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I heard his football "analysis" related to McNabb. Just great stuff.

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[quote=hooskins;607689]Limbaugh knows football as well as he understands politics. Or basic logic.[/quote]

Don't let your political point of view blind you to the truth. Limbaugh has forgotten more football knowledge than Snyder will ever know.

Mark my words. If Limbaugh gets St.Louis, some people will make a big stink. After a little while it will blow over. Then St.Louis will be a marque team again. Limbaugh is a Steelers fan and would follow their model.

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For every person saying thumbs down on Gruden, let's recall that Gruden and the Bucs beat us when we met over the past few years.

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[quote=Buster;607699]
Anyways, back to the topic, I'd take Gruden.[B] Anyone that can win with Al Davis in charge could win under Snyder[/B].[/quote]

We have a winner.

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[quote=Buster;607699]Never heard him talk football I can see.


Anyways, back to the topic, I'd take Gruden. [B] Anyone that can win with Al Davis in charge could win under Snyder[/B].[/quote]

You make a good point Buster. I hadn't thought of it that way.

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[quote=Hog1;607622]I'm doing my part. I haven't been to a Redskins....home game in 10 years. What the hell is wrong with the rest of you?

I just heard on ESPN 980 (in DC) that John Gruden appears to be the front runner for the Skins new Head Coach. They are referring to as it is a done deal. That must make JZ feel...GOOD[/quote]

980 also said Fassel and Mariucci were done deal so take that for what it's worth.

Anyhow, my personal top notch Gruden source has now gone from Gruden's "not interested" to he "obviously would like to get back into coaching, just wants to make sure it's the right fit wherever he goes"

Again, I'd like for Gruden to bring Bruce Allen with him.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;607709]For every person saying thumbs down on Gruden, let's recall that Gruden and the Bucs beat us when we met over the past few years.[/quote]

And I believe we beat them in the playoffs twice too, once with Brunnell.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;607716]And I believe we beat them in the playoffs twice too, once with Brunnell.[/quote]

If I recall we lost to them in the play-offs once and beat them before losing to Seatle?

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[quote=DBUCHANON101;607687]I see you failed to bring up his tenure in Oakland when he had the leagues' top Offense. Tampa is a defensive team, thats where their efforts went,Gruden never had much on the other side.[/quote]

True. But I don't see Jerry Rice or Tim Brown on this roster.

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[quote=SmootSmack;607713]980 also said Fassel and Mariucci were done deal so take that for what it's worth.

Anyhow, my personal top notch Gruden source has now gone from Gruden's "not interested" to he "obviously would like to get back into coaching, just wants to make sure it's the right fit wherever he goes"

Again, I'd like for Gruden to bring Bruce Allen with him.[/quote]

If we lose against the Chiefs, I say there's greater than a 50% chance that, at this time next week, Gruden will have called his last MNF game and he'll be on the on the sidelines the following Monday.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;607728]If we lose against the Chiefs, I say there's greater than a 50% chance that Gruden has called his last MNF game and he'll be on the on the sidelines the following Monday.[/quote]Well, he may not be on the sidelines the next Monday, but he'll definately be at the game.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;607726]If I recall we lost to them in the play-offs once and beat them before losing to Seatle?[/quote]

My bad.

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I thought we beat Tampa then lost to Seattle in 2005/2006

And we lost to Seattle in 2007/2008

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[quote=SmootSmack;607740]I thought we beat Tampa then lost to Seattle in 2005/2006

And we lost to Seattle in 2007/2008[/quote]

This is correct.

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Correction:

2005 also marked a return to the playoffs, as the Bucs' posted a surprising 11–5 record, despite the loss of starting quarterback Brian Griese and some controversial coaching decisions, including a two-point conversion in the final seconds to defeat the Washington Redskins, who would later return to Tampa and eliminate the Bucs from the wild-card round of the playoffs.

Head coaching record
Team Year Regular Season Post Season
Won Lost Ties Win % Finish Won Lost Win % Result
OAK 1998 8 8 0 .500 3rd in AFC West - - - -
OAK 1999 8 8 0 .500 4th in AFC West - - - -
OAK 2000 12 4 0 .750 1st in AFC West 1 1 .500 Lost to Baltimore Ravens in AFC Championship Game.
OAK 2001 10 6 0 .625 1st in AFC West 1 1 .500 Lost to New England Patriots in AFC Divisional Game.
OAK Total 38 26 0 .594 2 2 .500
TAM 2002 12 4 0 .750 1st in NFC South 3 0 1.000 Won Super Bowl XXXVII
TAM 2003 7 9 0 .438 3rd in NFC South - - - -
TAM 2004 5 11 0 .312 4th in NFC South - - - -
TAM 2005 11 5 0 .688 1st in NFC South 0 1 .000 Lost to Washington Redskins in NFC Wild-Card Game.
TAM 2006 4 12 0 .250 4th in NFC South - - - -
TAM 2007 9 7 0 .563 1st in NFC South 0 1 .000 Lost to New York Giants in NFC Wild-Card Game.
TAM 2008 9 7 0 .563 3rd in NFC South - - - -
TAM Total 57 55 0 .509 3 2 .600
Total[7] 95 81 0 .540 5 4 .556

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[quote=SmootSmack;607713]980 also said Fassel and Mariucci were done deal so take that for what it's worth.

Anyhow, my personal top notch Gruden source has now gone from Gruden's "not interested" to he "obviously would like to get back into coaching, just wants to make sure it's the right fit wherever he goes"

Again, I'd like for Gruden to bring Bruce Allen with him.[/quote]

I would be good with this deal IF we could get a decent GM in with him. I'm good with Bruce, AND when Dan askes me, I'll tell him so! Either way it will be an upgrade as JZ is just......over his head

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[quote=SmootSmack;607740]I thought we beat Tampa then lost to Seattle in 2005/2006

And we lost to Seattle in 2007/2008[/quote]

We lost the play off game to Tampa in 1999. I know that has nothing to do with Chucky. My arguement was based off the regular season.

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[quote=GTripp0012;607729]Well, he may not be on the sidelines the next Monday, but he'll definately be at the game.[/quote]
Oh. I see what you did there...

I said this in a previous thread, but if the Chiefs win on Sunday, Zorn and Sherman Smith will be out, Sherm Lewis will be O-Coord and someone in house (Gray or Danny Smith are the 2 names linked) will be interim coach. I don't see them bringing an outside guy in until after the season's done.

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[quote=BDBohnzie;607759]Oh. I see what you did there...

I said this in a previous thread, but if the Chiefs win on Sunday, Zorn and Sherman Smith will be out, Sherm Lewis will be O-Coord and someone in house (Gray or Danny Smith are the 2 names linked) will be interim coach. I don't see them bringing an outside guy in until after the season's done.[/quote]

Wouldn't it be something if suddenly things just start to click with Smith or Gray as head coach? Snyder is going to be like "Uh oh. I wasn't expecting this"

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[quote=SmootSmack;607767]Wouldn't it be something if suddenly things just start to click with Smith or Gray as head coach? Snyder is going to be like "Uh oh. I wasn't expecting this"[/quote]

The chances of that happening are slim to none. Short of winning the superbowl, i cant see him giving the job to Smith or Gray. I actually hope its Gray. He certainly deserves the shot to be HC and it would look great on his resume. Maybe he'll finally get a real HC job after having 9 games of HC experience instead of just being the #1 guy on the annual rooney rule rotation.

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[quote=SmootSmack;607767]Wouldn't it be something if suddenly things just start to click with Smith or Gray as head coach? Snyder is going to be like "Uh oh. I wasn't expecting this"[/quote]

I've always liked D. Smith & wondered if he had head coach potential. He might be just what the team needs (along w/young, talented O linemen, wr's, and LBs)!

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[quote=SmootSmack;607767]Wouldn't it be something if suddenly things just start to click with Smith or Gray as head coach? Snyder is going to be like "Uh oh. I wasn't expecting this"[/quote]

I agree it would be crazy. I just don't see it happening. Basically for that to happen Zorn would get fired and with Smiths planning the team would have to start winning games. I still think we are disfunctional. WR's can't seperate from a wet paper bag, Portis is not using his vision he has used in the past, the O-line is now broken and we are using second stringers on the O-line...you know the ones who only had to play against second rate players in preseason.

I just don't see any major changes unless we bring in new healthier O-lineman or change the scheme, and changing the scheme might not work at all. I just threw that out there cause I get the feeling Zorn has Buges doing something different with the O-line.

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I have tickets for Sundays game and I don't even want to make the drive down from Jersey.

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[quote=freddyg12;607780]I've always liked D. Smith & wondered if he had head coach potential. He might be just what the team needs (along w/young, talented O linemen, wr's, and LBs)![/quote]

The irony of course is that both Gray and Smith are Gregg Williams' disciples.

But no, I don't expect that either would make a huge difference. But what I've found interesting is that for weeks we've heard players saying it's not the coaches' fault, we need to execute, play smarter, etc.

But in all my years of hearing players say that usually either the coach is already gone and they've said it, or they say it and then go out and do it. These players are saying it and not really doing anything about it. It's almost like "yeah well we should be...but we won't" Maybe one of these guys will change that mindset?

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[quote=SmootSmack;607797]The irony of course is that both Gray and Smith are Gregg Williams' disciples.

But no, I don't expect that either would make a huge difference. But what I've found interesting is that for weeks we've heard players saying it's not the coaches' fault, we need to execute, play smarter, etc.

But in all my years of hearing players say that usually either the coach is already gone and they've said it, or they say it and then go out and do it. These players are saying it and not really doing anything about it. It's almost like "yeah well we should be...but we won't" Maybe one of these guys will change that mindset?[/quote]

good point. I don't put too much weight into what players say under most any circumstance, unless they say something stupid or inappropriate. Otherwise, players are politicians for their teams when before a mic. It's not like they're going to say, man, Zorn is sorry.

I think Smith would be a logical follow up to Zorn; the fiery coach replacing the nice coach. And sometimes a change in the workplace is enough simply to kick people in the ass & let them know they're being evaluated, no matter who takes over.

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[quote=SmootSmack;607797]The irony of course is that both Gray and Smith are Gregg Williams' disciples.

But no, I don't expect that either would make a huge difference. But what I've found interesting is that for weeks we've heard players saying it's not the coaches' fault, we need to execute, play smarter, etc.

But in all my years of hearing players say that usually either the coach is already gone and they've said it, or they say it and then go out and do it. These players are saying it and not really doing anything about it. It's almost like "yeah well we should be...but we won't" Maybe one of these guys will change that mindset?[/quote]But the execution errors aren't due to a lack of focus necessarily. The execution errors really boil down to procedure penalties on offense, and shoddy tackling on defense. The tackling is something we specifically approached lightly in the offseason and preseason, seemingly in exchange for having the players healthy later on. That seems more like a give-take tradeoff to me. The offensive procedure penalties are about 75% attributable to offensive line turnover and 25% attributable to sideline disorganization.

The only thing the coaches can actually fix at this point is the sideline disorganization. But that won't fix a majority of the execution issues. That just has more to do with the natural fluctuations of the game of football and the subsequent deficits in talent caused.

All assumptions made in this post are those of the authors' alone, and are not attributable to any palm reading that may or may not have occured this weekend.

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[quote=SmootSmack;607767]Wouldn't it be something if suddenly things just start to click with Smith or Gray as head coach? Snyder is going to be like "Uh oh. I wasn't expecting this"[/quote]

Name one interim head coach who had a winning record in the season that he took over.

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[quote=Angry;607844]Name one interim head coach who had a winning record in the season that he took over.[/quote]

didn't singletary last year in SF?

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[quote=Angry;607844]Name one interim head coach who had a winning record in the season that he took over.[/quote]

Don Coryell

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[quote=SmootSmack;607850]Don Coryell[/quote]

Ok, since the FA era, not named Mike Singletary, and actually made the playoffs. :)

Wise ass.

My point is that it hasn't been done, while it is not entirely impossible it is highly improbable.

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[quote=SmootSmack;607767]Wouldn't it be something if suddenly things just start to click with Smith or Gray as head coach? Snyder is going to be like "Uh oh. I wasn't expecting this"[/quote]
It would certainly be something, however the likelihood of Smith or Gray continuing as head coach if tabbed with the job would be determined by the ability of Snyder getting the attention of one of the highly touted head coaches out there looking for work. With names like Gruden, Cowher, Shanahan, and Holmgren on the tips of everyones' tongues, I don't see Snyder passing them up, especially after the "disaster" that Zorn has been.

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[quote=BDBohnzie;607863]It would certainly be something, however the likelihood of Smith or Gray continuing as head coach if tabbed with the job would be determined by the ability of Snyder getting the attention of one of the highly touted head coaches out there looking for work. With names like Gruden, Cowher, Shanahan, and Holmgren on the tips of everyones' tongues, I don't see Snyder passing them up, especially after the "disaster" that Zorn has been.[/quote]

Make Holmgren the President, Jerry Gray HC, and Turner Gill OC!!!!!

:)

I just hope we do our research, I mean really do our research...as in Shanahan is not a good judge of talent (or character)

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[quote=SmootSmack;607865]Make Holmgren the President, Jerry Gray HC, and Turner Gill OC!!!!!

:)

I just hope we do our research, I mean really do our research...as in Shanahan is not a good judge of talent (or character)[/quote]

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/5102/will-denver%E2%80%99s-fast-start-reflect-poorly-on-shanahan]Will Denver's fast start reflect poorly on Shanahan? - AFC West - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=SmootSmack;607865]Make Holmgren the President, Jerry Gray HC, and Turner Gill OC!!!!!

:)

I just hope we do our research, I mean really do our research...as in Shanahan is not a good judge of talent (or character)[/quote]"Clinton, who taught you this 'zero cut' running style?"

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[quote=SmootSmack;607865]Make Holmgren the President, Jerry Gray HC, and Turner Gill OC!!!!!

:)

I just hope we do our research, I mean really do our research...as in Shanahan is not a good judge of talent (or character)[/quote]

That's the main thing. I hope we do our research and do it the right way. We don't have to get a name coach, although some out there are good candidates.

That said if history is an indicator then i'm really concerned. I'm sure it will be a "name" guy. I guess that's better than a Jim Zorn though.

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Ya know whats really funny, Norv is an excellent OC but sucks as a HC. While with the Skins the team seemed stuck in the mudd, lethargic, never going anywhere. He left us and picked up a few jobs but when he was an OC he shined and offenses did well. Then he gets the San Diego job and now I hear he is losing the fan base due to the same reasons as when he was with us. ;)

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/14/report-louisville-wants-gruden/]Report: Louisville wants Gruden | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

College ranks vying for Gruden

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[quote=Skinny Tee;608674][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/14/report-louisville-wants-gruden/]Report: Louisville wants Gruden | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

College ranks vying for Gruden[/quote]

Unless it's Notre Dame I'd be surprised if he goes to the college ranks. He'll be a prime candidate for the NFL next offseason

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[quote=Skinny Tee;608674][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/14/report-louisville-wants-gruden/]Report: Louisville wants Gruden | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

College ranks vying for Gruden[/quote]

Yep Mike Lombardi mentioned it on the NFL network, still not done deal and if Danny fires Zorn there's that speculation.

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Louisville...my god are they out of their minds! Who do they think they are even putting Gruden on their list? Gruden is on Monday Night Football and is a candidate for like a half dozen NFL openings, but he's supposed to give that up to coach a basketball schools football program? I also heard that Temple has Bill Parcells #1 on their list! ND is the only school that Gruden would even take a call from.