Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;639573]players like Cooley can be found in the draft in the mid rounds. i really don't see anyone making a trade for him and his salary. he's a good player but he's not a great player.[/quote]

And Tom Bradys and Marques Coltons can be found in the 6th and 7th rounds, so why even bother drafting QBs and WRs before then? We found Chris Horton in the 7th - why would anyone give up more than that for Troy Polamalu? Atleast one TE is drafted in the first round almost every year. Just because you can find a pro-bowl player in the later rounds, doesn't mean its easy or that its even likely to happen. If a team is in dire need of ANY starting position on offense or defense, and there's a [U]young pro-bowler [/U]available, most teams would consider giving up a 1st rounder as opposed to gambling on a draft pick.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

I would trade Landry before I trade Cooley. There's no need to trade Cooley, I would cut ARE and possibly trade Santana Moss at the WR positions and have Thomas, Kelly and Mitchell be the starters while we find another young guy which we might already have on the roster or PS.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;639586]And Tom Bradys and Marques Coltons can be found in the 6th and 7th rounds, so why even bother drafting QBs and WRs before then? We found Chris Horton in the 7th - why would anyone give up more than that for Troy Polamalu? Atleast one TE is drafted in the first round almost every year. Just because you can find a pro-bowl player in the later rounds, doesn't mean its easy or that its even likely to happen. If a team is in dire need of ANY starting position on offense or defense, and there's a [U]young pro-bowler [/U]available, most teams would consider giving up a 1st rounder as opposed to gambling on a draft pick.[/quote]

Well first of all Horton isn't a proven player. Before he got hurt he got benched for poor play. So let's not put him in the same category of success as Brady and Colston. I understand your point but my point was finding a pass catching TE isn't a difficult position to find in the draft. Would you agree with that?

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

Yes, we should do it, that's an awesome deal. I'd miss him, but we gotta get this team straight.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;639592][B]I would trade Landry [/B]before I trade Cooley. There's no need to trade Cooley, I would cut ARE and possibly trade Santana Moss at the WR positions and have Thomas, Kelly and Mitchell be the starters while we find another young guy which we might already have on the roster or PS.[/quote]

I'd say the stock on Landry has taken quite a tumble. The whole league now knows he's susceptible to the double move. I hate to say it but he's looking awfully familiar to Roy Williams.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;639592]I would trade Landry before I trade Cooley. There's no need to trade Cooley, I would cut ARE and possibly trade Santana Moss at the WR positions and have Thomas, Kelly and Mitchell be the starters while we find another young guy which we might already have on the roster or PS.[/quote]

What are you going to get back in a trade for Moss? Nothing. I'd still keep him around cause he's still the best wr on the team. Landry just needs to be coached up. Although he's a punk and can't cover my mother, he still has value. He's probably the best athlete on the team. He has the ability to be a top player, he just needs to learn how to be a pro. He made some real nice plays yesterday but that gets over shadowed cause Oakland exploited him in coverage. Landry's problems can be corrected.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;639614]What are you going to get back in a trade for Moss? Nothing.[/quote]

3rd or 4th rounder, there are teams out there that need a WR, Baltimore comes to mind.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

.....NO. Were just going to trade away one of our best players, simply trade away our Pro Bowler? I got a better idea. The stock for Davis is going up, since he's not a Pro Bowler how about we trade him?

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=skinsfan69;639607]Well first of all Horton isn't a proven player. Before he got hurt he got benched for poor play. So let's not put him in the same category of success as Brady and Colston. I understand your point but my point was finding a pass catching TE isn't a difficult position to find in the draft. Would you agree with that?[/quote]

we're not talking about just a "pass-catching TE." We're talking about a pro-bowl level pass-catching stud of a TE. And not to side-track from the thread too much, Brady is more a product of a system than anything and and Cooley is a MUCH better TE than Colston is a WR. You do not find TE's like Cooley in every draft, and they rarely make it to the 3rd round or later. We really lucked out with Cooley.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

I would trade cooley for a #1 in a second and I would consider trading him for a #2. 1st & 3rd is a pipedream.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

Cooley is one of my favorite Redskins, but I would trade him for a 1st round pick and a 3rd round pick without any hesitation for a few reasons.

First, there are very few, if any, tight ends in the league who are worth a 1st round pick and a 3rd round pick. Tony Gonzalez, perhaps the best tight end in the history of the game, was traded for a 2nd round pick. Granted, Gonzalez is much older than Cooley, but he's also a much better player. Jeremy Shockey, who is younger but not as good as Gonzalez, was traded for a 2nd round pick as well. I just don't think that a guy with so-so blocking skills and who puts up 800 yards per season is worth a 1st round pick and a 3rd round pick.

Second, Fred Davis is developing into a very nice player. I don't think he's as good as Cooley right now, but he's got more athleticism and upside. If Cooley returns to full-time duty next season, I can't see Davis reeling in more than 25 passes for 250 yards. That's a pretty insignificant return on Davis' talent. I think Davis could step into Cooley's shoes and match his production.

Third, Chris Cooley will be 28 next season. Odds are that he will be at the apex of his career. In other words, if Cooley were a stock, he'd be set to reach his "high" next season. What's that old saying about when to buy and sell stocks?

Fourth, we have so many needs at other positions right now. We need extra picks to acquire an offensive tackle, an offensive guard, a center, a quarterbacks, a running back, etc.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=SBXVII;639620].....NO. Were just going to trade away one of our best players, simply trade away our Pro Bowler? I got a better idea. The stock for Davis is going up, since he's not a Pro Bowler how about we trade him?[/quote]
that would be stupid, why don't we trade all of our young players that are making an impact and keep all the older players, don't get me wrong I like Cooley, but at this point we really look better with the team we are fielding right now, they all seem to be on the same page. Why fuck with that because there are a bunch of man crushes on Cooley? Give me Davis all day he's a huge specimen that's only going to get better, we've seen what Chris can do and he's good at it but Davis is still learning and he's our best goal line threat..IMO

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

I am reminded of a statement Shawn Springs made last year during his "exit" interview on ESPN980. I'm paraphasing but he said something very close to this:

[QUOTE]No disrespect to Chris (Cooley), but mark my words - Fred Davis is going to be the best tight end in the league.[/QUOTE]

Kevin and whoever else was interviewing him were laughing and were like, "you've got to be kidding me." But Springs was adamant that he was dead serious. Given equal compensation (and in an uncapped year of course), i'd trade Cooley over Davis and not think twice about it. Now, if there is a cap next year, we simply can't trade Cooley. In that scenario, Davis becomes more trade-able, but if the compensation were only a 2nd rounder, i'd keep them both and find a way to give both of them on the field in the teams "base" offense.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

I'd trade Cooley for a 2nd rounder in a heartbeat, that would be a valuable pick to use on a O lineman. Why would we keep two TE with so many needs cause we can't get a #1 for him, cap or not you keep your best scoring threat Davis, and ship Cooley's ass on the 1st thing smoking.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

Keep both Cooley and Davis to have the best 2 tightend set in football. I just hope after this season when cooley is healthy they don't, "betts" Fred and put him back on the shelf that would be dumb.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

I hope all you people who are chanting for us to trade away Cooley to turn towards youth and pick up picks are also chanting for Rock to be let go for youth (Ganther) with the understanding Portis is done due to his concussion and Betts has a career ending knee injury.

We should trade Rock also for a late round draft pick....I mean it is all about youth right.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

dont you think we have a good amount of vet leaders on our offense? A bit of younger talent cant hurt; I mean we are rebuilding right?

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=celts32;639663]I would trade cooley for a #1 in a second and I would consider trading him for a #2. 1st & 3rd is a pipedream.[/quote]You beat me to the punch. Before even considering trading either Cooley or Davis, why not see what they can do on the field together next year. Our passing attack may well be devastating if we upgrade the O-line.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=SBXVII;639718]I hope all you people who are chanting for us to trade away Cooley to turn towards youth and pick up picks are also chanting for Rock to be let go for youth (Ganther) with the understanding Portis is done due to his concussion and Betts has a career ending knee injury.

We should trade Rock also for a late round draft pick....I mean it is all about youth right.[/quote]

Cooley and Rock are not the same situation.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=SouperMeister;639729]You beat me to the punch. Before even considering trading either Cooley or Davis, why not see what they can do on the field together next year. Our passing attack may well be devastating if we upgrade the O-line.[/quote]

Can you say 2 TE sets with extra blocking, passes will be flying all over.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;639730]Cooley and Rock are not the same situation.[/quote]

And nobody is chanting. Makes me think we've got some sort of monastery here.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=SouperMeister;639729]You beat me to the punch. Before even considering trading either Cooley or Davis, why not see what they can do on the field together next year. Our passing attack may well be devastating if we upgrade the O-line.[/quote]

Full time 2 TE sets with two pass catchers do not work in the NFL. If you have two really good TE's the best thing to do is trade one.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=celts32;639663]I would trade cooley for a #1 in a second and I would consider trading him for a #2. 1st & 3rd is a pipedream.[/quote]make that half a second, and you're exactly right about the 1st & 3rd.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

If we keep Cooley and Davis, I wonder if we will move Davis outside a lot to play a Dallas Clark-type role. He's certainly got the speed to play like a slow wideout.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=SmootSmack;639730]Cooley and Rock are not the same situation.[/quote]

No, but they are both situations where we have younger guys making the case that they may deserve to be higher on the depth chart, thereby making us question whether we need the veterans (rock and cooley) on the roster at all. Cooley would definitely garner noteable compensation. Rock might get us a conditional ham sandwich in 2017.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

To me though, as big a reason for looking to move Cooley as Davis' improved play is Cooley's trade value. Of which Rock has none

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;639757]If we keep Cooley and Davis, I wonder if we will move Davis outside a lot to play a Dallas Clark-type role. He's certainly got the speed to play like a slow wideout.[/quote]

i agree, imagine Davis in the slot... That would be a nightmare match up for a corner.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

I dont think Cooley is going anywhere because of the cap hit. But if there is no cap......

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;639760]No, but they are both situations where we have younger guys making the case that they may deserve to be higher on the depth chart, thereby making us question whether we need the veterans (rock and cooley) on the roster at all. Cooley would definitely garner noteable compensation. Rock might get us a conditional ham sandwich in 2017.[/quote]


A team wouldn't trade us club level tickets for Rock.

Trading Cooley is possibly an option because he is a pro-bowler but I would have to see a pretty attractive 2nd round player to justify getting rid of a stud.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

I would trade Cooley right now for a second round pick. I think he's a great guy and a player. Davis will be just as good or better than Cooley. We don't need to great TE. Right now, we need draft picks. I don't see any other player on this team that's attractive enough for team to trade away a pick to acquire. If someone makes us an offer, I say make the trade.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

nope.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

Davis is getting better and better judging by the way he's been playing in the last 2 or 3 games. But I still wouldn't trade Cooley.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=SFREDSKIN;639592]I would trade Landry before I trade Cooley. There's no need to trade Cooley, I would cut ARE and possibly trade Santana Moss at the WR positions and have Thomas, Kelly and Mitchell be the starters while we find another young guy which we might already have on the roster or PS.[/quote]

I thought we had smart football fans here. The reason we would trade Cooley is for picks. Right now, our team needs to get younger. With the emergence of Davis there is no reason why we shouldn't consider trading Cooley. We don't need to trade Cooley. But, a trade would benefit our team more than keeping Cooley.

I think we should also consider trading Santana Moss. I think he's taking playing time that should be going to our young receivers. I like Thomas, Kelly, and Mitchell at receiver. I think those guys will develop a lot fast if ARE and Moss was no longer on this team.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=JLee9718;639810]Davis is getting better and better judging by the way he's been playing in the last 2 or 3 games. But I still wouldn't trade Cooley.[/quote]
Davis is getting better and better with each passing week. He's younger than Chris Cooley. Do we really need to great TEs, or do we need more picks? We you rather trade Davis who is younger, or go with the older guy? It's not enough balls to go around for both of them. This is a no brainer right here. If someone offers us a 2nd round pick for Cooley we should jump all over it. There are other positions on this team that needs to be address.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=Landry44;639818]Davis is getting better and better with each passing week. He's younger than Chris Cooley. Do we really need to great TEs, or do we need more picks? We you rather trade Davis who is younger, or go with the older guy? It's not enough balls to go around for both of them. This is a no brainer right here. If someone offers us a 2nd round pick for Cooley we should jump all over it. There are other positions on this team that needs to be address.[/quote]

This is a buy low sell high thread. Should we consider trading Cooley, certainly if the offer is right, but a 2nd round pick for a consistent Pro Bowl, and good locker room presence(life coach in fact), is way too low. I would say a low first, or high 2nd, with a conditional 2nd/3rd rd pick the following year. Having said that, it really is kinda foolish to trade because of 4-6 good games by FD. He seems to be a baller, but one season isn't enough to get rid of a high caliber player.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

What would you trade Fred Davis for?

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=Landry44;639818]Davis is getting better and better with each passing week. He's younger than Chris Cooley. Do we really need to great TEs, or do we need more picks? We you rather trade Davis who is younger, or go with the older guy? It's not enough balls to go around for both of them. This is a no brainer right here. If someone offers us a 2nd round pick for Cooley we should jump all over it. There are other positions on this team that needs to be address.[/quote]

I'd trade Landry for a second.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

A TE in his prime for a 2nd round pick? GTFOH!

+1 for closing this stupid thread.

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;639831]This is a buy low sell high thread. Should we consider trading Cooley, certainly if the offer is right, [B]but a 2nd round pick for [/B][B]a consistent Pro Bowl, and good locker room presence[/B]([B][U]life coach in fact[/U][/B]), is way too low. I would say a low first, or high 2nd, with a conditional 2nd/3rd rd pick the following year. Having said that, it really is kinda foolish to trade because of 4-6 good games by FD. He seems to be a baller, but one season isn't enough to get rid of a high caliber player.[/quote]

exactly, and whats with the we need youth crap cooley is a f-ing tightend and he is 27 this is his fifth year in the league besides qb and db tight ends have some long playing careers in the nfl. does everyone want everyplayer on this team to be under the 25? get real.

cooley and davis double set next year will be amazing, and i'd love to see if cooley can put on a little more muscle this offseason and we could use him out of the back field more, so many people keep saying two te sets don't work, why the f not?

Re: Chris Cooley for a 1st and a 3rd -- would you do it?
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;639831]This is a buy low sell high thread. Should we consider trading Cooley, certainly if the offer is right, but a 2nd round pick for a consistent Pro Bowl, and good locker room presence(life coach in fact), is way too low. I would say a low first, or high 2nd, with a conditional 2nd/3rd rd pick the following year. Having said that, it really is kinda foolish to trade because of 4-6 good games by FD. He seems to be a baller, but one season isn't enough to get rid of a high caliber player.[/quote]
Nice post CR. I doubt anbody would give us enough to make the trade worth it for the skins , too many Athletic TE's coming out college . Having both would also provide us with depth . If a team offered a 1st and 3rd , ya I would make that trade .