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[quote=an23dy;568384]My bad, I meant it in that we won't be drafting in the third come draft day. [B]We did the same thing for Jason Taylor. We traded the 2nd round pick 9 months early for Jason Taylor and he was on the roster in 2008. [/B] He was just older and hopefully not as good a LDE as Jarmon will be. I'm neutral about it, but other people are upset at the value, they don't know if he was worth using a third round pick on.[/quote]

But it's not the same at all. If we trade the pick for a player, then another team gets an additional player with our pick. We get a player with our own pick, we just get him 9 months early. It's like Ruhskins said, so many people and fans are conditioned to think that we 'gave up a pick' that anything we do outside of the month of April is a negative.

If the Eagles picked him (and they supposedly put in a 4th round claim) then there would be endless platitudes about how savvy Joe Banner and Andy Reid are for using the supplemental draft and adding a potentially valuable player, not that they threw away a pick.

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[quote=Paintrain;568418]But it's not the same at all. If we trade the pick for a player, then another team gets an additional player with our pick. We get a player with our own pick, we just get him 9 months early. It's like Ruhskins said, so many people and fans are conditioned to think that we 'gave up a pick' that anything we do outside of the month of April is a negative.

If the Eagles picked him (and they supposedly put in a 4th round claim) then there would be endless platitudes about how savvy Joe Banner and Andy Reid are for using the supplemental draft and adding a potentially valuable player, not that they threw away a pick.[/quote]

Funny how everyone put in a 4th round claim except us. Doesn't it make you wonder if maybe we over valued him a little bit. Yes we won, we got our man, but whether or not it was worth it is yet to be seen. The talent pool in a draft between the 3rd and 4th rounds are almost night and day with a few exceptions.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;568403]This could be a steal if it pans out. I would, however, be a little concerned. This guy was disqualified by the NCAA and lost his senior year eligibility because he tested positive for a banned diuretic.

Most diuretics are not banned, and they are even legal in the NFL. The banned diuretics are those diuretics that are known to be used to flush the traces of steroids/PHD's from the system so they won't show up on a drug test.[/quote]

Or you could read about the situation and realize it was just an honest mistake. We have another guy on the roster who did the same thing. The DE from JMU got booted for exactly the same deal.

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[quote=Angry;568421]Funny how everyone put in a 4th round claim except us. Doesn't it make you wonder if maybe we over valued him a little bit. Yes we won, we got our man, but whether or not it was worth it is yet to be seen. The talent pool in a draft between the 3rd and 4th rounds are almost night and day with a few exceptions.[/quote]

True, but we got a player who has a year head start and can learn under Dainiels and Wynn and has the chance to be a starter next year. He probably would've been a 2-3 next year if he had eligibility. 5 teams bid 4th round picks, so if we wanted to get him we had to give up a 3rd. I think it was a good move by the FO.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=Angry;568421]Funny how everyone put in a 4th round claim except us. Doesn't it make you wonder if maybe we over valued him a little bit. Yes we won, we got our man, but whether or not it was worth it is yet to be seen. The talent pool in a draft between the 3rd and 4th rounds are almost night and day with a few exceptions.[/quote]

Certainly can be argued that we "overvalued" him, but I think the context should be considered. The other teams might've also just been lowballing w/their 4th. Vinny has taken players in the draft that were rated lower by most teams (e.g. rinehart, glenn, brooks, kelly), this move might be just the same.

Eeach team's situation has to be considered. Philly e.g. liked him but they probably want some flexibility w/their 3rd rounder next year & they are not in great need of a young DE as far as I know. Detroit has so many needs that they didn't want to go too low, but because they were #1 in draft order, their submission of a 4th for Jarmon would've beaten anyone else's 4th.

Bottom line, if they liked him enough to draft in the 3rd round it was a good move. Despite the no. of DEs on the roster, there isn't a young viable starter alongside Carter. Even if Rak becomes srictly a DE, Carter is getting to the age where his speed rush isn't as speedy.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

Ok, ok, I will jump on the bandwagon. Good move SARGE!

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Good take by Tandler:

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/219390-jarmon-selection-was-succession-planning-for-washington-redskins]Jarmon Selection Was Succession Planning For Washington Redskins | Bleacher Report[/url]

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[quote=53Fan;568376]Detroit and some other teams were going to try to get him with a 4th. If we wouldn't have given a 3rd, we wouldn't have got him.[/quote]

yeah thats what i heard too. if we had bid our 4th rounder then a team like detroit would have gotten him first with their lower 4th rounder.

heard vinny lay down how the order goes. it does not follow the regular draft order. he said all the 6-10 teams (example) get put in a lottery, then all the non-playoff teams get put a lottery, then the playoff teams get put in the lottery.

so for this supplemental draft while we drafted 13th in the reg draft we drafted 19th in the supplemental. cowboys who drafted after us (i think the 19th?) in the regular draft actually "drafted" 13th in the supplemental for each round.

go skins!!

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[quote=freddyg12;568431][B]Certainly can be argued that we "overvalued" him, but I think the context should be considered.[/B] The other teams might've also just been lowballing w/their 4th. Vinny has taken players in the draft that were rated lower by most teams (e.g. rinehart, glenn, brooks, kelly), this move might be just the same.

Eeach team's situation has to be considered. Philly e.g. liked him but they probably want some flexibility w/their 3rd rounder next year & they are not in great need of a young DE as far as I know. Detroit has so many needs that they didn't want to go too low, but because they were #1 in draft order, their submission of a 4th for Jarmon would've beaten anyone else's 4th.

Bottom line, if they liked him enough to draft in the 3rd round it was a good move. Despite the no. of DEs on the roster, there isn't a young viable starter alongside Carter. Even if Rak becomes srictly a DE, Carter is getting to the age where his speed rush isn't as speedy.[/quote]

I totally agree. God for bid Orakpo turns out to be a bust cause we will start hearing how he must have been valued too high. He was on other teams list at a lower round. In my opinion....who cares about other teams thought process. Players drafted in the 7th sometimes make it big. Look at Horton, and Heyer as examples. I can understand and appreciate people attempting to guess what a player should or should not be rated or ranked but it's all speculation cause no one knows how well the player will develope for the NFL.

If this kid can get a crash course in our Defense and gets several sacks this yr people will be claiming that we did awsome with this pick. All we can say for sure is he has athletic ability and has proven himself in college which should/could transfer to the pros. Hopefully it does.

The major plus is the organization trying to get younger like everyone wanted with out throwing away picks for a washed up player.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

You guys are all ignoring the most important detail. What's his rating going to be in Madden?

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[quote=53Fan;568250]Sit tight. He just passed it to me. You're next.[/quote]

Also I can't believe I missed the [B]"Puff, Puff, Pass Party."[/B]

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I don't think this guy is going to be that exceptional. I'm not looking for him to do anything spectacular this coming year.

The only downside is were going to have yet another offseason without our full lineup of draft picks. I personally think that the Skins are a team that need to prove they have the discipline to go one year with keeping all their allotment due to the past aggressive use of draft picks.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;568458]I don't think this guy is going to be that exceptional. I'm not looking for him to do anything spectacular this coming year.

The only downside is were going to have yet another offseason without our full lineup of draft picks. I personally think that the Skins are a team that need to prove they have the discipline to go one year with keeping all their allotment due to the past aggressive use of draft picks.[/quote]

???? We DRAFTED this guy. So next April when we don't have this pick to use on draft day we can say we drafted him and got him a year early. We didn't get rid of the pick we just used it early. We still have the same allotment that we had 2 days ago, just one of them has been used.

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[quote=FRPLG;568463]???? We DRAFTED this guy. So next April when we don't have this pick to use on draft day we can say we drafted him and got him a year early. We didn't get rid of the pick we just used it early. We still have the same allotment that we had 2 days ago, just one of them has been used.[/quote]

Totally agree with tis statement. We used a draft pick on a college player one year early. Period. We didn't trade it for a vet or anything else. I live in SEC country now and all ofmy friends are SC Gamecocks fans. They all know who this guy is and seem to think he could be a beast. One of them who knows the most is an Eagles fan and he wishes they had gotten him. Good job front office. nice addition to a D line who is instantly young.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=FRPLG;568463]???? We DRAFTED this guy. So next April when we don't have this pick to use on draft day we can say we drafted him and got him a year early. We didn't get rid of the pick we just used it early. We still have the same allotment that we had 2 days ago, just one of them has been used.[/quote]

I've tried explaining that 3 times in this thread. Some people don't get it and aren't going to. We're going to hear the same whining next spring about 'we only have 5 picks' even though one of our [b][i][u]6 picks[/b][/i][/u] will already have one year of NFL experience.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;568466]Totally agree with tis statement. We used a draft pick on a college player one year early. Period. We didn't trade it for a vet or anything else[B]. I live in SEC country now and all ofmy friends are SC Gamecocks fans. They all know who this guy is and seem to think he could be a beast. One of them who knows the most is an Eagles fan and he wishes they had gotten him[/B]. Good job front office. nice addition to a D line who is instantly young.[/quote]

I really haven't seen him play, just going by what I've read. This is good to hear from people with firsthand knowledge.

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=FRPLG;568463]???? We DRAFTED this guy. So next April when we don't have this pick to use on draft day we can say we drafted him and got him a year early. We didn't get rid of the pick we just used it early. We still have the same allotment that we had 2 days ago, just one of them has been used.[/quote]

True, I'm aware that he's considered a draft pick for next year. But the risk taken on this 3rd round player this year is not the same as a 3rd round pick next year. This guy was in the supplement draft for a reason.

Basically I'm just saying that the Skins are choosing to be risky when they aren't really in the position of dominance to assume that kind of risk.

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I can't really say anything to support or be against this move because I have none on this guy beside the reports on him I read.. However, I would have to look at this move as a positive sign for our FO; the reason why we drafted Jarmon is to replace Phillips and Wynn after the 2010 season.. Which is something we rarely do.. I hope the FO will continue this trend..

I guess I can say I'm in waiting-to-see-what-happens mode (pretty much same as everyone else) but I don't think it would be a bust pick for us.. I'm not saying that Jarmon would rise to a great or star player, but I believe he will rise to level where he is serviceable as #1 LDE for years.. Or more..

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=Skinny Tee;568471]True, I'm aware that he's considered a draft pick for next year. But the risk taken on this 3rd round player this year is not the same as a 3rd round pick next year. This guy was in the supplement draft for a reason.

Basically I'm just saying that the Skins are choosing to be risky when they aren't really in the position of dominance to assume that kind of risk.[/quote]

Supplemental draft, not supplement draft. Freudian slip ;)

How is the risk taken on a 3rd round pick any less next year?

Re: Redskins Select Jarmon in 3rd Round of Supplemental Draft
 

[quote=SmootSmack;568474]Supplemental draft, not supplement draft. Freudian slip ;)

How is the risk taken on a 3rd round pick any less next year?[/quote]

lol...I didn't even see that...

He hasn't played competitive football in a year which is always something that hinders athletic progress. Pacman wasn't the same player when he came back to the Cowboys, I doubt Vick will be, but that is a tangent.

The guy did better earlier in his college career and then his stats trail off. He subsequently gets charged with taking PEDs, not to say he used them for an athletic edge.

If we had the 3rd round pick next year we would have a broad selection of various athletic talents to choose from. We instead used it this year on one risky player who hasn't played within the year.

...I'm not saying it's a terrible thing, I'm just saying that it is risky when a team like the Skins have already used up all of their risk in the recent years.

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[B]#1.[/B] All drafted players are risky. Face the fact. No one knows how they will turn out in the NFL.
[B]#2.[/B] Experts are saying had he come out this yr he would have been a 3rd or higher.
[B]#3.[/B] If I'm not mistaken...he played in 2008. In May he found out he would not get to play in college this yr...2009, so he entered the Supp. Draft in order to move on to the pros. He has not been out a yr.
[B]The NCAA ruled Jarmon, a three-year starter for the Wildcats, ineligible for the 2009 college football season[/B]
[B]His only recourse was to enter the NFL Supplemental Draft so that he would not miss a football season.[/B]

[B]#4.[/B] The only down side is the fact next yr you won't hear the Skins pick 6 times. Big Deal. They picked up a draft early to train and he's from college so he's young not some old has been we keep giving up several picks for.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;568476]lol...I didn't even see that...

He hasn't played competitive football in a year which is always something that hinders athletic progress. Pacman wasn't the same player when he came back to the Cowboys, I doubt Vick will be, but that is a tangent.

The guy did better earlier in his college career and then his stats trail off. He subsequently gets charged with taking PEDs, not to say he used them for an athletic edge.

If we had the 3rd round pick next year we would have a broad selection of various athletic talents to choose from. We instead used it this year on one risky player who hasn't played within the year.

...I'm not saying it's a terrible thing, I'm just saying that it is risky when a team like the Skins have already used up all of their risk in the recent years.[/quote]

I know it has been said, but he did play this year. it would have been this upcoming season he would have been inactive, so by your own logic, this was a risk reduction move by the FO. Next year this All SEC player would have been sitting out if not drafted, and he would have been less of a player. Instead we get this guy, who missed the nfl draft because he wanted to stay in school and we get him to be worked out, see the nfl speed etc a year before we really need him and before he would have been normally available.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;568476]lol...I didn't even see that...

He hasn't played competitive football in a year which is always something that hinders athletic progress. Pacman wasn't the same player when he came back to the Cowboys, I doubt Vick will be, but that is a tangent.

The guy did better earlier in his college career and then his stats trail off. He subsequently gets charged with taking PEDs, not to say he used them for an athletic edge.

If we had the 3rd round pick next year we would have a broad selection of various athletic talents to choose from. We instead used it this year on one risky player who hasn't played within the year.

...I'm not saying it's a terrible thing, I'm just saying that it is risky when a team like the Skins have already used up all of their risk in the recent years.[/quote]

I see...I think too many of us-and maybe it's because we're scarred by moves like the Duckett and Lloyd trades-believe that the only truly successful off-seasons are the ones where we keep all our picks and draft players using those picks. That it matters less what we do with those picks than that we have them.

But we shouldn't keep our picks just to keep our picks. I don't think we should necessarily focus so much on now we don't have a 3rd round pick in April 2010, but what did we do with that pick.

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I don't see where there's all that much risk involved with this pick. At least not anymore risk than is involved with any pick.

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Also if you want to talk about [B]Risk[/B] then Orakpo is the biggest risk in my opinion. He was picked up in the first round and will be getting paid a lot of money. If he does not do well or does not fit our system we are screwed. But that could also be said of AH. Look at Archuletta.

To get this guy a yr early is awsome. At worst he has a yr to learn the system and learn under some NFL pros. Then becomes a monster next yr. At best he gets playing time and several sacks.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;568458]I don't think this guy is going to be that exceptional. I'm not looking for him to do anything spectacular this coming year.

The only downside is were going to have yet another offseason without our full lineup of draft picks. I personally think that the Skins are a team that need to prove they have the discipline to go one year with keeping all their allotment due to the past aggressive use of draft picks.[/quote]

Skinny,

Didn't we have all our picks plus some in last year's draft. I could be wrong, but I thought we did.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;568471]True, I'm aware that he's considered a draft pick for next year. But the risk taken on this 3rd round player this year is not the same as a 3rd round pick next year. [B]This guy was in the supplement draft for a reason.[/B]

Basically I'm just saying that the Skins are choosing to be risky when they aren't really in the position of dominance to assume that kind of risk.[/quote]

I think his suspension came after he could enter the 2009 draft.

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I'm not going to keep cutting and pasting. Read for your self....

[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Jarmon_Turns__Low_Point__Into_a_New_Beginning_43516.jsp]Jarmon Turns 'Low Point' Into a New Beginning[/url]

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Sorry...thought he sat out his senior year.

...I guess that kind of detracts credibility from my argument...

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[quote=Skinny Tee;568493]Sorry...thought he sat out his senior year.

...I guess that kind of detracts credibility from my argument...[/quote]

LOL. That's ok...we know your mind is elsewhere these days. Set a date yet?

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[quote=SmootSmack;568494]LOL. That's ok...we know your mind is elsewhere these days. Set a date yet?[/quote]

Yeah..it's May 22, 2009...thanks for asking about that Smoot.

For some this offseason hasn't really been too interesting to keep up with. I need a preseason game to kick me back in gear : )

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[quote=Skinny Tee;568495]Yeah..[B]it's May 22, 2009[/B]...thanks for asking about that Smoot.

For some this offseason hasn't really been too interesting to keep up with. I need a preseason game to kick me back in gear : )[/quote]

Did you miss your wedding Tee? You better check man. :)

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[quote=53Fan;568496]Did you miss your wedding Tee? You better check man. :)[/quote]

LOL. Skinny Tee needs to register [url=http://www.calendarhome.com/store/store.html]here[/url]

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[quote=53Fan;568496]Did you miss your wedding Tee? You better check man. :)[/quote]

LOL...2010!...Typo strikes again...I'm playing Rook while typing so things can tend to slip...

Hahaha....I'm turning 30 at the start of August too so I guess you can't rule out age : )...still can't believe it's going to be 2010...wasn't that a Space Odyessy Sequel?

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[quote=SmootSmack;568498]LOL. Skinny Tee needs to register [url=http://www.calendarhome.com/store/store.html]here[/url][/quote]

Thanks SS. The Garage Girls calender looks pretty good. Thanks for the headsup!

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[quote=Paintrain;568418]But it's not the same at all. If we trade the pick for a player, then another team gets an additional player with our pick. We get a player with our own pick, we just get him 9 months early. It's like Ruhskins said, so many people and fans are conditioned to think that we 'gave up a pick' that anything we do outside of the month of April is a negative.

If the Eagles picked him (and they supposedly put in a 4th round claim) then there would be endless platitudes about how savvy Joe Banner and Andy Reid are for using the supplemental draft and adding a potentially valuable player, not that they threw away a pick.[/quote]

On the ESPN boards a Pats fan gave kudos to the Redskins for picking Jarmon and how he wishes the Pats had picked him. Can you imagine if this had happened? There would have been an orgy of sports talking heads stepping over each other to praise Darth Hoody. And in here there would have been a ton of posts about how the Pats FO always does everything right and how they wish Darth Hoody was running this team.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;568495]Yeah..it's May 22, 2009...thanks for asking about that Smoot.

For some this offseason hasn't really been too interesting to keep up with. I need a preseason game to kick me back in gear : )[/quote]


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA[B]DOOMSDAY[/B]HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

How does the saying go...."Put a quarter in a jar for evertime you have sex...and after marriage take a quarter out of the jar for everytime you have sex and you'll always have money. lol.

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Here ya go.....

“Every time you make love the
first year of your marriage, put a penny in a jar. After that first year,
take a penny out. You’ll never run out.”

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[quote=Ruhskins;568349]Well to that I say, our biggest criticism of the FO has been "not building through the draft", giving picks away in trades, and overpaying washed up veterans (and keeping old players).

[B]In the past two drafts, the team has drafted/signed a young defensive line (Orakpo, Jarmon, Big Al who is 28); a young receiving group (Thomas, Kelly, Davis, and Roydell Williams who is only 28); a fairly young DB group (Horton, D. Hall, Barnes, Tryon, who join Rogers and Landry who are also[/B] fairly young). I think these have been very good moves, and I think the defense is set for the future (as long as they address the LB position in the next draft/free agency).

I do hope that next year, in addition to addressing the LBs, they would address the offensive line (their 1st rounder needs to be a lineman), and the RB position. So far, I'm fine with the influx of young players they have had, of course now they need to produce and get Ws.[/quote]

Time will tell if any of the draft picks pan out. Most of them haven't seen the field yet so we don't know if these are good moves or not.

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[quote=Bill B;568253]So who are the Skins going to cut from their Dline with Jarmon on board? I would have to think that Alexander is safe since he has more versatility as he can also play offensive line if the injury bug hits. I think Daniels is safe since he plays well against the run and is one of Coach Blatche's favorite players. So is it Wynn or Buzbee who gets the ax or both? Is there any restrictions as far as placing either on the practice squad (although I don't see Wynn accepting a practice squad position and he would just retire.)[/quote]

Both. I think Buzbee is as good as gone. And even though we all know Wynn is a great locker room guy he just doesn't have the athletism to play DE.