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Part of the reason Stafford looked poised is because he never had to go past his first read all day.

The exception to the rule was the 3rd and 14 play following the accepted holding penalty when he ran for 22 yards.

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[quote=Ruhskins;598995]See this is the reason why Jason Campbell needs to go to another team, you got the f'ing owner wanting to ship him out town and stupid fans that are making up reasons to hate him and lay the blame solely on him.

As I said, I wish Campbell was a terrible QB so these morons had something to complain about.[/quote]


Dude I am having fun here. Cut the crap. I don't hate on JC at all. Read the original post. I say that JC isn't the main reason, but he does have to bear some brunt of the blame. A coach can only do so much til it rests in the hands of the players to execute. This is just another crazy stream of funny rants by me [FONT=Arial Black][SIZE=6]Gus Frerotte.[/SIZE][/FONT]

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[quote=GusFrerotte;599002]Dude I am having fun here. Cut the crap. I don't hate on JC at all. Read the original post. I say that JC isn't the main reason, but he does have to bear some brunt of the blame. A coach can only do so much til it rests in the hands of the players to execute. This is just another crazy stream of funny rants by me [FONT=Arial Black][SIZE=6]Gus Frerotte.[/SIZE][/FONT][/quote]

Well then I pass my aggressive thread someone else.

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How many more years are we on the hook with Portis, just blow up the whole offense.

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[quote=Ruhskins;599003]Well then I pass my aggressive thread someone else.[/quote]


Thanks Rushkins. I think JC is the man, but dude, although his yardage was crazy, he didn't look good the first half at all. That little conversation with myy bud was real. I was bewildered at first because of the stats, but he did lose those snaps, and he was rather indecisive about whether to run or pass. He just needs to take off if everyone is covered and not wait. We need to get Mitchell in the mix and see what he can do. Kelly and co aren't all that. In short, Zorn's scheme doesn't fit JC, and his receivers to be honest.

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[quote=Zerohero;599018]How many more years are we on the hook with Portis, just blow up the whole offense.[/quote]

I kinda think that's the other elephant in the room. Don't get me wrong, I hope CP goes back to his old form, but given how much we've beaten him up he seems to have lost a step. The question is...when it comes time for the team to shop him around or even get his replacement, will he go quietly? I doubt it.

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[quote=Ruhskins;599041]I kinda think that's the other elephant in the room. Don't get me wrong, I hope CP goes back to his old form, but given how much we've beaten him up he seems to have lost a step. The question is...when it comes time for the team to shop him around or even get his replacement, will he go quietly? I doubt it.[/quote]

If there's no cap next year who cares, we can cut him and move on. With his contract I don't think there's going to be much shopping around going on.

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[quote=Mattyk72;599043]If there's no cap next year who cares, we can cut him and move on. With his contract I don't think there's going to be much shopping around going on.[/quote]We won't cut anyone who has their 2010 salary guaranteed though. Cap or no cap.

That, I think, is just Portis, Haynesworth, Moss, and Samuels. I don't remember precisely, but I think Vinny was careful with the Hall contract not to guarantee salary in addition to his signing bonus (which, admittedly, was obscene).

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[quote=GusFrerotte;599019]Thanks Rushkins. I think JC is the man, but dude, although his yardage was crazy, he didn't look good the first half at all. That little conversation with myy bud was real. I was bewildered at first because of the stats, but he did lose those snaps, and he was rather indecisive about whether to run or pass. He just needs to take off if everyone is covered and not wait. We need to get Mitchell in the mix and see what he can do. Kelly and co aren't all that. In short, Zorn's scheme doesn't fit JC, and his receivers to be honest.[/quote]

The first half we had 4 total possessions 2 of the 4 possessions Moss & Cooley couldn't get one yard to keep the drive going that's not on JC people. He drove us down field the first drive of the game Zorn killed the momentum of the game with 4th down call & declined penalty.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;598745]Good stats, except for how many TDs he's thrown. Where's that stat? You could have a 130 QB rating and 4000+ yards, but at the end of the day when you're not putting the ball in the endzone... Yeah... Almost makes everything else moot.

While that may not be totally JC's fault, everyone's gonna end up pointing their finger at him at the end of the day.[/quote]

Not everyone just the fans that don't like him. He goes to another team and win a SB. We still mediocore Redskins cause our fans only know how to blame the coach or QB.

[quote=Zerohero;598749]No offense but anyone right now who thinks Campbell is the real deal is insane. He cant even take the snap cleanly half the plays. Anyone can manipulate stats to make someone look good. So in this case your stats do lie.[/quote]

Damn Tony Romo has dropped snaps and even fumble it in the end zone. Shit happens some time its football. Thats so shallow thinking. I guess you want JarMarcus Russell, Brady Quinn,Kyle Boller,Jake Delhomme. Lame Redskins fans looking to always blame the QB.

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[quote=skinsfan69;598766]Wrong! Stats do lie. He's not getting the team in the end zone. Not all his fault but some of it is. I'd say the stats look better than he's actually played. There have been some garbage numbers. I think he's been kind of average on a bad offense.[/quote]

It would be JC fault if he called his on plays. Guess what he doesn't, Zorn does as far as points the WR have to hold on to the ball or even break at tackle from time to time.

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[quote=jamf;598771]When was the last time JC made a throw to win a game? I'm not talking about a dump pass or a quick slant either. When has he hit a streaking receiver in stride to give us the lead? I can't remember...

When was the last time JC overthrew a ball that would've resulted in a TD? Happens almost every week.

When we have one final play from our 35 yard line, We choose to run a gadget play across the middle.
The vikings were in the same situation and favre launched a rocket into his WR's hands. Don't tell me that minnesotas WR's are better than ours...

JC is so concerned about not making a bad play, he seldom makes anything other than a routine throw.
When was the last time JC threw the ball downfield in a jumpball situation? Teams do it all the time.


JC is no more to us than what Trent Dilfer was to the Ravens. He is not a bad quarterback but he is not a guy that is going to win games for you.[/quote]

He doesn't have to win the game thats why we upgrade the defense. He should manage the game and not lose it. He is not a great QB but he is a good QB.

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[quote=djnemo65;598780]There were two third down plays yesterday, one near the redzone as well as the play on which he threw an interception, in which Campbell responded to pressure by ignoring open receivers - Moss and Are respectively - and throwing into coverage. And those were just the two I noticed on TV, there certainly could have been more. QB numbers matter, but as Mike Shanahan famously said you make your money as a QB in the NFL on third down, and that's where Campbell has really been struggling.

I get the argument that Campbell's supporting cast isn't helping him - hell I've made it myself for the past year - but at some point we have to start thinking about whether or not Campbell is the right player for the team we have now (which isn't getting any better anytime soon). They can't protect him and he's bad against pressure. I've seen the statistics about how prolific Campbell is when given time to throw but when is he given time to throw? And when will he be? Our line is old and the cupboard is bare. There's no budding linemen pushing the older guys to start.

So if it becomes clear that he won't be coming back next year, and wow it's going to take a lot for that not to be the case, when do we need to think about making a change?[/quote]

Who is the right player for this team? Oh do we go out and try to trade for Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. Lets figure out who the damn coach is going to be for possible next year. We have a good QB lets work with him and focus on a better O-Line to give us a running game to help our QB.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;598812]I'm just being real bro, pick a team then. You don't see me putting a saints avatar on mine and I used to live there[/quote]

I agree we got all these Haters here who only want to support a team when they win. You have people talking about they're embarrassed to be a Redskins fan shit any team can lose a game. I would never be embarrassed to support my team, we have a choice to root for a team. We have some weak a** fans here.

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[quote=JWsleep;598817]Silly debate right now. He's not Brady, but it seems clear that he's not the root of our problems right now. He can certainly be better, but I would say the trend is positive on JC--he's gotten better, even if he's not lighting up the scoreboard.

THings that are more serious, IMO:

1. Where the fuck is our running game????
2. Why can't our D get off the field--that supposed to be our strength. ToP was brutal yesterday
3. D can't generate TOs
4. Play calling.
5. Brutal game-losing penalities
6. Consistent execution on EVERY play, JC included.

He's our best QB at present. Fix these other issues, and we'll win some games.[/quote]
I agree with you we have to be concerned with the Lack of Running game and poor 3rd down defense.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;598877]They're all good. But their teams don't avergae 13 points a game either. Like I said. JC has to take some of the blame for that. But it's not all on him either.[/QUOTE
The thread was Campbell's numbers don't lie. It wasn't about blaming him it merely pointed out that his stats are decent compared to other good QB's in the NFL.

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[quote=GMScud;598896]People that think Collins would do a better job than Campbell right now are smoking something. For starters, Collins' mobility resembles that of an 80 year old woman, and our O-line leaks like an old faucet. Against a half decent pass rush, Collins may leave the field in an ambulance.[/quote]

They still remember when Collins won a few games that got us to the playoffs and we lost to the Seahawks. If Collins has to play we are up a creek without a paddle. He has no arm strength to throw the ball deep , I guess thats ok since we dont go deep much. I do no this he is fragile as a bull in a china shop. A career backup vs JC please you people must be on a real Hatters trip on JC.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;598917]I'll also go out on a limb here and say this.
Zorn gets fired and Mike shannanhan is our new HC. Campbell doesn't get resigned and goes to minnesota. We get a draft pick in the top ten. We do what ever we can to get sam bradford. Our OL next year will be. Donald Penn (of Tampa bay) at LT, Derrick Dockery LG, Draft pick at C (Mike Pouncey of Florida), Jahri Evans (of New Orleans) RG, Stephon Heyer at RT (or Samuels if we keep him). Our DL will be Orakpo at RE, Griffin, haynesworth, Jarmon at LE. Our LB's will be mcintosh, fletcher, and either a draft pick, or a FA. Our corners will be one of the crappy ones now, and a FA like dunta robinson. And I say that Shannahan asks for a new GM, and Vinny gets positioned down from GM, to like a smaller position.
I'm a very optimistic person, but I just see no way we win games with an offense that can't score in the red zone. Our defense is OK, they could be better if the offense stays on the field longer. I'm not as confident saying this, but I think LaRon could be trade bate for a high draft pick. And I forgot to mention that Greg Blache will either Resign or be fired.[/quote]


Wow you went out on a limb for these statements: Are you in a high profile position or something where your reputation may take a hit if your wrong?:offtopic:

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[quote=Ruhskins;598995]See this is the reason why Jason Campbell needs to go to another team, you got the f'ing owner wanting to ship him out town and stupid fans that are making up reasons to hate him and lay the blame solely on him.

As I said, I wish Campbell was a terrible QB so these morons had something to complain about.[/quote]

See JarMarcus Russell for terrible in Websters. Raiders fans would love to trade us for JC for Russell.

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stop it he stinks,who cares what the numbers say,in big spots he is a dear in headlights enough said,.......

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Love the ol "deer in the headlights" cliche. Like that's not played out. What the hell does that even mean? I guess when you can't rag on completion %, yards per attempt, total yards, QB rating, you know stuff like reality, that one is always good to pull out of the hat. That and heart. Another one of those cliched intangibles.

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[quote=Patfisher37;598836]We have playmakers my friend. We probably have the best Tight End in the league, we have an explosive Wide Receiver who can still run, we have a decent slot receiver who can't return a punt for a yard but can still catch the ball and we have, decent running backs.

What more do you need, the guy just doesn't have what it takes to be a winner. How many years of mediocrity can we take from the QB position, I bet Collins can get in there and at least provide a more consistent performance.

Did you hear Cooley today. They have not consistency on Offense! That on the QB!

He's not bad, but this game is a game of momentum and mental toughness and if you can't give your team the confidence to make some tough throws and stretch the field, then nobody is going to believe in you.

This teams problems are from the shoulder pads up![/quote]

Consistency on O is the job of the person calling the plays Zorn

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[quote=Mattyk72;599140]Love the ol "deer in the headlights" cliche. Like that's not played out. What the hell does that even mean? I guess when you can't rag on completion %, yards per attempt, total yards, QB rating, you know stuff like reality, that one is always good to pull out of the hat. That and heart. Another one of those cliched intangibles.[/quote]

Your right. QBs always have heart when the team wins and none when the team loses.

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Let me ask you guys something: If your boss was trying to replace you. I think you would try to perform tasks exactly the way he wanted you to, so if the plan doesn't work he can't blame you. JC is going through that right now.

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Stats are usually good indicators, but can be deceiving...

1) JC gets a high completion percentage b/c he throws short and/or safe passes. Usually this is a good thing, especially when nursing a lead, but as we all know, the redskins have not had this luxury for quite some time. A QB should take risk so in order to balance out the completions % stat, u must look at number of pass plays over 20 yards (a category which, JC has been very sub-par over his career). Also completing passes that are short of a first down on 3rd and long are about as good as incompletions and should be accounted for in such instances. The OP mentioned Chad Pennington (who has the highest completion % among active QB's), but who here really considers him to be an elite QB. His completion % is very much deceptive in the same way JC's is.

2) Lack of TD's by a QB is one of the 3 most important statistical categories. How can someone doing a statistical analysis of his play neglect this or offer to reconcile his deficiency in this category? It is an absolutely telling stat about the offensive production of the team of which JC [I]should[/I] be the field general. It ultimately falls on his shoulders, more than any player, and if he can't at least average 2 TD's a game, you cannot make the assertion that he is anywhere near the top 10 statistically. Just think 2 TD's in a game for JC was actually a GOOD day for him, compared to what is expected of the other elites of the NFL (which would be an average-to-poor showing).

3) JC gets a decent amount of passing yards because of two reasons: (1) We have receivers who r great at getting YAC (which is partly to his credit for putting the ball where it needs to be but largely are a product of the receivers' (ARE, Moss, and Cooley) skill set); (2) Often times he is forced to get big yardage in the second half and at the ends of games b/c it is a close game or we are down and we need to throw to catch up. He tends to rack up yards against prevent defenses (which again is to his credit) but had he is largely responsible for putting the team in that come-from-behind mode in the first place. Think about a typical game for Manning, Brees, or Brady. They are racking up yards and completions throughout the game. I don't know if u guys have been watching the same skins that I have for the past 3 years but it seems like we have 1 or 2 drives in the first half and then go away for an extended period of time only to have to rally back late in the game. Good QB's don't put themselves in this position most of the times.

4) To go one step further great QB's have confidence in their play (and instill confidence in the coaching staff) to the point where they are being aggressive even with a small lead. Nobody has the type of confidence in JC to allow him to try to rack up yards late in a close game to put the game out of reach... why? Isn't this the same QB who has a great completion % and low INT rate? The stats say you should want him to throw it, but seldom do you see this.

Yes, we have had a great running game in the past, but you can't start nursing a lead halfway thru the 3rd quarter. Yes, we've had O-line injuries in the past, but which team hasn't? At this level you must be able to adapt. The bottom line is that JC doesn't have that killer instinct (or his coaches don't have faith that he does), but either way some of the blame for that falls on him. More importantly, this lack of execution/faith is reflected in his play even though it may be lost in his padded stats. [B]Ultimately it comes down to W's and L's and as we all know JC has been an average QB by this most important metric...[/B]

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[quote=Rajmahal33;599149]Stats are usually good indicators, but can be deceiving...

1) JC gets a high completion percentage b/c he throws short and/or safe passes. Usually this is a good thing, especially when nursing a lead, but as we all know, the redskins have not had this luxury for quite some time. A QB should take risk so in order to balance out the completions % stat, u must look at number of pass plays over 20 yards (a category which, JC has been very sub-par over his career). Also completing passes that are short of a first down on 3rd and long are about as good as incompletions and should be accounted for in such instances. The OP mentioned Chad Pennington (who has the highest completion % among active QB's), but who here really considers him to be an elite QB. His completion % is very much deceptive in the same way JC's is.

2) Lack of TD's by a QB is one of the 3 most important statistical categories. How can someone doing a statistical analysis of his play neglect this or offer to reconcile his deficiency in this category? It is an absolutely telling stat about the offensive production of the team of which JC [I]should[/I] be the field general. It ultimately falls on his shoulders, more than any player, and if he can't at least average 2 TD's a game, you cannot make the assertion that he is anywhere near the top 10 statistically. Just think 2 TD's in a game for JC was actually a GOOD day for him, compared to what is expected of the other elites of the NFL (which would be an average-to-poor showing).

3) JC gets a decent amount of passing yards because of two reasons: (1) We have receivers who r great at getting YAC (which is partly to his credit for putting the ball where it needs to be but largely are a product of the receivers' (ARE, Moss, and Cooley) skill set); (2) Often times he is forced to get big yardage in the second half and at the ends of games b/c it is a close game or we are down and we need to throw to catch up. He tends to rack up yards against prevent defenses (which again is to his credit) but had he is largely responsible for putting the team in that come-from-behind mode in the first place. Think about a typical game for Manning, Brees, or Brady. They are racking up yards and completions throughout the game. I don't know if u guys have been watching the same skins that I have for the past 3 years but it seems like we have 1 or 2 drives in the first half and then go away for an extended period of time only to have to rally back late in the game. Good QB's don't put themselves in this position most of the times.

4) To go one step further great QB's have confidence in their play (and instill confidence in the coaching staff) to the point where they are being aggressive even with a small lead. Nobody has the type of confidence in JC to allow him to try to rack up yards late in a close game to put the game out of reach... why? Isn't this the same QB who has a great completion % and low INT rate? The stats say you should want him to throw it, but seldom do you see this.

Yes, we have had a great running game in the past, but you can't start nursing a lead halfway thru the 3rd quarter. Yes, we've had O-line injuries in the past, but which team hasn't? At this level you must be able to adapt. The bottom line is that JC doesn't have that killer instinct (or his coaches don't have faith that he does), but either way some of the blame for that falls on him. More importantly, this lack of execution/faith is reflected in his play even though it may be lost in his padded stats. [B]Ultimately it comes down to W's and L's and as we all know JC has been an average QB by this most important metric...[/B][/quote]

Faith in the QB? Zorn and the FO have been trying to get rid of Campbell since Zorn got here. JC in the no huddle(were he calls the plays) scores more when Zorn calls the plays. Check that STAT

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[quote=Rajmahal33;599149]Stats are usually good indicators, but can be deceiving...

1) JC gets a high completion percentage b/c he throws short and/or safe passes. Usually this is a good thing, especially when nursing a lead, but as we all know, the redskins have not had this luxury for quite some time. A QB should take risk so in order to balance out the completions % stat, u must look at number of pass plays over 20 yards (a category which, JC has been very sub-par over his career). Also completing passes that are short of a first down on 3rd and long are about as good as incompletions and should be accounted for in such instances. The OP mentioned Chad Pennington (who has the highest completion % among active QB's), but who here really considers him to be an elite QB. His completion % is very much deceptive in the same way JC's is.

2) Lack of TD's by a QB is one of the 3 most important statistical categories. How can someone doing a statistical analysis of his play neglect this or offer to reconcile his deficiency in this category? It is an absolutely telling stat about the offensive production of the team of which JC [I]should[/I] be the field general. It ultimately falls on his shoulders, more than any player, and if he can't at least average 2 TD's a game, you cannot make the assertion that he is anywhere near the top 10 statistically. Just think 2 TD's in a game for JC was actually a GOOD day for him, compared to what is expected of the other elites of the NFL (which would be an average-to-poor showing).

3) JC gets a decent amount of passing yards because of two reasons: (1) We have receivers who r great at getting YAC (which is partly to his credit for putting the ball where it needs to be but largely are a product of the receivers' (ARE, Moss, and Cooley) skill set); (2) Often times he is forced to get big yardage in the second half and at the ends of games b/c it is a close game or we are down and we need to throw to catch up. He tends to rack up yards against prevent defenses (which again is to his credit) but had he is largely responsible for putting the team in that come-from-behind mode in the first place. Think about a typical game for Manning, Brees, or Brady. They are racking up yards and completions throughout the game. I don't know if u guys have been watching the same skins that I have for the past 3 years but it seems like we have 1 or 2 drives in the first half and then go away for an extended period of time only to have to rally back late in the game. Good QB's don't put themselves in this position most of the times.

4) To go one step further great QB's have confidence in their play (and instill confidence in the coaching staff) to the point where they are being aggressive even with a small lead. Nobody has the type of confidence in JC to allow him to try to rack up yards late in a close game to put the game out of reach... why? Isn't this the same QB who has a great completion % and low INT rate? The stats say you should want him to throw it, but seldom do you see this.

Yes, we have had a great running game in the past, but you can't start nursing a lead halfway thru the 3rd quarter. Yes, we've had O-line injuries in the past, but which team hasn't? At this level you must be able to adapt. The bottom line is that JC doesn't have that killer instinct (or his coaches don't have faith that he does), but either way some of the blame for that falls on him. More importantly, this lack of execution/faith is reflected in his play even though it may be lost in his padded stats. [B]Ultimately it comes down to W's and L's and as we all know JC has been an average QB by this most important metric...[/B][/quote]

excellent post,I think you summed it up about JC

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[quote=Green1;598742]Every thread someone is calling for campbell to be benched but his numbers are great.
1. Rating: 92.5 Higher than Brady, Big Ben, C. Palmer, Cutler, and Rivers
2. 9th in passing yards: More that Rodgers, Ryan, Palmer, E. Manning, & Cutler
3. 5th in the Comp. Percent. 67.6%: Higher than everyone in the league except P. Manning, Brees, Big Ben, and Chad Penn.

So what else does he have to do to be considered a good QB. The Skins have a good QB, just bad playcalling, no running game, and no O-line. Get off campbell's back. He is doing more with less better than anyone in the NFL. Check the stats the STATS don't lie![/quote]


Needless to say his statistics are impressive. In the end however, he will be judged soley on wins & loses. Mr. Snyder may not be sympathetic towards statistics.

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[quote=Green1;599153]Faith in the QB? Zorn and the FO have been trying to get rid of Campbell since Zorn got here. JC in the no huddle(were he calls the plays) scores more when Zorn calls the plays. Check that STAT[/quote]

...against a prevent defense which hasn't successfully defended a lead in 19 games until, oh yea, THIS WEEK!

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With a yards per attempt of 7.8, I think we need to reconsider this notion that all JC does is throw dump offs. It's just not the case this year. Plus if you've watched the games at all you know what the deal is. If you're paying attention that is.

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I'm so bored with the 'blame Campbell' rants. As much as I hate the 'what if' game, does anyone think we'd be in any different boat with Cutler or Sanchez? Cutler would probably have 4 TD and 10 INT and if we think Zorn's playcalling is lame now, imagine him with a rookie QB!?! Campbell is our QB for the rest of the season, unless he gets injured. If you don't like it, watch bowling on Sundays until next fall.

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[quote=Mattyk72;599140]Love the ol "deer in the headlights" cliche. Like that's not played out. What the hell does that even mean? I guess when you can't rag on completion %, yards per attempt, total yards, QB rating, you know stuff like reality, that one is always good to pull out of the hat. That and heart. Another one of those cliched intangibles.[/quote]

All those are great numbers so now he needs to throw some TD's before the last 5min. of the game and a win would be nice. You do know that a QB can throw for 1000's of yeards but if he does not win it means nothing.

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[quote=firstdown;599221]All those are great numbers so now he needs to throw some TD's before the last 5min. of the game and a win would be nice. You do know that a QB can throw for 1000's of yeards but if he does not win it means nothing.[/quote]

Throwing TD's is also a function of the playcalling and execution in the RZ. He's had at least 2 TD passes dropped so far.

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[quote=firstdown;599221]All those are great numbers so now he needs to throw some TD's before the last 5min. of the game and a win would be nice. You do know that a QB can throw for 1000's of yeards but if he does not win it means nothing.[/quote]

See, I'd be ok with the JC rants if he was putting up JaMarcus Russell or Jake Delhomme numbers. But until that happens, people just need to calm down with the "Campbell is the the only problem" rants.

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Bottomline is- this team sucks right now, including Campbell. It all starts with the coach and the qb.

The numbers don't tell the entire truth- Campbell is very inconsistent and very unreliable at crucial times.

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[quote=Mattyk72;599222]Throwing TD's is also a function of the playcalling and execution in the RZ. He's had at least 2 TD passes dropped so far.[/quote]

Your correct. Earlier in this thread I posted the 6 TDs that were left on the field that weren't JC's fault. People jsut ant to hate. Let them hate. They usually throw out generally unfounded statements and old points on things which JC has improved on. Even if he did get tds at garbage time in the game. Do you realize he is calling all the plays on those drives. Zorn said it himself. Maybe he should call more. But let people tell it JC is too stupid to call his own plays. But he did and when he does we score. No matter what time of the game it is. If he was so horrible he wouldn't be able to do that IMO.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;599230]Your correct. Earlier in this thread I posted the 6 TDs that were left on the field that weren't JC's fault. People jsut ant to hate. Let them hate. They usually throw out generally unfounded statements and old points on things which JC has improved on. Even if he did get tds at garbage time in the game. Do you realize he is calling all the plays on those drives. Zorn said it himself. Maybe he should call more. But let people tell it JC is too stupid to call his own plays. But he did and when he does we score. No matter what time of the game it is. If he was so horrible he wouldn't be able to do that IMO.[/quote]

The problem is Campbell doesn't have confidence in Zorn's playcalling and as a result doesn't execute it well. And also at the same time, Zorn doesn't trust Campbell to make plays, so he calls plays to minimize his perceived risks.

Campbell and Zorn just needs to play and coach without fear.

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[quote=warriorzpath;599232]Campbell and Zorn just needs to play and coach without fear.[/quote]

No kidding. I keep watching that hook and ladder to the 30 yard line to end the game, and I think "WTF?! You have Mitchell, Thomas, and Kelly (all at least 6'2" with speed) and you can't just send them deep into the end zone and let Campbell use his arm to try to make a play? Instead you dump it to ARE (or whoever it was) and have him lateral it to Betts? Seriously, Betts is the guy you're putting the game's hands into??"

Meanwhile, Favre is throwing it on a rope to the back of the endzone in Minnesota.

Let Campbell play

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[quote=warriorzpath;599227]Bottomline is- this team sucks right now, including Campbell. It all starts with the coach and the qb.

The numbers don't tell the entire truth- Campbell is very inconsistent and very unreliable at crucial times.[/quote]

I don't lay the blame at his feet, but the QB always has to be part of the conversation when an Offense is sputtering. He's average to good. He does some things well - avoids INTs, is accurate when he can drop back and throw, can run effectively when the play breaks down. But is deficient in other areas - inaccurate with deep balls, has trouble with touch passes (seems to throw out of bounds a lot on sideline and fade passes), and is woefully inaccurate when he has to throw on the run or even after moving a couple of steps in any direction, has poor pocket presence, is not elusive, does not take reasonable chances (last in pass interference calls last year).

Bottom line, whatever you think of Campbell, name one other NFL team that would sign him to be their guaranteed, bona fide starter next year if he were to leave the Skins. At best, he would be offered a chance to compete for the starting job on another shitty team. Most teams would sign him to be a backup. Just my opinion.

All that said, he's not the reason the Skins suck, but he's not good enough to compensate for other deficiencies on Offense (poor coaching, average pass blocking, inept running game, etc.).