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[quote=SolidSnake84;777020]...They took a man who committed bad crimes and projected him in an even worse light. Vick was a criminal, but he is also a little bit of a victim when you look at how so many people have tried to go out of their way to keep him from doing what he loves.

...[/quote]

Sorry, but there are thousands, or 10s of thousands (or more) of people who committed a crime, and now are "kept from doing what they love". Many rehabilitated criminals live without the right to vote. None, or very few, will ever hold a job requiring a security clearance of any type - even if their very livelihood had depended on it. I definitely believe in second chances, and the fact that a man may screw up, but still deserves to be allowed to move forward. But your saying that Vick is being victimized, in ANY degree, is ridiculous. This man was bankrupt, jailed, and still has had the opportunities to come back and be on the top of his profession. As JR said, he is in no way, shape or form a victim.

any way. last words rarely are.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;777036]Some people are going to hate on Vick no matter what he does.[/quote]

So I guess it wasn't your last word. I have said it before and will say it again, I got no hate for Vick.

I [I][B]do[/B][/I] hate that Vick's actions are being rationalized away by those who wish to portray him as a victim or who chose to believe that he was not responsible for his own criminal behavior [I][B]and[/B][/I] I am sick to death of the sports media portraying his first steps toward rehabiliation as "mission accomplished" when, in any other profession, he would have far, far to go.

From my prior posting on Vick in the "Vick wants a Dog thread" which seems somewhat [I]appropos[/I]:

[quote=JoeRedskin;769628]First, please don't generalize about my beliefs - I try hard not to do so about others. True, I think what he did was indescribably evil. I don't think, however, that "there's no hope for him". "Fellas like me" firmly believe in redemption of the spirit. I just don't think redemption is something purchased easily - Vick has seemingly made a good start towards redemption but that is long road and Vick has barely walked the first mile.

As to all those guys who exposed him to such an environment? You know what - some will get the fixing they deserve, but, as always in life, some who deserve to be punished will skate on. It happens in all levels of society, not just in the circle Vick grew up in. All we can do as a society, is hold Vick responsible for his actions. He committed his actions, not the "culture" he was raised in. Just b/c lots of different parts of society needs "fixing", doesn't mean individuals who commit despicable acts should have those actions whitewashed.

Do you think Vick's cohorts in crime are being treated better than he? I sincerely doubt it. For sooo many jobs, if he weren't "Michael Vick, NFL QB", Vick would simply be DQ'd. Period, end of story. His co-conspirators don't have the physical talents that make them everyone's media darling ("Oh, look, Vick is throwing touchdowns, let's help him get 'rehabilitated'!"). No, it is more likely they will actually have to really work at [I]re[/I]gaining society's trust.

As I said, sure there is hope for Vick's redemption. From your posts, however, you appear to think redemption is something to be [I]given[/I] based on jail time and a few good acts done while in the spotlight of fame and fortune. I, on the other hand, believe it to be something purchased much more dearly.[/quote]

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I didnt defend Vick no matter what he did. But i am willing to let the past be the past, and move on. For some reason people are having a hard time doing that. Back when i was on Extreme Skins a few years ago, i villified Vick, but i never fell into the "lifetime ban" crowd that formed right before Vick's release. I wish we could all just move on from Vick's prison sentence, and all the people who were against his comeback...It's over with, we need to live in the now.

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No hate for Vick here either. No sympathy for him either.

In fact I really don't care either way, not sure why we're devoting so much time to the guy.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;777036]At least come out and say what you've got against Vick. I know your an animal owner. Is that the reason why? I looked back at your posts and [B]it just seemed to me like you went out of your way to bash the man[/B]. Is it something other than that???[/quote]

Define "bash". To me, I have accurately stated the nature of his transgressions. Tell me where I have "bashed" him?

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Vick getting a dog makes as much sense as a Child molester getting a child?

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^^ Did I say that??? Naw... I may have thought it, but I am sure I never said it. (Joking SS84, just joking).

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[quote=SolidSnake84;777047]I didnt defend Vick no matter what he did. But i am willing to let the past be the past, and move on. For some reason people are having a hard time doing that. Back when i was on Extreme Skins a few years ago, i villified Vick, but i never fell into the "lifetime ban" crowd that formed right before Vick's release. I wish we could all just move on from Vick's prison sentence, and all the people who were against his comeback...It's over with, we need to live in the now.[/quote]

Your opinion is just that......of which there are obviously many on the issue. NO more correct than any other.....opinion on the issue. MV generates much emotion for many and trying to convert everybody to...your opinion is.....a waste.
Move on Grasshopper, move on.........

And that's my LAST words on the issue.....maybe

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[quote=Hog1;777051]Vick getting a dog makes as much sense as a Child molester getting a child?[/quote]

The same argument could be made for guys who race dogs for a living. But it's not.

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[quote=Hog1;777054]Your opinion is just that......of which there are obviously many on the issue. NO more correct than any other.....opinion on the issue. MV generates much emotion for many and trying to convert everybody to...your opinion is.....a waste.
Move on Grasshopper, move on.........

[B]And that's my LAST words on the issue.....maybe[/B][/quote]

JoeRedskin endorses this statement - and its disclaimer.

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[quote=44ever;777055]The same argument could be made for guys who race dogs for a living. But it's not.[/quote]

Not sure of your meaning?
Dog racers:
a) Torture and kill dogs?
b) Molest children?

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[quote=Hog1;777058]Not sure of your meaning?
Dog racers:
a) Torture and kill dogs?
b) Molest children?[/quote]

Invoking your prior disclaimer awfully fast there Hog. Ever thought of entering the legal field?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;777060]Invoking your prior disclaimer awfully fast there Hog. Ever thought of entering the legal field?[/quote]
NO Comment...

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[quote=Hog1;777062]NO Comment...[/quote]

Shoot, let's just get you that law degree. You already know all the right answers.

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[quote=Hog1;777058]Not sure of your meaning?
Dog racers:
a) Torture and kill dogs?
b) Molest children?[/quote]

Basically the outcome of the dog after about 2 years of racing will be destroyed. Some are juiced to the point of insanity. They have Greyhound adoption agencies but how many people do you know who own Greyhounds? A few maybe. There are thousands destroyed every year.

Yet Greyhound owners are obviously allowed to own dogs. Oh yeah, most owners don't personally destroy the dog. They pay someone else to do that for them. But some do.

Have you been to the Naples Fort Myers Greyhound track? Not a dog over 4 years old racing there.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;777036][B][U]Some people are going to hate on Vick no matter what he does.[/U][/B]

At least come out and say what you've got against Vick. I know your an animal owner. Is that the reason why? I looked back at your posts and it just seemed to me like you went out of your way to bash the man. Is it something other than that???[/quote]

Thank you, that is it, in a short and simple statement.

I am neither pro or con on Vick.
Vick committed his crimes and admitted his guilt in [B][U]August of 2007[/U][/B]. [U]That is OVER THREE YEARS AGO. [/U] Going on four years.
I just do not understand the continued hate for a guy that paid the price for his crime, did his time in jail and lost all of his wealth and turned his life around. Some people are not content with that. They want to continue to HATE on Vick over and over again. Plain and simple.
For those that say they are upset because Vick is being portrayed as a victim, I have not seen or heard it. That is not to say it is not out there, but it not as prevalent as the hate for him.
My close friends are all dog owners and when they see Vick play they scream at the TV wanting Vick's opponents to break his legs or his neck. Literally hate him and want something bad to happen to him.
That is what I am talking about when i brought up the whole disproportionate amount of punishment.
What added fuel to the fire in this debate is Obama simply praised the Eagles for giving an ex-con a second chance and praised Vick for turning around his life. That is all. Obama never said Vick did not deserve his punishment or that he paid to heavy of a price. But yet some criticized Obama for "being a Vick sympathizer."
To be honest I do not really care that much. I just merely point out the over kill hatred and hypocrisy on some of the Vick haters.

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[quote=44ever;777064]Basically the outcome of the dog after about 2 years of racing will be destroyed. Some are juiced to the point of insanity. They have Greyhound adoption agencies but how many people do you know who own Greyhounds? A few maybe. There are thousands destroyed every year.

Yet Greyhound owners are obviously allowed to own dogs. Oh yeah, most owners don't personally destroy the dog. They pay someone else to do that for them. But some do.

[B]Have you been to the Naples Fort Myers Greyhound track?[/B] Not a dog over 4 years old racing there.[/quote]

No, for the reasons you state. I wanted to adopt a GH a few years ago. Doesn't work with a cat. GREAT DOGS!
I think it is a disgrace that the humane treatment of animals in this country carries so little weight...not my call.
HOWEVER, to my knowledge, the racers conform to the law(as bad as it is)?
MV....broke many?

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[quote=Hog1;777070]No, for the reasons you state. I wanted to adopt a GH a few years ago. Doesn't work with a cat. GREAT DOGS!
I think it is a disgrace that the humane treatment of animals in this country carries so little weight...not my call.
[B]HOWEVER, to my knowledge, the racers conform to the law(as bad as it is)?
MV....broke many[/B]?[/quote]

Yeah, that unfortunately is a true statement. I see your point.

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Wasn't sure if any of you watch 1000 ways to die

The episode last night was about a burgalar who stole pitbulls, his name was Vick. The pitbull that he tried to steal which killed him was Michael... Clever show.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;810346]Wasn't sure if any of you watch 1000 ways to die

The episode last night was about a burgalar who stole pitbulls, his name was Vick. The pitbull that he tried to steal which killed him was Michael... Clever show.[/quote]

Anything on Spike TV is about as clever as my left nut.

Also, horrible bump.

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facepalm

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I got a chuckle out of it..just something to pass the time/talk about since the lockout has us believing and talking about dream like scenarios and what nots

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[quote=hooskins;810351]facepalm[/quote]

Yep...

[IMG]http://www.gmrfm.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/887ea-picard_facepalm.jpg[/IMG]

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Anyone see what Chris Cooley sad on NFLN about vick this offseason? That eagles players are telling Cooley that Vick has never been more focused in his life. I hope that's not true, if it is I might have to take back everything all the horrible things I said about him when he was a Falcon. Being wrong is my least favorite thing.

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Can't you just post your TV-watching interests in one single thread?

This is spam.

[IMG]http://www.straferight.com/photopost/data/500/medium/double-facepalm.jpg[/IMG]

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Heres an icon I made when Colt Brennan was drafted.

[IMG]http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f237/redstout/pineapplecolt.jpg[/IMG]

(I dont have a face palm jpeg handy)

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[quote=skinster;810363]Anyone see what Chris Cooley sad on NFLN about vick this offseason? That eagles players are telling Cooley that Vick has never been more focused in his life. I hope that's not true, if it is I might have to take back everything all the horrible things I said about him when he was a Falcon. Being wrong is my least favorite thing.[/quote]

the guy has the ability to be a top passer. he's always had it. the question is can he master his craft, carry himself like a pro and learn to actually be a pro. right now he's got the perfect support system around him. i don't think marty mourningweg was too far off base saying he could be better than steve young.