Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

Not defending CP but you have to admit that the OLine was actually pushing ppl out of the way yesterday. which has not been seen much this season.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

I think this conversation needs to start by talking about the OL. They did a great job (finally) and dominated the LOS all day. That's where an effective running game starts and ends, it's all up front. That said I do like how Betts attacks the LOS. He's much quicker and decisive. He takes the ball and just goes. I like the way he finishes his runs too, always falling forward fighting for more. At this point Betts has a lot less mileage on him than Portis and is much healthier.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

The oline did play well, but I don't think that was the difference...we had a LT who hadn't played in years and a new guard going against a very good defense. The difference was Ladell. He got the yards CP doesn't get because of his lack of vision. Betts is the difference (and Rock).

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=maroonandblack30;625964]The oline did play well, but I don't think that was the difference...we had a LT who hadn't played in years and a new guard going against a very good defense. The difference was Ladell. He got the yards CP doesn't get because of his lack of vision. Betts is the difference (and Rock).[/quote]

the offensive line is always the reason for a good running game......ALWAYS.....

portis doesnt get the help from the offensive line that betts got.....he doesnt get the same defensive looks when he is in the game

some of you guys are no better than your teams owner.....you are completely blinded by the fact that your team is struggling this year.....clinton portis is easily your best player.....easily a top 5 running back in the league on a bottom 5 team in the league......you guys make me laugh

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

look back the Falcons game and ask:

has Portis been running as hard as Betts and Cartwright?

has Portis been decisive in hitting the correct hole like Betts and Rock did?

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

I think there's something to be said about the fact Portis doesn't practice all week and then trots out there on Sundays.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=CantonLegend;625983][B]the offensive line is always the reason for a good running game......ALWAYS.[/B]....

portis doesnt get the help from the offensive line that betts got.....he doesnt get the same defensive looks when he is in the game

some of you guys are no better than your teams owner.....you are completely blinded by the fact that your team is struggling this year.....[B]clinton portis is easily your best player[/B].....easily a top 5 running back in the league on a bottom 5 team in the league......you guys make me laugh[/quote]

1) Actually Barry Sanders, for just one example, had some fine years running behind a shaky o-line. While good o-line play is quite helpful for a running game, your "always" statement is simply not true.

2) as for your Portis point, you continue to completely ignore all evidence that contradicts your assertion. Such unintelligent thinking makes me laugh...

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=CantonLegend;625983]the offensive line is always the reason for a good running game......ALWAYS.....

portis doesnt get the help from the offensive line that betts got.....he doesnt get the same defensive looks when he is in the game

some of you guys are no better than your teams owner.....you are completely blinded by the fact that your team is struggling this year.....clinton portis is easily your best player.....easily a top 5 running back in the league on a bottom 5 team in the league......you guys make me laugh[/quote]

Im sorry you haven't had a TV and have been unable to watch NFL football for the past 2 years...that must suck.

Top 5 back? uhhh not even close.

AP, Jones-Drew, Chris Johnson, Cedric Benson, Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, Frank Gore, Westbrook, Stephen Jackson.....ALL out class CP.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=Mattyk72;625994]I think there's something to be said about the fact Portis doesn't practice all week and then trots out there on Sundays.[/quote]

Huge factor...

It sounds like he NEVER practices during the week. How does he even see the field on Sundays? He shouldn't.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

I think Portis has a big chance here to be the better man and take his role as the 2nd (or 3rd) RB. I know we're not paying him all that money to be that role, but he should put the team first.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

Betts had a good game, maybe the problem is portis after all, I would like to use a larger sample than one game though.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=Lotus;625996]1) Actually Barry Sanders, for just one example, had some fine years running behind a shaky o-line. While good o-line play is quite helpful for a running game, your "always" statement is simply not true.

2) as for your Portis point, you continue to completely ignore all evidence that contradicts your assertion. Such unintelligent thinking makes me laugh...[/quote]

lol name one more......barry sanders is a hall of fame back for a reason....you are completely ignoring my point......you dont have a barry sanders type back on your team and there will likely never be another one like him

there is always an exception to the rule but the rule is a rule for a reason.....portis is still a top 5 back despite being injured and playing behind a terrible line, and terrible team

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

Two or three serviceable backs are better than one high mileage, no practice back. The rest of the league gets it now we need to follow suit. I thank Portis for his service during his years in Washington. He has given us very good years, but to be effective you have to gain more than 2 yards a run.

When trying to give a message to all players, you can not keep paying and playing a back who does not give his all in the off-season, who does not practice and who is one of the highest paid on the team. Great message to the newer or younger players!!!!

I think I just saw the headline which should of been plastered all over the papers today:

[B][U]LIFE AFTER PORTIS: REDSKINS WIN![/U][/B]

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=maroonandblack30;626002]Im sorry you haven't had a TV and have been unable to watch NFL football for the past 2 years...that must suck.

Top 5 back? uhhh not even close.

AP, Jones-Drew, Chris Johnson, Cedric Benson, Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, Frank Gore, Westbrook, Stephen Jackson.....ALL out class CP.[/quote]

sorry.....i forgot that clinton portis was an all pro and made the pro bowl last season and had the 4th most rushing yards in the league

its a shame that you guys bash your own player this bad considering he is easily the best player on your team

he doesnt practice all week because he doesnt have to.....practicing gets you reps......obviously his numbers show he doesnt have to get reps during practice to be successful

you guys are looking at a 1 game sample size to judge whether betts is the better running back.....truth is that portis is paid like a #1 because he is a #1 and doesnt have help from anyone else on the team

betts has had 1 1000 yard season and that was when portis got hurt in 2006

portis consistantly goes over 1400 yards on the season.....it looks like he wont go over that this year but your team also wont go anywhere this year.....when portis carries the team you guys do well.......when you get cocky and think its more about the team than him, you guys go 3-6

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[URL="http://www.thewarpath.net/members/cantonlegend.html"]CantonLegend[/URL] you can choose to follow the same path even though you know that path gets you no where! Or you can go a different route and work harder to try and get where you want to go!!!

Betts is not an all pro all of a sudden...He will do in this offense as we need to stop relying on one player and everyone must contribute!!!

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=CantonLegend;626028]sorry.....i forgot that clinton portis was an all pro and made the pro bowl last season and had the 4th most rushing yards in the league

its a shame that you guys bash your own player this bad considering he is easily the best player on your team

he doesnt practice all week because he doesnt have to.....practicing gets you reps......obviously his numbers show he doesnt have to get reps during practice to be successful

you guys are looking at a 1 game sample size to judge whether betts is the better running back.....truth is that portis is paid like a #1 because he is a #1 and doesnt have help from anyone else on the team

betts has had 1 1000 yard season and that was when portis got hurt in 2006

portis consistantly goes over 1400 yards on the season.....it looks like he wont go over that this year but your team also wont go anywhere this year.....when portis carries the team you guys do well.......when you get cocky and think its more about the team than him, you guys go 3-6[/quote]

Seriously, have you watched one Redskins game this year?

As far as practice goes..... I'll just agree with what BMitch said in regards to practice.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=CantonLegend;626023]lol name one more......barry sanders is a hall of fame back for a reason....[B]you are completely ignoring my point[/B]......you dont have a barry sanders type back on your team and there will likely never be another one like him

there is always an exception to the rule but the rule is a rule for a reason.....portis is still a top 5 back despite being injured and playing behind a terrible line, and terrible team[/quote]

You said previously, "the offensive line is always the reason for a good running game......ALWAYS....."

I pointed out that you were wrong, giving the example of Barry Sanders. There are many more examples: OJ Simpson did not always have the Electric Company, Eric Dickerson ran behind some shaky lines, for a few years Emmitt Smith did not have the best line but still put up yards...I can keep going as there are many more examples.

The problem is not that I ignored you point. The problem is that your point was WRONG but, yet again, you are not man enough to admit it.

Same thing with your point about Portis. You keep citing 2008 although now it is 2009. Once again, your argument is flawed, yet you are not man enough to admit it.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

If there is no Cap next year, i full expect Portis to be cut.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;626112]If there is no Cap next year, i full expect Portis to be cut.[/quote]

That is my hope. Dump his bloated salary and questionable attitude while we can.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

Portis is a locker room cancer to this team. His salary is almost as bloated now as his puffy out of shape body. I'm tired of his attitude and throwing the team under the bus. I actually hope that the concussion made him realize what he could very well lose, that is his career if he doesnt change his ways. I hope he was put in his place sunday when he saw that teamwork won the game, not the mighty Portis. Dude is straight worthless. Also i hope him seeing Betts get 114 yards really rubbed him raw.

Mark my words, no other franchise will give jack for him when he is released from this team. He's not gonna make it far telling his new coach to "get the F out of his face" (said to Zorn in a 2008 game) and telling them that he is unwilling to play in preseason or practice.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

Portis is having a down year. He has taken a beating. I like the players on the Redskins. Why get rid of Portis? Not many are good as him. There are RB's who have one or two good years but the man is good every year. He hasn't looked explosive this year. The year is not over. There are still 7 games left. Stop freaking whining. We will see what AP looks liek in 5 years, then start yapping.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

Betts is gonna fumble, mark my words. Dude fumbles way too much!!! He the man of the hour but he loves to fumble. I know Ladell break Randy Thomas leg Betts. He has cost us atleaset three games with his fumbling. Rock on the other hand has always been better than Betts.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=joethiesmanfan;626218]Betts is gonna fumble, mark my words. Dude fumbles way too much!!! He the man of the hour but he loves to fumble. I know Ladell break Randy Thomas leg Betts. He has cost us atleaset three games with his fumbling. Rock on the other hand has always been better than Betts.[/quote]

Can you mail me some of that stuff your smoking.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=joethiesmanfan;626218]Betts is gonna fumble, mark my words. Dude fumbles way too much!!! He the man of the hour but he loves to fumble. I know Ladell break Randy Thomas leg Betts. He has cost us atleaset three games with his fumbling. Rock on the other hand has always been better than Betts.[/quote]

Portis fumbles the ball too you know.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;626208]Portis is a locker room cancer to this team. His salary is almost as bloated now as his puffy out of shape body. I'm tired of his attitude and throwing the team under the bus. I actually hope that the concussion made him realize what he could very well lose, that is his career if he doesnt change his ways. I hope he was put in his place sunday when he saw that teamwork won the game, not the mighty Portis. Dude is straight worthless. Also i hope him seeing Betts get 114 yards really rubbed him raw.

Mark my words, no other franchise will give jack for him when he is released from this team. He's not gonna make it far telling his new coach to "get the F out of his face" (said to Zorn in a 2008 game) and telling them that he is unwilling to play in preseason or practice.[/quote]

Exactly. portis is a cancer. This team won't be back on the right track until he is gone.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=CantonLegend;626028]sorry.....i forgot that clinton portis was an all pro and made the pro bowl last season and had the 4th most rushing yards in the league

its a shame that you guys bash your own player this bad considering he is easily the best player on your team

he doesnt practice all week because he doesnt have to.....practicing gets you reps......obviously his numbers show he doesnt have to get reps during practice to be successful

you guys are looking at a 1 game sample size to judge whether betts is the better running back.....truth is that portis is paid like a #1 because he is a #1 and doesnt have help from anyone else on the team

betts has had 1 1000 yard season and that was when portis got hurt in 2006

portis consistantly goes over 1400 yards on the season.....it looks like he wont go over that this year but your team also wont go anywhere this year.....when portis carries the team you guys do well.......when you get cocky and think its more about the team than him, you guys go 3-6[/quote]
Its funny how fans like this from another team which finally is playing great football think now they can come tell us what we are doing wrong. Oh, by the way Saints will fall apart again this year so ride that train while you can.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

Saints are fake. [B]They can't stop the run!!!!!![/B]

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=joethiesmanfan;626210]Portis is having a down year. He has taken a beating. I like the players on the Redskins. Why get rid of Portis? Not many are good as him. There are RB's who have one or two good years but the man is good every year. He hasn't looked explosive this year. The year is not over. There are still 7 games left. Stop freaking whining. We will see what AP looks liek in 5 years, then start yapping.[/quote]

IF AP looks like Portis in 5 years I can almost guarantee the Vikes won't hesitate to sit him down.... Portis is Snyder's boy and can do whatever he wants, its embarassing to the franchise.

You think the Pats or the Colts put up with CP?

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

It's commendable the Portis fans are standing up for him. He has given his all to the Redskin nation but he just doesn't run as hard as he used to. Blame it on the injuries or the lack of practice but the guy has been running like Shaun Alexander, falling down upon contact. Ladell Betts may not have a game like yesterday every week, but I like that he hits the hole at full speed and actually attempts to run to daylight. Rock Cartwright is running hard as well. If the injuries are keeping him from running hard, then he needs to rest and recuperate until he can.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

do you think we would spend every fist round pick on offense like the Colts? Do you think we would put up with 7 years of Peyton Manning's playopff futility like the Colts did? Yall would be crying for Peyton to be fired. Roster envy!!!

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

In the long run, neither Portis or Betts is the answer. It's just the nature of the game and the nature of life that they have only so much left to give as full-time backs. Maybe a year or two more. Maybe.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=joethiesmanfan;626251]do you think we would spend every fist round pick on offense like the Colts? Do you think we would put up with 7 years of Peyton Manning's playopff futility like the Colts did? Yall would be crying for Peyton to be fired. Roster envy!!![/quote]

HAHAHHA...wow.

Yeah I would hate for Peyton to be a Skin.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

Marronandblack30 I see you have Zorn as your Avator. [B]Jim zorn what a waste of head sets!!!![/B]

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=joethiesmanfan;626269]Marronandblack30 I see you have Zorn as your Avator. [B]Jim zorn what a waste of head sets!!!![/B][/quote]

Yawnnnnn

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=maroonandblack30;626264]HAHAHHA...wow.

Yeah I would hate for Peyton to be a Skin.[/quote]

You forgot about those years when Peyton he couldn't win a playoff game? the Colts stuck with him. You don't seem the kind to stick behind the Redskins players. One bad game and ohh we need to get rid of them.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=joethiesmanfan;626272]You forgot about those years when Peyton he couldn't win a playoff game? the Colts stuck with him. You don't seem the kind to stick behind the Redskins players. [B]One bad game [/B]and ohh we need to get rid of them.[/quote]

Peyton has been one of the best QBs in the league since he was drafted...Good QBs are at a premium...no one ever suggested giving on him. CP is an old, worn down RB, RBs are a dime a dozen in this league, even good ones.

Peyton Manning is a great teammate and leader, CP is a selfish cancer....I hardly think thats a good comparison

Really? Just one?

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

I think the bottom line is that Portis is hurt. It happened sometime last year after or during he was leading the league in rushing. Now because he is hurt, he has missed practice time and between not practicing and being injured, he just is not effective right now.

He should be benched until he is 100% and I would say that if Betts continues to play like this, Betts should be our starting runningback until Clinton EARNS the starting spot back. Unfortunately it seems that starting runningback is Portis' job if he feels like he can play. Zorn's press conference today didn't give me confidence that anything has changed and when Clinton feels like playing he will be back in, even if he is still hurt.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=maroonandblack30;626282]Peyton has been one of the best QBs in the league since he was drafted...Good QBs are at a premium...no one ever suggested giving on him. CP is an old, worn down RB, RBs are a dime a dozen in this league, even good ones.

Peyton Manning is a great teammate and leader, CP is a selfish cancer....I hardly think thats a good comparison

Really? Just one?[/quote]


Peyton is not a Redskin. Nuff said. Shut up!!!!!

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=joethiesmanfan;626289][B]Peyton is not a Redskin[/B]. Nuff said. Shut up!!!!![/quote]

I don't think I ever said he was...but this is ground breaking...good call.

Re: Portis is a BIG problem!!!
 

[quote=Pocket$ $traight;626284]I think the bottom line is that Portis is hurt. It happened sometime last year after or during he was leading the league in rushing. Now because he is hurt, he has missed practice time and between not practicing and being injured, he just is not effective right now.

He should be benched until he is 100% and I would say that if Betts continues to play like this, Betts should be our starting runningback until Clinton EARNS the starting spot back. Unfortunately it seems that starting runningback is Portis' job if he feels like he can play. Zorn's press conference today didn't give me confidence that anything has changed and when Clinton feels like playing he will be back in, even if he is still hurt.[/quote]

I totally agree....At the same time, Portis is always hurt thats who he is. Kinda of like Bryan Westbrook or Bob Sanders...the "he is very good when he is healthy" arguement gets tired after 2-3 years.

I agree about Zorns PC...he sounded like as soon as Portis is healthy the job is his.