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So I went back to the first NYG game and last years Rams game, painful, and compared the drives from both years:

This year 10 out of 15 drives >30 yds , 5 drives > 70 yds
Results:
P(unt), I(nt), TD,P,TD,FG,FG,Fu(mble),FG,D(owns)
2 punts, 2 TO's, 5 scores(3 FG, 2 TDs), 1 downs (in scoring position)


Last year 9 out of 18 drives>30 yds , 1 drive > 70 yds
Results: P, Downs, End of Game, Fu,Fu,P,Fu, FG,TD
2 punts, 3 TO's, 2 scores(1 FG, 1 TD), 1 end of game, 1 downs(outside of scoring position),

all drives less then 30 yds ended with punts.

I do see this as improvement and I think it will continue

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Some percentages:
this year:66% > 30yds
last year:50%

this year:50% of the > 30yds ended in scores
last year:11% of the >30 yds ended in scores.

patience is a virtue.

Dynasties are not built in a day.

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So what I took from it.....3 fewer drives and only one more positive result then last yr. But we are getting better. Last yr we had 2 scores and this yr 5. but field goals count as scores.

I'm sure this was supposed to be a positive thread, to point out the positives, to help relax people but for the last 9 yrs the team has had trouble scoring more then 20 points. They have had trouble in the red zone all 9 yrs also. I'm just having a little trouble. Sorry believing.

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[quote=tryfuhl;593812][B]It's cool the other half stay behind when there's a Katrina saying there's no way it will be bad[/B]

I don't see why people can come on here every week and act like things are just fine and will turn around every week when that clearly isn't happening.. and hasn't since many of us can remember.. we hear "it's only one game" or "well if this hadn't have happened" .. etc ... single games can matter, things DO happen

we plain don't look good and anyone who can be confident about this team lives in a land of gummy bears (minus whatever colors that they don't like), the brady bunch, and random naked supermodels[/quote]

You are forgetting a third option: I stayed behind even though I knew Katrina, which went right through my town, would be bad. Post-Katrina, when for weeks I had no power, telephone, and water, I found ways to enjoy the experience.

So it is with the Skins. They may bring disaster but I'm not going anywhere else with my rooting. And there is always something positive to take away.

In terms of positives, we are moving the ball between the 20's much better this year. We need to get over the red zone hump, for sure. But we've got 14 more games to get better. The defense seems to be getting better and may be a joy to watch by Thanksgiving.

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[quote=tryfuhl;593812]It's cool the other half stay behind when there's a Katrina saying there's no way it will be bad

I don't see why people can come on here every week and act like things are just fine and will turn around every week when that clearly isn't happening.. and hasn't since many of us can remember.. we hear "it's only one game" or "well if this hadn't have happened" .. etc ... single games can matter, things DO happen

we plain don't look good and anyone who can be confident about this team lives in a land of gummy bears (minus whatever colors that they don't like), the brady bunch, and random naked supermodels[/quote]

Well maybe the difference is I see improvement tryfuhl. To me, people who expect us to "all of a sudden" be top flight are the ones acting crazy. We ended [B]bad[/B] last year and we're only 2 games into this season. I think anyone who expected us to come stomping ass out of the gate are the ones living in lala land. What I see is an offense using more weapons then we did last year. I see JC throwing the ball a lot more and the offense opening up. I see a defense, that given a little more time playing together, being one of the best we've had in years. When was the last time we had someone like AH and Orakpo on our team? Hell, throw Jarmon in there while your at it. We wanted more passing, we got it. We wanted Kelly involved, we got it. El's in the slot where he belongs for the first time since he's been here and doing a fine job. Cooley has already caught a TD and is playing lights out.

The biggest gripe everyone has is the redzone. I think you're assuming we won't improve there. I think you're wrong. I think we will and how good will we be then? We were fortunate enough to get a schedule that allows us to improve while playing lesser teams having some of the same problems. I'm not looking a gift horse in the mouth. I didn't expect us to be great out of the gate but I want us to become great as the season goes along. I see improvement so unlike some others I'm not ready to throw in the towel after 2 games. If you want to, be my guest. I find these, [B]panic oh my god the seasons over after 2 games[/B] posts as irritating as you find my optimism to be honest with you.

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[quote=SBXVII;593845]So what I took from it.....3 fewer drives and only one more positive result then last yr. But we are getting better. Last yr we had 2 scores and this yr 5. but field goals count as scores.

I'm sure this was supposed to be a positive thread, to point out the positives, to help relax people but for the last 9 yrs the team has had trouble scoring more then 20 points. They have had trouble in the red zone all 9 yrs also. I'm just having a little trouble. Sorry believing.[/quote]

Well my point, of course I see a positive, was to look at the 2 games against the same two opponents, and say what I saw. I knew what I expected to see, but if it had been negative, I would have said that also.

What I did find, was across the board improvement. we had more sustained drives, both numerically and by percentage. Yes we had fewer overall drives, but that's because we didn't sputter on alot. we scored more off our drives. Yes they need to make more TD's and less FGs, but again, the opportunities existed this year where they did not last year.

last year we had 1 drive of 70+ yds, this year we had 5 drives of 70+ drives.

All of that is improvement.

Against the same two teams, you name a category and we improved on it this year. We went 1-1, last year 0-2.

So be negative my friend, but atleast when Zorn says there has been improvement from last year, know that he isn't bald face lying. Just wearing (slightly) tinted glasses

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;593855]Well my point, of course I see a positive, was to look at the 2 games against the same two opponents, and say what I saw. I knew what I expected to see, but if it had been negative, I would have said that also.

What I did find, was across the board improvement. we had more sustained drives, both numerically and by percentage. Yes we had fewer overall drives, but that's because we didn't sputter on alot. we scored more off our drives. Yes they need to make more TD's and less FGs, but again, the opportunities existed this year where they did not last year.

last year we had 1 drive of 70+ yds, this year we had 5 drives of 70+ drives.

All of that is improvement.

Against the same two teams, you name a category and we improved on it this year. We went 1-1, last year 0-2.

So be negative my friend,[B] but atleast when Zorn says there has been improvement from last year, know that he isn't bald face lying. Just wearing (slightly) tinted glasses[/quote][/B]

:cool-smil

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This would all be cool but yards dont win games. We can move up and down the field all day long, doesnt matter if you cant score in the RZ. 0-4 wont get it done. Zorn better get it in gear over these next 3 games.

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It's funny, if we come away with 2 TDs instead of FGs and won 17-7 does this thread even exist?

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[quote=Mattyk72;594068]It's funny, if we come away with 2 TDs instead of FGs and won 17-7 does this thread even exist?[/quote]

I think its the fact thate we were turned away 4 times by the RAMS. had it been the Steelers with the same score nothing would be said.

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;594070]I think its the fact thate we were turned away 4 times by the RAMS. had it been the Steelers with the same score nothing would be said.[/quote]

Yeah I get that. Minus the RZ issues there really wasn't much to complain about, but of course scoring TDs is the name of the game and it's a big area that needs to be fixed.

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[quote=Mattyk72;594072]Yeah I get that. Minus the RZ issues there really wasn't much to complain about, but of course scoring TDs is the name of the game and it's a big area that needs to be fixed.[/quote]

Not to mention the fact that any realistic person would have us at 1-1 right now.

Which makes me think...I don't think there are any bad teams in the NFL. In the last two weeks, teams that have played terrible one week, have done better the next. I mean even the Rams who laid an egg against Seattle, played us tough and could have won.

Some of us want to be arrogant and say for a fact that our team is going to beat X team. Right now I would say that there are few teams that can say that. Even Detroit was up 10-0 against Minny last week and played a good half.

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[quote=Mattyk72;594068]It's funny, if we come away with 2 TDs instead of FGs and won 17-7 does this thread even exist?[/quote]

Hell yeah! The Seahawks gave up zero points to the Rams, and now we give up 7 to them? Our D blows!!

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No better team than the Lions to finally get this offense going

[url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204488304574429293233493218.html]The NFL’s Worst Defense, Ever - WSJ.com[/url]

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it is only week 2 and I try to look for positives, but one thing keeps poppin into my mind and its hard to ignore. WE ARE TIED WITH THE FRIGGAN BROWNS FOR 31ST IN THE LEAGUE IN SCORING. Dallas Scored on the Gmen and we struggled vs the Rams. its not like we faced the Steelers and the Ravens these first 2 games.

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[quote=SmootSmack;594203]No better team than the Lions to finally get this offense going

[URL="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204488304574429293233493218.html"]The NFL’s Worst Defense, Ever - WSJ.com[/URL][/quote]

I have the feeling they are saying similar things about us:

[url=http://www.freep.com/article/20090922/COL22/909220361/1048/SPORTS05/Vs.--Skins--the-Lions-have-a-chance]Michael Rosenberg: Vs. 'Skins, the Lions have a chance | Detroit Free Press | Freep.com[/url]

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Tis a scary outcome, that's for sure. But if it means we drop Zorn and replace Campbell and finally commit to getting a Qb in here that can develop into a winner, or be one off the bat, then it just might be a good thing.

If thats what it takes, then that is what it takes. Skins fans, lets get ready to look to the future with a new HC and QB.

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[quote=Mechanix544;594342]Tis a scary outcome, that's for sure. But if it means we drop Zorn and replace Campbell and finally commit to getting a Qb in here that can develop into a winner, or be one off the bat, then it just might be a good thing.

If thats what it takes, then that is what it takes. Skins fans, lets get ready to look to the future with a new HC and QB.[/quote]It almost sounds like you want Zorn and Campbell to fail. Understand this, if we blow up the ship and bring in a new HC and QB, we may pine for the good old days of 8-8 or 9-7. I can easily see this becoming a perrenial 5-11 team if we start over. Campbell played solid ball against the Rams, making many plays with both his arm and his legs.

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Just want to point out this thread where everyone called for my head. I still feel like shit, it will be a long season. =(

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[quote=SouperMeister;594373]It almost sounds like you want Zorn and Campbell to fail. Understand this, if we blow up the ship and bring in a new HC and QB, we may pine for the good old days of 8-8 or 9-7. I can easily see this becoming a perrenial 5-11 team if we start over. Campbell played solid ball against the Rams, making many plays with both his arm and his legs.[/quote]

I think sticking w/ Zorn guarantees 5-11 at best...possibly 2-14 because just about every team in the league can put up 16+ points and Zorn absolutely cannot figure out how to score more than two touchdowns in a game. He's done...yet again we have another guy within the franchize who would not have a job in the NFL outside Redskins park (the other is Vinny, obviously).

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[quote=SouperMeister;594373]It almost sounds like you want Zorn and Campbell to fail. Understand this, if we blow up the ship and bring in a new HC and QB, we may pine for the good old days of 8-8 or 9-7. I can easily see this becoming a perrenial 5-11 team if we start over. Campbell played solid ball against the Rams, making many plays with both his arm and his legs.[/quote]

Tell that to Mike Singlteary and San Francisco. Zorn and Vinny both are responsible for this underachieving. Zorn by not having his team mentally ready for this game and Vinny for not addressing the offensive line.

Zorn isn't a bad coach, just to much to fast IMHO.

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Until we address our O Line we are going to struggle. We cannot keep ignoring the line. I wish Cerrato would wake up!