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sandtrapjack, we don't like haters around here. You'll see Fat Albert up and personal real soon when he blows up that O-line of yours.

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The biggest disappointment from yesterday's defensive showing is this:

[INDENT]The Skins spent big time $$$ and draft picks on the defensive side of the ball in the off-season and what they got for that was what we saw last year.[/INDENT]


With 9 minutes (approx) to play and trailing by 10, the Skins punted the ball to the Giants in Giants' terriroty. What they needed from the defense there was a "3-and-out". Get the ball back; get one score and the game is in reach with a field goal and a TD.

What did they get? They got a defense that let the Giants drive the ball for 6 minutes (approx) and kick another field goal. That meant they needed two TDs to win and had only about 3 and a half minutes to make that happen.

That same kind of play happened about three or four times last year. It is not a recipe for winning enough football games to make it ot the playoffs. I was expecting better this year.

Thanks for playing; what parting gifts do we have for our defense, Charles...?

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^Well, we have a big fat game check and another chance of winning a football game next week.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;589113]Ratliff was a 7th rounder and did not get a 100 million dollar contract with 41 Mill garaunteed. And he has been to just as many pro bowls as the 100 milllion dollar Haynesworth.

Oh and you forgot to add a 34-21 victory.

Just saying you could have gotten the same production for less cap money is all.[/quote]

Just making a point that you can't quote a couple of stats and say someone's gotta step it up. Obviously, Ratliff isn't getting paid the money Haynesworth is.

If you want to start a thread about AH being worth 40 mill guaranteed, start one. That's another story. AH played pretty damn well yesterday. BTW...the Bucs aren't close to the NY Giants.

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[quote=saden1;589130]sandtrapjack, we don't like haters around here. You'll see Fat Albert up and personal real soon when he blows up that O-line of yours.[/quote]My intention was not to hijack this thread, and I am not trying to smack talk. I am also not saying that AH was a bad investment. Is it too early to tell after one game? Of course!

All I said was he needs to step it up to be worth the money that was shelled out to him.

And personally am not worried about AH when he goes up against Gurode. We all know what happened last time Gurode and Haynesworth played against one another.

AH stomped on Gurodes face earning himself a 4 game suspension and Gurode 18 stiches. But even Haynesworth admitted that the reason he did it was he was "frustrated".

To translate, because Gurode owned him alll day during that game in Tennessee.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;589165]My intention was not to hijack this thread, and I am not trying to smack talk. I am also not saying that AH was a bad investment. Is it too early to tell after one game? Of course!

All I said was he needs to step it up to be worth the money that was shelled out to him.

And personally am not worried about AH when he goes up against Gurode. We all know what happened last time Gurode and Haynesworth played against one another.

AH stomped on Gurodes face earning himself a 4 game suspension and Gurode 18 stiches. But even Haynesworth admitted that the reason he did it was he was "frustrated".

To translate, because Gurode owned him alll day during that game in Tennessee.[/quote]

I very much doubt Gurode can handle him all by himself. I'd love to see 1-on-1 match up there. BTW, how many of Fat Albert's tackles from yesterday were for a loss?

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[quote=sandtrapjack;589165]To translate, because Gurode owned him alll day during that game in Tennessee.[/quote]

Dallas has a lot of very talented players, but IMO Gurode is not an elite center. For starters, he is God awful at getting Romo the ball when he's in shotgun. Last season alone I must have seen half a dozen balls snapped at Romo's face or over his head.

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[quote=saden1;589181][b]I very much doubt Gurode can handle him all by himself.[/b] I'd love to see 1-on-1 match up there. BTW, how many of Fat Albert's tackles from yesterday were for a loss?[/quote]
Uh he already HAS handled him all by himself. The result....Haynesworth suspended.....Gurode Pro Bowl.

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[quote=GTripp0012;588938]Really, the only difference between Eli and Jason Campbell at this point in their careers is that Eli is better in the pocket. He moves better, and does better with the pocket collapsing around him.

Otherwise, they are very similar players.[/quote]

Ummm Eli has led a team through the playoffs to win a superbowl. Eli actually led a team that was a heavy underdog to beat one of the best NFL teams of all time in media frenzy New York, where people and teammates (Tiki) who criticized him and his ability to win regularly. Eli led one of the greatest drives in Superbowl history. That is a huge difference to me that favors Eli. Leadership and the ability to rally your team to a win...Never seen it in JC. JC couldnt rally the team when they were spiralling to the basement in the division last year. He couldnt put the team on his shoulders and make people around him better. He needs this ability, this confidence in a big win...hopefully he finds it. Big Ben isnt what I consider a great QB by his stats, but his leadership ability and his ability to just get the win puts him in the conversation every year.

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[quote=Chico23231;589236]Ummm Eli has led a team through the playoffs to win a superbowl. Eli actually led a team that was a heavy underdog to beat one of the best NFL teams of all time in media frenzy New York, where people and teammates (Tiki) who criticized him and his ability to win regularly. Eli led one of the greatest drives in Superbowl history. That is a huge difference to me that favors Eli. Leadership and the ability to rally your team to a win...Never seen it in JC. JC couldnt rally the team when they were spiralling to the basement in the division last year. He couldnt put the team on his shoulders and make people around him better. He needs this ability, this confidence in a big win...hopefully he finds it. Big Ben isnt what I consider a great QB by his stats, but his leadership ability and his ability to just get the win puts him in the conversation every year.[/quote]

If Campbell hasn't learned to move around in the pocket yet, he never will. Pocket awareness is pretty important. I also don't recall seeing Eli audible to a running play on 3rd and 8. When teams have taken away the run, Eli has proven plenty capable of shouldering the load (see game 2 against the Skins last year. We played the run and he carved us up with the pass). JC may improve one day, but he's not as good as Eli at this point.

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[quote=Chico23231;588866]The absolute bottom line is the offense needs to produce. Point-blank, thats it, no excuses. Everybody, JC, Zorn, recievers, line. That performance yesterday was garbage. Plain and simple. Everyone who plays O deserves to shoulder the blame. The excuses of JC under another new offense, Zorn is a first year head coach he will improve, the oline will be better, all that is gone. The offense should be better than last year. In order to win in this division is you got to score. Anybody see the points Cowboys and Eagles scored yesterday? The mistakes have to end or Zorn and Campbell are gone-bottom line and thats not my opinion, that is reality. Snyder isnt going to wait on Zorn. Now everyone wants to point fingers at the Defense. I have a sh*t-ton more faith in Blache and the Defensive than Zorn and the Offensive. That secondary is basically the same from last year when the Defense was 4th in the league and our D-line players have greatly improved. Now the D didnt play great yesterday BUT they provided opportunities for the crap offense and they did NOTHING. I dont need to provide stats to back up what I saw yesterday on offense, anybody who watched saw we were shut down. Toss that game ending touchdown out the window, that is not a factor. We are only as good as a last game. Not too good.[/quote]


I could not agree more. Defense certainly needs to improve and I am starting to worry about D Hall, tackling was god awful, but defense is also played best with emotion it is almost about emotion, that is why guys like Ray Lewis and Mike Singletary look like they are half cocked and the offensive stars like Joe Montana, Tom Brady tend to be more controlled. That being said the offense has to do a little better imo with their drives especially following turnovers especially turnovers deep in the opponents territory. It is hard to play motivated football when you scratch and claw for a stop or a turnover and the offense keeps letting the opportunities go. (It does however provide fuel for guys who hate our defense to say hey if you'd have gotten one [U]more[/U] stop or one [U]more[/U] turnover at the end we could have won. You know the kind of guy I'm talking about. All around sub par performance though.

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[quote=RedBar;589292]I could not agree more. Defense certainly needs to improve and I am starting to worry about D Hall, tackling was god awful, but defense is also played best with emotion it is almost about emotion, that is why guys like Ray Lewis and Mike Singletary look like they are half cocked and the offensive stars like Joe Montana, Tom Brady tend to be more controlled. That being said the offense has to do a little better imo with their drives especially following turnovers especially turnovers deep in the opponents territory. It is hard to play motivated football when you scratch and claw for a stop or a turnover and the offense keeps letting the opportunities go. (It does however provide fuel for guys who hate our defense to say hey if you'd have gotten one [U]more[/U] stop or one [U]more[/U] turnover at the end we could have won. You know the kind of guy I'm talking about. All around sub par performance though.[/quote]

Do you think there is growing animosity between the offense and defense, or has it not gotten to that point?

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[quote=sandtrapjack;589165]My intention was not to hijack this thread, and I am not trying to smack talk. I am also not saying that AH was a bad investment. Is it too early to tell after one game? Of course!

All I said was he needs to step it up to be worth the money that was shelled out to him.

And personally am not worried about AH when he goes up against Gurode. We all know what happened last time Gurode and Haynesworth played against one another.

AH stomped on Gurodes face earning himself a 4 game suspension and Gurode 18 stiches. But even Haynesworth admitted that the reason he did it was he was "frustrated".

To translate, because Gurode owned him alll day during that game in Tennessee.[/quote]

I was reading the post like who is this guy they are speaking of. Then I realized that the post were very vague and unintelligent. Then it dawned on me..Dallas fan. Scrolled down. There he was. LMAO

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You know what would be a fun lineup to see in the DL? Alexander playing DE, Haynesworth and Montgomery in the middle and Carter in the other end spot. See if other teams can run up the middle when you got 350 and 330 lbs. walls standing in front of you and Alexander and Carter pressuring from the outside, might as well throw in Jarmon in the outside for fun too.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;589317]You know what would be a fun lineup to see in the DL? Alexander playing DE, Haynesworth and Montgomery in the middle and Carter in the other end spot. See if other teams can run up the middle when you got 350 and 330 lbs. walls standing in front of you and Alexander and Carter pressuring from the outside, might as well throw in Jarmon in the outside for fun too.[/quote]

I would like to see Jarmon in the game a little bit more on passing downs. Him and Wilson are probably our best passrushers on that side of the line.

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[quote=53Fan;589319]I would like to see Jarmon in the game a little bit more on passing downs. Him and Wilson are probably our best passrushers on that side of the line.[/quote]

Agreed. I just don't get how we use our personnel AT ALL!!

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[quote=sandtrapjack;589228]Uh he already HAS handled him all by himself. The result....Haynesworth suspended.....Gurode Pro Bowl.[/quote]

Round one goes to Gurode but that battle was 2006, this is 2009. In 2009 my money is on Fat Albert.

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[quote=saden1;589353]Round one goes to Gurode but that battle was 2006, this is 2009. In 2009 my money is on Fat Albert.[/quote]
Lol, Okay Okay, I can respect that. We'll have to see what unfolds on November 22nd. I have tickets for that game already so I can get a first hand account too. I'll check back with you on November 23rd.

By the way, did anyone hear Eli Manning on Mike & Mike this morning? He was asked what the Giants did to minimize Haynesworth so much.

Eli basically said they did nothing special, that they ran their normal gameplan that they always use against the Redskins. He did say that the 2 early long drives the Giants had (10+ plays each drive) seemed the wear on Haynesworth and that they did not think he was in "Game-Shape" because of AH missing some of training camp. He did acknowledge that AH is a force in the middle, but only a few minor shifts with the TE's set him up in the gap that want AH line up in.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;589308]I was reading the post like who is this guy they are speaking of. Then I realized that the post were very vague and unintelligent. Then it dawned on me..Dallas fan. Scrolled down. There he was. LMAO[/quote]
Laugh all you want, but nothing takes away from the fact that Haynesworth got the biggest contract in history in the off season. And in his regular season debut he got only 4 tackles. Which ranks him at #178 of all defense players in the NFL.

I am not saying AH sucks, I am not saying he's not that good. To the contrary he is a force in the middle.

But I am saying that by week 6, if he is STILL averaging only 4 tackles per game the Redskins could have gotten that production for much less money is all.

As much as I read forum members here complaining about over paying players in the past like Deion Sanders, Brandon Jacobs, Antwan Randle El etc etc I would think that you would understand my meaning.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;589424]Lol, Okay Okay, I can respect that. We'll have to see what unfolds on November 22nd. I have tickets for that game already so I can get a first hand account too. I'll check back with you on November 23rd.

By the way, did anyone hear Eli Manning on Mike & Mike this morning? He was asked what the Giants did to minimize Haynesworth so much.

Eli basically said they did nothing special, that they ran their normal gameplan that they always use against the Redskins. He did say that the 2 early long drives the Giants had (10+ plays each drive) seemed the wear on Haynesworth and that they did not think he was in "Game-Shape" because of AH missing some of training camp. He did acknowledge that AH is a force in the middle, but only a few minor shifts with the TE's set him up in the gap that want AH line up in.[/quote]

Yea, he's going to say something like that. It's QB speak. I think too much is made about AH playing every down. All teams rotate their defensive line. We also have depth w/ Golston and Montgomery, so I have no problem w/ it.

I also doubt that most of the larger interior d lineman in the NFL are in complete game shape at week 1.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;589427]Laugh all you want, but nothing takes away from the fact that Haynesworth got the biggest contract in history in the off season. And in his regular season debut he got only 4 tackles. Which ranks him at #178 of all defense players in the NFL.

I am not saying AH sucks, I am not saying he's not that good. To the contrary he is a force in the middle.

But I am saying that by week 6, if he is STILL averaging only 4 tackles per game the Redskins could have gotten that production for much less money is all.

As much as I read forum members here complaining about over paying players in the past like Deion Sanders, Brandon Jacobs, Antwan Randle El etc etc I would think that you would understand my meaning.[/quote]

His job isn't necessarily tackles. His job is to take up 2 or three linemen when he is in. The better judgement will be if our DE's and LBs are getting in to make plays quicker, and are we getting more tackles for loss as a team. If we are judging value by his stat line alone, I doubt he would ever be worth it.

Another way to say it, Brandon Jacobs ran effectively against us both games last season(we all remember his off tackle run where he bowled over LL). This game he didn't and so they had to switch to an outside runner whose goal, I think they admitted this, was to tire AH out. If opposing teams are changing their game to focus on AH then he is worth it, because as much as I like our DT's from last year, let's be honest, no team gameplanned around the interior of our line.

Finally, we are talking about the Giants Oline, which has been a very effective line for 2 1/2 years now. Let's see how well some other teams handle it before we write off the AH effect.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;589427]Laugh all you want, but nothing takes away from the fact that Haynesworth got the biggest contract in history in the off season. And in his regular season debut he got only 4 tackles. Which ranks him at #178 of all defense players in the NFL.

I am not saying AH sucks, I am not saying he's not that good. To the contrary he is a force in the middle.

But I am saying that by week 6, if he is STILL averaging only 4 tackles per game the Redskins could have gotten that production for much less money is all.

As much as I read forum members here complaining about over paying players in the past like Deion Sanders, Brandon Jacobs, Antwan Randle El etc etc I would think that you would understand my meaning.[/quote]

I don't understand what you are trying to do here, other than stretch an overused criticism of our team. Last year Brandon Jacobs ran all over us, he was a non-factor this year. We did get pressure on Eli, he threw a pick and coughed up the ball.

The key is that the rest of the defense played poorly (secondary), the team made stupid mistakes (personal fouls), the play calling was terrible, and our offense fizzled again.

If AH is not there, the Giants would have blown us out on the ground and in the air.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;589427]Laugh all you want, but nothing takes away from the fact that Haynesworth got the biggest contract in history in the off season. And in his regular season debut he got only 4 tackles. Which ranks him at #178 of all defense players in the NFL.

I am not saying AH sucks, I am not saying he's not that good. To the contrary he is a force in the middle.

But I am saying that by week 6, if he is STILL averaging only 4 tackles per game the Redskins could have gotten that production for much less money is all.

As much as I read forum members here complaining about over paying players in the past like Deion Sanders, Brandon Jacobs, Antwan Randle El etc etc I would think that you would understand my meaning.[/quote]

Haynesworth's value isn't going to be measured by tackles, he typically only gets 3-4 a game anyway. Teams simply don't run his way.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;589113]Ratliff was a 7th rounder and did not get a 100 million dollar contract with 41 Mill garaunteed. And he has been to just as many pro bowls as the 100 milllion dollar Haynesworth.

Oh and you forgot to add a 34-21 victory.

Just saying you could have gotten the same production for less cap money is all.[/quote]


Comparing playing against Tampa Bay and The Giants is just ridiculous. Just saying...

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[quote=sandtrapjack;589228]Uh he already HAS handled him all by himself. The result....Haynesworth suspended.....Gurode Pro Bowl.[/quote]


:pffff:

I think we ALL know who got "handled" in that matchup.

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[quote=sandtrapjack;589427]Laugh all you want, but nothing takes away from the fact that Haynesworth got the biggest contract in history in the off season. And in his regular season debut he got only 4 tackles. Which ranks him at #178 of all defense players in the NFL.

I am not saying AH sucks, I am not saying he's not that good. To the contrary he is a force in the middle.

But I am saying that by week 6, if he is STILL averaging only 4 tackles per game the Redskins could have gotten that production for much less money is all.

As much as I read forum members here complaining about over paying players in the past like Deion Sanders, Brandon Jacobs, Antwan Randle El etc etc I would think that you would understand my meaning.[/quote]

Warren Sapp never averaged more than 3 tackles a game, per season, in his career. In fact, he often only averaged 2 tackles a game. Was he an overpaid bust too?

You don't measure dominate DT's by their tackle totals... that's just ridiculous.




[url=http://www.nfl.com/players/warrensapp/profile?id=SAP635685]Warren Sapp[/url]

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Haynesworth is already making his presence felt. Around the 5th game or so he'll be even more dominant. Even he has said they haven't gelled yet. I think you could say that about alot of defenses at this point in the season. Tampa Bays unheralded offense looked pretty damn good for awhile there, they just blew too many opportunities. There will be no regrets about signing Haynesworth.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;589431]His job isn't necessarily tackles. His job is to take up 2 or three linemen when he is in. The better judgement will be if our DE's and LBs are getting in to make plays quicker, and are we getting more tackles for loss as a team. If we are judging value by his stat line alone, I doubt he would ever be worth it.

Another way to say it, Brandon Jacobs ran effectively against us both games last season(we all remember his off tackle run where he bowled over LL). This game he didn't and so they had to switch to an outside runner whose goal, I think they admitted this, was to tire AH out. If opposing teams are changing their game to focus on AH then he is worth it, because as much as I like our DT's from last year, let's be honest, no team gameplanned around the interior of our line.

Finally, we are talking about the Giants Oline, which has been a very effective line for 2 1/2 years now. Let's see how well some other teams handle it before we write off the AH effect.[/quote]
Good post, excellent arguement.

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haynesworth shouldn't be the focus where disappointment is concerned. It's playing orakpo at linebacker and the secondary's play. If you're talking about defensive production, linebacker's the position that needs to produce and orakpo just didn't produce. He needs to either be limited at linebacker or completely be a defensive end. Because right now, he just isn't ready at linebacker and that's going to kill the redskins all year long if he continues to start there (lb).

The secondary needs to start playing together. Defensive backs are going to get beat on every team in every game, that usually is a given. But what separates the good secondaries from the bad ones is playing together and providing some help when a teammate needs it. That's why I said before the giants game, landry is going to need to step up his game this season.

And when landry stepped up his game - the result was an interception that put the redskins offense in good position.

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[quote=SmootSmack;589297]Do you think there is growing animosity between the offense and defense, or has it not gotten to that point?[/quote]

To be honest the Skins have some pretty high character guys in the locker room, I dont think it will get to that point. I think Blache would kick someone's ass if they even hinted at it. That is one thing Snyder has done in the FO is get players who are not problems or have character issues which is a positive unlike the Cowgirls or Bengals.

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I hope they are going to do this alot through out 4 quarters, not just few selective plays..

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/expect-corners-to-get-closer-t.html]Redskins Insider - Expect Corners to Get Closer to Receivers[/url]

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[quote=GTripp0012;588661]Well, okay, I guess you have an turnover-related argument as far as costing us a winnable game. But if you take out ALL of the offensive contributions, yards, points, turnovers, and just look at the defensive contributions, you have two big plays mixed in with a completely uncompetitive game.

In reality, we only lost by 6. If I had just gone through the defensive plays only, I would have assumed a 14-17 point loss. [U]And isn't that the real measuring stick here?[/quote][/U]

Absolutely not! There you go wanting to play the game in your head based upon statistical breakdowns. I am sure in your world Michael Crabtree is doing the right thing holding out for money he should have gotten if the Raiders would have done the right thing. GTripp are you advising Crabtree? That is the line that your logic takes us down. No thanks.

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[quote=RedBar;590340][/u]

Absolutely not! There you go wanting to play the game in your head based upon statistical breakdowns. I am sure in your world Michael Crabtree is doing the right thing holding out for money he should have gotten if the Raiders would have done the right thing. GTripp are you advising Crabtree? That is the line that your logic takes us down. No thanks.[/quote]You don't really make any sense when you post.

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how would advising Crabtree not to play make any statistical sense?
It's a pretty linear regression saying that every week he holds out, he loses a game check. And the slotting process for rookies is pretty linear. you would have to be a complete imbecile and very bad with math, to try and show Crabtree should hold out from a purely analytical basis.

Not that it has any bearing on how our defense played or didn't play.

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and to add this to the arguement with the cowgirl up there. Haynesworth was instrumental in that goal line stop and also in forcing the Giants to kick a field goal. So if anyone played solid on the line he did. As far as the DE's that's a different story.

We definitely need to put Orakpo on the front line. People are saying stopping the run is his issue. But the starters look even more suspect and they are seasoned vets. I think his speed woul dbe crucial on the edge. Not just to get to QBs. But also to stop running backs running to the outside.

I think our LBs played pretty well besides him.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;590363]and to add this to the arguement with the cowgirl up there. Haynesworth was instrumental in that goal line stop and also in forcing the Giants to kick a field goal. So if anyone played solid on the line he did. As far as the DE's that's a different story.

We definitely need to put Orakpo on the front line. People are saying stopping the run is his issue. But the starters look even more suspect and they are seasoned vets. I think his speed woul dbe crucial on the edge. Not just to get to QBs. But also to stop running backs running to the outside.

I think our LBs played pretty well besides him.[/quote]

It was first game and he's a rookie.. We should expect to see something like this, especially when he played as DE in Texas.. I'm pretty sure coaches know what to do, they said that they are impressed with him.. He's just learning; if they think that they should let Orakpo move back to DE, then they would do it..

However, I'm advocating for coaches to let him move back to DE next year when we have a chance to draft 1st or 2nd rounder LB to takeover the position..

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[quote=GridIron26;590372]It was first game and he's a rookie.. We should expect to see something like this, especially when he played as DE in Texas.. I'm pretty sure coaches know what to do, they said that they are impressed with him.. He's just learning; if they think that they should let Orakpo move back to DE, then they would do it..

However, I'm advocating for coaches to let him move back to DE next year when we have a chance to draft 1st or 2nd rounder LB to takeover the position..[/quote]

Sounds good. But I am questioning Blatche and Zorn on play calls and personel usage. I read something on the Redskins blog about Blatche saying the corners will play closer this game. Ummm did it take him all this time to realize this????

On another note. Is it Blatche or Blache? Is he related to Andray Blatche of the Wizards?..lol. Just kidding.

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Our defense is horrible!!!!!!!!!!

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yes, they are

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While the D looked sloppy at times today (got to stop those 3rd down conv), you cannot expect them to carry this team game after game. The Skins' time of poss is horrendous, eventually it is going to take a toll on the D.