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[quote=TheSmurfs22;617263]Bring back schrader!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]


Ha ha ha. Leadership is overrated! Jeff George!!!

Man he threw a nice ball...

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[quote=SmootSmack;617769]So Clausen or bust as far as college QBs for you?

(Watching Tim Tebow's game from last weekend now)[/quote]I don't like McCoy, or Tebow (system guys that don't translate well to NFL IMO). That shoulder of Bradford's has me concerned. I think Clausen could be a franchise type QB, he has the tools, good coaching, plus he seems to have the "it" factor as well. I don't see anyone else coming out that fits the franchise QB mold. I'm not saying we might not find a diamond in the rough later in the draft, but if Clausen is there we should take him and spend the second rounder on OL.

I watched the DVR of the first half of the Eagles last night. First impressions of the first half are that the talent of the OL isn't as much of a problem as the communication and blitz pick-ups. The RBs are at fault too for not picking up free A-gap blitzing LBs. I really think this line shuffling has a lot to do with the problems up front.

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[quote=tryfuhl;617775]Moss was a bit open there too.. and he was past his break

I know that you can't come up with video of every time he actually has, but it'd still be the exception[/quote]

I'm more impressed with ARE jumping over Moss after the TD.

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[quote=SmootSmack;617760]I'm not sure which two guys you were talking about though

And how does Colt remind you of Shuler?

I'm watching Colt's game from last weekend right now, just watched Snead earlier today. I like Colt's presence more, but Snead has the better arm in my opinion[/quote]

John David Booty and T. Jackson.

McCoy is a very good college player with lot's of mobility with an average arm. Plus he doesn't play in a conventional NFL offense....just like Heath. IMO he's not going to be able to get under center and make NFL throws week after week, thread the needle in traffic. He's got the mobility, like Heath had but he just doesn't have the NFL pocket game IMO.

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If we go with a college QB, Albert and Fletcher will be gone by the time we are competitive

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;617817]If we go with a college QB, Albert and Fletcher will be gone by the time we are competitive[/quote]

We don't know that for sure, look at Matt Ryan and flacco last yr... Even sanchez is doing decent this yr.. Honestly until zorn and vc are gone it really doesn't matter

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;617811]I don't like McCoy, or Tebow (system guys that don't translate well to NFL IMO). That shoulder of Bradford's has me concerned. I think Clausen could be a franchise type QB, he has the tools, good coaching, plus he seems to have the "it" factor as well. I don't see anyone else coming out that fits the franchise QB mold. I'm not saying we might not find a diamond in the rough later in the draft, but if Clausen is there we should take him and spend the second rounder on OL.

I watched the DVR of the first half of the Eagles last night. First impressions of the first half are that the talent of the OL isn't as much of a problem as the communication and blitz pick-ups. The RBs are at fault too for not picking up free A-gap blitzing LBs. I really think this line shuffling has a lot to do with the problems up front.[/quote]

I definitely agree on Clausen. I actually prefer McCoy to Tebow overall, but when I see Colt I don't see him as all that much a better option than Chase Daniel quite frankly. I think Zac Robinson and Jevan Snead, two guys I've mentioned in the past, could be good fits in the right situation. Not sure that situation is here though. I'd be happy with either one of them though

Clausen, even though he kind of reminds me of that dude in Remember the Titans ([url]http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2000_Remember_the_Titans/kip_pardue_remember_the_titans_002.jpg[/url]) strikes me as a franchise guy.

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I don't know much about Robinson, but i'm really not impressed with the QBs in next years draft. They all seem like guys who have alot of potential, but who are not really "NFL-ready." A lot can change between now and April, but there may not be a QB worth taking as high as we'll be drafting.

At this point, we're going to be rebuilding for 2-3 years so we'd be better off trading down and accumulating depth accross our roster instead of adding one spashly player at the top of the first round. From what I read, next years draft is pretty deep overall. I say we take advantage of it and accumulate as many picks in rounds 2-4 as possible.

The problem with this team is there is such a huge, dramatic drop-off between the talent level of our starters and our backups. We need start narrowing that gap.

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[quote=SmootSmack;617822]I definitely agree on Clausen. I actually prefer McCoy to Tebow overall, but when I see Colt I don't see him as all that much a better option than Chase Daniel quite frankly. I think Zac Robinson and Jevan Snead, two guys I've mentioned in the past, could be good fits in the right situation. Not sure that situation is here though. I'd be happy with either one of them though

Clausen, even though he kind of reminds me of that dude in Remember the Titans ([URL]http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2000_Remember_the_Titans/kip_pardue_remember_the_titans_002.jpg[/URL]) strikes me as a franchise guy.[/quote]

I agree about Clausen and the "it" factor. It's hard to turn down a franchise QB. There's always risk but the rewards are undeniable. Think Peyton Manning. I also thought that Brady Quinn had "it" so my judgement isn't always the best.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;617811]I don't like McCoy, or Tebow (system guys that don't translate well to NFL IMO). That shoulder of Bradford's has me concerned. I think Clausen could be a franchise type QB, he has the tools, good coaching, plus he seems to have the "it" factor as well. I don't see anyone else coming out that fits the franchise QB mold. I'm not saying we might not find a diamond in the rough later in the draft, but if Clausen is there we should take him and spend the second rounder on OL.

I watched the DVR of the first half of the Eagles last night. First impressions of the first half are that the talent of the OL isn't as much of a problem as the communication and blitz pick-ups. The RBs are at fault too for not picking up free A-gap blitzing LBs. I really think this line shuffling has a lot to do with the problems up front.[/quote]You and I both see Clausen every week, and my conclusion is that if he returns to ND for another year, and refines his sense of the pocket, continues to develop as a passer (evidenced by completion percentage), he will be a franchise-type prospect for someone. If he comes out this year, well, he's more or less a more accurate version of Matt Stafford, which means he'll be heavily reliant on the situation he's taken into. Which means he would fail here.

He also might have height issues, at roughly six feet out there. Though, truth of the matter is, if he hasn't run into issues in college with his height, he'll probably do just fine in the pros.

The backs have been terrible at pass pro going back to last year. Portis makes it seem a lot better than it really is because the only time you ever really notice the backs is when Portis is sticking someone at the line, but our poor protection has never just been about the front five.

This front five, though, is particularly poor. And it's not for lack of talent. Well, maybe in Will Montgomery's case. But my general opinion is that it's a communication issue in the interior line (which includes the back pickups), and a talent issue on the outside with one on ones with our tackles and their ends.

Not that our tackles are notably terrible players (they are below average), but their ends are just on a different level of accomplishment.

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[quote=tryfuhl;617494]Jackson did some some good stuff earlier in the year.. last year he was what we think of JaMarcus this year[/quote]

Not true at all actually.

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In the NFL Tebow isn't faster than anyone on the field and those Gator gimmicks won't work in the pro either. I feel Bradford is more NFL ready than Tebow. If there was a chance of us drafting him I would jump all over it.

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[quote=GTripp0012;617831]You and I both see Clausen every week, and my conclusion is that if he returns to ND for another year, and refines his sense of the pocket, continues to develop as a passer (evidenced by completion percentage), he will be a franchise-type prospect for someone. If he comes out this year, well, he's more or less a more accurate version of Matt Stafford, which means he'll be heavily reliant on the situation he's taken into. Which means he would fail here.[/quote]He would fail here under the current circumstances, but we need to see who the GM and coach will be going forward. If they're solid and committed to building a good OL in front of Clausen he'll be fine. Peyton and Troy Aikman come to mind as QBs who had to struggle through their rookie season but turned out OK

[quote]He also might have height issues, at roughly six feet out there. Though, truth of the matter is, if he hasn't run into issues in college with his height, he'll probably do just fine in the pros.[/quote]I haven't noticed him looking small compared to the other players out there. Everything I've seen has him listed at 6'3", maybe they're giving him an inch or two (but it's not like Chase Daniels was 6' either LOL).

[quote]This front five, though, is particularly poor. And it's not for lack of talent. Well, maybe in Will Montgomery's case. But my general opinion is that it's a communication issue in the interior line (which includes the back pickups), and a talent issue on the outside with one on ones with our tackles and their ends.[/quote]We see this one the same. I know I've said it 1000 times, the line shuffle killed us. Heyer would be fine at RT. He's quick enough over there against most LDEs, if someone throws a Tuck or Peppers he may get beat once in a while, but he's solid over there. If Rinehart isn't hurt (which I don't think he is) IDK what the coaches saw to bench him for Monty. MW can play G, his quickness and footwork are too poor for even RT.

What is baffling to me is that it doesn't look like the Skins have a blitz pick-up session at all during the week. At the last HS I was at we had 15-20 min, at least twice per week, during game weeks of blitz pick-ups with the OL and RBs. We would look at film of the upcoming team and run their blitzes to make sure we picked them up. It sure doesn't look like the Skins are doing this, or if they are someone ain't paying attention.

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[quote=SmootSmack;617822]I definitely agree on Clausen. I actually prefer McCoy to Tebow overall, but when I see Colt I don't see him as all that much a better option than Chase Daniel quite frankly. I think Zac Robinson and Jevan Snead, two guys I've mentioned in the past, could be good fits in the right situation. Not sure that situation is here though. I'd be happy with either one of them though

Clausen, even though he kind of reminds me of that dude in Remember the Titans ([URL]http://images.allmoviephoto.com/2000_Remember_the_Titans/kip_pardue_remember_the_titans_002.jpg[/URL]) strikes me as a franchise guy.[/quote]Hopefully I'll get to watch some of Robinson on Sat. Snead has struggled a bit this year. Mallet from Ark may come out this year, pretty raw, but very big and a cannon arm.

The picture didn't come up but I know who you mean.....Clausen = Sunshine LOL

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;617855]Hopefully I'll get to watch some of Robinson on Sat. Snead has struggled a bit this year. Mallet from Ark may come out this year, pretty raw, but very big and a cannon arm.

The picture didn't come up but I know who you mean.....Clausen = Sunshine LOL[/quote]

Snead definitely hasn't had a strong year at all, and a lot of that is due to poor line play...which some would argue could be a problem for him here. I think his struggles have been a fluke but who knows.

Robinson has been solid

I sent you a PM by the way

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this years joe flacco is tony pike out of cincy he is injured right now but he will be a great nfl qb

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[quote=mlmdub130;617865]this years joe flacco is tony pike out of cincy he is injured right now but he will be a great nfl qb[/quote]

With the game Collaro had the other day, I'm starting to think the real star out of Cincy might just be Brian Kelley...Brian Kelley should be our next head coach!

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[quote=SmootSmack;617871]With the game Collaro had the other day, I'm starting to think the real star out of Cincy might just be Brian Kelley...Brian Kelley should be our next head coach![/quote]

I'm down with that he is a winner no if and's or but's

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[quote=skinsfan69;617815]John David Booty and T. Jackson.

McCoy is a very good college player with lot's of mobility with an average arm. Plus he doesn't play in a conventional NFL offense....just like Heath. IMO he's not going to be able to get under center and make NFL throws week after week, thread the needle in traffic. He's got the mobility, like Heath had but he just doesn't have the NFL pocket game IMO.[/quote]

Booty signed with the Titans today...practice squad

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[quote]At this point, we're going to be rebuilding for 2-3 years so we'd be better off trading down and accumulating depth accross our roster instead of adding one spashly player at the top of the first round. From what I read, next years draft is pretty deep overall. I say we take advantage of it and accumulate as many picks in rounds 2-4 as possible.[/quote]

In theory I agree with you. However, I seriously doubt we'll find a team willing to trade into the top 5 for our pick. The amount you have to give up and the price you have to pay for the player prohibits anything about 12ish being very trade able.

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[quote=saden1;617838]In the NFL Tebow isn't faster than anyone on the field and those Gator gimmicks won't work in the pro either. I feel Bradford is more NFL ready than Tebow. If there was a chance of us drafting him I would jump all over it.[/quote]

Being in Seattle, I figured you would have mentioned Jake Locker. I'd take him before any of the names coming out this year.

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Bradford has a suspect shoulder now though. IF Stoops rushes the kid back in to save a BCS bid and he gets racked against say Nebraska it could be career over before it starts. Hell A&M beat the hell out of Tech last weekend, so now you have another team to worry about there possibly. I still say draft a guy under the radar. Those guys have a better shot at being something in the NFL if recent draft history matters. I have said this in previous threads. Both Tebow and Bradford play on superteams with really only maybe 2-3 teams on the schedule that have a chance to compete with them. When they come to the NFL the teams are pretty much evenly gunned, with the exception of the bottom feeders. You put those guys on a crummy team, they will fold. Can't really lose when your team is averaging over 300 yards rushing. You must have one helluva line. Bradford plays in a conference not really known for defense, so what is going to happen when he comes to a level of play where D is all important to winning and evenly matched in terms of speed with the offenses?

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^ he's not coming back this yr

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[quote=SmootSmack;617682]His age doesn't concern you? Shouldn't we go younger than that?[/quote]

Why would his age concern me in terms of bringing in a veteran? He's only 32.
The way I see it, we have 4 choices, and the 4th option is piss poor.
1- Let Colt have his day.
2- Draft a top notch rookie qb.
3- Sign a veteran qb in a bad situation.
4- Let Campbell stay.

I like the idea of letting Colt have a shot, but even if we do that, we need to draft a talented rookie to back him up. My previous post speaks to my like of Colt and getting Bradford or Tebow. I like Bulger because he is someone with top notch talent and a piss poor team...worse than ours. If anyone needs a change of scenary, it's Bulger. Bulger would be my 3rd option behind Colt and a rookie QB. Who knows, we might be able to trade Campbell for Bulger straight up. Although, no one is really high on Campbell's ability. Both Steve Young and Jaws completely BLASTED Campbell's ability, and I have not heard a single knowledgable NFL ex player or GM, or coach that speaks highly of Campbell.

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[quote=30gut;617718]It fitting that you choose the word poison because drafting a QB with an early round draft pick is a mistake in my opinion.

We need our top picks for OL.

But i'll stick with your OP though....

If the Skins [I]must [/I] draft a QB i would hope that Tebow/McCoy falls into the 2-3rd rounds.[/quote]

I absolutely agree we need OL help. If we can get Tebow / McCoy in the 2nd or 3rd rounds, I'd go for that. Bradford might actually drop that far too considering his injury. We'll have to wait and see on Bradford.
Make no mistake though, we WILL be getting a new qb. Whether it will be a veteran or rookie is yet to be seen. But do you really think Collins will stick around? The odds of us drafting a QB is pretty good.

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[quote=SmootSmack;617733]It probably makes more sense to go OL first round and then maybe QB in the second (especially with the depth there in this year's draft). And then OL again in the mid to late rounds.

But I don't see it as a total tragedy if we draft a QB first and then go OL in the 2nd[/quote]

I absolutely agree with you...it's just a matter of what is available and what could be had as a bargain.

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[quote=mlmdub130;617865]this years joe flacco is tony pike out of cincy he is injured right now but he will be a great nfl qb[/quote]

I watched 1 game, and I was certainly impressed, but I can't comment further if he's just another rick mirer, or ryan leaf at this point.

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I know this might be dumb...but what if we pulled a Ditka and gave away all our draft picks for someone like Peyton Manning? Would they even do it? Before you say no to the idea, keep in mind we will likely have an uncapped year and won't need the picks since we can go buck wild on free agents, our FO specialty. Bring Peyton in and let him pick which WR's he wants to work with. Of course this is a pipe dream, but do you think that would even be possible? Would you even do it?
(for the record, for the best QB of all time, I'd do it. Peyton is the best ever, or damn close to best ever.)

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[quote=skinsfan69;617809]analyze the whole body of work. not the best play of his career.[/quote]

Thank you so much dude!! JC has sucked for the most part of his career and I doubt he will ever start in this league again unless it's Cleveland or something. We just need a new beginning and it's time for JC to go.

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[quote=jsarno;617947]I know this might be dumb...but what if we pulled a Ditka and gave away all our draft picks for someone like Peyton Manning? Would they even do it? Before you say no to the idea, keep in mind we will likely have an uncapped year and won't need the picks since we can go buck wild on free agents, our FO specialty. Bring Peyton in and let him pick which WR's he wants to work with. Of course this is a pipe dream, but do you think that would even be possible? Would you even do it?
(for the record, for the best QB of all time, I'd do it. Peyton is the best ever, or damn close to best ever.)[/quote]


Jay, Peyton would get destroyed with our line in its present form. Samuels is probably going to retire also, maybe followed by Thomas. We also don't have the organization, or the top talent he has in Indy. He would give us a few more wins, but not a Lombardi trophy.

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[quote=jsarno;617947]I know this might be dumb...but what if we pulled a Ditka and gave away all our draft picks for someone like Peyton Manning? Would they even do it? Before you say no to the idea, keep in mind we will likely have an uncapped year and won't need the picks since we can go buck wild on free agents, our FO specialty. Bring Peyton in and let him pick which WR's he wants to work with. Of course this is a pipe dream, but do you think that would even be possible? Would you even do it?
(for the record, for the best QB of all time, I'd do it. Peyton is the best ever, or damn close to best ever.)[/quote]

May I ask if you are High???????? LOL No way Indy would let Peyton go, plus we can't trade an entire draft for a 34 yr old QB.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;617957]Thank you so much dude!! JC has sucked for the most part of his career and I doubt he will ever start in this league again unless it's Cleveland or something. We just need a new beginning and it's time for JC to go.[/quote]

I agree and disagree at the same time. JC is not starter caliber, but we will need him in an emergency role. Collins will probably retire after this season or will be shown the door. You do need a vet to back you up if the rook or newbie struggles.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;617957]Thank you so much dude!! JC has sucked for the most part of his career and I doubt he will ever start in this league again unless it's Cleveland or something. We just need a new beginning and it's time for JC to go.[/quote]

AMEN! He hides his ineptitude in decent looking stats. We all blame his lack of time in the pocket, but fact is, he isn't ALWAYS on his ass. He has been sacked more this year than in previous years (20 times in 7 games), but that's just under 3 times a game. Some of which were his fault. He needs to be decisive and when you have a 3 step drop, let the ball fly. Don't overthrow wide open receivers downfield either! Sure he hasn't had all day to pick apart defenses, but even if he did, we'd only see slightly better stats from him. He's at his very best right now, and will never get better. He'll make a decent backup for someone else some day...but a back up is the best he will be.

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[quote=jsarno;617961]AMEN! He hides his ineptitude in decent looking stats. We all blame his lack of time in the pocket, but fact is, he isn't ALWAYS on his ass. He has been sacked more this year than in previous years (20 times in 7 games), but that's just under 3 times a game. Some of which were his fault. He needs to be decisive and when you have a 3 step drop, let the ball fly. Don't overthrow wide open receivers downfield either! Sure he hasn't had all day to pick apart defenses, but even if he did, we'd only see slightly better stats from him. He's at his very best right now, and will never get better. He'll make a decent backup for someone else some day...but a back up is the best he will be.[/quote]

OMG dude I've argued with RUHSKINS the other night and I said his stats are "Junk" stats because he never makes plays when it counts, and the only reason why he don't throw int's is because he never takes shots down field, so thats why he never throws TD'S either.. Thomas and Mitchell, Kelly will all be better off w/o JC

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[quote=dmek25;617785]just the thought of Campbell returning made me throw up in my mouth alittle. im not sure who to bring in. but i like the idea of bringing in a veteran, to give the skins time to build an NFL caliber line. because what they have here now is no where close to a real offensive line. and im not seeing the same things in Clausen that alot of you guys are. can someone explain him to me?[/quote]


Bring Chase back
Brennan is off IR
Draft a guy

Still think keeping JC as a backup isn't so bad though. I think of when we drafted Shuler then Gus. Shuler sucked, and we were stuck with the guy we got for depth as the starter.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;617962]OMG dude I've argued with RUHSKINS the other night and I said his stats are "Junk" stats because he never makes plays when it counts, and the only reason why he don't throw int's is because he never takes shots down field, so thats why he never throws TD'S either.. Thomas and Mitchell, Kelly will all be better off w/o JC[/quote]


I will be pissed when JC overtakes Gus in the all time Skins TD passing stat later on this season. There was no dink and dunk shit with Norv and Gus.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;617964]Bring Chase back
Brennan is off IR
Draft a guy

Still think keeping JC as a backup isn't so bad though. I think of when we drafted Shuler then Gus. Shuler sucked, and we were stuck with the guy we got for depth as the starter.[/quote]

Not a bad idea, but JC won't resign w us... He probably wishes the season was over already..

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[quote=skinsfaninok;617966]Not a bad idea, but JC won't resign w us... He probably wishes the season was over already..[/quote]

Bastard has no choice or go the way of Ramsey. Nobody seemed to want him fishing him around during the Cutler/Sanchez fiasco. He will re sign if we choose to do so or his career will go in the gutter.

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[quote=jsarno;617947]I know this might be dumb...but what if we pulled a Ditka and gave away all our draft picks for someone like Peyton Manning? Would they even do it? Before you say no to the idea, keep in mind we will likely have an uncapped year and won't need the picks since we can go buck wild on free agents, our FO specialty. Bring Peyton in and let him pick which WR's he wants to work with. Of course this is a pipe dream, but do you think that would even be possible? Would you even do it?
(for the record, for the best QB of all time, I'd do it. Peyton is the best ever, or damn close to best ever.)[/quote]

Maybe we can give the Colts all of our draft picks for the next ten years and just swap teams.

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I really think this offseason could be excellent if we play our hand correctly and some of our picks pan out the way we'd like.

1st round - No question here. Best Tackle available. We can't keep that a secret.

2nd round - Best guard available. Very likely that both of these picks will start in the upcoming season.

3rd round or possibly trade up into the mid - late 2nd round - GET TONY PIKE. Im telling you guys, Tony Pike reminds me of a slightly more accurate Flacco with much better NFL ready physical attributes. Watch this guy take off. Franchise quarterback flying under the radar.

With those three picks, keeping Samuels (fingers crossed), Derrick Dockery and Levi Jones and possibly Williams for a backup guard position, I think our OLine could actually go from very bad to maybe even above average, given a little luck. Add onto this list the best free agent center on the market this offseason, and its definitely doable.