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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;614045]Took me a while to get in touch with the person who gave me the lead about 9 months ago that Gibbs and the Redskins might just reunite one of these days. According to that "source":


1. This is NOT a done deal.

2. A similar offer was made to Joe Gibbs in the past and he turned it down because of "three sticking points".

3. Two of the "three sticking points" are still there.


I do not know what the "sticking points" were so obviously I don't know which one of them "disappeared".

The "source" says that there have been direct and specific discussions on the idea of Gibbs comng back to the Redskins - - NOT as head coach - - within the past 10 days.[/quote]

Tip of the hat to you Mudge, you absolutely called it. Getting a little update on my end

Definitely not a done deal

Cerrato won't be part of this

Would prefer to stay based in North Carolina, it appears it would be more...wait for it...consultant based with the title of President than anything else. Bring in the GM and HC and then move aside on a day to day basis.

My ongoing joke about Doug Williams apparently might not be so far off as well according to these reports

Again, to reiterate nothing is imminent. Personally, I think nothing will happen. They'll talk but at the end of the day I say Gibbs stays where he is.

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^Tip of the hat to you Smoot and Mudge, My sources are saying the exact similar thing. Not a done deal as of yet. Anything could happen. :)

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oops posted a thread about this too :spank: I was a little too excited when I saw Gibbs would come back I just posted and didn't search :smashfrea but nice to know it just might be true

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I haven't seen the link I put in the thread I started but here it is if you haven't seen it if you have feel free to say "learn to search dumbass" (not like I need to give permission to most :))
[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/22/source-close-to-gibbs-doubts-he-would-return-to-redskins/]Source close to Gibbs doubts he would return to Redskins | ProFootballTalk.com[/url]

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;614045]Took me a while to get in touch with the person who gave me the lead about 9 months ago that Gibbs and the Redskins might just reunite one of these days. According to that "source":


1. This is NOT a done deal.

2. A similar offer was made to Joe Gibbs in the past and he turned it down because of "three sticking points".

3. Two of the "three sticking points" are still there.


I do not know what the "sticking points" were so obviously I don't know which one of them "disappeared".

The "source" says that there have been direct and specific discussions on the idea of Gibbs comng back to the Redskins - - NOT as head coach - - within the past 10 days.[/quote]

Was Gregg Williams perhaps the 3rd sticking point or maybe AL Saunders? I am going to take a stab at it and say that Clinton Portis and Vinny Cerrato are the other 2.

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SC and Smootsmack:

Thank you both for your inside info!:-)

Well, one thing is for sure. Something is going to happen. I kind of sort of doubt Joe Gibbs is going to come back in any capacity, but I would certainly welcome it over the way things are going now.

Interesting tidbit about Doug Williams! Has his name actually been knocked around?

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;614045]Took me a while to get in touch with the person who gave me the lead about 9 months ago that Gibbs and the Redskins might just reunite one of these days. According to that "source":


1. This is NOT a done deal.

2. A similar offer was made to Joe Gibbs in the past and he turned it down because of "three sticking points".

3. Two of the "three sticking points" are still there.


I do not know what the "sticking points" were so obviously I don't know which one of them "disappeared".

The "source" says that there have been direct and specific discussions on the idea of Gibbs comng back to the Redskins - - NOT as head coach - - within the past 10 days.[/quote]

When you find out what the other two sticking points are let me know. I'll take care of it. :pimp:

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I'm going to guess the "sticking points" aren't necessarily people.

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[quote=Angry;614081]Was Gregg Williams perhaps the 3rd sticking point or maybe AL Saunders? I am going to take a stab at it and say that Clinton Portis and Vinny Cerrato are the other 2.[/quote]


Gibbs brought Portis in.

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Let see (if we're guessing):

Sticking point 1: I get to stay in NC. Was a problem, now not as Danny desparate.

Sticking point 2: Vinny goes - Danny has an unnatural attachment to VC, still a problem.

Sticking point 3: Not a full time job - Danny wants his full attention. Stilll a problem as DS probably willing to say "work from your home, feel free to do other things but make the Redskins your primary focus" to which JG responds "no - if I make them my primary focus it will consume me. If it's my full time job, I will be unhappy not being in DC to control things and I am staying here with my family."

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After hearing SS and SC's comments, I am more encouraged. I am betting that, as Matty said, the sticking points are not money or people oriented but committment/ lifestyle issues for Gibbs.

Given that DS and JG had such an amiable relationship previously, I wonder if "control" issues have anything to do with it at all (i.e. - "Danny, you're going to have to back off" "No way Joe, it's still my team"). I bet it all boils down to DS finding a way to get Gibbs to run the team w/out Gibbs being consumed by it again.

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Gibbs would be great in a CEO role without the additional burden of coaching. That is essentially his role in Gibbs Racing, and he has put together a fantastic team there. I wonder whether Snyder is offering Gibbs part ownership to make this happen? This is the best rumor in an otherwise dark season.

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[quote=SmootSmack;614050]Tip of the hat to you Mudge, you absolutely called it. Getting a little update on my end

Definitely not a done deal

Cerrato won't be part of this

Would prefer to stay based in North Carolina, it appears it would be more...wait for it...consultant based with the title of President than anything else. Bring in the GM and HC and then move aside on a day to day basis.

My ongoing joke about Doug Williams apparently might not be so far off as well according to these reports

Again, to reiterate nothing is imminent. Personally, I think nothing will happen. They'll talk but at the end of the day I say Gibbs stays where he is.[/quote]

Thanks for the info Smoot. Can you elaborate a little more regarding what your sources said about Cerrato and Doug Williams.

I ithink your comment about cerrato could be interpretted a few ways:
- Cerrato will not be part of this organization in 2010, no matter what
- Cerrato will not be part of a Gibbs-run team
- Cerrato was not one of the sticking points (meaning he will be part of the team)

Also, please, please, please tell me that Gibbs wouldn't bring in Doug Williams as a GM. What on earth would make him any more qualified than Vinny to run this team?

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[quote=mredskins;614092]Gibbs brought Portis in.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I know this he brought in Williams too, but you cannot argue the amount of headaches he caused.[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Besides this is just a theory I'm not saying it's 100%, but it is possible. I am more inclined to agree with Matty that not all of the sticking points may be related to personnel. I just would be able to fathom the ones that are not related to people because I wasn't in his position. To this day, nobody really understands what the structure exactly was when he was here. Without knowing that it is difficult to determine what peeved him. Going with what I sort of know, Portis was in his office an awful lot for different “semi- disciplinary” reasons.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;614094]Let see (if we're guessing):

Sticking point 1: I get to stay in NC. Was a problem, now not as Danny desparate.

Sticking point 2: Vinny goes - Danny has an unnatural attachment to VC, still a problem.

Sticking point 3: Not a full time job - Danny wants his full attention. Stilll a problem as DS probably willing to say "work from your home, feel free to do other things but make the Redskins your primary focus" to which JG responds "no - if I make them my primary focus it will consume me. If it's my full time job, I will be unhappy not being in DC to control things and I am staying here with my family."[/quote]

All plausible. Good thinking.

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It was kind of vague really. I don't think Cerrato will be part of any scenario from a football related decision making process, Gibbs or no Gibbs.

As for Doug Williams. Yes, he was mentioned as a possible GM. I don't know that he's quite ready for that yet. But he has worked his way up the ladder with the Bucs front office and his name carries a lot of weight with NFL players, which could go a long way.

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Is Doug Williams the next James Harris? We could do worse.

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Hey speaking of Gibbs and Williams, did y'all see where Clint Didier is running for the Senate in Washington state? bit.ly/v98pM

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Doug, black, brown, green, yellow, you're our General Manager.

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i say:
[I]owner[/I]-dan snyder ([U]UN[/U]-involved in football operations)
[I]president[/I]-joe gibbs
[I]gm[/I]-charley casserly
[I]headcoach[/I]-to be determined (by gibbs and casserly)

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MARK BRUNELL! enough said. our glory years are past and we need to look to the future.

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[quote=SkinFanatic;613884]I've been a longtime reader of the forums here and just today joined because I couldn't hold my tongue any longer.

I've been a fan since the 60s and have seen some horrible teams, but this season takes the cake. The Snyder/Cerrato admin is a total joke, not just in Washington but across the league.

To respond to this thread, I would say that this would be a positive step. Gibbs may be the only person that the Danny would take a backseat to, just out of pure reverence. But all the talk and speculation about who our new coach should be is a waste of time. We should be speculating on who our new GM will be. Personally, I would like to see Bobby Beathard come back, but I think DS dissed him in some way when he first bought the team. The new GM will be the one to make the coaching, scouting, personnel and team admin decisions (as it should be). Gibbs wouldn't take that role, but he MAY be able to get DS to hire the right guy and to get his nose the hell OUT of football operations completely.

Mr. Snyder, if this gets to you at all, Please do the right thing and stick to what your good at. Market the Redskins! Let those you delegate to actually run the football ops do what their good at...and don't ever let the two ends of the spectrum cross again.[/quote]
Welcome to thewarpath man!

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[quote=sandtrapjack;613955]This would be a good move for Snyder. Although a little wary, if Snyder has been consulting with Gibbs already, where has that taken us thus far?[/quote]
us? haha

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[quote=12thMan;613957]

The big question would always be, who's in charge? With every win and every lost, who's in charge? People would always attempt to connect the dots leading back to Gibbs. [/quote]
Kinda like now.. you never know to believe if it was a coach's call.. from vinny or danny.. or both, how the other felt about it.. too much drama

I think that Gibbs would take a step back and just help build though, I can't see him in day to day

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[quote=irish;613974]I think Gibbs has a network in NASCAR that allows him to know who to pick and who's up & coming. I dont think JG is plugged in to the NFL to know who the hot young talent is.[/quote]
Yeah I don't know that he has those connections outside of our organization.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;614094]Let see (if we're guessing):

Sticking point 1: I get to stay in NC. Was a problem, now not as Danny desparate.

Sticking point 2: Vinny goes - Danny has an unnatural attachment to VC, still a problem.

Sticking point 3: Not a full time job - Danny wants his full attention. Stilll a problem as DS probably willing to say "work from your home, feel free to do other things but make the Redskins your primary focus" to which JG responds "no - if I make them my primary focus it will consume me. If it's my full time job, I will be unhappy not being in DC to control things and I am staying here with my family."[/quote]
Sticking point 4: body thetans that might enter him when Tom Cruise comes around

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If this is true it will be the greatest thing for the franchise. I don't want Coach for GM though. Half his drafts/FA signings were whack as President/Coach, so I hope he does indeed hire a new GM.

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[quote=tryfuhl;614204]Yeah I don't know that he has those connections outside of our organization.[/quote]

He's got plenty of connections. More importantly he knows people that have connections. Basically, if you have connections inside one organization you have connections with others within the NFL as well.

Either way, the more I hear the more it seems this could really happen but it's not going to be like Parcells necessarily. Gibbs would be like Magic Johnson with the Lakers, have a big time title and be the owner's consigliere if you will. But he would bring in the GM and let that GM run things

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[quote=SmootSmack;614234]He's got plenty of connections. More importantly he knows people that have connections. Basically, if you have connections inside one organization you have connections with others within the NFL as well.

Either way, the more I hear the more it seems this could really happen but it's not going to be like Parcells necessarily. Gibbs would be like Magic Johnson with the Lakers, have a big time title and be the owner's consigliere if you will. [B]But he would bring in the GM and let that GM run things[/B][/quote]

I will heart the day that the most legendary figure in franchise history fires one of the worst figures in franchise history.

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SS, is there a time frame on this? Is it something that would wait to the end of the season? Even if it does happen, what effect if any would it have on this season?

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[quote=JoeRedskin;614238]SS, is there a time frame on this? Is it something that would wait to the end of the season? Even if it does happen, what effect if any would it have on this season?[/quote]

No idea on a time frame. Doubt anything happens before January

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SportsCurmudgeon is the guy with the info, he broke this

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[quote=SmootSmack;614234]He's got plenty of connections. More importantly he knows people that have connections. Basically, if you have connections inside one organization you have connections with others within the NFL as well.

Either way, the more I hear the more it seems this could really happen but it's not going to be like Parcells necessarily. [B]Gibbs would be like Magic Johnson with the Lakers, have a big time title and be the owner's consigliere if you will. But he would bring in the GM and let that GM run things[/B][/quote]

I'd go for that.

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SmootSmack - - et. al:

Here is what I [B]KNOW[/B] at the moment:

1. The "sticking point" that disappeared is somehow related to Gibbs' demands relative to the time he wopuld have to spend with his family - - particularly his grandchild who is suffering from leukemia. I do NOT know any details. All I know is that Joe Gibbs is at a place in his life where he is NOT going to work 100 hours a week at any job - - as he did as coach of the Redskins - - because it conflicts with family "stuff" that is more important to him now than football is important to him.

2. From the Skins' side of the table, they want this to happen yesterday; meanwhile, Gibbs is not highly motivated to step into the middle of a season that is circling the drain because he knows that he will be viewed by the media and the fans as a "savior" and he knows that saving the 2009 season is a long, long shot at best.


Here is what I [B]SURMISE/SUSPECT[/B]:


1. There is [B]BIG TIME[/B] money attached to this employment offer. There is so much money attached that anyone would be a fool to kick it to the curb without giving it careful consideration.

2. Danny Boy is getting close to "desperate". He sees/hears/reads about fan disaffection and it is starting to get through to him that the majority of folks think now that [B]HE[/B] is the bad guy in all of this. The "buffer-zone" of yes-men and ass-kissers around him can no longer keep out the reality of the dislike that exists for him outside the organization. Even a couple of the "iconic true-blue Redskins" of previous years have started to distance themselves from him. I have another "source" who tells me that ONE of the Redskins' heroes of the 80s will not return Danny Boy's calls anymore. Obviously, I don't [B]KNOW[/B] if that is true, but just think about that [B]possibility[/B] for a moment. And think of what that means to Danny Boy in terms of his image and stature in the public eye and in the league if that "iconic true-Redskin" ever went public with bad info on Danny Boy...

3. I [B]SUSPECT[/B] that Gibbs - - having lived through the Redskins' managment structure of the last couple of years and found it wanting - - will [B]DEMAND[/B] in writing certain changes about how things get done and who makes the decisions about what needs to get done. My [B]GUESS[/B] is that this is a "sticking point".


Finally, Doug Williams may be a great GM-in waiting - - or he could be the African-American version of Matt Millen. I have no idea where he falls on that spectrum. But if the Skins elevate him to that post, he damned well better be VERY good...

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If he were to get the job, I hope that they get rid of Cerrato. I do not want to hear that any personnel decisions were "a Redskins decision". He would probably do well, but who knows? I thought we would have done better when he was coaching than just being the 6th seed every other year.

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Say what you want about Gibbs. It was he who decided to draft Sean Taylor when the entire world was telling him to draft Winslow. The only questionable pick was Jason Campbell. Also, he did a great job drafting Cooley in the second round too. I'm sure these points have been raised already. But I didn't read all 11 pages, so excuse the redundancy.

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[quote=Angry;613881]I know, I wasn't thrilled with his talent evaluating either. His love for small recievers kills me too. If it is true I hope that he can get past the "Smurfs" among other things.[/quote]

His only bad small picks were Desmond Howard and Randel El. Gary Clark, Charlie Brown, Ricky Sanders, and Santana Moss were brilliant acquisitions - wouldn't you agree?

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;614250]SmootSmack - - et. al:

Here is what I [B]KNOW[/B] at the moment:

1. The "sticking point" that disappeared is somehow related to Gibbs' demands relative to the time he wopuld have to spend with his family - - particularly his grandchild who is suffering from leukemia. I do NOT know any details. All I know is that Joe Gibbs is at a place in his life where he is NOT going to work 100 hours a week at any job - - as he did as coach of the Redskins - - because it conflicts with family "stuff" that is more important to him now than football is important to him.[/quote]

Heard basically the same thing, not that it disappeared but that family time is a crucial factor.

[quote]2. From the Skins' side of the table, they want this to happen yesterday; meanwhile, Gibbs is not highly motivated to step into the middle of a season that is circling the drain because he knows that he will be viewed by the media and the fans as a "savior" and he knows that saving the 2009 season is a long, long shot at best.[/quote]

Didn't realize it was that soon


Here is what I [B]SURMISE/SUSPECT[/B]:


[quote]1. There is [B]BIG TIME[/B] money attached to this employment offer. There is so much money attached that anyone would be a fool to kick it to the curb without giving it careful consideration.[/quote]

Part ownership as well I believe

[quote]2. Danny Boy is getting close to "desperate". He sees/hears/reads about fan disaffection and it is starting to get through to him that the majority of folks think now that [B]HE[/B] is the bad guy in all of this. The "buffer-zone" of yes-men and ass-kissers around him can no longer keep out the reality of the dislike that exists for him outside the organization. Even a couple of the "iconic true-blue Redskins" of previous years have started to distance themselves from him. I have another "source" who tells me that ONE of the Redskins' heroes of the 80s will not return Danny Boy's calls anymore. Obviously, I don't [B]KNOW[/B] if that is true, but just think about that [B]possibility[/B] for a moment. And think of what that means to Danny Boy in terms of his image and stature in the public eye and in the league if that "iconic true-Redskin" ever went public with bad info on Danny Boy...[/quote]

Gotta assume it's Riggins

[quote]Finally, Doug Williams may be a great GM-in waiting - - or he could be the African-American version of Matt Millen. I have no idea where he falls on that spectrum. But if the Skins elevate him to that post, he damned well better be VERY good...[/quote]

Difference is Millen never worked his way through the front office. He was just handed the CEO role with Detroit with no prior experience

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Isn't it just like the Redskins to build all this drama for the off-season again..LOL! I remember us back in the summer waiting impatiently for the season to start, and now almost halfway through, we're impatiently waiting for the off-season party to begin! Maybe Dan Snyder should open a new lottery website where people can place bets on who the mystery "savior" will be next year and the winner wins season tickets or something (not sure who would be coming out ahead in that!)

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Personally I don't believe Gibbs will come back. Maybe they'll make him a part-owner or something. But, I think at the end of the day Gibbs will realize (or someone will make him realize) that he's got too much on his plate and he's not the type to "half-ass" anything