let go and sat out all last yr. He's supposedly now back to his playing weight while in Buffalo and would like to lose 50 more lbs.

Then over the weekend I heard or read how he is like 410lbs and over weight. What gives?

When thinking about it JC and only having 1 3/4 yrs playing is kinda short. However I thought he had more then that. I keep hearing how JC has not had 2 yrs in the same system and this would be his first time. For whatever reason I thought he had 2 or atleast 1 3/4 yrs under AS. Did he not play 3/4 of a yr and get hurt. Then the next yr come back and play a full yr under AS? This will be his 2nd yr under Zorn. At some point I have to feel like Zorn does....JC is a proffessional, I'm sure his system changed from high school to college, he changed systems often in college, if anything all the changing has tought him to learn the plays faster and learn how to over come the fact of having to learn every yr.

Yes it would be nice to see JC play the same offense 3+ yrs to see what he can offer like Eli Manning. But you have to play with the hand your dealt. If nothing else it will make him a good Journey man. I like JC, I'm just concerned about his ability to read defenses and his 2min drill. Coach Zorn can find a way to play to the strenghts of JC. If all he's really good at is intermediate throws then give him intermediate throws mostly. Have him throwing short passes all summer to get him to learn how to finess the ball to the WR/TE.

Oh well my soap box. :)

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[quote=Mattyk72;552300]375 is where they want to get him down to.

As per Vinny's presser the other day yes he's over 400 folks for the 100th time. He's going to be working on conditioning for the next month to get him down.[/quote]

The added weight causes more injuries as well. This guy has gained weight at a crazy rate since college. I think he played at 375 in college too and that is why that size is the goal.

He was a beast in Texas but I seriously doubt this guy will bring anything to the table. Jansen sucks but at least he can move. I cannot visualize how large 400+ will look on the football field, but it ain't gonna be pretty.

Oline to me is still a huge concern with our center and RT. Also I am not sold that Thomas is going to come back and perform at preinjury level, especially at his current age. Perhaps Rinehart(sp) can step up, but I would be pretty upset if I were Buges.

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[quote=Mattyk72;552300]375 is where they want to get him down to.
[/quote]

Thanks. I think this is where I deduced he was 375

[url=http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/football/nfl/stories/042309dnspowilliams.3738cd0.html]The Colony and UT-ex Mike Williams hoping to come back to NFL | NFL News | Sports News | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas Morning News[/url]

[quote]Back in the day, Williams had a stellar all-state football career as a defensive tackle at The Colony and a terrific time taking out would-be tacklers and sackers as an offensive tackle at Texas. [B]At 6-6 and 375 pounds, Mike Williams did not allow a sack in his final two seasons as a Longhorn. [/B]

At times, [B]Williams, who says he is at his previous playing weight [/B]but might still like to shed 20 pounds, and the relatively svelte 6-6, 345-pound Dockery work out together in the gym. But when Dockery heads off to the Redskins training facility, Williams works alone. He says he hasn't missed a day.[/quote]

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I thought I heard this the guy is so out of shape he couldnt participate in workouts. I think I read he's still well over 400lb.

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[quote=hooskins;552352]The added weight causes more injuries as well. This guy has gained weight at a crazy rate since college. I think he played at 375 in college too and that is why that size is the goal.

He was a beast in Texas but I seriously doubt this guy will bring anything to the table. Jansen sucks but at least he can move. I cannot visualize how large 400+ will look on the football field, but it ain't gonna be pretty.

Oline to me is still a huge concern with our center and RT. Also I am not sold that Thomas is going to come back and perform at preinjury level, especially at his current age. Perhaps Rinehart(sp) can step up, but [B]I would be pretty upset if I were Buges.[/B][/quote]

One thing I would be curious about is the "pecking order" of the coaching staff. We know Buges is well respected, but he was from Gibbs, and not JZ. I believe we know that Buges is still in Rabach's corner, so maybe he is not as upset as us fans are.

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[quote=hooskins;552352]The added weight causes more injuries as well. This guy has gained weight at a crazy rate since college. I think he played at 375 in college too and that is why that size is the goal.

He was a beast in Texas but I seriously doubt this guy will bring anything to the table. Jansen sucks but at least he can move. I cannot visualize how large 400+ will look on the football field, but it ain't gonna be pretty.

Oline to me is still a huge concern with our center and RT. Also I am not sold that Thomas is going to come back and perform at preinjury level, especially at his current age. Perhaps Rinehart(sp) can step up, but I would be pretty upset if I were Buges.[/quote]

Well, Buges did get Dockery back and it's up to him to get the younger guys coached up and ready to contribute. The cupboard is not completely bare like some people like to think.

If Buges is upset it should be with the fact this was a pretty weak OL class.

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[quote=Mattyk72;552362]Well, Buges did get Dockery back and it's up to him to get the younger guys coached up and ready to contribute. The cupboard is not completely bare like some people like to think.

If Buges is upset it should be with the fact this was a pretty weak OL class.[/quote]

From what I understand Buges does have some input. Correct me if I'm wrong but from what I know if Buges really thinks a guy is special then we grab him. Zorn has a lot of respect for Buges and I'm sure gives him autonomy with his O linemen for the most part. If Buges honestly felt that there was someone in the draft (outside of the first since Orakpo was too high on our board) that was an upgrade to what we have, he would be a Redskin. Maybe just maybe our own guys are progressing? I guess we will wait and see

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[quote=cobracai1;552365]From what I understand Buges does have some input. Correct me if I'm wrong but from what I know if Buges really thinks a guy is special then we grab him. Zorn has a lot of respect for Buges and I'm sure gives him autonomy with his O linemen for the most part. If Buges honestly felt that there was someone in the draft (outside of the first since Orakpo was too high on our board) that was an upgrade to what we have, he would be a Redskin. Maybe just maybe our own guys are progressing? I guess we will wait and see[/quote]

I'm sure he did have input in grading the OL prospects. Vinny said in the 3rd they didn't have anyone graded as a starter on the OL so they went to other positions.

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Apparently no other team felt there was any OL talent available in teh 3rd either. After the Redskins selected Barnes no other OL was selected in the 3rd and only 5 were selected in the 4th so the redskins aren't the only team who felt there wasn't much OL talent in the middle rounds.

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[quote=Skinz4life;552388]Apparently no other team felt there was any OL talent available in teh 3rd either. After the Redskins selected Barnes no other OL was selected in the 3rd and only 5 were selected in the 4th so the redskins aren't the only team who felt there wasn't much OL talent in the middle rounds.[/quote]

Good point.

Again, a weak OL class.

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Well, it is no end of amusement for me to observe.....fans bouncing off the walls that the [B]Skins did not take an O-lineman[/B]....ESPECIALLY when it is an area of NEEEEEED.
??? Did fan think management was not aware of this? Did fan think perhaps he was just a little more shrewd than management? Did fan think all the sports training he had recieved working as a data analyst, beer server, manager, etc. exceeded managements experience and training? What did fan think?
Does management always make the right move.......no.

Do they know we need a O-tackle? I think they are.....aware.
maybe, Maybe, they could not find anyone worth the pick?
........relax

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Fan knows all!!

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[quote=Hog1;552444]Well, it is no end of amusement for me to observe.....fans bouncing off the walls that the [B]Skins did not take an O-lineman[/B]....ESPECIALLY when it is an area of NEEEEEED.
??? Did fan think management was not aware of this? Did fan think perhaps he was just a little more shrewd than management? Did fan think all the sports training he had recieved working as a data analyst, beer server, manager, etc. exceeded managements experience and training? What did fan think?
Does management always make the right move.......no.

Do they know we need a O-tackle? I think they are.....aware.
maybe, Maybe, they could not find anyone worth the pick?
........relax[/quote]

Well Put!! I have a feeling that people will still bring the same arguement up again though. Its easier to bash than to rationalize

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[quote=Hog1;552444]Well, it is no end of amusement for me to observe.....fans bouncing off the walls that the [B]Skins did not take an O-lineman[/B]....ESPECIALLY when it is an area of NEEEEEED.
??? Did fan think management was not aware of this? Did fan think perhaps he was just a little more shrewd than management? Did fan think all the sports training he had recieved working as a data analyst, beer server, manager, etc. exceeded managements experience and training? What did fan think?
Does management always make the right move.......no.

Do they know we need a O-tackle? I think they are.....aware.
maybe, Maybe, they could not find anyone worth the pick?
........relax[/quote]

Outstanding post!

I'll bet that none of us takes kindly to less-informed outsiders telling us how to do our jobs, yet that is precisely what many of us (me included) do every day on the Warpath.

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Sadly, I am guilty as well........

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[URL="http://dcprosportsreport.com/2009/04/why-no-ol-in-the-skins-draft.html"][B]http://dcprosportsreport.com/2009/04/why-no-ol-in-the-skins-draft.html[/B][/URL]

Here is our article on Mike Williams and the connection of Williams to the Redskins draft philosophy.

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[url=http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/KentSomers/52047]azcentral.com[/url]

Well, a lot of people's solution for our offensive line woes doesn't look like it will happen.

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We should get Levi jones the bengals starting left tackle he's gonna get cut and we could get him to start at RT for us

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[quote=theJBexperience;552642][url=http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/KentSomers/52047]azcentral.com[/url]

Well, a lot of people's solution for our offensive line woes doesn't look like it will happen.[/quote]

The Cards are much better situated at OT than we are...not even comparable really. If they "outbid" us for Levi Jones, assuming he's cut, i'd say the FO is resigned to gamble the season on our faltering o-line once again.

...btw it sounded like good news re Jones' injury status. Also very encouraging he didn't come out saying he would only play LT for LT type money...but the FO should still pony up and pay the guy. I keep thinking this is how we'll know if things are changing for the better in Redskins Land :)

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[quote=The Goat;552712]The Cards are much better situated at OT than we are...not even comparable really. If they "outbid" us for Levi Jones, assuming he's cut, i'd say the FO is resigned to gamble the season on our faltering o-line once again.

...btw it sounded like good news re Jones' injury status. Also very encouraging he didn't come out saying he would only play LT for LT type money...but the FO should still pony up and pay the guy. I keep thinking this is how we'll know if things are changing for the better in Redskins Land :)[/quote]

I absolutely agree. I will feel so much better if we sign a capable RT.

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[quote=The Goat;552712]The Cards are much better situated at OT than we are...not even comparable really. If they "outbid" us for Levi Jones, assuming he's cut, i'd say the FO is resigned to gamble the season on our faltering o-line once again.

...btw it sounded like good news re Jones' injury status. Also very encouraging he didn't come out saying he would only play LT for LT type money...but the FO should still pony up and pay the guy. I[B] keep thinking this is how we'll know if things are changing for the better in Redskins Land :)[/B][/quote]

Yes!

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Having been mistaken for a truck, Mike Williams was towed from the Redskins Park parking lot today.

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[quote=SBXVII;552314]I read an article where they had interviewed Williams or Dockery and Williams was mentioned but the story was about how he has been working out with Dockery and he's healthy. How he had played his rookie yr and got hurt at the end of it, tried to come back the next yr and could not then was let go and sat out all last yr. He's supposedly now back to his playing weight while in Buffalo and would like to lose 50 more lbs.

Then over the weekend I heard or read how he is like 410lbs and over weight. What gives?

When thinking about it JC and only having 1 3/4 yrs playing is kinda short. However I thought he had more then that. I keep hearing how JC has not had 2 yrs in the same system and this would be his first time. For whatever reason I thought he had 2 or atleast 1 3/4 yrs under AS. Did he not play 3/4 of a yr and get hurt. Then the next yr come back and play a full yr under AS? This will be his 2nd yr under Zorn. At some point I have to feel like Zorn does....JC is a proffessional, I'm sure his system changed from high school to college, he changed systems often in college, if anything all the changing has tought him to learn the plays faster and learn how to over come the fact of having to learn every yr.

Yes it would be nice to see JC play the same offense 3+ yrs to see what he can offer like Eli Manning. But you have to play with the hand your dealt. If nothing else it will make him a good Journey man. I like JC, I'm just concerned about his ability to read defenses and his 2min drill. Coach Zorn can find a way to play to the strenghts of JC. If all he's really good at is intermediate throws then give him intermediate throws mostly. Have him throwing short passes all summer to get him to learn how to finess the ball to the WR/TE.

Oh well my soap box. :)[/quote]

man you guys really can bring a Campbell argument into any thread

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[quote=Lotus;552751]Having been mistaken for a truck, Mike Williams was towed from the Redskins Park parking lot today.[/quote] Now that is funny:lol: and almost true:laughing2

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[quote=Lotus;552751]Having been mistaken for a truck, Mike Williams was towed from the Redskins Park parking lot today.[/quote]

:rofl:

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[quote=Lotus;552751]Having been mistaken for a truck, Mike Williams was towed from the Redskins Park parking lot today.[/quote]

:lol:

Williams is down to 404 Lbs! Check this:

[url=http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/30/williams-certain-his-comeback-is-worth-the-weight/]Williams certain his comeback is worth the weight - Washington Times[/url]

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Hey the guy sounds motivated. Sounds like he realizes this could be his last shot.

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I think he could be a great pickup given that he can keep his weight in check. If he's motivated I think he can be our starting RT Opening Day.

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I could see Williams as a successful Guard in the Dockery mold, but we're stocked at that position with mediocre players. This would have been an interesting thing to try back in 2007 instead. Now, I think he's just got no spot on this team, even if he is improved. He's just not a tackle, in any way, shape, or form.

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Here's a recent picture of Big Mike. He really doesn't look to out of shape but then you look at Chris Samuals and Randy Thomas pics and wonder are they to small or is Williams to big. Samuals though looks like the type that waits for the season to start packing on the pounds. If anything he looks like he weighs around 250 at most in his pic.

[URL="http://blog.redskins.com/2009/04/30/thursday-april-30-redskins-glamour-shots/"]Thursday, April 30: Redskins Glamour Shots[/URL]

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400+ lbs, WOW! That dude is huge! He obviously has not been doing anything but eating! He wont make the team unless he shreads 50 lbs in 2weeks! Now thats what I call the biggest loser!

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[URL="http://blog.redskins.com/2009/04/30/thursday-april-30-redskins-glamour-shots/"]Thursday, April 30: Redskins Glamour Shots[/URL]

Again heres what Mike Williams looks like right now. It's really not nearly as bad as you guys think. If anything our current lineman (Samuals and Thomas) look like they're underweight.

[IMG]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o99/milrenkb/headshots-004.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Dirtbag359;553648][URL="http://blog.redskins.com/2009/04/30/thursday-april-30-redskins-glamour-shots/"]Thursday, April 30: Redskins Glamour Shots[/URL]

Again heres what Mike Williams looks like right now. It's really not nearly as bad as you guys think. If anything are current lineman (Samuals and Thomas) look like they're underweight.

[IMG]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o99/milrenkb/headshots-004.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Agreed, I mean Andre Smith looked worst in his Pro Day.

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i saw the pic on the redskins blog, and thought it was very encouraging

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Yeah, he doesn't look as bad as I imagined. He must have bones made of lead to still weigh 400+.

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He must of done a great job of sucking in and holding his breath because he does not look flabby.

He looks like a giant blob with legs. I am sure he still needs to lose about 30 pounds to increase mobility and prevent injury.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;553648][URL="http://blog.redskins.com/2009/04/30/thursday-april-30-redskins-glamour-shots/"]Thursday, April 30: Redskins Glamour Shots[/URL]

Again heres what Mike Williams looks like right now. It's really not nearly as bad as you guys think. If anything our current lineman (Samuals and Thomas) look like they're underweight.

[IMG]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o99/milrenkb/headshots-004.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

I thought he was rocking a compression shirt (impressive at 4 bills) but then I read it was an unnumbered jersey. He does make Chris Samuels look tiny. But you're right, he doesn't look like a slob or anything, not by a long shot. I'm still skeptical as to whether he can actually play, but that is mostly because he has never proven that in the NFL and has been out of the league for several years now.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;553648][URL="http://blog.redskins.com/2009/04/30/thursday-april-30-redskins-glamour-shots/"]Thursday, April 30: Redskins Glamour Shots[/URL]

Again heres what Mike Williams looks like right now. It's really not nearly as bad as you guys think. If anything our current lineman (Samuals and Thomas) look like they're underweight.

[IMG]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o99/milrenkb/headshots-004.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Doc Walker was on 980 yesterday raving about how this guy looked in drills yesterday! I'm not saying he is the answer at RT...but, I am encouraged!!!

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[quote=Superman13732;551311]Jesus Christ. Well, thats disappointing. Haha, maybe he added 40 pounds of muscle?[/quote]

Maybe i was right?

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[quote=Dirtbag359;553648][URL="http://blog.redskins.com/2009/04/30/thursday-april-30-redskins-glamour-shots/"]Thursday, April 30: Redskins Glamour Shots[/URL]

Again heres what Mike Williams looks like right now. It's really not nearly as bad as you guys think. If anything our current lineman (Samuals and Thomas) look like they're underweight.

[IMG]http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o99/milrenkb/headshots-004.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

The man carries his weight well. He looks like a effing brick shithouse.