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Start packing Zorn.

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The local news is about to start and they're already talking about will Zorn still have a job tomorrow.

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TTE, you're cracking me up. And what are you guys protesting with the NFL avatars? LOL This place is too much.

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[quote=12thMan;597857]The local news is about to start and they're already talking about will Zorn still have a job tomorrow.[/quote]

There's an article on ESPN that said he is fine for now.

Lets hope fans don't settle for the firing of Zorn. If Cerrato isn't done away with then none of the pending changes will matter.

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[quote=12thMan;597862]TTE, you're cracking me up. And what are you guys protesting with the NFL avatars? LOL This place is too much.[/quote]

It's a mutiny. Are you with us or will we have to make you walk the plank?

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;597869]It's a mutiny. Are you with us or will we have to make you walk the plank?[/quote]


I'm scrolling through the menu of choices as we speak!

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[quote=12thMan;597873]I'm scrolling through the menu of choices as we speak![/quote]

I'd be tempted to choose the Ravens one. Hop on the bandwagon of proven winners. I don't wanna lose my burgundy pineapple jesus though. another proven winner. :rofl:

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[quote=DynamiteRave;597927]I'd be tempted to choose the Ravens one. Hop on the bandwagon of proven winners. I don't wanna lose my burgundy pineapple jesus though. another proven winner. :rofl:[/quote]

The pineapple jesus is baller. Definitely keep it.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;597927]I'd be tempted to choose the Ravens one. Hop on the bandwagon of proven winners. I don't wanna lose my burgundy pineapple jesus though. another proven winner. :rofl:[/quote]

I'd rather make changes to the front office myself than become a fan of any other team.

Being a fan of another team never comes to my mind in situations like these.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;597927]I'd be tempted to choose the Ravens one. Hop on the bandwagon of proven winners. I don't wanna lose my burgundy pineapple jesus though. another proven winner. :rofl:[/quote]

The mutiny needs you, just pick that NFL logo!! :smashfrea

(I might be drunk with power, LOL)

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[quote=Skinny Tee;597936][B]I'd rather make changes to the front office myself[/B] than become a fan of any other team.

Being a fan of another team never comes to my mind in situations like these.[/quote]

How can we make this a reality? I'm sure you could do almost as good as Snyder (or possibly better)

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You're either with us or without us. Don't be daft, draft. Fear not the ending of the light. Fear not running to the right! We're marching on Ashburn! We'll tape Zorn, Vinny, and Danny to the goal post and then. . . . maybe . . . . ice cream with caramel or fudge.

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[quote=12thMan;597862]TTE, you're cracking me up. And what are you guys protesting with the NFL avatars? LOL This place is too much.[/quote]

Fack, you guys are kidding me. I thought I finally had a cool avatar where I could easily find my post. Now everyone else is suddenly using the NFL avatars. This sucks.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;597992]Fack, you guys are kidding me. I thought I finally had a cool avatar where I could easily find my post. Now everyone else is suddenly using the NFL avatars. This sucks.[/quote]

The NFL logos show you love competitive football in its finest form and are protesting that the Skins are electing not to field a competitive football team.

Do the red NFL logo because it shows you still have love for the franchise but don't condone the owner's wish to continually field a non-competitive team.

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[quote=trample the elderly;597943]you're either with us or without us. Don't be daft, draft. Fear not the ending of the light. Fear not running to the right! We're marching on ashburn! We'll tape zorn, vinny, and danny to the goal post and then. . . . Maybe . . . . Ice cream with caramel or fudge.[/quote]

lmao

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What's funny to me it's that in week 1 I wrote in my column that the end of Zorn Era was starting and he was going to be let go and everyone here came at me like I was insane and just another cowboys bias fan... and 3 weeks later everyone it's on the same boat.

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But hey he is not the only that to go!! Blache needs to go first!

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Please join the mutiny and take that grifter SOB's avatar off. This is his fault and his alone.

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Zorn is a F'ing idiot, even today after losing to the worst team in the league, he still wants to sugar-coat this crap. You suck, your philosophy sucks, you dont motivate your players, and WE will be the ones to pay for it.

Gibbs always had the guys ready to fight to the very end. I sure miss that style of football, how did we get to this crap?

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Then Zorn comes in with ONLY a 5 min conference today? wtf...

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Well, might have been a lil longer but he didnt say anything new at all.. same shit just diff day.

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Zorn Press conf.....wow
It is not good.

We are getting better.
We have tremendous talent.
We still need to make some fine tune adjustments.

He must not recognize the avalanche that is headed his way, and THAT is a lame attempt to stop it

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I opened this thread cause I thought it would say something like; Zorn spoke w/D. Snyder this morning & confirmed in his press conference today that he is indeed on the hot seat.

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My question is...what do you do if you are Snyder?

1) Fire Zorn now, well before the bye week and promote from within (finding his successor in the offseason)

2) Stick with Zorn til about the bye week and see if the situation improves...in essence pushing off the decision

3) Come out and make a statement that Zorn is still the head coach and will be until the end of the season...

Options 1 and 3 are swift definitive moves, but I think Snyder will go for option 2

Snyder is in that situation where no matter what he decides (given his history of mismanagement), there will be many skins fans calling for his blood. If he goes with 1) it will be construed as Snyder being Snyder and unless Shanahan or someone is willing to captain this sinking ship, i don't think the move will be vindicated. Option 3) would be gutsy but I still think that many will find a way to criticize Snyder for not seeing the situation for what it is. He is in a real tough spot to say the least...Thoughts?

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If the Skins lose this week at home against TB, which is a possibility, I think JZ might get axed.

It it only week 4 so the team could turn it around. It's possible. Not probable though.

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[quote=Rajmahal33;598409]My question is...what do you do if you are Snyder?

1) Fire Zorn now, well before the bye week and promote from within (finding his successor in the offseason)

2) Stick with Zorn til about the bye week and see if the situation improves...in essence pushing off the decision

3) Come out and make a statement that Zorn is still the head coach and will be until the end of the season...

Options 1 and 3 are swift definitive moves, but I think Snyder will go for option 2

Snyder is in that situation where no matter what he decides (given his history of mismanagement), there will be many skins fans calling for his blood. If he goes with 1) it will be construed as Snyder being Snyder and unless Shanahan or someone is willing to captain this sinking ship, i don't think the move will be vindicated. Option 3) would be gutsy but I still think that many will find a way to criticize Snyder for not seeing the situation for what it is. He is in a real tough spot to say the least...Thoughts?[/quote]

Thoughts

1. Don't know how much benefit there is to this, unless the interim coach is someone we know will be connected to the ultimate hire and can do some "advanced scouting" on his behalf.

2. The most viable scenario

3. That would be the dreaded "vote of confidence"

It's got to be number 2 I think. Here's a question for you. How much is a Cowher, Shanahan, Gruden, or Holmgren worth? I just ask because I wonder if at this point people will be ok if we throw $10+ million at any of them to "right the ship"

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[quote=SmootSmack;598460]Thoughts

1. Don't know how much benefit there is to this, unless the interim coach is someone we know will be connected to the ultimate hire and can do some "advanced scouting" on his behalf.

2. The most viable scenario

3. That would be the dreaded "vote of confidence"

It's got to be number 2 I think. Here's a question for you. [B]How much is a Cowher, Shanahan, Gruden, or Holmgren worth? I just ask because I wonder if at this point people will be ok if we throw $10+ million at any of them to "right the ship[/B]"[/quote]

If I was any one of those coaches I'd be paying attention to the Skins situation because every setback we suffer this season just ups the price Danny would pay for an elite coach.

At this point it's 10M a year to come in here and clean up. And if I was them I'd take every penny becuase it's going to be a huge undertaking.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;598091]The NFL logos show you love competitive football in its finest form and are protesting that the Skins are electing not to field a competitive football team.

Do the red NFL logo because it shows you still have love for the franchise but don't condone the owner's wish to continually field a non-competitive team.[/quote]

Well heres the deal. I to originally had that as a sign of passive protest after the win over the rams but after a day of having it I really took to liking that avatar. It made my post easy to find and in a weird way it looked professional. Now all of a sudden I see about 5 or 6 people with the same avatar. I don't know if I should be flattered or sad.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;598484]If I was any one of those coaches I'd be paying attention to the Skins situation because every setback we suffer this season just ups the price Danny would pay for an elite coach.

At this point it's 10M a year to come in here and clean up. And if I was them I'd take every penny becuase it's going to be a huge undertaking.[/quote]

Sure, but if we did would you as a fan say "Great we just wasted $10 million on a new GM and head coach" or "Great we just invested $10 million on a new GM and head coach"

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[quote=Dirtbag359;598551]Well heres the deal. I to originally had that as a sign of passive protest after the win over the rams but after a day of having it I really took to liking that avatar. It made my post easy to find and in a weird way it looked professional. Now all of a sudden I see about 5 or 6 people with the same avatar. I don't know if I should be flattered or sad.[/quote]

I've got the "show avatar" option unchecked so I couldn't even tell you what avatar my posts are showing right now unless I went to my profile

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[quote=SmootSmack;598574]Sure, but if we did would you as a fan say "Great we just wasted $10 million on a new GM and head coach" or "Great we just invested $10 million on a new GM and head coach"[/quote]

I like your plan from earlier.

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[quote=Rajmahal33;598409]My question is...what do you do if you are Snyder?

1) Fire Zorn now, well before the bye week and promote from within (finding his successor in the offseason)

2) Stick with Zorn til about the bye week and see if the situation improves...in essence pushing off the decision

3) Come out and make a statement that Zorn is still the head coach and will be until the end of the season...

Options 1 and 3 are swift definitive moves, but I think Snyder will go for option 2

Snyder is in that situation where no matter what he decides (given his history of mismanagement), there will be many skins fans calling for his blood. If he goes with 1) it will be construed as Snyder being Snyder and unless Shanahan or someone is willing to captain this sinking ship, i don't think the move will be vindicated. Option 3) would be gutsy but I still think that many will find a way to criticize Snyder for not seeing the situation for what it is. He is in a real tough spot to say the least...Thoughts?[/quote]Or #4, make every effort to lock up Holmgren as GM now, then let him make the football decisions. If he thinks it's best for him to get back on the sideline then so be it. My guess would be Holmgren would keep Zorn in place as HC for the rest of the season and then evaluate the best course of action. Fire Blache now and promote from within, Gray or Olivadotti then make a final DC decision after the season. Cerrato can stick around with some BS title, but ultimately control would be Holmgren's.

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[quote=SmootSmack;598574]Sure, but if we did would you as a fan say "Great we just wasted $10 million on a new GM and head coach" or "Great we just invested $10 million on a new GM and head coach"[/quote]

Unfortunately a coach or person who is getting paid that much is being influenced heavily by money.

We don't need another coach who is influenced by a lot of money or the luster of a head coaching job.

The next coach needs to be impervious to cash influence and value his own pride. Basically we need a coach who wants to come here to improve the team for his own pride not to pad his resume or pocketbook.

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[quote=SmootSmack;598460]Thoughts

1. Don't know how much benefit there is to this, unless the interim coach is someone we know will be connected to the ultimate hire and can do some "advanced scouting" on his behalf.

2. The most viable scenario

3. That would be the dreaded "vote of confidence"

It's got to be number 2 I think. Here's a question for you. How much is a Cowher, Shanahan, Gruden, or Holmgren worth? I just ask because I wonder if at this point people will be ok if we throw $10+ million at any of them to "right the ship"[/quote]

I also think that #2 is ultimately the decision he will make...

In my opinion, one of those guys is worth $10 mill easily, considering the experience and value they would add. I won't, however, commit to when they should be paid that check b/c I honestly don't know what to think about Zorn. I'm trying really hard to take the loss with a grain of salt and not get into the typical sky is falling mentality. It's hard for me to do this when, the team itself seems to be imploding (when they start pointing fingers internally, or calling out a fan base publicly).

As far as the dollar value, I think 10 mill is a drop in the bucket that is the skins organization. If we finish say 6-10 or 7-9 and miss the playoffs (without one of them), I would wager that one of these guys would represent at least 3 wins above that next year. That turnaround plus the hype associated with adding one of those names to the organization could itself generate enough of a revenue to pay for a large chunk of that salary.

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[quote=SmootSmack;598576]I've got the "show avatar" option unchecked so I couldn't even tell you what avatar my posts are showing right now unless I went to my profile[/quote]

You have a picture of Lady Gaga in traditional Native American garments shedding a tear for the environment.

Speaking of avatars, would Sumo consider making a few Capital avatars? I say a few because then it would be the same deal with the NFL shield avatar right now, to many people using it.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;598718]You have a picture of Lady Gaga in traditional Native American garments shedding a tear for the environment.

Speaking of avatars though would Sumo consider making a few Capital avatars? I say a few because then it would be the same deal with the NFL shield avatar right now[B], to many people using it[/B].[/quote]

It at least shows that we're all hanging together on the issue.

What's up with the Ravens???...there's some things one just doesn't do.

...For shame!

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[quote=Skinny Tee;598720]It at least shows that we're all hanging together on the issue.

What's up with the Ravens???...there's some things one just doesn't do.

[B]...For shame![/B][/quote]

Lol, you stole my avatar. Besides I personally just don't see the Ravens as a true Redskin rival. I respect how they are run as an organization and I root for them to do well. They basically serve as my favorite AFC team. Plus the signature should serve as a hint as to part of the reason why I chose to use a Ravens avatar.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;598718]You have a picture of Lady Gaga in traditional Native American garments shedding a tear for the environment.

Speaking of avatars, would Sumo consider making a few Capital avatars? I say a few because then it would be the same deal with the NFL shield avatar right now, to many people using it.[/quote]

Oh...I thought it was [url=http://twitpic.com/jhyvg]this[/url]

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[quote=Dirtbag359;598724]Lol, you stole my avatar. Besides I personally just don't see the Ravens as a true Redskin rival. I respect how they are run as an organization and I root for them to do well. They basically serve as my favorite AFC team. Plus the signature should serve as a hint as to part of the reason why I chose to use a Ravens avatar.[/quote]

I'm possibly being a little dense here, my apologies. Does this mean that you are Eric DeCosta?

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[quote=Skinny Tee;598734]I'm possibly being a little dense here, my apologies. Does this mean that you are Eric DeCosta?[/quote]

Ha! He wishes. Eric DeCosta is an up and coming exec in the Ravens front office, a potential future General Manager