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[quote=Hog1;608610]I think it is a...wonderful idea! However, I am not completely sure Dan will notice the lack of a game day thread? BUT, don't get me wrong.....wonderful initiative...[/quote]

I was thinking more for our own piece of mind :)

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[quote=SmootSmack;608616]I was thinking more for our own piece of mind :)[/quote]
Just....jerking your chain a bit...

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I'll wear a bag on my head this weekend if you do.

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httREDSKINSp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130336985882

Forget the bags(Security won't let them in)...wear your feelings on your chest w/ that shirt...LOL!

FYI: You need to remove the word REDSKINS from the link(I am a noob and can't post links)...if a vet could post the link w/out the modification it is appreciated...

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Chiefs' fans are feeling the same way it seems

[url=http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=115&f=1837&t=4933517]Scout.com: Fan Ignorance[/url]

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I'm not sure if anyone posted this but...
[url=http://www.fanexodus.com/]FAN EXODUS.COM[/url]

We want Mr. Snyder and Mr. Cerrato to relinquish total control of the organization and hire a General Manager. We want a strong leader as coach and we want him to have full control. Furthermore, we want the coach to be given a chance to build a team -- he must be honored the full length of his contract. We regret the way Marty Schottenheimer was treated, and we do not believe any respectable coach can be expected to produce results under similar conditions.

We want Mr. Snyder and Mr. Cerrato to hire a front office in charge of personnel decisions. Mr. Snyder and Mr. Cerrato should not be involved in such decisions.

We want Management to take a back seat to the individuals they hire to run the team. The organization should hire quality individuals and then trust them to be autonomous.

We want a commitment to building the less glamorous parts of the team, starting with the offensive line. We understand that flashy skill position players sell tickets, but we maintain that winning games will sell more.

We want a public acknowledgment from Mr. Snyder and Mr. Cerrato that the current course is unacceptable.

Join us:
[url=http://www.fanexodus.com/]FAN EXODUS.COM[/url]

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;608842]I'm not sure if anyone posted this but...
[url=http://www.fanexodus.com/]FAN EXODUS.COM[/url]

We want Mr. Snyder and Mr. Cerrato to relinquish total control of the organization and hire a General Manager. We want a strong leader as coach and we want him to have full control. Furthermore, we want the coach to be given a chance to build a team -- he must be honored the full length of his contract. We regret the way Marty Schottenheimer was treated, and we do not believe any respectable coach can be expected to produce results under similar conditions.

We want Mr. Snyder and Mr. Cerrato to hire a front office in charge of personnel decisions. Mr. Snyder and Mr. Cerrato should not be involved in such decisions.

We want Management to take a back seat to the individuals they hire to run the team. The organization should hire quality individuals and then trust them to be autonomous.

We want a commitment to building the less glamorous parts of the team, starting with the offensive line. We understand that flashy skill position players sell tickets, but we maintain that winning games will sell more.

We want a public acknowledgment from Mr. Snyder and Mr. Cerrato that the current course is unacceptable.

Join us:
[url=http://www.fanexodus.com/]FAN EXODUS.COM[/url][/quote]

This won't come true if you have ignorant fans who want freaking Tim Tebow.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;608316]But if fans are sufficiently frustrated to want to get his attention for any reason, think about hitting him in the ego in addition to hitting him in the wallet. It's easier - - and it might be more fun.[/quote]

Good post. Didn't want to quote the whole thing, because it is long. Good point, and also very true.

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[quote=BrunellMVP?;608842]I'm not sure if anyone posted this but...
[URL="http://www.fanexodus.com/"]FAN EXODUS.COM[/URL]

We want Mr. Snyder and Mr. Cerrato to relinquish total control of the organization and hire a General Manager. We want a strong leader as coach and we want him to have full control. Furthermore, we want the coach to be given a chance to build a team -- he must be honored the full length of his contract. We regret the way Marty Schottenheimer was treated, and we do not believe any respectable coach can be expected to produce results under similar conditions.

We want Mr. Snyder and Mr. Cerrato to hire a front office in charge of personnel decisions. Mr. Snyder and Mr. Cerrato should not be involved in such decisions.

We want Management to take a back seat to the individuals they hire to run the team. The organization should hire quality individuals and then trust them to be autonomous.

We want a commitment to building the less glamorous parts of the team, starting with the offensive line. We understand that flashy skill position players sell tickets, but we maintain that winning games will sell more.

We want a public acknowledgment from Mr. Snyder and Mr. Cerrato that the current course is unacceptable.

Join us:
[URL="http://www.fanexodus.com/"]FAN EXODUS.COM[/URL][/quote]

It was posted in the off topic thread, but it can't hurt to have it here. I already signed that btw. Too bad nobody in the Redskins Organization gives a damn nor will ever see it.

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Hey, if you guys want to wear bags, you just gotta fold them up and put them in your pocket when you enter the stadium. Also, be prepared to be kicked out once you begin wearing them. But, if that happens, make the biggest scene possible! :)

Makes me think of a funny thought I had before:
Wear a replica referee's uniform to the game and bring a lot of yellow penalty flags with a little sand in them. Then, at some point during the game -- like when Hall whiffed or we got the safety -- start throwing them out onto the field like a madman. Also, and this is really important, make sure you get hammered beforehand. Let me know how it goes!

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Someone is trying to have all fans show up in black on Sun. to show the fans discontent. If this helps at all in the form of doing something.

[url=http://www.hailredskins.com/vbforum/showthread.php?t=49883]You guys hear about people wearing black to the games? - hailRedskins.com Fan Board[/url]

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Well, talking about being guaranteed to be heard..

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8136dce7&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Bills fans rent billboard to advertise discontent with team[/url]

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Lets get some cash together. Im thinking "Fire Vinny Or Sell The Team"

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Why not rent a plane and fly a banner over the field durn the game.

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I think a simple chant Sunday would work. Any ideas?

"Hey Vinnie. You suck!"

or

"Yo, Yo, Vinnie's gotta go"

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[quote=GridIron26;609004]Well, talking about being guaranteed to be heard..

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8136dce7&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true]Bills fans rent billboard to advertise discontent with team[/url][/quote]

Dude! Thats a really good idea! Right on the interstate too. The whole town will see that........................That is awesome!

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I know protest by going out and buying a dallas jersey and everyone show up wearing Dallas stuff. How about protest by buying a beer at the game then dumping it out. I know don't go to game or use your allready paid for tickets.

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[quote=Chico23231;609012]Lets get some cash together. Im thinking "Fire Vinny Or Sell The Team"[/quote]


If you or anyone else organize the website and paypal stuff I promise to donate $20 to it.

Do they have billboads in DC though? I know Fairfax doesnt. Maybe in MD on 495 by the stadium?

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[quote=mlmpetert;609024]If you or anyone else organize the website and paypal stuff I promise to donate $20 to it.

Do they have billboads in DC though? I know Fairfax doesnt. Maybe in MD on 495 by the stadium?[/quote]

Ill throw $20.00 as well, maybe a little more...on the way to the stadium would be classic....

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How about "Honk if You Hate Danny Snyder"

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I just spoke to Jay at USA Outdoor Media, and the whole DC area is protected with beautification laws. However; there are still billboards available that were grandfathered in. Basically all this means is low supply in a area with high demand, so it will cost 4-5k for the whole process (including making the advertisement). I think raising that in DC would be easy if Buffalo can pull it off pretty quickly.

I don’t have any website experience and the people I know are pretty amateurish. Is anyone willing to put a website together?

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[quote=mlmpetert;609038]I just spoke to Jay at USA Outdoor Media, and the whole DC area is protected with beautification laws. However; there are still billboards available that were grandfathered in. Basically all this means is low supply in a area with high demand, so it will cost 4-5k for the whole process (including making the advertisement). I think raising that in DC would be easy if Buffalo can pull it off pretty quickly.

I don’t have any website experience and the people I know are pretty amateurish. Is anyone willing to put a website together?[/quote]
Dan will scoop in and pay 20384k to tell you to vote fletcher to the pro bowl

I'd be willing to do web work.. I'll try to get some graphics guys on board -- not really my strong suit, but I could probably host, code

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Personally I think we could take inspiration from other disgruntled teams' fans' ideas, like for instance how we're organizing this DC billboard thing because of the Bills fans doing it. There are other ways we as a fanbase can voice our displeasure as well. If we could get enough people that go to the games behind it we could all march, and wear paper bags on our heads as we march. We couldn't get kicked out partly because we wouldn't be wearing paper bags in the stadium, and partly because as long as it was a civil march, similar to the ones they did in Detroit to get Millen fired, than it would be a peaceful protest that would be handled civilly.

The only thing though would how would the fanbase organize such a mass protest for the people actually going to the game? Then again you wouldn't need tickets just to march, you'd only need tickets to get into the game.

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[quote=mooby;609108]Personally I think we could take inspiration from other disgruntled teams' fans' ideas, like for instance how we're organizing this DC billboard thing because of the Bills fans doing it. There are other ways we as a fanbase can voice our displeasure as well. If we could get enough people that go to the games behind it we could all march, and wear paper bags on our heads as we march. We couldn't get kicked out partly because we wouldn't be wearing paper bags in the stadium, and partly because as long as it was a civil march, similar to the ones they did in Detroit to get Millen fired, than it would be a peaceful protest that would be handled civilly.

The only thing though would how would the fanbase organize such a mass protest for the people actually going to the game? Then again you wouldn't need tickets just to march, you'd only need tickets to get into the game.[/quote]

Yeah, but you need major media exposure, and to drill it in enough to make people into sheep... out of the 90k+ that go to the game, how many read the message boards?

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[quote=tryfuhl;609114]Yeah, but you need major media exposure, and to drill it in enough to make people into sheep... out of the 90k+ that go to the game, how many read the message boards?[/quote]

10k of them? I have no idea. I'd love to see it happen but word would have to be spread. But the great thing is you don't need people that have tickets, you just need Redskins fans that want things to change bad enough that they are willing to drive out there and participate in this march. I don't think that would happen but a man can dream.

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[quote=mooby;609124]10k of them? I have no idea. I'd love to see it happen but word would have to be spread. But the great thing is you don't need people that have tickets, you just need Redskins fans that want things to change bad enough that they are willing to drive out there and participate in this march. I don't think that would happen but a man can dream.[/quote]
doubt that it's even that much

need a collective

I'd be down, anything that I can do I will

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No more Redskin merchandise for me, that's the only way that I can have a voice.

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[quote=tryfuhl;609093]Dan will scoop in and pay 20384k to tell you to vote fletcher to the pro bowl

I'd be willing to do web work.. I'll try to get some graphics guys on board -- not really my strong suit, but I could probably host, code[/quote]

[url=http://www.fundable.com/]Fundraising — Raise Money Online[/url]

I think this is the way to go. It allows you to set a fundraising goal (ie 5k), everyone pays via paypal and if we CANT raise enough everyone gets their money back. Plus being a third party takes away a lot of the ifyness of giving money over the internet.

I am waiting for a detailed quote from Jay, if its reasonable im going to start the fund. Anyone interested in helping out send me pm. Anyone with any legal background please chime in about what not to do (ie use the Redskins name, logo, colors, Dannys name, anything).

My hope is that we have something together by the Monday Night Eagles...

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;608367]You have a good point, that would be tempting. I'm kinda superstitious, so I would not switch to the game because it would jinx them and cause them to start losing.[/quote]

Speaking of superstition. I told this girl living with me, not to talk to me during the game and right when the punt at the end of the game was kicked, she walked in to the room i was watching the game in and asked me if i wanted a beer. As she is saying that im watching the game and i see a fair catch being called, and again I hear the vioce of defeat "Do u need a beer" and BAM there goes the game. Im sorry for the loss fellas. I keep thinking if only I filled the ice chest up and locked the door. We would have won but no, I focused to much on what i was wearing the last game we won, and what mug i was drinking out of, and that i was opening the beers before the play not during. I could go on but. It was all her fault, The Bringer of Defeat. And trust me she had an earful of my drunkin rant, of how she is all that is evil in the world. And why at that moment and time did she have to come and ask me for a beer? While during the whole game i did not hear a peep.

Am I over reacting?

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[quote=mlmpetert;609024]If you or anyone else organize the website and paypal stuff I promise to donate $20 to it.

Do they have billboads in DC though? I know Fairfax doesnt. Maybe in MD on 495 by the stadium?[/quote]

Im in, especially if right by the stadium.

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[quote=warpaint;609149]Speaking of superstition. I told this girl living with me, not to talk to me during the game and right when the punt at the end of the game was kicked, she walked in to the room i was watching the game in and asked me if i wanted a beer. As she is saying that im watching the game and i see a fair catch being called, and again I hear the vioce of defeat "Do u need a beer" and BAM there goes the game. Im sorry for the loss fellas. I keep thinking if only I filled the ice chest up and locked the door. We would have won but no, I focused to much on what i was wearing the last game we won, and what mug i was drinking out of, and that i was opening the beers before the play not during. I could go on but. It was all her fault, The Bringer of Defeat. And trust me she had an earful of my drunkin rant, of how she is all that is evil in the world. And why at that moment and time did she have to come and ask me for a beer? While during the whole game i did not hear a peep.

[B]Am I over reacting[/B]?[/quote]

Maybe...but just in case.....is there a friends house she can stay at during the game? :)

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[quote=53Fan;609186]Maybe...but just in case.....is there a friends house she can stay at during the game? :)[/quote]

I'm already on it 53, dont worry she wont be around.

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Alright ive talked to some more people, and Billboards are definitely a lot more then I was originally told in the DC area (20-40k). Part of the reason the Bills Fan billboard was pretty cheap was because it was a digital billboard with rotating ads, which there are zero of in the DC area. Plus it was Buffalo.

There are however lots of Metro Bus's. So the cheapest package they have is to put a ad on 10 bus's for 7k plus the cost of signs. I am still waiting on a detailed proposal but it will probably cost about 8-9k. I think there is a good chance of raising that much, and if not at least it was worth a try. One of the first questions she asked me was “are you the guy who called before”. There are a lot of people out there willing to fund this cause. [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]You are not allowed to make personally attacks on these advertisements, So Fire Vinny Cerrato cant be done. Plus from the time the payment is received to when bus's are riding around sporting our sign it will be 2 weeks. Cerrato may be gone by then. But they said they are very pro-free speech, so we can get away with being brash. So does anyone have any good suggestions for the message/ad. It will be for a sign on the side of the bus that is about 13 feet by 2.5 feet. This is the best i could come up with:[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Sell OUR Team Danny Boy [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Any ideas?[/FONT][/COLOR]

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Maybe...

Step one: Fire racquetball boy toy

Step two: Hire competent GM

Step three: Step aside and be patient

Step four: Go back to step three

And perhaps a burgundy background? More text might cost more but just a suggestion.

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[quote=warpaint;609149]Speaking of superstition. I told this girl living with me, not to talk to me during the game and right when the punt at the end of the game was kicked, she walked in to the room i was watching the game in and asked me if i wanted a beer. As she is saying that im watching the game and i see a fair catch being called, and again I hear the vioce of defeat "Do u need a beer" and BAM there goes the game. Im sorry for the loss fellas. I keep thinking if only I filled the ice chest up and locked the door. We would have won but no, I focused to much on what i was wearing the last game we won, and what mug i was drinking out of, and that i was opening the beers before the play not during. I could go on but. It was all her fault, The Bringer of Defeat. And trust me she had an earful of my drunkin rant, of how she is all that is evil in the world. And why at that moment and time did she have to come and ask me for a beer? While during the whole game i did not hear a peep.

Am I over reacting?[/quote]

when a chick offers you a beer you have something good going man

do you deny offers for sex too?

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Not having cash flow is all this man understands. If you don't buy concessions if you go to the game, if you don't buy merchandise, and if you don't go to the games he might get the message. Voting with your wallet is the biggest way to change somone's mind about something.

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[quote=mlmpetert;612194][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Alright ive talked to some more people, and Billboards are definitely a lot more then I was originally told in the DC area (20-40k). Part of the reason the Bills Fan billboard was pretty cheap was because it was a digital billboard with rotating ads, which there are zero of in the DC area. Plus it was Buffalo. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]There are however lots of Metro Bus's. So the cheapest package they have is to put a ad on 10 bus's for 7k plus the cost of signs. I am still waiting on a detailed proposal but it will probably cost about 8-9k. I think there is a good chance of raising that much, and if not at least it was worth a try. One of the first questions she asked me was “are you the guy who called before”. There are a lot of people out there willing to fund this cause. [/COLOR][/FONT]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]You are not allowed to make personally attacks on these advertisements, So Fire Vinny Cerrato cant be done. Plus from the time the payment is received to when bus's are riding around sporting our sign it will be 2 weeks. Cerrato may be gone by then. But they said they are very pro-free speech, so we can get away with being brash. So does anyone have any good suggestions for the message/ad. It will be for a sign on the side of the bus that is about 13 feet by 2.5 feet. This is the best i could come up with:[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Sell OUR Team Danny Boy [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Any ideas?[/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]
"Scalp Vinny"
"Fans are on the Warpath! Fight, For Old D.C.!"
"Hey Danny, it's time for a new Chief!"
"Can't buy yourself a Clue, Danny."
"Doing a heck of a job, Danny" - (W Katrina reference)

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[quote=mlmpetert;612194][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Alright ive talked to some more people, and Billboards are definitely a lot more then I was originally told in the DC area (20-40k). Part of the reason the Bills Fan billboard was pretty cheap was because it was a digital billboard with rotating ads, which there are zero of in the DC area. Plus it was Buffalo.

There are however lots of Metro Bus's. So the cheapest package they have is to put a ad on 10 bus's for 7k plus the cost of signs. I am still waiting on a detailed proposal but it will probably cost about 8-9k. I think there is a good chance of raising that much, and if not at least it was worth a try. One of the first questions she asked me was “are you the guy who called before”. There are a lot of people out there willing to fund this cause. [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]You are not allowed to make personally attacks on these advertisements, So Fire Vinny Cerrato cant be done. Plus from the time the payment is received to when bus's are riding around sporting our sign it will be 2 weeks. Cerrato may be gone by then. But they said they are very pro-free speech, so we can get away with being brash. So does anyone have any good suggestions for the message/ad. It will be for a sign on the side of the bus that is about 13 feet by 2.5 feet. This is the best i could come up with:[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Sell OUR Team Danny Boy [/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Any ideas?[/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

Aren't there more worthy causes out there to be putting this much time, money and effort in to? :doh:

Repeat after me, [I]it's just a game[/I].

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[quote=mlmpetert;612194][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]....Billboards are definitely a lot more then I was originally told in the DC area (20-40k)....[/FONT][/COLOR][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]ad on 10 bus's....8-9k.[/COLOR][/FONT][/quote]
Billboard rental in DC area - $ 20K

Ad on ten Metro buses - $ 9K

Chance of this NOT being a complete waste of time/money - Zero

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Could you imagine though if spending billboards all around DC actually got Snyder's attention and he said "Ok, I'm here to listen. What do you fans want me to do?"

"Fire Vinny!"

"Done. Now what?"

"Hire a real GM"

"Ok. Who?"

"Chris Polian" "No, Eric DeCosta" "No, Bruce Allen" "No, Mike Holmgren" "No, Marty Schottenheimer" "No, Floyd Reese" ...

"Um ok. What about Zorn"

"Fire him too"

"Ok. Who should I hire"

"Jon Gruden (with Bruce Allen)" "No, let the GM pick him" "No, bring in Brian Schottenheimer (with Marty!) "No, we need Holmgren"...

"Uh huh. And Jason Campbell"

"Keep him. It's the line that sucks" "The line isn't the problem. Campbell's got to go." "Trade him" "Cut him now!"

And so on