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[quote=SmootSmack;619414]I'd be down with that.[/quote]

What would you say he's worth?

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[quote=SmootSmack;619413]Well the Jets traded for two of their 1st rounders and they'd been in the league for a while before joining the Jets. We've kind of got that now with Levi Jones (I won't bring up Mike Williams in this case because he hadn't played in so long). [B]And didn't Ramsey have 1st rounders at each end protecting him?[/quote][/B]


Yeah but in Spurrier's blocking schemes he also had way too many plays where the backs would be one on one with the DE. not defending Ramsey but i remember many of those replays of our rb getting ran through for the sack.

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[quote=SmootSmack;619413]Well the Jets traded for two of their 1st rounders and they'd been in the league for a while before joining the Jets. We've kind of got that now with Levi Jones (I won't bring up Mike Williams in this case because he hadn't played in so long). And didn't Ramsey have 1st rounders at each end protecting him?[/quote]

The Jets drafted D'Brickashaw Ferguson in the first round 4 years ago though.

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[quote=WaldSkins;619416]What would you say he's worth?[/quote]

Good question. I don't really know. 2nd and 4th?

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[quote=SmootSmack;619420]Good question. I don't really know. 2nd and 4th?[/quote]

I think having a 1st and two 2nd rounders (with a competent GM) could fill a lot of holes in our team.

(Throw in a 3rd rounder for Portis when this "competent GM" tricks the Browns or the Raiders, we are set! LOL.)

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If the offense is going to get blown up, then next year is the time to do it.

Portis = trade
Landry= trade
Moss = trade
Cooley = trade
whoever = trade

Without a good GM it will be for naught!

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[quote=Ruhskins;619421]I think having a 1st and two 2nd rounders (with a competent GM) could fill a lot of holes in our team.

(Throw in a 3rd rounder for Portis when this "competent GM" tricks the Browns or the Raiders, we are set! LOL.)[/quote]

Id give away a 3rd to get rid of that bum Betts

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[quote=SmootSmack;619413]Well the Jets traded for two of their 1st rounders and they'd been in the league for a while before joining the Jets. We've kind of got that now with Levi Jones (I won't bring up Mike Williams in this case because he hadn't played in so long). [B]And didn't Ramsey have 1st rounders at each end protecting him?[/B][/quote]

Yeah, but Spurrier's offense hung him out to dry.

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The same can be said when the Colts drafted Peyton manning...You have to start with the HEAD(QB) first....Add OL in the 2nd-5th or even trade the 2011 pick Example the Atlanta Falcons......

A great line isnt worth shiiii unless you have a QB...and a QB ainst shiii with out the OL


[quote=GusFrerotte;619391]Sorry Smooty, but according to the poll results 81% want O line. Qb is tempting for sure, but a nice new QB with a crappy line is a crappy QB. JC has basic mechanical problems, but the damn line just enhances those problems. Not to mention Portis isn't producing squat. In another thread I said that the '95-'97 squads really didn't suck all that bad, not compared to this one. I mean Terry Allen was one of the top rushers in '95-'96. Without a good line you can't run or pass, and that is what we are facing currently.[/quote]

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We need to draft the best O-Lineman with our 1st 2 picks. If we can trade down and aquire more picks than we should. Oline all the way. A great O-line can make a average QB look great.

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not sure what all you guys are smoking...but Jimmy Clausen is the best QB far and AWAY in this years draft. You can't be serious thinking McCoy or Tebow is going to be better...??? That's just ludicrous. Name me 3 good QB's from both Florida and Notre Dame COMBINED! Jimmy Clausen is the class of the draft...this is coming from a Florida fan too. The next good QB is probably going to be Matt Barkley out of USC.

[url=http://www.walterfootball.com]WalterFootball.com[/url]


best draft boards there are...updated weekly...with NFL picks as well as all other sports. Every mock draft so far has Jimmy Clausen as the top rated QB...McCoy is barely in the first ROUND!

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[quote=tootergray34;619440]not sure what all you guys are smoking...but Jimmy Clausen is the best QB far and AWAY in this years draft. You can't be serious thinking McCoy or Tebow is going to be better...??? That's just ludicrous. [B]Name me 3 good QB's from both Florida and Notre Dame COMBINED! [/B] Jimmy Clausen is the class of the draft...this is coming from a Florida fan too. The next good QB is probably going to be Matt Barkley out of USC.

[url=http://www.walterfootball.com]WalterFootball.com[/url]


best draft boards there are...updated weekly...with NFL picks as well as all other sports. Every mock draft so far has Jimmy Clausen as the top rated QB...McCoy is barely in the first ROUND![/quote]

What do the past QB's of a school have to do with a current QB? What because Joe Montana went to ND that means that ND churns out HOFers every 4 yrs? Or since school "A" had a bust that no matter who comes after him they will never succeed in the pros? Im not saying that Clausen is not a good prospect but to label him the best just because of the team he is playing for in college has had a good success rate of Qb's in the pros is just stupid.
USC QB's for example. look at Carson Palmer who is pretty good, then look at Leinhart--didnt look to good hence the reason the team signed Kurt Warner,Booty-was cut from Min and resigned to a practice squad last i heard--,Cassell--KC is finding out they were robbed and that Moss can still make ANY QB look great--and Sanchez--not much to write home about to this point.

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I don't think you can include Clausen in the group of potential QBs to draft.. sure he is going to be a top pick but if you think about it, he has only really had 1 good year. Tebow, Bradford, and McCoy, despite the latter two's injury problems have been solid for a few years, especially Tebow.

I say don't risk Clausen, I would rather see us take McCoy than Clausen

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[quote=rbanerjee23;619473]I don't think you can include Clausen in the group of potential QBs to draft.. sure he is going to be a top pick but if you think about it, he has only really had 1 good year. Tebow, Bradford, and McCoy, despite the latter two's injury problems have been solid for a few years, especially Tebow.

I say don't risk Clausen, I would rather see us take McCoy than Clausen[/quote]

I personally am on the "Draft Colt McCoy" bandwagon, then take the best LT prospect available (if we can't get McNeil via free agency). McCoy is a proven leader for a big time program. He also has been laser accurate for the last 3 years of his collegiate career (his completion percentage was at like 76% last season and he is at 67% so far this season even though he "isn't playing well") add to that the fact that he can scramble. Our team lacks leadership on the offensive side of the ball. Go get us a leader!!!

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[quote=GMScud;619149]Who is the top QB on your board?

I would LOVE to have Brandon Spikes. Did you see his pick 6 yesterday? Plus the guy is a leader and can flat out stuff the run. He's a perfect 4-3 MLB. But it would make me cringe to use another high first round pick on defense when the O is so badly lagging.[/quote]

He better not do shit like this if we drafted him.. at least not on top of the pile

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cISxU8Crulw]YouTube - Brandon Spikes Eye Gouge[/ame]

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[quote=GTripp0012;619159]There is a guy who has a 7 on his jersey for Notre Dame that we should seriously consider in the second round:

[URL="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1246114"]Sam Young, , NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/URL][/quote]
Do you think that that source is incorrect in grading him as a round 4-7 pick?

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[B]When you build a house, you build it from the foundation on up. [/B]The same goes for a football team. You build a good football team from the line to the skilled positions. A lot of fans pay attention to the touchdown passes and runs and don't realize that none of that can be attained without good line play. The line enables the quarterback to do his job. Mediocre quarterback can at times look spectacular when given enough time. The quarterback's best friend is a solid running game. Guess what, you can't run if you don't have good blocking. Someone asked a dumbass question about picking Montana versus Jacobi. If you have a decent line, yes it's a no brainer, pick Montana. But if you have a line like the Redskins, you pick Jacobi. The Redskins have to address their offensive line before committing another quarterback to a severe beating.

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Clausen if he's there, don't go up to get him. If he's gone, best LT available.

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[quote=tryfuhl;619484]Do you think that that source is incorrect in grading him as a round 4-7 pick?[/quote]I think it's very early.

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[quote=Reality Check;619386]this is my first post because i just had to chime in. u guys are all idiots.
.[/quote]
I literally laughed aloud here. I'm willing to believe that what you posted, which I'm not going to bother to read, agreed with what others have said.

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[quote=Reality Check;619386]this is my first post because i just had to chime in. u guys are all idiots.

the redskins need a new qb, three or four new ol-men, a number 1 receiver, a new tight end (cooleys has unbelievable stats for his marginal talent because jason campbell constantly checks down and doesnt throw the ball to wrs) TWO new running backs, ladell betts is garbage and clinton portis can make one cut and then falls down LOL! u need two new defensive ends because orakpo would be a beast but is running around covering people, i mean jarmon wouldnt be starting on any other nfc east team and everyone loves him just because hes new and young. a new mlb to replace 36 year old london fletcher. a shutdown corner. dangelo hall gets picks and returns them because hes fast but they are usually on tips or some bullshit not because he jumps routes (see asante samuels), and the asshole cant tackle for shit. horton is too stocky and slow to play safety in this league so a new ss... actually make that a new FS and let landry move over to ss.

i think that makes 14 players.

so after that venting... what the skins need to do is draft a LT or QB in the first round this year, and then go best player available every other round.... and then get a LT or +QB next year in the first round and go best available in all the other rounds once again.[/quote]
nevermind.. I read it.. go back to your madden with the salary cap turned off

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nvm already answered

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[quote=SouperMeister;619129]O-line should be the #1 priority. QB is far too much of a crapshoot in the first round. See Heath Shuler, Patrick Ramsey, and Jason Campbell drafted in the 1st round here alone. Throw in Alex Smith, David Carr, Joey Harrington, JaMarcus Russell, Rick Mirer, Trent Dilfer, and Ryan Leaf - All Top 5 overall. We did pretty well with Chris Samuels as a top-5 pick. I want our new GM to find the next Chris Samuels.[/quote]

And there it is...

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I haven't done the research yet, but if there's a QB that grades as close to a "can't miss" as possible, we may have to take him. If not, then OL.

I'm not against trading back for more picks either. If we've got a top 5 then trade back for a late first & a 2nd or 3rd. We need as many picks as possible.

As long as VC is not making the decisions i'll most likely be happy.

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[quote=SmootSmack;619397]Well most of you are wrong :)

Seriously though, I get the sense some people think that of us who say take a QB first are saying ignore the line. And that's not the case, not from me at least. I mean I'm not opposed to going OL in the first and QB in the second. Really, I'm not. But, looking at this year's potential picks (and also peeking ahead as best as possible to the 2011 draft), I lean toward QB first[/quote]When we were a 6-2 team last year, the offensive backfield was our best unit. It might still be our best unit, with Cooley on the mend, but only because pretty much every unit has been terrible.

I support the notion that a great player in the offensive backfield could make the lines job easier, but I would suggest that you should make it a great running back, someone who could make a decent running team out of the current line.

The Redskins simply do not have the receivers to make the next two years of the passing game anything but a moderate success, best case scenario. However, since we tend to block well with our receivers against other DBs, and we're trying to build the OL anyway, I think the quickest way to make the OL look competent would be to get the best available RB.

If we were to go to a more run, run, play action style of offense, you'd probably want to change the quarterback as well, since Campbell is more of a read and react style player, than a PA, throw the ball in a tight window down the field. But since we can't really make great strides in the passing game with just an offseason or two, lets go to work on the running game first.

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Im taking a Tackle in the first and qb in the second.

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[quote=GTripp0012;619517]When we were a 6-2 team last year, the offensive backfield was our best unit. It might still be our best unit, with Cooley on the mend, but only because pretty much every unit has been terrible.

[B]I support the notion that a great player in the offensive backfield could make the lines job easier, but I would suggest that you should make it a great running back, someone who could make a decent running team out of the current line.[/B]

The Redskins simply do not have the receivers to make the next two years of the passing game anything but a moderate success, best case scenario. However, since we tend to block well with our receivers against other DBs, and we're trying to build the OL anyway, I think the quickest way to make the OL look competent would be to get the best available RB.

If we were to go to a more run, run, play action style of offense, you'd probably want to change the quarterback as well, since Campbell is more of a read and react style player, than a PA, throw the ball in a tight window down the field. But since we can't really make great strides in the passing game with just an offseason or two, lets go to work on the running game first.[/quote]

That's why the Skins should have drafted Adrian Petersen when I told them to do it. But, since it's too late to do that, they can follow my Plan B, which is as follows:

Trade or cut everyone on the team who is older than Albert Haynesworth. Draft Tim Tebow in the first round. Use picks acquired via trades to move up and draft Javid Best in the late first or early second round. Draft nothing but OL with the rest of the picks.

Drafting Tebow and Best would give us [U]two[/U] good RB's in the draft. Plus we'd get a QB (Tebow) a receiver (Best), and a return man (Best).

There's no need to compensate me, Danny. This particular brilliant insight of mine is gratis.

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[quote=hail_2_da_skins;619485][B]When you build a house, you build it from the foundation on up. [/B]The same goes for a football team. You build a good football team from the line to the skilled positions. A lot of fans pay attention to the touchdown passes and runs and don't realize that none of that can be attained without good line play. The line enables the quarterback to do his job. Mediocre quarterback can at times look spectacular when given enough time. The quarterback's best friend is a solid running game. Guess what, you can't run if you don't have good blocking. Someone asked a dumbass question about picking Montana versus Jacobi. If you have a decent line, yes it's a no brainer, pick Montana. But if you have a line like the Redskins, you pick Jacobi. The Redskins have to address their offensive line before committing another quarterback to a severe beating.[/quote]

While I absolutely agree with you that you need a solid oline, and it's the "foundation of your house", a good oline can be had in later picks. It's possible, but harder to find a good qb in the later rounds. Therefore you need to take the QB first, then go after the oline.
You used [b]Jacoby[/b] as point to answer another question, but what you failed to mention is that Jacoby was UNDRAFTED! Why take someone with the 4th overall pick, when you can get him with the 4th pick in the 2nd round or later? Montana was taken early cause his talented warrented such, Jacoby was an undrafted free agent cause people weren't that high on him. He had something to prove. Point is, oline is easier to find deeper in rounds than qb leaders.

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[quote=jsarno;619554]While I absolutely agree with you that you need a solid oline, and it's the "foundation of your house", a good oline can be had in later picks. It's possible, but harder to find a good qb in the later rounds. Therefore you need to take the QB first, then go after the oline.
You used [b]Jacoby[/b] as point to answer another question, but what you failed to mention is that Jacoby was UNDRAFTED! Why take someone with the 4th overall pick, when you can get him with the 4th pick in the 2nd round or later? Montana was taken early cause his talented warrented such, Jacoby was an undrafted free agent cause people weren't that high on him. He had something to prove. Point is, oline is easier to find deeper in rounds than qb leaders.[/quote]

I think my problem with not drafting an o-lineman in the first round is that I don't have faith in the offensive line coaching, nor do I have faith in the decision making folks. I mean we drafted a lineman in the 3rd round last year, and that hasn't worked out well. Furthermore, we just lost our Pro Bowl LT. Unless the offensive line coaching changes or we get some competent people that can do a good job in picking a franchise tackle in the later rounds or we get second first rounder somehow, I'd rather have the team pick a tackle in the first round.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;619375]Redskins QB 1st round
Cowboys QB UDF
Eagles QB 1st round
Giants QB 1st round

Bears QB 1st round
Lions QB 1st round
Packers QB 1st round
Vikings QB 2nd round(Farve)

Atlanta QB 1st round
Tampa Bay QB 1st round
Panthers QB UDF
Saints QB 1st

Cardinals QB UDF
49ers QB 1st(This Week)
Seahawks QB 6th round
Rams QB 6th round

10 first rounders, one second rounder, two sixth rounders, three UDF.

After doing this exercise, I think it is a good idea to take your QB in the first round.[/quote]

Now rank them according to quality of play and see what you get. Just because a guy is taken in the first round it does not mean that he is worth it.

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[quote=Angry;619565]Now rank them according to quality of play and see what you get. Just because a guy is taken in the first round it does not mean that he is worth it.[/quote]
What the list tells me is that you either get a QB in the first round or some how a QB comes out of no where to be good. No way to judje the bottom steels. They just come from thin air.

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O-LINE...not even a question. RBs are a dime a dozen. QB is a crap shoot and until we have a decent line its not going to matter who is taking the snaps.

If JC had a top notch line, with our D we would be a playoff contender and I'm not even a huge fan of JC.

I would LOVE to have the DB from Tennesse...Eric Berry....he reminds me a little of #21

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[quote=Ruhskins;619559]I think my problem with not drafting an o-lineman in the first round is that I don't have faith in the offensive line coaching, nor do I have faith in the decision making folks. I mean we drafted a lineman in the 3rd round last year, and that hasn't worked out well. Furthermore, we just lost our Pro Bowl LT. Unless the offensive line coaching changes or we get some competent people that can do a good job in picking a franchise tackle in the later rounds or we get second first rounder somehow, I'd rather have the team pick a tackle in the first round.[/quote]Joe Bugel is not the problem. Give me any other of the great O-line coaches of the last 40 years (Jim Hanifan and Alex Gibbs come to mind), and they too wouldn't be able to overcome the lack of quality depth on our line.

As for drafting a lineman in the 3rd round (Rinehart), that was a total reach, selecting a Division 1-AA Tackle who had never faced solid competition. Blame Cerrato and his merry band of ass clowns for the fiasco that is our 2008 draft class. The most dire need going into that draft was OL depth, and the best Vinny can deliver in 10 picks is a lone reach from some 1-AA school??? Mike Pollak is a 2 year starter on Indy's OL, and he was still available when we made Malcolm Kelly our third receiver selected in the 2nd round. Freaking amazing.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;619357]Redskins LT 1st round
Eagles LT UDF
Giants LT 5th round
Cowboys LT 2nd round

Bears LT 1st round
Detroit LT 1st round
Packers LT 4th round(rookie)
Vikings LT 1st round

Falcons LT 1st round
Panthers LT 1st round
Saints LT 4th round
Buccuneers LT UDF

Cardinals LT 3rd round
49er's LT 1st round
Seahawks LT 3rd round
Rams LT 1st round



NFC Eight 1st rounders, one second rounder, two third rounders, two fourth ronders, one fith rounder, and two undrafted free agents. My god thats 50/50, kind of suprised me.[/quote]

Very intersting, this still shows me that we better take a LT in the first round, because we don't have the football smarts to get a decent LT in say the 4th round or something, we would waste that pick on a player such as Cody Glenn, or Justin Tryon

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[quote=maroonandblack30;619578]O-LINE...not even a question. RBs are a dime a dozen. QB is a crap shoot and until we have a decent line its not going to matter who is taking the snaps.

If JC had a top notch line, with our D we would be a playoff contender and I'm not even a huge fan of JC.

I would LOVE to have the DB from Tennesse...Eric Berry....he reminds me a little of #21[/quote]

I agree. W/out a line the offense can't do anything. Linemen w/ the first two picks. Berry or Taylor Mays would be nice though...

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[quote=T.O.Killa;619576]What the list tells me is that you either get a QB in the first round or some how a QB comes out of no where to be good. No way to judje the bottom steels. They just come from thin air.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]No, it tells you that way too often QB's are over drafted. People fall in love with them and draft them too early. Guys like Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, and Brian Brohm, get over drafted, meanwhile a guy like Chad Henne who is not much less talented and gets selected in the second. Everybody thinks that they are going to end up with the next Peyton Manning in the first round, when the reality is that they are more than likely going to end up with the next Jamarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, [B]Jay Cutler[/B], Alex Smith, [B]Aaron Rogers[/B], or Jason Campbell. I think that it is safe to say that only one of those names (maybe 2) were actually worth a first round selection. Neither was the first QB taken in the draft either. Joe Gibbs once said that if you can protect the QB, then there are about 26 guys who can play in this league, if you cannot protect them there are only about 5. I paraphrased because I didn’t want to screw his words up. Needless to say if you look at previous draft history you can find some 2nd-6th rounders that you can develop into solid starters that might be as effective as or better than 1st round draft picks at the QB position.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][URL="http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?type=position"]National Football League: NFL Draft History Full Draft - by Position[/URL][/FONT][/COLOR]

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Given Snyderato's (in)ability to judge talent, I think LT should be the choice instead of QB. At least, a LT can usually play somewhere on the line if he doesn't work out at LT -- a QB bust is more often a dead loss. I'd go OL in the 2nd round too, unless a stud QB or RB falls that low.

Until we get a competent GM, our drafts will be like barroom drunks throwing darts.

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I think that a team pretty much needs to get its QB and its LT in the first round of the draft. We'll need both at the end of this season. It remains to be seen if we'll suck enough to get our choice of which one we pick.

It may come down to how highly rated are the LT's and QB's on the board when we pick. But I do think we'll go with one of those two positions unless something dramatic happens prior to the draft.

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[quote=Pyrotech;619622]Given Snyderato's (in)ability to judge talent, I think LT should be the choice instead of QB. At least, a LT can usually play somewhere on the line if he doesn't work out at LT -- a QB bust is more often a dead loss. I'd go OL in the 2nd round too, unless a stud QB or RB falls that low.

[B]Until we get a competent GM, our drafts will be like barroom drunks throwing darts[/B][B].[/B][/quote]

"Damn, Vinny, you hit the Miller Lite sign! What the Hell does that mean?"

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;619625]"Damn, Vinny, you hit the Miller Lite sign! What the Hell does that mean?"[/quote]

Miller, yeah, that's the ticket! "With their first round selection, the Washington Redskins draft Long Snapper Moses Miller, from Fukawi State".

That should shut up the fans who are screaming for OL help.