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[quote=htownskinfan;581914]your right about the circumstances and drawing any conclusions from the first 2 games,but you can also say the same thing about the 3rd game.Were not evaluating a rookie,weve had 3 yrs of Jason and to say from 1 preseason game you cant suddenly anoit greatness.{thats not exactly what your saying,but I think you know what I mean}We know JC can play,hes shown flashes of it,but the same thing could be said for a lot of qbs,I just think you got a little too excited about 1 preseason game,thats all I'm saying,and on the same token some people get too excited about his poor play in preseason,I dont think you can base any hard conclusions from any of the first 3 games.That said,[B]JC's last game does raise my spirits and gives me hope for the season.[/B]
Just shelled out the bucks for directtvs sunday ticket and superfan package,so I'll be able to see the games in houston,and JC's last performance gives me hope that I didnt waste my money[/quote]

That's all I'm saying too dude

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[quote=Mattyk72;581990]That's all I'm saying too dude[/quote]

cool

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[quote=htownskinfan;582063]cool[/quote]

Just got caught up in the excitement of the evening is all. After a long offseason of all the trade rumors and BS like that, it was just nice to see the guy play well and show us something.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72;582064]Just got caught up in the excitement of the evening is all. [B] After a long offseason of all the trade rumors and BS like that, it was just nice to see the guy play well and show us something.[/[/B]QUOTE]

I'm happy for Jason and I'm happy for us. I think it was a glimpse of things to come this season.

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[quote=DCborn;581892]The plays called in the last procession was lacking. Three runs at the middle and punt. Throw one deep or across the middle. Why not go for the win inside of 2 minutes?
.[/quote]

Agreed, and that blame falls directly on Zorn. For us to have the success that we did the entire game throwing the ball, why not give us a chance to win the game?

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[quote=Ruhskins;581570]Agreed. Too bad you won't hear this too much this week. Man, what are JC haters going to do this week? LOL.[/quote]

Disagreed. As the saying goes, even a blind pig can find an acorn. Sadly, you're all setting yourselves up for heartbreak. And BTW, I don't consider myself a "JC hater" - I was on his bandwagon for 3 1/2 years - and now it's time to hop off....you DO remember Heath Shuler, don't you????

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[quote=beemnsevenspop;582080]Disagreed. As the saying goes, even a blind pig can find an acorn. Sadly, you're all setting yourselves up for heartbreak. And BTW, I don't consider myself a "JC hater" - I was on his bandwagon for 3 1/2 years - and now it's time to hop off....you DO remember Heath Shuler, don't you????[/quote]

Please tell me that you are not really comparing JC to Shuler.

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[quote=beemnsevenspop;582080]Disagreed. As the saying goes, even a blind pig can find an acorn. Sadly, you're all setting yourselves up for heartbreak. And BTW, I don't consider myself a "JC hater" - I was on his bandwagon for 3 1/2 years - and now it's time to hop off....[B]you DO remember Heath Shuler, don't you????[/B][/quote]

Do you pops? Not even close to being the same.

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[quote=Lotus;582104]Please tell me that you are not really comparing JC to Shuler.[/quote]

Time will bear me out, gentlemen - or I have a SH**-LOAD of crow to eat.....

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[quote=beemnsevenspop;582109]Time will bear me out, gentlemen - or I have a SH**-LOAD of crow to eat.....[/quote]

I know a good crow restaurant in Miami, and February is crow season. :)

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[quote=Smooter;582105]Do you pops? Not even close to being the same.[/quote]

You are correct about Shuler not being in Campbell's class - my point, and I s'pose I should have clarified it, was that Shuler - like Campbell - was billed as the Redskins' "Savior", so to speak; both first rounders, and both disappointments. If you're happy with JC's output after the past four freaking years, then by setting your sights low, you'll not be disappointed come the end of this season.

Quite frankly, I'm tired of hearing the same flimsy excuse about his performances - too many changes in offensive coordinators/offensive schemes and philosophies - being regurgitated year after year by myopic Campbell fans. Flacco and Ryan changed coordinators/systems - look how THEY produced their first year.

How many more lackluster seasons by this guy will it take for management to make the necessary adjustments to the roster? Shuler fit well in Tennessee's scheme, as Campbell did at Auburn - but alas, sometimes, college heroes are destined to become NFL zeroes. And while JC's not quite a zero, he's probably more attuned to assuming the role of backup.

Jusmytoosenzwurth - for what THAT'S worth.....

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;582112]I know a good crow restaurant in Miami, and February is crow season. :)[/quote]

My, you ARE the optimist, ain't-cha? :-)

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[quote=irish;581777]So who do you think is the ultimate game manager?[/quote]

Roethlisberger, Pennington, Delhomme are all guys who fit this bill, IMO. Solid QB's who put their team in positions to win, know when to make plays and when NOT to try to force plays, but are not going to "take over the game" like a Peyton Manning or Drew Brees.

I might even put McNabb in this category these days.

Being a gunslinger QB gets you on SportsCenter and to the top of fantasy football positional rankings, but doesn't guarantee Super Bowl rings. Favre is one of the undisputed all-time gunslingers, and owns how many NFL passing records, but owns just as many Super Bowl rings as Mark Rypien. Coincidence?

Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are not gunslingers. They are elite, well-rounded QBs whose physical gifts are exceeded only by their decision making skills.

It's pretty easy to look at a Brett Favre or Kurt Warner and find ample evidence of poor decision-making, though. High risk, high reward.

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[quote=beemnsevenspop;582122] Quite frankly, I'm tired of hearing the same flimsy excuse about his performances - too many changes in offensive coordinators/offensive schemes and philosophies - being regurgitated year after year by myopic Campbell fans. Flacco and Ryan changed coordinators/systems - look how THEY produced their first year.[/quote]

I'm sure you know this, but obviously this is necessary to remind u; learning a new offense system is harder than you think, even than we think.. QB is a position who have to knowledge of every position (perhaps except for o-line?).. Give the guy a break, this is his first time to have same offense for 2nd year, at least can you wait the judgment until the season is over?

Flacco; Cam Cameron protected him by calling LOT of running plays, Ravens is #1 in NFL for calling running plays (60% or something like that).. Ryan, I don't really have an argument for him, except that maybe he did not really change much on his throwing motions/footing? While JC was working on both throwing motions/footing and learning the system.. Or maybe Ryan is just that good?

After all, it's not like we can do something about it but to accept that he is our #1 QB.. Some of you guys have been arguing against JC for whole off-season and preseasons, and yet this does not make anything different for Redskins and us fans.. We all have heard same arguments over and over and over.. What's the point of continuing this?

Jesus christ, just goddamn give him a break and reserve your judgments until the season is over (this goes to all you JC bashers)..

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[quote=beemnsevenspop;582080]Disagreed. As the saying goes, even a blind pig can find an acorn. Sadly, you're all setting yourselves up for heartbreak. And BTW, I don't consider myself a "JC hater" - I was on his bandwagon for 3 1/2 years - and now it's time to hop off....you DO remember Heath Shuler, don't you????[/quote]

So you want me to blindly hate our team's QB and wish for a change thinking that this is going to change the team overnight?

Yes, I do remember Heath Shuler, and I don't know why you even bringing him up. I'm not saying taht JC is going to throw for 400 yds every single game and take us undefeated all season. But I think he's a solid QB that has gotten some shitty fortunes for the past couple of seasons. He's the best option at QB, and if the offensive line protects him we will see him make plays like he did when we went 6-2 last season. Our team is still a run-first team with a very good defense. We don't need Campbell to put the team on his back every single time, we just need him to be a good QB and this is the last season he has to prove this. If he doesn't, he's gone and the team can start from scratch. Until them, you'll see me defending him from the JC-hating lunatics, and praising him when he does well (which I hope happens a lot this season).

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[quote=beemnsevenspop;582080]Disagreed. As the saying goes, even a blind pig can find an acorn. Sadly, you're all setting yourselves up for heartbreak. And BTW, I don't consider myself a "JC hater" - [B]I was on his bandwagon for 3 1/2 years - and now it's time to hop off[/B]....you DO remember Heath Shuler, don't you????[/quote]

So... will you be rooting for him or against him this season??

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[quote=beemnsevenspop;582122]
Quite frankly, I'm tired of hearing the same flimsy excuse about his performances - too many changes in offensive coordinators/offensive schemes and philosophies - being regurgitated year after year by myopic Campbell fans. Flacco and Ryan changed coordinators/systems - look how THEY produced their first year[/quote]

Wait, are you holding up Ryan and Flacco's stats last year as an example of why Campbell isn't any good?

Ryan threw for ~200 more yards, 3 more TD's and 5 more INT's. Flacco threw 300 yards fewer than Jason, one more TD and 6 more INT's.

The QB you can best compare to JC right now is probably a guy like Jake Delhomme. If you compare the first 30 or so games of both players, their stats are remarkably similar, with Jake owning a couple more wins than Jason. The major difference is Delhomme having a higher y/a and Jason having a lower INT%.

Both were on teams that were largely run-first teams with stout defenses and a speedster-mold WR as their main target. And those Panther teams had the benefit of Muhammad as a dynamite possession guy at the WR2 while we've had no legit WR2 for years.

Given that Delhomme turned into a pretty solid if unspectacular QB who was able to lead the Panthers to the playoffs many times and can win when he's got some talent to work with, I don't think this is such a horrible floor for a guy like Campbell. If he turns out to be even more of a player, so much the better.

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I'm so tired of the anti-Campbell crowd.

Jason is our quarterback for the season. At minimum, deal with it. And if you are a real fan of the Redskins, you will support him. If you can't support him, find another team.

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[quote=Lotus;582238]I'm so tired of the anti-Campbell crowd.

Jason is our quarterback for the season. At minimum, deal with it. And if you are a real fan of the Redskins, you will support him. If you can't support him, find another team.[/quote]

Couldn't have said it better myself. I swear, sometimes I feel there are people here that want JC to fail.

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[quote=Ruhskins;582239]Couldn't have said it better myself. I swear, sometimes I feel there are people here that want JC to fail.[/quote]

Yeah for some it seems more important to be right than to win.

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I'm not going to quote anybody.... I'm going to simply ask that NO MATTER what happened before this season, Judge Campbell on this years performance. WE HAVE NO ONE BETTER TO PLAY QB!!!! that said, I will be surprised if soup can pull out an 8-8 record... Soups' decision making process runs as fast as chilled molases...

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JC can be good if people give him a chance, watch, he'll have a breakout year and leave and win a couple rings and people will be saying...man why didn't we hang on to that guy.

that said, i wouldnt' mind seeing tim tebow in a skins uniform, i hear a lil guy named danny snyder is in love with him.

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[quote=GridIron26;582226]Flacco; Cam Cameron protected him by calling LOT of running plays, Ravens is #1 in NFL for calling running plays (60% or something like that).. Ryan, I don't really have an argument for him, except that maybe he did not really change much on his throwing motions/footing? While JC was working on both throwing motions/footing and learning the system.. Or maybe Ryan is just that good?[/quote]

Flacco's stats from last year are NOT better than Jason Campbell's. I will repeat that, Joe Flacco did not have better stats last year than Jason Campbell. 14 Td's, 12 INTs and 2971 Yards << 13, 6, and 3245. I'm so sick of people confusing a great team with a great QB. Flacco was basically in a no fail situation, they have a far better d than Washington and 3 running backs who all contributed more than anyone not named Clinton Portis. It's pretty difficult to have a bad season in that case.

Matt Ryan's stats are comparable. He threw 16 TDs, 11 picks and 3440 yards, that's pretty comparable to JC and he had a consistent running game and a much better wide receiver than anyone who was on the Skins roster last year. That will probably offend people, but Roddy White is better, right now, than Santana Moss.

I'm not trying to act like Ryan or Flacco aren't good players (Flacco has looked great this preseason) but everyone jumping on their jocks because their teams won makes little sense. Flacco didn't outplay Campbell last season and Ryan probably did, but the fact remains, there were far worse QB's in the playoffs last season than Jason Campbell.

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[quote=dgack;582235]Wait, are you holding up Ryan and Flacco's stats last year as an example of why Campbell isn't any good?

Ryan threw for ~200 more yards, 3 more TD's and 5 more INT's. Flacco threw 300 yards fewer than Jason, one more TD and 6 more INT's.

The QB you can best compare to JC right now is probably a guy like Jake Delhomme. If you compare the first 30 or so games of both players, their stats are remarkably similar, with Jake owning a couple more wins than Jason. The major difference is Delhomme having a higher y/a and Jason having a lower INT%.

Both were on teams that were largely run-first teams with stout defenses and a speedster-mold WR as their main target. And those Panther teams had the benefit of Muhammad as a dynamite possession guy at the WR2 while we've had no legit WR2 for years.

Given that Delhomme turned into a pretty solid if unspectacular QB who was able to lead the Panthers to the playoffs many times and can win when he's got some talent to work with, I don't think this is such a horrible floor for a guy like Campbell. If he turns out to be even more of a player, so much the better.[/quote]

I believe this makes my previous post fall into the category of "read the entire thread before posting." This is pretty much exactly what I was saying.

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[quote=Lotus;582238]I'm so tired of the anti-Campbell crowd.

Jason is our quarterback for the season. At minimum, deal with it. And if you are a real fan of the Redskins, you will support him. If you can't support him, find another team.[/quote]

Thats just about sums it up, enough already!!!

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[quote=Mattyk72;581565]Yeah I'm going to open this can of worms... Let's give it up for JC. Dude showed me tonight that he can flat out play.[/quote]

I have to concur with this statement. Was proud of what Campbell did, I hope he can take this and sustain the momentum in Week 1

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;581636]Seeing Big AL crush Brady after he ran it up on us last time to me was worth the money we are paying him. How did that feel Tommy boy?? Thats what we call a sack lunch num num num num lol[/quote]


Yesssss....I loved it

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[quote=lotus;582238]i'm so tired of the anti-campbell crowd.

Jason is our quarterback for the season. At minimum, deal with it. And if you are a real fan of the redskins, you will support him. If you can't support him, find another team.[/quote]

agree 110%
this needed to be said.

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[quote=Lotus;582238]I'm so tired of the anti-Campbell crowd.

Jason is our quarterback for the season. At minimum, deal with it. And if you are a real fan of the Redskins, [B]you will support him[/B]. If you can't support him, [B]find another team[/B].[/quote]


Ah yes - that would be part of the Blind, Mindless Obedience doctrine -the pertinent portion that dictates, "If a player wears burgundy and gold, he [B]WILL[/B] command undying support to the bitter end, regardless of one's opinion as to that player's relative worth to the organization. Disparaging remarks will not be tolerated."

If one's devotion to this team is measured in terms of the amount of criticism directed towards one or more of its players, based on some of the remarks I've seen over the relatively short period of time I've been a member of this forum, I dare say that there'd be a mass exodus of 'skins fans, were said detractors prone to subscribe to your philosophy.

That said, I've been a "real fan" of the Redskins for darned close to forty years now, and I've seen nothing thus far that would warrant my defection, quarterback selection notwithstanding.

This forum is all ABOUT opinions - and while you no doubt have heard the familiar saying about them - everyone's got one, most of 'em stink - we're ALL entitled to them, and within the boundaries of proper decorum, entitled to share them.

If you find my opinions that objectionable, I respectfully suggest that you consider blocking them.

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Campbell showed sparks of a truly poised, confident and dangerous playmaker. He also made mistakes. It's pre-season and at least he showed me something to make me have a little confidence that he is growing, getting better and may just prove all of his detractors wrong. I'm behind him all the way because like other posters have pointed out, he's all we got.
I'm hoping that the O-line provides him with some protection against the VAgiants because if they do....upset city, baby!

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[quote=beemnsevenspop;582340]Ah yes - that would be part of the Blind, Mindless Obedience doctrine -the pertinent portion that dictates, "If a player wears burgundy and gold, he [B]WILL[/B] command undying support to the bitter end, regardless of one's opinion as to that player's relative worth to the organization. Disparaging remarks will not be tolerated."

If one's devotion to this team is measured in terms of the amount of criticism directed towards one or more of its players, based on some of the remarks I've seen over the relatively short period of time I've been a member of this forum, I dare say that there'd be a mass exodus of 'skins fans, were said detractors prone to subscribe to your philosophy.

That said, I've been a "real fan" of the Redskins for darned close to forty years now, and I've seen nothing thus far that would warrant my defection, quarterback selection notwithstanding.

This forum is all ABOUT opinions - and while you no doubt have heard the familiar saying about them - everyone's got one, most of 'em stink - we're ALL entitled to them, and within the boundaries of proper decorum, entitled to share them.

If you find my opinions that objectionable, I respectfully suggest that you consider blocking them.[/quote]


You say people are entitled to opinions and then you critisize someone else's opinion.

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[quote=Mattyk72;582232]So... will you be rooting for him or against him this season??[/quote]


I absolutely root for him as well as the entire team. But, to beat this dead horse to an absolute pulp, [B]IMHO[/B], I'm inclined to give someone another chance. He's made too many poor choices on the field based on his tenure. But most importantly, I just don't think he has the capacity to be the leader this team needs right now.

The point may be moot, however, as I believe this is the final year of his contract. Like others have observed, if he doesn't have a Pro Bowl year, I think he's toast.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;582346]You say people are entitled to opinions and then you critisize someone else's opinion.[/quote]


It was a response, not criticism.

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[quote=beemnsevenspop;582348]I absolutely root for him as well as the entire team. But, to beat this dead horse to an absolute pulp, [B]IMHO[/B], I'm inclined to give someone another chance. He's made too many poor choices on the field based on his tenure. But most importantly, I just don't think he has the capacity to be the leader this team needs right now.

The point may be moot, however, as I believe this is the final year of his contract. Like others have observed, if he doesn't have a Pro Bowl year, I think he's toast.[/quote]

Ok just checking.

As for giving someone else a chance, who at this point?

Nobody would argue this is a do or die year for JC.

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[quote=beemnsevenspop;582348]I absolutely root for him as well as the entire team. But, to beat this dead horse to an absolute pulp, [B]IMHO[/B], I'm inclined to give someone another chance. He's made too many poor choices on the field based on his tenure. [B]But most importantly, I just don't think he has the capacity to be the leader this team needs right now.[/B]

The point may be moot, however, as I believe this is the final year of his contract. Like others have observed, if he doesn't have a Pro Bowl year, I think he's toast.[/quote]

In the past, I agree but there was something a little different about his poise and attitude last Friday that I haven't seen. Could be a flash but hoping it's a trend. Hoping. I think we all [I]hope[/I] he can blossom.

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I hope we can resign JC after the break out year we're going to have.lil Timmy T. down in Florida would just set us back another 3-5 years.

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[quote=Mattyk72;582351]Ok just checking.

As for giving someone else a chance, who at this point?

Nobody would argue this is a do or die year for JC.[/quote]

Unless I'm mistaken, JC has already "earned" the starting spot, so he starts, of course. But, should Campbell flounder like I expect he will, then don't waste yet more time "bringing him along", especially if we're still in contention at that point. Collins would naturally get the nod. If we're out of contention, then Chase should get as much playing time as possible. (Yes, I think if Thursday's match up ends as I suspect, Colt gets the boot.)

And then there's that guy named Tebow, I believe, who should be around next April - maybe we can "throw" the next 16 games and invite him to play - wouldn't THAT be splendid??? :-)

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[quote=dblanch66;582344]Campbell showed sparks of a truly poised, confident and dangerous playmaker. He also made mistakes. It's pre-season and at least he showed me something to make me have a little confidence that he is growing, getting better and may just prove all of his detractors wrong. I'm behind him all the way because like other posters have pointed out, he's all we got.
I'm hoping that the O-line provides him with some protection against the VAgiants because if they do....upset city, baby![/quote]

I partially agree - compared with the last half of last season - and the first two games (yeah, they WERE games) this year, he did shine. But he had nowhere else to go BUT up. If I thought he were a consistent QB, I'd have some expectation for success. Realistically though, with JC, it's more or less a crap shoot.

But I disagree he's all we have.

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Get off Jason Campbell's back! He is the best quarterback the Redskins have. He had a very good performance, against a very good team in regular season conditions. What more do you need to see? There are people on this site that would criticize him if he led the Redskins to the playoffs. Yet these same people defend Colt Brennan after two major bonehead plays. In my book, Colt is playing his way into being cut. The nice pass to Marko Mitchell does not make up for the interception and sack in the Red Zone. Interceptions happen but you have to be more decisive in the Red Zone. Cannot allow a potential score turn into a score the other way. The quarterback has to be aware when they are in scoring position to not take a sack. Colt's awareness in the Red Zone is highly questionable. To me, his job is on the line. He better not make any of those same bonehead plays in the last game against Jacksonville.

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[quote=beemnsevenspop;582359]

And then there's that guy named Tebow, I believe, who should be around next April - maybe we can "throw" the next 16 games and invite him to play - wouldn't THAT be splendid??? :-)[/quote]


Your joking about Tebow right?