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i'm bored at work so i replayed this thing a few times, breaking it down. no. 51 on teh falcons is talking ish and/or grabbing at landry for the late hit. hall comes over and brushes/knocks no. 51's hands off landry, landry walks away, falcons strength coach snatches hall up, hall gets circled, shit pops off.

go skins!!

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[quote=over the mountain;623451]i'm bored at work so i replayed this thing a few times, breaking it down. no. 51 on teh falcons is talking ish and/or grabbing at landry for the late hit. hall comes over and brushes/knocks no. 51's hands off landry, landry walks away, falcons strength coach snatches hall up, hall gets circled, shit pops off.

go skins!![/quote]

Landry should thank Hall for getting him out of there and for getting the heat off him regarding that personal foul.

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Not sure if its been post but the NFL is looking into this today.

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[quote=firstdown;623458]Not sure if its been post but the NFL is looking into this today.[/quote]

Yup, they are...

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d814124e5&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true]NFL will look into altercation in Falcons-Redskins game[/url]

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Coaches getting involved in an altercation with players is the ultimate fail. And it wasn't like Smith was trying to break it up, only make it worse. Can coaches get fined for that sort of thing?

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[quote=DynamiteRave;623466]Coaches getting involved in an altercation with players is the ultimate fail. And it wasn't like Smith was trying to break it up, only make it worse. Can coaches get fined for that sort of thing?[/quote]

That's probably going to be the only punishment, I doubt the league will hand out any other punishment.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;623466]Coaches getting involved in an altercation with players is the ultimate fail. And it wasn't like Smith was trying to break it up, only make it worse. Can coaches get fined for that sort of thing?[/quote]

Think of it this way, if DeAngelo Hall had not been there none of this would have happened. Two wrongs do not make a right, there's no way Hall can be absolved of complete responsibility because he was someplace doing something he had absolutely no business doing or being.

One of our players had just hit thier QB out of bounds on their sideline. It's a normal reaction in the NFL for both players and coaches to come to the rescue of their player in such circumstances, espically when the the play resulted in a PF being called by the side judge.

BL, Hall was where he should not have been, all that happens after that is on him. He has a fabulous defense however, it was someone elses' fault that he was WRONG, just blame it on the Falcon's coaches, they did it.

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[quote=Longtimefan;623484]Think of it this way, if DeAngelo Hall had not been there none of this would have happened. Two wrongs do not a right, there's no way Hall can be absolved of complete responsibility because he was someplace doing something he had absolutely no business doing or being.

One of our players had just hit thier QB out of bounds on their sideline. It's a normal reaction in the NFL for both players and coaches to come to the rescure of their player in such circumstances, espically when the the play resulted in a PF being called by the side judge.

BL, Hall was where he should not have been, all that happens after that is on him. He has a fabulous defense however, it was someone elses' fault that he was WRONG, just blame it on the Falcon's coaches, they did it.[/quote]

I get what you're saying I don't think D.Hall was right for what he did but I understand why he got riled up.

Because its kinda like if your ex-gf walked up to you and punched you in the junk. If I did that to a guy I wouldn't expect him to just sit there and take it.

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[quote=Ruhskins;623446]So how come you're not complaining about Haynesworth walking over and joining the altercation?

And you're so full of it...watch the tape again Hall got Landry out of there, that's why "Landry walked away". Hall was running towards both Landry and Ryan, and you clearly see the ATL sideline get on Landry.[/quote]

I don't have a problem with Haynesworth coming over to play enforcer. The damage was already done. But fine..we'll just agree to disagree.

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[quote=skinsfan69;623493]I don't have a problem with Haynesworth coming over to play enforcer. The damage was already done. But fine..we'll just agree to disagree.[/quote]

Given the reaction of the ATL sideline, either Landry would have gotten in an altercation with them or Hall. Either way the damage was done by Landry's late hit and the ATL's sideline response to the hit.

Although I actually think what Haynesworth did was helpful (he shoved half of the ATL sideline away from the Redskins player) he still got called for a PF.

In the end, this shouldn't have happened if Landry had not done something that has been a problem in his discipline since he was a rook. What is upsetting is that fans like you have such biased opinion against Hall, that it takes away from the bigger picture of this situation. The league should punish both Hall and Smith, and the Redskins defensive coaching staff need to get on Landry's ass about the late hit.

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[quote=Longtimefan;623484]Think of it this way, i[B]f DeAngelo Hall had not been there[/B] none of this would have happened. Two wrongs do not a right, there's no way Hall can be absolved of complete responsibility because he was someplace doing something he had absolutely no business doing or being.

One of our players had just hit thier QB out of bounds on their sideline. It's a normal reaction in the NFL for both players and coaches to come to the rescure of their player in such circumstances, espically when the the play resulted in a PF being called by the side judge.

BL, Hall was where he should not have been, all that happens after that is on him. He has a fabulous defense however, it was someone elses' fault that he was WRONG, just blame it on the Falcon's coaches, they did it.[/quote]

You're right, but then you might as well say 'if Deangelo Hall simply stood on the other side of the field and watched...'

When I watched the replay last night I saw Hall come in during the end of the play on the sideline, i.e. he was pursuing the ball. He was already on the sideline when Landry hit Ryan (which btw, wasn't as late as it looked). Did he need to take a couple steps over to where Landry was? Probably not, and who knows what he said.

I don't want to take up for Hall, the dude has always been a problem, but in this case, the coaches coming over to get involved is just a bit much. They deserve a slap on the wrist if nothing else.

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latest word says that the falcons coach is indeed going to be disciplined. Video shows him directly putting hands on Hall. If coaches put their hands on a player like that, angrily or attempt to hurt, i think they should be fired.....

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[quote=Ruhskins;623507]Given the reaction of the ATL sideline, either Landry would have gotten in an altercation with them or Hall. Either way the damage was done by Landry's late hit and the ATL's sideline response to the hit.

Although I actually think what Haynesworth did was helpful (he shoved half of the ATL sideline away from the Redskins player) he still got called for a PF.

In the end, this shouldn't have happened if Landry had not done something that has been a problem in his discipline since he was a rook. [B]What is upsetting is that fans like you have such biased opinion against Hall,[/B] that it takes away from the bigger picture of this situation. The league should punish both Hall and Smith, and the Redskins defensive coaching staff need to get on Landry's ass about the late hit.[/quote]

You're damn right I do. And he's given me every reason to be biased against him because of the things he's done since he's been here. Talk shit about the FO and your teammates, then tackle like a bitch and I'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt. He still needs to get his jock strap from the Jake Delhomme play. lol.

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The only thing that changed for me after this event was my level of respect for Mike Smith. You expect this kind of crap from Hall, if you've been paying attention. Now I expect this kind of behavior from Mike Smith as well.

The event was not just one persons fault, and shame on anyone who is trying to pin it on one party. It takes multiple douchebags to have an altercation as such, and they just happened to meet by chance on the Falcons sideline.

Nothing really terrible happened, and Hall has handled it properly post-game.

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[quote=skinsfan69;623515]You're damn right I do. And he's given me every reason to be biased against him because of the things he's done since he's been here. Talk shit about the FO and your teammates, then tackle like a bitch and I'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt. He still needs to get his jock strap from the Jake Delhomme play. lol.[/quote]

I've watched the guy since he came into the league, he has played with 3 different teams and it's the same old story. When will people wake up? Maybe after he's done all 32 teams? By the way the altercation started when he was jawing with 2 Falcons on the sideline and then he got dragged in. Who knows what he said?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;623517]I've watched the guy since he came into the league, he has played with 3 different teams and it's the same old story. When will people wake up? Maybe after he's done all 32 teams? By the way the altercation started when he was jawing with 2 Falcons on the sideline and then he got dragged in. Who knows what he said?[/quote]No winning organization wants anything to do with Hall. It's not his fault this is a bad team, but it's not a complete coincidence that the team that gave him $23 million to sign has a lot of holes and an entire ineffective offense.

Hall is neither the problem nor the solution, he's just a really marketable athlete on a really terrible football team. Still. Nothing has changed.

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Bottom line...Hall is a loser and you can't win with guys like him. This tool is on the radio right now talking about "I'm always going to give a 100%." WTF is he talking about??? Tackle someone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The more he talks the more I dislike him.

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[quote=skinsfan69;623529]Bottom line...Hall is a loser and you can't win with guys like him. This tool is on the radio right now talking about "I'm always going to give a 100%." WTF is he talking about??? Tackle someone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The more he talks the more I dislike him.[/quote]

He sucks at tackling, but I also want him to cover better and come up with picks. And the same goes for Rogers.

[quote=skinsfan69;623515]You're damn right I do. And he's given me every reason to be biased against him because of the things he's done since he's been here. Talk shit about the FO and your teammates, then tackle like a bitch and I'm not going to give him the benefit of the doubt. He still needs to get his jock strap from the Jake Delhomme play. lol.[/quote]

I don't have a problem or care that you have a biased opinion on Hall. I just hate that people like you are detracting from a bigger problem, Laron Landry. In the end, what Landry did cost the team 15 yds.

If you want to bitch about Hall, just bring up his HORRIBLE attempt at a tackle when Delhomme "juked" him. Or him getting burned or anything else he has screwed up on the field. I'll bitch right along side with you.

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[quote=Ruhskins;623549]He sucks at tackling, but I also want him to cover better and come up with picks. And the same goes for Rogers.



I don't have a problem or care that you have a biased opinion on Hall. I just hate that people like you are detracting from a bigger problem, Laron Landry. In the end, what Landry did cost the team 15 yds.

If you want to bitch about Hall, just bring up his HORRIBLE attempt at a tackle when Delhomme "juked" him. Or him getting burned or anything else he has screwed up on the field. I'll bitch right along side with you.[/quote]

I'm not detrating from Landry. He's a showboating loser.

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[quote=skinsfan69;623569]I'm not detrating from Landry. He's a showboating loser.[/quote]
I'm surprised that you don't have a job as an analyst with these wonderful breakdowns you provide us with daily. Maybe Vinny can hire you on when he goes to 980 full-time.

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What a classy interview, no wonder I like him so much. For a guy who's afraid of tackling do you think he can kick Mike Smith's ass? I put my money on Smith. He truly represents the kind of player of what's wrong with the Redskins. Time to clean house with these kind of guys, let's get back to Gibbs type of players.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;623618]What a classy interview, no wonder I like him so much. For a guy who's afraid of tackling do you think he can kick Mike Smith's ass? I put my money on Smith. He truly represents the kind of player of what's wrong with the Redskins. Time to clean house with these kind of guys, let's get back to Gibbs type of players.

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If tackling determines fighting skills, then I think Hall and Landry don't have a prayer.

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[quote=Ruhskins;623635]If tackling determines fighting skills, then I think Hall and Landry don't have a prayer.[/quote]

They're so rich, they would hire somebody to fight for them.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;623618]What a classy interview, no wonder I like him so much. For a guy who's afraid of tackling do you think he can kick Mike Smith's ass? I put my money on Smith. He truly represents the kind of player of what's wrong with the Redskins. Time to clean house with these kind of guys, let's get back to Gibbs type of players.

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Your anti-Hall axe to grind is really boring to keep reading.. I don't really get the level of hate for a guy on your team who will be around for at least the next 3 years.

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[quote=Paintrain;623669]Your anti-Hall axe to grind is really boring to keep reading.. I don't really get the level of hate for a guy on your team who will be around for at least the next 3 years.[/quote]

Is actually laughable at this point. I remember this guy complaining about Hall not falling on the ball during one of his INTs, instead of trying to run and make a play.

I honestly have no credibility when it comes to this guy's complains or criticisms about Hall. I mean Hall is no saint, but honestly, I have seen other players on the team do worst things this season. Sometimes people love to criticize, bitch, whine, and be miserable.

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Hall is not the problem he has more than half of our turnovers in the past 3 years.

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[quote=Ruhskins;623635]If tackling determines fighting skills, then I think Hall and Landry don't have a prayer.[/quote]

Well said. Now let's focus on issues on the field. Hall wouldn't be in the news if he hadn't showed negligence being on the Falcons sideline in the first place.

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[quote=Luxorreb;623697]Well said. Now let's focus on issues on the field. Hall wouldn't be in the news if he hadn't showed negligence being on the Falcons sideline in the first place.[/quote]

True, let's focus on why our highly drafted Safety can't tackle to save his life and why he keeps making stupid personal foul penalties that he's been doing since his rookie year.

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[quote=Luxorreb;623697]Well said. Now let's focus on issues on the field. Hall wouldn't be in the news if he hadn't showed negligence [B]being on the Falcons sideline in the first place[/B].[/quote]

i'm no d hall supporter but what the hell are you talking about, did you watch the play? for all those that say he had no bussiness being over there what should he have been doing? he was chasing the qb with the ball in his hands and the qb happened to go out of bounds on the falcons side line so guess what thats where he ended up too, seriously where should he have been?

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[quote=mlmdub130;623742]i'm no d hall supporter but what the hell are you talking about, did you watch the play? for all those that say he had no bussiness being over there what should he have been doing? he was chasing the qb with the ball in his hands and the qb happened to go out of bounds on the falcons side line so guess what thats where he ended up too, seriously where should he have been?[/quote]

Same point I made earlier as well, he was pursuing the play. Did he say something? probably, but it appears the atl. sideline took the thing much further than needed.

As for all the anti-Hall comments here, it's certainly no surprise. I was hoping he would turn his career around in DC, and I still am, but I never wanted us to sign him. His comments about it on Lavar's show might just further divide the locker room.

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per a tweet, AH is saying he was fined for his involvement. Didn't specify how much. I find that to be ridiculous if true, it only makes sense if his fine is like 5000, or less, and the ATL coaches (both that were involved) have fines of 20-30K. I gotta believe that would dent the strength and conditioning coach's pocket book.

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landry was fined also, had to know that was coming though

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Landry makes sense.

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He was a thug at VA Tech, a thug in Atlanta and Oakland, and he is a thug now. We all knew this would happen as soon as he got paid. Cut him and let's apply the money to youth, cause face it, we are starting over.

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so the falcons are collecting money to help mike smith pay for his fine, after watching the video and reading alot about it i hope mike smith and the strength coach get fined alot, and have possible suspensions, coaches should be held to a higher standard

[url=http://life.atlantafalcons.com/topic/3873689-the-official-coach-smith-finecharity-collections-information-current-total-97085/]THe OFFICIAL Coach Smith Fine/Charity Collections Information - Current total - $1,101.90 - FalconsLIFE[/url]

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[quote=mlmdub130;623932]so the falcons are collecting money to help mike smith pay for his fine, after watching the video and reading alot about it i hope mike smith and the strength coach get fined alot, and have possible suspensions, coaches should be held to a higher standard

[url=http://life.atlantafalcons.com/topic/3873689-the-official-coach-smith-finecharity-collections-information-current-total-97085/]THe OFFICIAL Coach Smith Fine/Charity Collections Information - Current total - $1,101.90 - FalconsLIFE[/url][/quote]

Are you f'ing kidding me??? :doh:

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[quote=mlmdub130;623932]so the falcons are collecting money to help mike smith pay for his fine, after watching the video and reading alot about it i hope mike smith and the strength coach get fined alot, and have possible suspensions, coaches should be held to a higher standard

[url=http://life.atlantafalcons.com/topic/3873689-the-official-coach-smith-finecharity-collections-information-current-total-97085/]THe OFFICIAL Coach Smith Fine/Charity Collections Information - Current total - $1,101.90 - FalconsLIFE[/url][/quote]

Seriously I don't know which is funnier, that they are doing this, or that they have almost 70% of what your Kapipal account for your sellourteam site has.

edit: they are now are at $1440. incredible.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;623949]Seriously I don't know which is funnier, that they are doing this, or that they have almost 70% of what your Kapipal account for your sellourteam site has.[/quote]
LOL !! Are the Falcons paying coach smith min. wage ??? Just curious , would any of you " donate " to " pay for Vinny " if he were fined for something ... I sure as hell wouldn't :)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;623949]Seriously I don't know which is funnier, that they are doing this, or that they have almost 70% of what your Kapipal account for your sellourteam site has.[/quote]

yeah we are gonna fail but it was fun while it lasted and i know our message got through to the front office, so in the end it was well worth it

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[quote=budw38;623953]LOL !! Are the Falcons paying coach smith min. wage ??? Just curious ,[B] would any of you " donate " to " pay for Vinny " if he were fined for something[/B] ... I sure as hell wouldn't :)[/quote]

I picked, but really what does it say about: fan base, attitude, ownership, and overall team health that one fan base is ponying up money to show their support for their coach and team, while another is ponying up money to put on a public display designed to embarrass the owner and franchise.

I know I've never been more embarrassed as a fan, both because of our owner, but also, and even more so, because of the fans who think that riding a media frenzy against our team somehow does anything other than add to the media embarrassment our team already is.