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[quote=Nflnick11;566213]its the same one so it doesn't matter read my post above this one bro...and shocker your a campbell fan cause your from mississippi..and redskingirl just copyed stats from nfl or espn.com and just threw those out there she clearly wouldn't know that off the top of her head, for all i know she could be JC's girlfriend[/quote]

A) I'm not from Mississippi. I just live here now.
B) I never said that I was a JC fan. I have simply argued against your uneducated rants.
C) It doesn't matter whether redskinsgirl knew her stats or got them from ESPN. She demonstrated that you are mistaken. That is the point.

You are a Cowboys troll, aren't you?

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I grew up in MS. but that still doesnt make me see something that isnt there.

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[quote=redskinsgirl;566214]Sigh. I already listed a couple in a few posts back. Since you consider JC supbar that would be any QB who stats were worse or similar to JC when it come to yards, TDS, and int.[/quote]

kerry collins is better than JC and he's really the only subpar QB o and flacco that i would consider..flacco had no receivers and still did great, he took chances and won games for the ravens..collins is a great passer can learn an offense in a season and perform, unlike campbell, and he had no receivers as well just a really good RB whose faster than portis, they're defense was as good as ours IMO...Warner is a lot better than JC, he can make reads and is proven, being named MVP a few years ago, and going to 3 SB's, winning one of them, mcnabb isn't subpar he's great and is way better than jason campbell, he isn't afraid to sling it, Eli is better than JC and he isn't afraid to take chances, he passes the ball all over the field, Delhomme is a better QB than Jason, he kept on throwing in the NFC playoff game even after getting picked 6 times, sure he had a bad game but he's been to more pro bowls and super bowls than JC, and the rest of the year he was doing great up till that game, matt ryan isn't subpar, he's in the top 10 IMO of great QB's right now in the league, hes a great game manager, makes plays, throws all over the field knows when to throw it away or take a sack instead of make a play...chad pennington is very accurate, doesn't have that strong of an arm but is a little better JC, cause he can manage and he's been to the playoffs a lot (he's probably the only one on this list that is worth an arguement as to him and JC) he also had to learn an offense very quicky and he didn't take any steps back, and brought last years worst team to the playoffs..Rivers is way better than JC, don't be surprised if Dan goes after him after this year he'll probably be franchised tho...does that answer your question now all those QBs that are in the playoffs last year are better than JC, and some of them had to learn an offense instantly and didn't have all summer like JC to learn it, and two of the them came right out of college...now you tell me why JC can't be like them, come on please tell me, if you think you know football like me, your dead wrong

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you think drew brees going from san diegos offense to new orleans he was saying we'll im switching offenses so im gonna take a few steps back this year cause im switching offenses, you think roethlisberger said that when whisenhunt left, how bout matt ryan going from college to the atlanta, how bout flacco going from Division 2 to the starting QB of the Ravens, Eli switched coordinators midway through 06 and still made the playoffs, and one the super bowl the next year.....i could go on and on..

good points. at some point as a pro, you either get it or you dont. players change teams and coaches each yr. the good ones still play at a high level. Pennington went to a 1-15 team. wins comeback player of the year. Kurt Warner and the Cards changed HC's and OC's in 2007. he threw 27 td's that yr.

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[quote=Lotus;566217]A) I'm not from Mississippi. I just live here now.
B) I never said that I was a JC fan. I have simply argued against your uneducated rants.
C) It doesn't matter whether redskinsgirl knew her stats or got them from ESPN. She demonstrated that you are mistaken. That is the point.

You are a Cowboys troll, aren't you?[/quote]

she didn't school me skipper, stats don't show the whole truth, and you can't call me uneducated, cause i know more about football or academics than you guaranteed...and no im not a cowboys fan, you can look back on previous message threads and read my previous positive pro redskin comments..its just that jason campbell and me don't go well in a conversation and when people start saying hes great and well lead us to the super bowl that deserves a long arguement in my book

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[quote=Nflnick11;566221]she didn't school me skipper, stats don't show the whole truth, and you can't call me uneducated, cause [B]i know more about football or academics than you guaranteed[/B]...and [B]no im not a cowboys fan[/B], you can look back on previous message threads and read my previous positive pro redskin comments..its just that jason campbell and me don't go well in a conversation and when people start saying hes great and well lead us to the super bowl that deserves a long arguement in my book[/quote]

As for the first, I'll believe that when you write something intelligent about football in complete, grammatically-correct sentences.

As for the second, you REPEATEDLY wished harm on a Redskins player. That makes you a Cowboys fan in my book, as no true Redskins fan would do such a horrid thing.

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you still didnt answer his question.... ill hum the jeopardy theme while we wait.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566215]Baltimore scored 214 pts their last 8 games. thats over 25 pts a game on avg. So obviousley the QB was getting his team in position to score. Like when Collins took over and led us to the playoffs,he wasnt having monster games yet we avg'd 20+ points a game with him at the helm. Same team that was left for dead with JC under Center.[/quote]


How does scoring 214 points prove that the QB put them in position to score? Most of those points didn't come from the QB throwing TDS. You forgot to state how many of the points came from defensive turnovers.

Remember skins had zero points from defensive turnovers in all 16 games. Maybe 2 TDs from defensive turnovers could have been the difference from being 10-6 compared to 8-8. That really one of the main difference between the skins and the other teams with mediocre QB play who made the playoffs

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[quote=Lotus;566222]As for the first, I'll believe that when you write something intelligent about football in complete, grammatically-correct sentences.

[B]As for the second, you REPEATEDLY wished harm on a Redskins player. That makes you a Cowboys fan in my book, as no true Redskins fan would do such a horrid thing[/B].[/quote]

Im a lazy typer so i don't care about my grammar and spelling
As for the bold statement, only the fans that want to win and see improvement would say that...ie me!!!mwah hahaha

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566216]how was i cherry picking? we all see JC on the field each week. I was showing the promise seen by the coaches in the young guys that ppl were sayin wouldnt play because they are called system QB's[/quote]

I already have shown this several times. You present only the information which agrees with you point and ignore/omit the information which refutes what you are trying to say. Please pay attention.

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I said the guys ie Colt and Chase could be good and are more than the 'system' QB's you say they are. I showed where the offensive coach backed it up with his observations.. what did i omit??

You are trying too hard to prove something but i dont know what it is. maybe you dont either.

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[quote=redskinsgirl;566225]How does scoring 214 points prove that the QB put them in position to score? Most of those points didn't come from the QB throwing TDS. You forgot to state how many of the points came from defensive turnovers.

Remember skins had zero points from defensive turnovers in all 16 games. Maybe 2 TDs from defensive turnovers could have been the difference from being 10-6 compared to 8-8. That really one of the main difference between the skins and the other teams with mediocre QB play who made the playoffs[/quote]

the point is that our defense put us in position to score, but JC or shuisham couldn't come thru, whereas flacco and the ravens could get some points

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We are still waiting on you to answer the mans question...

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[quote=Nflnick11;566219]kerry collins is better than JC and he's really the only subpar QB o and flacco that i would consider..flacco had no receivers and still did great, he took chances and won games for the ravens..collins is a great passer can learn an offense in a season and perform, unlike campbell, and he had no receivers as well just a really good RB whose faster than portis, they're defense was as good as ours IMO...Warner is a lot better than JC, he can make reads and is proven, being named MVP a few years ago, and going to 3 SB's, winning one of them, mcnabb isn't subpar he's great and is way better than jason campbell, he isn't afraid to sling it, Eli is better than JC and he isn't afraid to take chances, he passes the ball all over the field, Delhomme is a better QB than Jason, he kept on throwing in the NFC playoff game even after getting picked 6 times, sure he had a bad game but he's been to more pro bowls and super bowls than JC, and the rest of the year he was doing great up till that game, matt ryan isn't subpar, he's in the top 10 IMO of great QB's right now in the league, hes a great game manager, makes plays, throws all over the field knows when to throw it away or take a sack instead of make a play...chad pennington is very accurate, doesn't have that strong of an arm but is a little better JC, cause he can manage and he's been to the playoffs a lot (he's probably the only one on this list that is worth an arguement as to him and JC) he also had to learn an offense very quicky and he didn't take any steps back, and brought last years worst team to the playoffs..Rivers is way better than JC, don't be surprised if Dan goes after him after this year he'll probably be franchised tho...does that answer your question now all those QBs that are in the playoffs last year are better than JC, and some of them had to learn an offense instantly and didn't have all summer like JC to learn it, and two of the them came right out of college...now you tell me why JC can't be like them, come on please tell me, if you think you know football like me, your dead wrong[/quote]

Did I say all the QBs who made the playoffs were subpar? No I didn't. You didn't answer anything. How are they better? You didn't prove anything.

Collins, Flacco, Big Ben, and Ryan had stats similar or worse to JC and their teams still went to the playoffs. I don't consider them being subpar. I was just saying since you considered JC to be subpar because he didn't throw alot of TDs than, that must mean Collins, Flacco, Ben, and Ryan must be too.

You still haven't explained why Collins, Flacco, Big Ben and Ryan teams were able to go to the playoffs without throwing alot of TDs???

JC actually played similar to the QBs mention above.

Btw Ryan wasn't a top ten QB last season.

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[quote=Nflnick11;566231][B]the point[/B] is that our defense put us in position to score, but JC or shuisham couldn't come thru, [B]whereas flacco and the ravens could get some points[/B][/quote]

There is this thing called consistency in making arguments which you don't seem to follow. You clearly stated...

[quote=Nflnick11;566219]kerry collins is better than JC and he's really the only subpar QB o and flacco that i would consider..[B]flacco had no receivers and still did great, he took chances and won games for the ravens..[/B][/quote]

Now you changed your argument from "Flacco won games for the Ravens", to "whereas Flacco and the Ravens could get some points". Now this is just a small portion of your argument that I can counter by using those "CRAAAZY" stats.

Here's a [U]rough[/U] look at the 2008 Ravens and their performance against other teams. If Flacco indeed "won" games for the Ravens, then I am to assume that this means he produced points at the end of the game that directly led to the win (since to you the fact that they had an elite scoring defense doesn't mean crap to you).

Cincy – W – no 4th qtr TD
Clev – W – no 4th qtr TD (defense holds opponent to low score)
Pit – L – no TDs thrown
Ind – L – no TDs thrown
Mia – W – no 4th qtr TD (defense holds opponent to low score)
Oak – W – no 4th qtr TD (defense holds opponent to low score)
[B]Clev – W – 4th qtr TD thrown (strong showing by offense)[/B]
Hou – W – blow out win (defense holds opponent to low score)
NYG – L – blowout loss – no 4th qtr TD thrown
Phil – W - 4th qtr TD thrown (strong showing by offense/defense)
Cin – W – blow out win (defense holds opponent to low score)
Was – W – 4th qtr TD thrown (defense holds opponent to low score)
Pit – L – no TDs thrown
[B]Dal – W – 4th qtr TD thrown (strong showing by offense/defense)[/B]
Jax – W – no TDs thrown (defense holds opponent to low score)

I looked at 4th Qtr TDs thrown by Flacco (yes I know I am simplifying this a bit, disregarding his performance that indirectly resulted in points). Now, in the two games I bolded, Flacco did have a strong offensive showing, the opposing teams put up points against the Ravens, and the ability of Flacco to put up points on the board were important to the win.

However, in most of the other games, Flacco did not have to "win" the game as you put it, most of the time the Ravens defense held the opposing team under 14 pts.; and then there are those games where they lost.

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Its not all about td's. its about the little things such as converting on 3rd down. making plays to sustain drives. putting their teams in position to score/win.things that those guys did that our QB didnt.

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[quote=Nflnick11;566231]the point is that our defense put us in position to score, but JC or shuisham couldn't come thru, whereas flacco and the ravens could get some points[/quote]

No the point is the Bmore defense scored points and the skins didn't. That is why Ravens was still able to win without the QB throwing a ton of TDS whereas the skins struggled. That the real reason the were averaging 25 points a game.

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Ok, more "craaazy" stats...

[quote=Nflnick11;566219][B]kerry collins is better than JC [/B]and he's really the only subpar QB o and flacco that i would consider..flacco had no receivers and still did great, he took chances and won games for the ravens..[B]collins is a great passer can learn an offense in a season and perform, unlike campbell, and he had no receivers as well just a really good RB whose faster than portis, they're defense was as good as ours IMO...[/B][/quote]

Collins had great protection, as Tenn. tied for first as the team with the least QB sacks allowed, funny that you omitted this (well I guess that would hurt your argument).

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566236][B]Its not all about td's[/B]. its about the little things such as converting on 3rd down. making plays to sustain drives. putting their teams in position to score/win.things that those guys did that our QB didnt.[/quote]

Did you forget to use the quote feature again, kinda hard to have a dialogue if we don't know who you're talking too.

And I love the bolded quote by the way.

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[quote=redskinsgirl;566238]No the point is the Bmore defense scored points and the skins didn't. That is why Ravens was still able to win without the QB throwing a ton of TDS whereas the skins struggled. That the real reason the were averaging 25 points a game.[/quote]

The Ravens Defense scored 25 pts a game??? WOW :)
Our defense was 4th in the league, and maybe they would make big plays if they werent on the field most of the game because our offense couldnt sustain drives thanks to Mr Checkdown.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566236]Its not all about td's. its about the little things such as converting on 3rd down. making plays to sustain drives. putting their teams in position to score/win.things that those guys did that our QB didnt.[/quote]

So it isn't about scoring TDs, but you all were complaining JC doesn't score enough TDs. That was your main gripe. You both said if JC woud have scored more TDS(about 20+) then the skins would have been in the playoffs. Now you are saying it isn't just about scoring TDs, but about sustaining drives, 3rd conversions.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566241]The Ravens Defense scored 25 pts a game??? WOW :)
Our defense was 4th in the league, and maybe they would make big plays if they werent on the field most of the game because our offense couldnt sustain drives thanks to Mr Checkdown.[/quote]

Lol. You know I was talking about the team. A fourth ranked defense who couldn't score from defensive turnovers. The steelers and ravens defense didn't spend more time on the field than their offenses???

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[quote=irish;566085]Good video, Seeing JC's number really drive home how inadequate a QB he was last year. IMO, there has to be a reason both Gibbs & Zorn are reluctant to take the training wheels off when JC is the QB. I really believe the QB position is what's holding this team back.[/quote]...I'm shocked!

You should have responded to your own post talking about how numbers don't tell the whole story, Gibbs doesn't know what he's doing, and that this team can't be "held back" because Vinny and Dan don't know how to build a team in the first place.

You could have torn irish apart.

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So a top 5 defense isnt good enough for us to win? :bs:

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A little bit more stats...

[quote=Nflnick11;566219]Warner is a lot better than JC, [B]he can make reads and is proven, being named MVP a few years ago, and going to 3 SB's[/B][/quote]

Great analysis there, you forgot to compare JC to Brady and Payton Manning (if you are looking for an easy argument I guess) :doh:. Anyway, Warner is an old QB and did pretty good throughout the season. It helped that AZ only allowed 28 sacks (tied 11th for the least sacks allowed) and he had two Pro Bowl wideouts (and arguably the best WR in Fitzgerald). Now, if you had thought about it a bit more (but I guess since you don't like stats), you could've made the argument that Warner won without having a running game (ranked at the bottom in the league) and with a crappy defense. However, I'm sure someone would have easily point out that the NFC West wasn't that competitive, allowing AZ to win the division with just one more win that our team, and the fact that AZ's defense came alive and finally complimented the offense during the playoffs.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566241]The Ravens Defense scored 25 pts a game??? WOW :)
[B]Our defense was 4th in the league, and maybe they would make big plays if they werent on the field most of the game[/B] because our offense couldnt sustain drives thanks to Mr Checkdown.[/quote]

Ok! The Redskins defense would score more if they were on the sidelines than if they were on the field! Sure!

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Our defense is better than ATL. so obviousley their offense did more to lead them to the playoffs. now what??

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[quote=Lotus;566247]Ok! The Redskins defense would score more if they were on the sidelines than if they were on the field! Sure![/quote]

NO SH&& Sherlock, ofcourse a rested defense will play better than a defense thats on the field most of the game. :doh:

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566249]NO SH&& Sherlock, ofcourse a rested defense will play better than a defense thats on the field most of the game. :doh:[/quote]

There is not a shred of evidence to support the point that the Redskins defense would have scored more if it were more rested, especially since the defense finished at #4 in the league despite what you describe as conditions of fatigue. Can't admit that you said something dumb, can you?

So let's recap what we've learned tonight: Some Colt fans do not argue from evidence, or they cherry-pick their evidence by ignoring facts which contradict their claims. When caught red-handed making a foolish argument, they change the argument or respond with ad hominem attacks. Some Colt fans even wish harm on Redskin players. If these are the arguments for Colt then some Colt fans just make JC look better.

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It is what it is, the offense scoring 13 pts a game over the 2nd half of the season is why we missed the playoffs. And YES it all falls on the QB. He is the one with the ball in his hands, its his job to move the team down the field and put them in position to score.
He didnt get the job done which is why the FO tried to upgrade, which is why we couldnt trade him and is the same reason why he is now in the last yr of his contract.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566196]What does Matt Ryan have that JC doesnt?? both have a good running back behind them and we have a better D than ATL. defenses stack the line to slow CP yet JC cant take advantage. thats how those one on one situations like i showed earlier happen. But JC throws short more often than not. stats dont lie. 0 tds on 3rd down.[/quote]I think, this is a good argument you just made.

My point would be this: Matt Ryan has only 11 career wins. One of those was a comeback win, and it was a great comeback (over Chicago), but his game winning drive lasted one play, and six seconds, so it was less of a great comeback than a single excellent throw. At this point next year, Jason Campbell could be a pro bowl quarterback...and Matt Ryan could still be the [I]better[/I] QB of the two. Not being as good as Matt Ryan does not imply failure.

I also think that what you are perceiving as a Campbell problem (poor third down passing production) is an entire offense problem. Campbell is not exempt from that, but out of all those third down failures, it comes back to perhaps 3-6 offensive third down plays where you could say that Jason Campbell did not execute. The rest falls on the players around him.

I definitely don't agree with your conclusion, but I think you handle evidence better than either irish, or nflnick11.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566248]Our defense is better than ATL. so obviousley [B]their offense did more to lead them to the playoffs.[/B] now what??[/quote]

I guess I'll respond on behalf of the mysterious person you are replying to in this post. You and Cowboy-fan Nflick are arguing against Jason Campbell, making it sound like he is SOLELY responsible for the Skins' offensive problems.

Yes, the ATL offense did more to lead them to the playoffs...
- ATL's o-line tied 5th for least sacks allowed
- ATL's running game was 2nd in yards and YPG
- ATL's receivers did enough to help them win games

And well ATL's defense did have more sacks than our defense.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566245]So a top 5 defense isnt good enough for us to win? :bs:[/quote]I think a top five defense is plenty good enough to win.

If we had a top five defense last year, we would have won 10 or 11 games and made the playoffs.

The results, of course, suggest that our defense was not top five, in either the traditional or literal sense.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566253]It is what it is, the offense scoring 13 pts a game over the 2nd half of the season is why we missed the playoffs. And YES it all falls on the QB. He is the one with the ball in his hands, its his job to move the team down the field and put them in position to score.
He didnt get the job done which is why the FO tried to upgrade, [B]which is why we couldnt trade him and is the same reason why he is now in the last yr of his contract.[/B][/quote]

Previously the Giants looked into trades for Eli Manning. Manning is also in the last year of his contract. Following your logic, the Giants do not see Eli as a capable franchise qb. This is ludicrous.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;566253]It is what it is, the offense scoring 13 pts a game over the 2nd half of the season is why we missed the playoffs. And YES it all falls on the QB. He is the one with the ball in his hands, its his job to move the team down the field and put them in position to score.
He didnt get the job done which is why the FO tried to upgrade, which is why we couldnt trade him and is the same reason why he is now in the last yr of his contract.[/quote]

Ok then let him play and stop bitching about him. There is nothing you can do and say that is going to change that. At least you're not wishing injury upon him. However, you need to say that this statement is YOUR opinion and you have no facts to support the fact that Jason Campbell is the ONE and ONLY reason why the team missed the playoffs. If you say that this is all your biased opinion, then I'll let you rant in peace. However, don't come here and make a half-ass argument with cherry-picked facts and tell me that you have a solid argument.

I'm not a JC apologist and trust me, I'll be the first one to demand his benching if the team has a losing record during the first half of the season. But I also don't pull facts out of my ass to make ridiculous arguments.

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[quote=Nflnick11;566227]Im a lazy typer so i don't care about my grammar and spelling[/quote]

Wow. Between nick and dbuch, I am having flashbacks to offiss and his man crush on Patrick Ramsey. As with offiss, confronted with stats they respond "those aren't the right stats" but site none of their own. Confronted with the opinions of coaches and analysts, they say "those aren't the right coaches and analysts".

As for being a lazy typer, nick, what is eminently clear, is that you are a lazy thinker.

[quote=Nflnick11;566227] kerry collins is better than JC and he's really the only subpar QB o and flacco that i would consider..flacco had no receivers and still did great, he took chances and won games for the ravens.[/quote]

As to receivers, Derrick Mason would contest that remark - his stats are remarkably similar to Santana's. Additionally, the Ravens top 3 runners had over 2,000 yards (Rice, McGahee and McClain - each getting significant time as a starter). Portis and Betts (the only two runners with over 200 yards for the Skins) had just under 1700. The Ravens defense had 5 TD's off of interception returns. The Skins had none. The Ravens defense had one defensive fumble recovery for a TD. The Skins had none. The Ravens had two Safeties, tthe Redskins had none. The Ravens allowed 244 points, The Skins 293. The Ravens had [B]20 rushing TD's, the Skins had 12[/B]. Flacco was sacked 33 times, Campbell 38 (oh, and Campbell gained 250 yards to Flacco's 180).

Putting Campbell in Flacco's spot, Campbell would have taken the Ravens to the Superbowl. Flacco who was 13 of 30 in the Championship game w/ 2 INT's and No TD's.

The team carried Flacco, not vice versa.

[quote=Nflnick11;566227]collins is a great passer can learn an offense in a season and perform, unlike campbell, and he had no receivers as well just a really good RB whose faster than portis, they're defense was as good as ours. [/quote]

Collins has been in the league 14 years, played for 5 teams and almost washed out twice. He better be able to step in and play at this point. Given his stats last year, if he is a great QB then so is Campbell. Again, the Titans top 2 runners had over 2,000 yards - Portis and Betts just under 1700. The Titans defense had 3 Defensive TD's. The Skins had none. The Titans allowed 234 points, The Skins 293. The Ravens had [B]24 rushing TD's, the Skins had 12[/B]. [B]Collins was sacked 8 times[/B], Campbell 38 (again, Campbell 250 rushing yards, Collins 49).

Again, put Campbell in for Collins, and maybe they beat the Ravens and play Pitt. Collins threw for 281 yards on 42 attempts with no TD's and one Interception.

You then list all the playoff QB's who were not part of Redskinsgirl analysis b/c they had much better stats than JC last year. Except of course for Delhomme, any consideration of his stats would require consistency of thought on your part - something you clearly struggle with. (Go look them up, I bet Delhomme succeeded last year b/c he had a strong rushing game and a stingy opportunistic defense).

Redskinsgirl's comparison was limited to players whose stats were comparable to JC's yet whose teams still made it the playoffs. To counter it, you simply ignored the question asked to come up with an answer you liked. No rationale, no stats - just subjective arguments that can be made by anyone and prove nothing. You're worse than a lazy thinker... you're just obtuse!

You follow with this bit of rhetorical legerdermain:

[quote=Nflnick11;566227]all those QBs that are in the playoffs last year are better than JC, and some of them had to learn an offense instantly and didn't have all summer like JC to learn it, and two of the them came right out of college. [/quote]

Many of the QB's in the playoffs [I]were[/I] better than JC last year. Flacco, Collins, and Delhomme were not. Rather, and in answer to your question, JC [I]WAS[/I] like them. He just didn't have a rushing game that provided over 2000 yards, a spare 6 or 10 TD's, or a defense that allowed fewer points and scored points on its own.

Then you close with this completely unsupported remark that is proved false by every word you utter.

[quote=Nflnick11;566227]if you think you know football like me, your dead wrong [/quote]

I take it back - you're right. I (and lotus and redskingirl) don't know football like you. We actually understand it. You on the other hand are just bag of wind with an opinion.

Re: Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason
 

So lets recap, I showed JC's scouting report that said he
1.Holds the ball too long
2.sees half the field, hence misses open wr's
3. Is too quick to checkdown when we need a play
Then, I post a clip from NFL Network where they backed this up with video proof.

Then ppl say Colt and Chase are 'system' Qbs and wont be anygood so i go find a clip from an interview with the offensive assistant where he said they were both doing very well and i get accused of cherry picking for some reason that i still dont understand.

to sum it all up, JC has not been consistant, when we needed him to drive this team for a score rarely did he do so. Other than the Saints game i cant remember one off hand.

Re: Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason
 

JoeRedskin is on fire today!

Re: Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason
 

[quote=Lotus;566258]Previously the Giants looked into trades for Eli Manning. Manning is also in the last year of his contract. Following your logic, the Giants do not see Eli as a capable franchise qb. This is ludicrous.[/quote]

I dont like Eli, i think he is avg at best but the fact is on the biggest stage when his team needed a score he got the job done. and he played very well during the playoff run btw.. i think i just threw up in my mouth a little bit. ugh

Re: Colt Brennan Says He'll "Play A Ton" In The Preseason
 

[quote=SmootSmack;566264]JoeRedskin is on fire today![/quote]

No s**t! Give me some of what you're having Joe. Good stuff!