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Listening to ESPN980 right now and two really really interesting points were made:

1) If the skins have success, then Sherman Lewis, not Jim Zorn, will get all the credit.

2) - and this one's much more interesting. They replayed the last portion of Cerratos conference call with the media yesterday about the hire. Cerrato was asked what Sherman Lewis had been doing for the past 5 years. Cerrato's answer was something along the lines of "uhhh, i'm not really sure. I know he hasn't been coaching. uhhh, his son's the defensive coordinator at Michigan. Ok, thats it." Now, there are two possibilities which explain Cerratos response.

Possibility 1) Cerrato and Snyder didn't do a lick of due diligence before bringing in Lewis. They wikipedia'd "West Coast Offense" and his name came up, so they called him.

Possibility 2) Getting Lewis wasn't Cerratos idea (and it certainly wasn't Snyders because he's probably never even herad of the guy before). If it wasn't Cerrato's idea, then [I]someone else[/I] told him to bring Sherman in. To me, this is almost complete confirmation that Holmgren told Cerrato to bring Sherman in, because Holmgren plans on taking over this team, if not midseason, then at the end of the year.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;603847]No, that Cerrato did. Cerrato said Snyder was giving him two years in his current role. After that, he'd be removed from his current position (and in my opinion, move to some other, non-operational aspect of the franchise).[/quote]

Yeah, well I mean I've been saying for a while now that within the next couple of years VC will probably move to a more "executive" position (even more so than now). Although that could always change of course, depending on the coaching situation.

But anyway, I know that Jay Glazer (or maybe it was Peter King?) said that Cerrato told him that he and the new head coach would have two years to turn things around or they'd be gone...but that's also the way Cerrato tends to talk sometimes. I don't believe he ever actually said Snyder said they would be fired.

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[quote=SmootSmack;603853]Yeah, well I mean I've been saying for a while now that within the next couple of years VC will probably move to a more "executive" position (even more so than now). Although that could always change of course, depending on the coaching situation.

But anyway, I know that Jay Glazer (or maybe it was Peter King?) said that Cerrato told him that he and the new head coach would have two years to turn things around or they'd be gone...but that's also the way Cerrato tends to talk sometimes. I don't believe he ever actually said Snyder said they would be fired.[/quote]

Well, ultimately, I don't think Cerrato, himself, is a problem. I think he's a good talent evaluator. The problem is, Snyder's got his hand in things and Cerrato either lacks the balls or the authority to veto Snyder on certain personnel moves.

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I just don't get though why we didn't hire shanahan as an "offensive consultant" all he would have to do is look over zorns shoulder on the sidelines, and he would already have a head start knowing who to keep and getting used to the players. This way its guranteed that we win the shanahan sweepstakes.

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Wow. I love BighairedAristocrat's points.

Interesting views.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;603855]Well, ultimately, I don't think Cerrato, himself, is a problem. I think he's a good talent evaluator. The problem is, Snyder's got his hand in things and Cerrato either lacks the balls or the authority to veto Snyder on certain personnel moves.[/quote]

You know, you make a really interesting point about Cerrato as a talent evaluator. If you look at his 2 drafts where he's had complete control he's made two OBVIOUS mistakes (Durant Brooks, Fred Davis) but he also brought in some players who can contribute for the next 4-5 years in Kelly, Kareem Moore, Chris Horton, Chad Rinehart, Justin Tryon, Brian Orapko, Jeremy Jarmon, Marko Mitchell, Kevin Barnes..

I don't think he's very good at assembling a team or self scouting and making decisions based on need. I also think he over inflates the value of some players and over drafts based on that (Davis, Rinehart, Tryon, possibly Barnes). That doesn't mean they won't be good and productive players, but maybe were picked ahead of other players that may have been more productive.

I think he had a 3 year plan to fix problem areas from the Gibbs era (receivers year one, defensive line year two, offensive line year three). I don't think he thought the OL would deteriorate as rapidly as they did because it was (at the end of '07) the best performing unit out of the three mentioned. If he's in place to handle the '10 draft I'd expect him to draft 3 linemen, a RB and a LB (based on what we do in FA) which would then round out his plan.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;603856]I just don't get though why we didn't hire shanahan as an "offensive consultant" all he would have to do is look over zorns shoulder on the sidelines, and he would already have a head start knowing who to keep and getting used to the players. This way its guranteed that we win the shanahan sweepstakes.[/quote]

Shanahan or Holmgren wouldn't come in at this point with Zorn still in place as the HC, that'd be really difficult because they're an obvious replacement. Zorn would probably quit if one of them were brought in above him because it would completely undermine him in the organization and locker room.

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[quote=Paintrain;603867]You know, you make a really interesting point about Cerrato as a talent evaluator. If you look at his 2 drafts where he's had complete control he's made two OBVIOUS mistakes (Durant Brooks, Fred Davis) [/quote]

I don't think Fred is/was a mistake. He will eventually produce, I'm waiting for him Kelly and Thomas to also get of their butts. I think they will very soon.

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[quote=Paintrain;603867]You know, you make a really interesting point about Cerrato as a talent evaluator. If you look at his 2 drafts where he's had complete control he's made two OBVIOUS mistakes (Durant Brooks, Fred Davis) but he also brought in some players who can contribute for the next 4-5 years in Kelly, Kareem Moore, Chris Horton, Chad Rinehart, Justin Tryon, Brian Orapko, Jeremy Jarmon, Marko Mitchell, Kevin Barnes..

I don't think he's very good at assembling a team or self scouting and making decisions based on need. I also think he over inflates the value of some players and over drafts based on that (Davis, Rinehart, Tryon, possibly Barnes). That doesn't mean they won't be good and productive players, but maybe were picked ahead of other players that may have been more productive.

I think he had a 3 year plan to fix problem areas from the Gibbs era (receivers year one, defensive line year two, offensive line year three). I don't think he thought the OL would deteriorate as rapidly as they did because it was (at the end of '07) the best performing unit out of the three mentioned. If he's in place to handle the '10 draft I'd expect him to draft 3 linemen, a RB and a LB (based on what we do in FA) which would then round out his plan.[/quote]

I don't think Durant Brooks was a bad decision at the time - it just didnt work out. I don't think Fred Davis is a bust, but I agree it was the dumbest move he's made in the draft in the past 2 years. As far as free agency goes, I think thats where Snyder generally gets more involved, so what we see has less to do with Cerrato and more to do with Snyder. The problem is, Cerrato will never have the kind of control he needs to judge him as a true GM in Washington.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;603851]Listening to ESPN980 right now and two really really interesting points were made:

1) If the skins have success, then Sherman Lewis, not Jim Zorn, will get all the credit.

2) - and this one's much more interesting. They replayed the last portion of Cerratos conference call with the media yesterday about the hire. Cerrato was asked what Sherman Lewis had been doing for the past 5 years. Cerrato's answer was something along the lines of "uhhh, i'm not really sure. I know he hasn't been coaching. uhhh, his son's the defensive coordinator at Michigan. Ok, thats it." Now, there are two possibilities which explain Cerratos response.

Possibility 1) Cerrato and Snyder didn't do a lick of due diligence before bringing in Lewis. They wikipedia'd "West Coast Offense" and his name came up, so they called him.

Possibility 2) Getting Lewis wasn't Cerratos idea (and it certainly wasn't Snyders because he's probably never even herad of the guy before). If it wasn't Cerrato's idea, then [I]someone else[/I] told him to bring Sherman in. To me, this is almost complete confirmation that Holmgren told Cerrato to bring Sherman in, because Holmgren plans on taking over this team, if not midseason, then at the end of the year.[/quote]

Nothing negative about it, but this thread is in offseason form. LOL.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;603851]Listening to ESPN980 right now and two really really interesting points were made:

1) If the skins have success, then Sherman Lewis, not Jim Zorn, will get all the credit.

2) - and this one's much more interesting. They replayed the last portion of Cerratos conference call with the media yesterday about the hire. Cerrato was asked what Sherman Lewis had been doing for the past 5 years. Cerrato's answer was something along the lines of "uhhh, i'm not really sure. I know he hasn't been coaching. uhhh, his son's the defensive coordinator at Michigan. Ok, thats it." Now, there are two possibilities which explain Cerratos response.

Possibility 1) Cerrato and Snyder didn't do a lick of due diligence before bringing in Lewis. They wikipedia'd "West Coast Offense" and his name came up, so they called him.

Possibility 2) Getting Lewis wasn't Cerratos idea (and it certainly wasn't Snyders because he's probably never even herad of the guy before). If it wasn't Cerrato's idea, then [I]someone else[/I] told him to bring Sherman in. To me, this is almost complete confirmation that Holmgren told Cerrato to bring Sherman in, because Holmgren plans on taking over this team, if not midseason, then at the end of the year.[/quote]

Possibility 3) Cerrato told Zorn that having a quality control guy on offense would be a good idea. He then asked Zorn who a good choice for the job would be. Zorn said, "Sherman Lewis."

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;603872]I don't think Fred is/was a mistake. He will eventually produce, I'm waiting for him Kelly and Thomas to also get of their butts. I think they will very soon.[/quote]

I think regardless of his potential production, here's why I think he was a mistake. What's the best case scenario for his production with a healthy Cooley, 20 catches, 3 TD? That's not 2nd round production. The reason he was a mistake was where he was drafted in relation to other needs we had. We had a pro bowl TE already. I didn't have a problem with drafting Kelly and Thomas in the 2nd, but with that extra 2nd round pick a TE was an extreme luxury for a team with major needs at the time.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;603851]Listening to ESPN980 right now and two really really interesting points were made:

1) If the skins have success, then Sherman Lewis, not Jim Zorn, will get all the credit.

2) - and this one's much more interesting. They replayed the last portion of Cerratos conference call with the media yesterday about the hire. Cerrato was asked what Sherman Lewis had been doing for the past 5 years. Cerrato's answer was something along the lines of "uhhh, i'm not really sure. I know he hasn't been coaching. uhhh, his son's the defensive coordinator at Michigan. Ok, thats it." Now, there are two possibilities which explain Cerratos response.

Possibility 1) Cerrato and Snyder didn't do a lick of due diligence before bringing in Lewis. They wikipedia'd "West Coast Offense" and his name came up, so they called him.

Possibility 2) Getting Lewis wasn't Cerratos idea (and it certainly wasn't Snyders because he's probably never even herad of the guy before). If it wasn't Cerrato's idea, then [I]someone else[/I] told him to bring Sherman in. To me, this is almost complete confirmation that Holmgren told Cerrato to bring Sherman in, because Holmgren plans on taking over this team, if not midseason, then at the end of the year.[/quote]

1) Of course he(Lewis) will. It will look like either he(Lewis) fixed the problems that Zorn could not fix or he(Lewis) could not fix what mess Zorn created. In either case Zorn has had 1 full yr to get his feet wet, get to know the talent on the team, know how best to use them, and call the right plays. Now is that enough time ...obviously not for a 1st yr ever HC.

2) If it was Cerrato's idea and his game plan I guarentee you he would have had enough information as to why he did it and what Lewis was doing and how he could help the team. Someone who gets on and muddles his way through a press confrence and can't answer those types of questions certainly didn't come up with the plan and quite possibly doesn't like the plan but is doing it cause his boss wants it that way.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;603637]Why can't this "smell" of trying to give Zorn every chance to succeed. If you want to prep for another coach, then you probably bring (my first thought) Holmgren in. And he starts making plans. You want to give Zorn a shot, you bring in a well respected, but out of the business name.
Maybe it's no more than an experienced advisor to guide Zorn in the transition to a SB caliber HC.[/quote]

I dont think unemployed coaches (like holmgren) would feel comfortable talking about taking over another HC's job while that HC (JZ) is still employed with the team.

Heard an analyst say that if the skins really want to get one of the big coaches for next season they will have to be one of the first teams approaching the big 3 (holmgren, cowher, shannahan). Which means they shouldn't let the decision to fire JZ linger into the offseason.

obviously we are speculating here but imo all signs point to JZ being fired in a few weeks, with sherm taking on the playcalling duties and blache being the HC. this was not a possibility before the hiring of sherm since blache has never called plays. the DS probably wanted to fire zorn after the lions game, vinny and others told him they dont have anyone to call plays, the DS says find a guy who can so when i get my next gut instinct to fire JZ i can.

if zorn gets fired in the next few weeks, its just going to be another typical DS move . . . go i f'in hate what our franchise has turned into.

The Examiner's John Keim caught up with a current NFL GM, who said this:

"My gut feeling is that they will let him come in and be here two to three weeks and if things don't get better, he now knows the offense and the talent and he becomes the playcaller and they name Blache the head coach -- if things don't change."

Or Jason La Canfora, who went on the NFL Network and said this:

"Talking to some people there at Redskins Park, there's no denying that yesterday they had no one on staff who was capable of running that offense on an interim basis if Jim Zorn were to be relieved of his duties mid-season. Now they do. Lewis can be there, study with them, be in the meeting rooms, all that stuff. And if they make a move, that's someone who has called plays and has been a coordinator at the NFL level in the West Coast system."

go skins i suppose . . .

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[quote=Paintrain;603881]I think regardless of his potential production, here's why I think he was a mistake. What's the best case scenario for his production with a healthy Cooley, 20 catches, 3 TD? That's not 2nd round production. The reason he was a mistake was where he was drafted in relation to other needs we had. We had a pro bowl TE already. I didn't have a problem with drafting Kelly and Thomas in the 2nd, but with that extra 2nd round pick a TE was an extreme luxury for a team with major needs at the time.[/quote]

True. Maybe in Vinny's eyes he was the best player available at that time.

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[quote=Paintrain;603881]I think regardless of his potential production, here's why I think he was a mistake. What's the best case scenario for his production with a healthy Cooley, 20 catches, 3 TD? That's not 2nd round production. The reason he was a mistake was where he was drafted in relation to other needs we had. We had a pro bowl TE already. I didn't have a problem with drafting Kelly and Thomas in the 2nd,[B] but with that extra 2nd round pick a TE was an extreme luxury for a team with major needs at the time.[/quote][/B]

Lest we all for get, Cerrato doesn't pick for what the team needs he picks Best player Available. Which is why we have only a few lineman. and then the one DE we pick up has to be moved to SLB cause that is what our need was and he was the closest thing to it.

I don't man to knock Cerrato too much cause I do like Thomas, Kelly, and Davis but with out decent position coach's we get mediocracy and still with a need to inject life into our O-line.

I'll also say that I keep hearing how the O-line is not giving JC enough time to throw the ball....I think the O-line is. It's far fetched to think the O-line is going to give him 10 sec. or more to get the ball to someone. In most cases the QB only has 3-7 seconds. In most cases. Which is exactly what JC is getting. I think it has more to do with either the route running the WR's are doing, not getting seperation, or JC is actually so nervous back there he's not observing the whole field.

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[quote=Lotus;603879]Possibility 3) Cerrato told Zorn that having a quality control guy on offense would be a good idea. He then asked Zorn who a good choice for the job would be. Zorn said, "Sherman Lewis."[/quote]

Reading Zorn's comments, it's obvious he doesn't like the idea of someone else being here or think its necessary, so i HIGHLY doubt possibility 3.

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[quote=over the mountain;603885]I dont think unemployed coaches (like holmgren) would feel comfortable talking about taking over another HC's job while that HC (JZ) is still employed with the team.

Heard an analyst say that if the skins really want to get one of the big coaches for next season they will have to be one of the first teams approaching the big 3 (holmgren, cowher, shannahan). Which means they shouldn't let the decision to fire JZ linger into the offseason.

obviously we are speculating here but imo all signs point to JZ being fired in a few weeks, with sherm taking on the playcalling duties and blache being the HC. this was not a possibility before the hiring of sherm since blache has never called plays. the DS probably wanted to fire zorn after the lions game, vinny and others told him they dont have anyone to call plays, the DS says find a guy who can so when i get my next gut instinct to fire JZ i can.

[B]if zorn gets fired in the next few weeks, its just going to be another typical DS move[/B] . . . go i f'in hate what our franchise has turned into.

The Examiner's John Keim caught up with a current NFL GM, who said this:

"My gut feeling is that they will let him come in and be here two to three weeks and if things don't get better, he now knows the offense and the talent and he becomes the playcaller and they name Blache the head coach -- if things don't change."

Or Jason La Canfora, who went on the NFL Network and said this:

"Talking to some people there at Redskins Park, there's no denying that yesterday they had no one on staff who was capable of running that offense on an interim basis if Jim Zorn were to be relieved of his duties mid-season. Now they do. Lewis can be there, study with them, be in the meeting rooms, all that stuff. And if they make a move, that's someone who has called plays and has been a coordinator at the NFL level in the West Coast system."

go skins i suppose . . .[/quote]
I don't see a mid season firing as 'another typical DS move' at all. Let's assume we're 3-4 at the break (losing to Carolina and Philly, beating KC) and still struggling to score. That would be 5-10 over the past 15 games and no positive signs that we're improving. What is accomplished, other than further infuriating your fan base, by letting Zorn coach out the string? He'd obviously be a lame duck and if he's not improving, why not make a change? Now if we're 4-3 and making strides offensively, he will probably play out the season and see what happens.

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[quote=SBXVII;603889][/B]

Lest we all for get, Cerrato doesn't pick for what the team needs he picks Best player Available. Which is why we have only a few lineman. and then the one DE we pick up has to be moved to SLB cause that is what our need was and he was the closest thing to it.

I don't man to knock Cerrato too much cause I do like Thomas, Kelly, and Davis but with out decent position coach's we get mediocracy and still with a need to inject life into our O-line.

I'll also say that I keep hearing how the O-line is not giving JC enough time to throw the ball....I think the O-line is. It's far fetched to think the O-line is going to give him 10 sec. or more to get the ball to someone. In most cases the QB only has 3-7 seconds. In most cases. Which is exactly what JC is getting. [B]I think it has more to do with either the route running the WR's are doing, not getting seperation, or JC is actually so nervous back there he's not observing the whole field.[/B][/quote]

I read somewhere yesterday (sorry I can't remember where and provide the link) that one of the problems with JC/our passing game is that his lack of trust in the OL is such that he's moving too quickly thru his progressions (as opposed to the 'he locks onto receivers' criticism) which leads to quick checkdowns and missing open receivers.

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[quote=Paintrain;603899]I read somewhere yesterday (sorry I can't remember where and provide the link) that one of the problems with JC/our passing game is that his lack of trust in the OL is such that he's moving too quickly thru his progressions (as opposed to the 'he locks onto receivers' criticism) which leads to quick checkdowns and missing open receivers.[/quote]

that's an interesting point. That first sack/fumble was just as much or more on JC as the o line. He stepped up in the pocket but did so too quickly considering he didn't get rid of it. He could've stayed behind his blockers a second or two longer. I see why Zorn said he should've run it, cause he stepped right into the pressure.

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Bye Bye Zorn...hello Holmgren/Lewis

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I think its simple. He is here to help but also evaluate Zorn. I am sure he will report back to DS and let him know if it is more about the players we have, the play calling, the preparation in pratices, skill position coaches, etc.

Then DS will know if Zorn has what it takes and if other factors are contributing to them not being a potent offense. But I don't think it's good news for Zorn either way.

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[quote=freddyg12;603939]that's an interesting point. That first sack/fumble was just as much or more on JC as the o line. He stepped up in the pocket but did so too quickly considering he didn't get rid of it. He could've stayed behind his blockers a second or two longer. I see why Zorn said he should've run it, cause he stepped right into the pressure.[/quote]

Well I am sure he was taught to step us since there was a big issue with him fumbling in the game against the Giants because he didn't step up. I think JC is not getting clear direction and on the other hand he does not have the freedom to think for himself. He has to think too much -- instead of letting him go out there and use his instincts. If I was him I would dump it off to Cooley also. But what makes some people think that "at times" Cooley isn't the best option when our best receiver is getting double teamed and the other WRs are not creating separation. Also if he doesn't have time then he is going to rush things. But its a combination of a few things. [I]This is exactly why Sherm Lewis was brought in to find out what the issue is with our offense.[/I]

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[quote=Lotus;603879]Possibility 3) Cerrato told Zorn that having a quality control guy on offense would be a good idea. He then asked Zorn who a good choice for the job would be. Zorn said, "Sherman Lewis."[/quote]

Well that's just crazy Lotus. There's no behind the scenes intrigue in that. :) That is pretty much what has been reported and is probably what's going on. Zorn didn't ask for help but it was something the FO wanted to do. A list of names were put forth and Zorn agreed with Lewis since he knows the WCO so well and both are familiar with the same terminology having both worked with Holmgren. Like I posted before, businessmen do this all the time and Snyder has ran this team like one of his other business'es since he's owned the team. Vinny was in SF when they did it and probably thought it was a good idea. Not as much cloak and dagger as people like but probably all there is to it.

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Bruce Allen on Sirius NFL Radio on bringing in consultants:
-He's done if before with Marv Levy, Bill Walsh, Deacon Jones, etc.
-Effectiveness depends on the consultant, he's not familiar with Sherman Lewis personally
-It's better to add than to subtract (fire)
-He didn't express a strong position either way but he said he doesn't understand the early changes in coordinators or firing a coach this early.

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[quote=Paintrain;604006]Bruce Allen on Sirius NFL Radio on bringing in consultants:
-He's done if before with Marv Levy, Bill Walsh, Deacon Jones, etc.
-Effectiveness depends on the consultant, he's not familiar with Sherman Lewis personally
[B]-It's better to add than to subtract (fire)[/B]
-He didn't express a strong position either way but he said he doesn't understand the early changes in coordinators or firing a coach this early.[/quote]

That's a good point and maybe we should give some credit to Vinny for trying to help the situation rather than assuming it means Zorn is hanging by an even thinner thread. Or that Lewis is here as a mole for Holmgren, which I think is a ridiculous assumption.

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I just saw Lewis on Redskins Nation. He said him and Zorn sat down and watched film last night and his first impression was a different player messes up and bogs down the offense. A tackle messes up one play then a guard the next, or a receiver jumps etc. Zorn told him to be honest and tell him what he sees so they can discuss it. He hopes by not having been so close to the situation maybe he'll see something that can help. I think he might come to the same conclusion I have. The execution and our own mistakes (dropped passes-fumbles-penalties) are killing us.

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[quote=SBXVII;603889][/b]

Lest we all for get, Cerrato doesn't pick for what the team needs he picks Best player Available. Which is why we have only a few lineman. and then the one DE we pick up has to be moved to SLB cause that is what our need was and he was the closest thing to it.

I don't man to knock Cerrato too much cause I do like Thomas, Kelly, and Davis but with out decent position coach's we get mediocracy and still with a need to inject life into our O-line.

I'll also say that I keep hearing how the O-line is not giving JC enough time to throw the ball....I think the O-line is. It's far fetched to think the O-line is going to give him 10 sec. or more to get the ball to someone. In most cases the QB only has 3-7 seconds. In most cases. Which is exactly what JC is getting. I think it has more to do with either the route running the WR's are doing, not getting seperation, or JC is actually so nervous back there he's not observing the whole field.[/quote]


Good point. I definitely was okay with him picking the best available player in the draft at first. But now it doesn't make sense. We better load up on OLs this draft and a RB and get a linebacker in free agency. Let's concentrate on positions of need. If we get a linebacker in free agency maybe we can put Orakpo on the line.

So everyone is talking about getting a QB in the draft. We need to use one of our first to picks on OLs. Maybe we can cut a deal for another pick so we can get a QB. Hope someone slips into our hands because of injury. i.e, Bradford. If we don't draft OLs it would be best to get Mike Vick. At least he can scarmble well..lol. That's a joke about getting Mike Vick. Maybe. We will see how he does the rest of the season. Also remember Philly is just his stepping stone and now that DS has seen that there hasn't been a lot of heat. I bet he will be salivating to check him out. Even if he does draft a QB. There is going to be a lot of things going on with this team because of the uncapped season going on. But as for now. Let's hope JC suceeds despite the doubters. If not we have to evaulate our next Qb thoroughly whether it is in the draft, free agency or a trade. Because if not we will run them out of town quickly if they dont become a pro bowler by their second year as a starter. Maybe sooner.

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[quote=Mattyk72;604008]That's a good point and maybe we should give some credit to Vinny for trying to help the situation rather than assuming it means Zorn is hanging by an even thinner thread. Or that Lewis is here as a mole for Holmgren, which I think is a ridiculous assumption.[/quote]


Are you the same guy that writes the blog? Or am I just late realizing this? Or is it obvious. Just asking. I know one guy on there leaving comments was a total asshole!!

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;604033]Are you the same guy that writes the blog? Or am I just late realizing this? Or is it obvious. Just asking. I know one guy on there leaving comments was a total asshole!![/quote]

what blog?

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[quote=Mattyk72;604037]what blog?[/quote]

redskins blog. nevermind. it isn't important. if you all need anything graphic or web help on here or anywhere else message me.

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Sorry guys but am I the only who finds this whole thing hysterical??? Poor Zorny...

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=txredskinszornshelp&prov=st&type=lgns]Sherman Lewis goes from bingo caller to Redskins - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

"“I had to go to the senior center and cancel my bingo calling,” said the 67-year-old Lewis, who last worked in the NFL with the Detroit Lions during the 2004 season. “And I had to cancel my Meals on Wheels today.”"

I read that paragraph and I've been laughing for an hour. Let the jokes begin...

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... I'll start:

"Ok Jason, here are your new audibles: B-15, I-31, N-45, G-57, O-75"

:laughing-:laughing-:laughing-:laughing-:laughing-:laughing-:laughing-

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;604038]redskins blog. nevermind. it isn't important. if you all need anything graphic or web help on here or anywhere else message me.[/quote]

oh Matt Terl you mean, no I'm definitely not him

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[quote=Mattyk72;604008]That's a good point and maybe we should give some credit to Vinny for trying to help the situation rather than assuming it means Zorn is hanging by an even thinner thread. [B]Or that Lewis is here as a mole for Holmgren[/B], which I think is a ridiculous assumption.[/quote]

I don't know if I'd call him a "mole" per se, but I could see him looking at game films, evaluating players, and seeing how they fit with what Holmgren is looking for.

To me, it doesn't speak well if the front office isn't confident enough in Zorn to fix the offense if they have to bring in somebody from the outside to help.

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I don't see any possible negative to this move.

1. Sherm has a ton more experience...and we have a very inexperienced Head coach
2. It lights a fire under Zorn's butt
3 It sends the players a message that they are also on borrowed time

I love this move...it is a no loss situation for the Skins...of course it may be lose-lose for Zorn personally

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I have no idea why they didn't get this guy at the beginning of the Zorn administration.

It's been mentioned before that Zorn has probably about 3 jobs. One needs at least 14 hours a day- HC, only his second year. OC/ play caller- 8 hours a day, and QB coach.
Each job is enough for one person to handle, let alone one guy for all 3.

With last year's collapse and this year's slow start- I think Cerrato figured shit, this guy has great coaching qualities but he just can't get his head above the water. He needs a bouy or everyone will get sucked down with him.

The guy is 67 and out of football for almost 5 years. He's not coaching the offense starting week 8 after a "potential" Zorn firing. That ain't gonna happen. Let's talk after the Philly game, eh?

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[quote=Mattyk72;604008]That's a good point and maybe we should give some credit to Vinny for trying to help the situation rather than assuming it means Zorn is hanging by an even thinner thread. [B]Or that Lewis is here as a mole for Holmgren, which I think is a ridiculous assumption.[/B][/quote]

This is hilarious. I feel like we're in the offseason with all these ridiculous assumptions.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;604066]Sorry guys but am I the only who finds this whole thing hysterical??? Poor Zorny...

[URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=txredskinszornshelp&prov=st&type=lgns"]Sherman Lewis goes from bingo caller to Redskins - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/URL]

"“I had to go to the senior center and cancel my bingo calling,” said the 67-year-old Lewis, who last worked in the NFL with the Detroit Lions during the 2004 season. “And I had to cancel my Meals on Wheels today.”"

I read that paragraph and I've been laughing for an hour. Let the jokes begin...[/quote]

LOL. Seriously. It's a shit show for sure. Fazio, Arnsparger, Al Saunders, now enter Sherm Lewis. Come on. A "fresh set of eyes" ??? Sure. That was clearly the commanded "spin" from the powers that be in Ashburn given how many times I've read/heard that phrase in the last day and a half. Whatever. Undermine Zorn, try something you've done three times already with ZERO results. Whatever you say Snyderatto. Not saying Zorn has done anything to prevent this from happening, but it's obviously more of the same with this kind of (mid-season) hire.

Casserly is dead on. Kiss of Death.

Re: Redskins hire offensive consultant
 

[quote=Mattyk72;604008]That's a good point and maybe we should give some credit to Vinny for trying to help the situation rather than assuming it means Zorn is hanging by an even thinner thread. Or that Lewis is here as a mole for Holmgren, which I think is a ridiculous assumption.[/quote]

I suppose Vinny deserves some credit for trying to compensate for his iffy coaching hire, but how can we not assume it's a bad thing for Zorn? I agree with your assertions about the Holmgren mole thing, but it's pretty obvious how thin Zorn's thread is now. Adding a 67 year old guy who hasn't sniffed an NFL sideline for 4+ years to help improve Zorn's supposed strengths is not a positive for his job security.