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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;632688]My bad, I guess being ranked the number one pass defense in football is meaningless.

To each his own.[/quote]

stats are what they are... stats
records show what a team is

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[quote=mlmdub130;632564][quote=Pocket$ $traight;632410]Landry is so far down the list of concerns it is comical. [B]He played like an all pro in the Dallas game[/B].
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you are acting like landry now, one decent game and he is an all pro, doubtful[/quote]

Brush up on beginner sentence comprehension and then come back to me. Not to mention you didn't even read the whole post.

Seriously?

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[quote=mlmdub130;632693]stats are what they are... stats
records show what a team is[/quote]

So our defensive secondary is why we are 3-8? <crickets chirping>

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;632410]Landry is so far down the list of concerns it is comical. He played like an all pro in the Dallas game.

I know he is inconsistent but the gap between him and all of the other safeties on our team is bigger than Strahan's teeth.

[B]Need I remind everyone that he is a key component to one of the top secondaries in football[/B].[/quote]

read it all still feel the same, and i read it all the first time. and if you want me to go futher into your post you are saying he is a key component in a statistically good d, but they do give up big plays, of which it is usually the safties fault(unless los is covering the receiver)

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Laron Landry should be locked in a room for 3 to 6 months to watch film of Darren Sharper...and then he should be forced to restructure his contract and work for a whole lot less...and then he must be forever banned from doing anything whatsoever after a play.

...seriously, Sharper has been resurrected in New Orleans and it's a blast to watch.

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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;632688]My bad, I guess being ranked the number one pass defense in football is meaningless.[/quote]It's not meaningless, just very, very close to it.

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I do not believe Laron Landry is a bust. His play has not improved in the past two seasons; that is for sure. But he has physical talent...


I suspect that he is not well used in many of the defensive coverages that the Skins run. Too often, he is the "guardian angel" of the defense sitting 25 yards off the ball looking to assist on pass routes to either side of the field. When the play demands that he come up to make a play, he often arrives out of control. I believe this is something that can be improved with better coaching/teaching/scheming.


If Laron Landry and his agent were willing to renegotiate a reasonable long-term deal with another team, I'd bet the Skins could get a 2nd or a 3rd round pick and a conditional 5th for him. I doubt he would bring a first round pick tho.


One more thing... Laron Landry was a lot better as the strong safety than he has been lately as the free safety. Maybe the Skins should put him back where he was more successful?

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The Skins are going to need a couple of "guardian angels" this week.

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he is still a terrible tackler. i dont care what position he is playing, he shouldnt be bouncing off of guys (avant). if he could tackle consistently then he would be fine. but his missed tackles give up big plays.

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Big C:

You are absoltutely right; his tackling technique is terrible and it does leave the Skins vulnerable to big plays that did not have to be.


However, I think at least part of that is lack of coaching and discipline imposed by the coaches...

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He goes in with his shoulder charge in trying to pop the ball loose but his angles are poor and timing is off. He will whiff those sort of tackles/plays 80% of the time, and leads to big plays since he is the last line of defense. I just hope he can settle for the less glitzy plays of just wrapping up the receiver and settle for a reception instead of trying to make a play.

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I think most of us compare our safties to a guy who may have been the best ever at his position. Laron is not an all pro, but he can play. He just needs to work on his fundamentals.

And he needs to remember he is not going to ever be Sean Taylor.

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If G. Williams was our D-coach Landry would be well on his way to being a top safety. Our safety's have regressed under "bend but dont break..stand 50 yards away from the line" Blache.

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[quote=Defensewins;633289]If G. Williams was our D-coach Landry would be well on his way to being a top safety. Our safety's have regressed under "bend but dont break..stand 50 yards away from the line" Blache.[/quote]

That's probably true, Gregg always know how to get best out of players.. Perhaps Gregg will persuade Saints to trade for Landry, that would be nice - to have extra 2nd rounder or maybe 1st round?

Although trading Landry will give us another problem to fill in; who would take over free safety if Landry is traded away, Horton and Doughty are not athletic enough.. There's a reason why Moore haven't played much..

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Regarding that #1 ranking against the pass, let's not forget some of the quarterbacks we've faced this year...

Manning (NYG) ranked #12
Bulger (STL) ranked #26
Stafford (DET) ranked # 20
Freeman (TB) ranked # 46
Delhomme (CAR) ranked #21
Cassel (KC) ranked #24
McNabb (PHI) ranked #19
Ryan (ATL) ranked # 18
Orton/Simms (DEN) Orton is #15, Simms is unranked
Romo ranked #7 -- so far, the highest ranked

So apart from Romo and maybe Eli Manning, we haven't exactly faced tough competition this year from opposing QBs. That changes this weekend, of course.

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^thats interesting, i'm guessing brees is number one

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[quote=Beemnseven;633300]Regarding that #1 ranking against the pass, let's not forget some of the quarterbacks we've faced this year...

Manning (NYG) ranked #12
Bulger (STL) ranked #26
Stafford (DET) ranked # 20
[B]Freeman (TB) ranked # 46[/B]
Delhomme (CAR) ranked #21
Cassel (KC) ranked #24
McNabb (PHI) ranked #19
Ryan (ATL) ranked # 18
Orton/Simms (DEN) Orton is #15, Simms is unranked
Romo ranked #7 -- so far, the highest ranked

So apart from Romo and maybe Eli Manning, we haven't exactly faced tough competition this year from opposing QBs. That changes this weekend, of course.[/quote]

Wow! 46!

Are these their rankings when they played us or now?

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[quote=SmootSmack;633340]Wow! 46!

Are these their rankings when they played us or now?[/quote]

No, those are current rankings. I didn't have the energy to look up what they were when they played us. I wouldn't think there'd be that much of a difference though. We've been fortunate to have played some struggling QBs this year.

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^not this weekend

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Regardless of their yardage rankings, which honestly doesn't tell us very much, we've played some quality QBs/passing attacks. Manning, Romo, McNabb, Ryan, are all very worthy opponents. And then there was Orton that was tearing us up prior to getting hurt.

I do think the #1 pass ranking is a bit misleading because most of the time teams are playing us with the lead, but honestly outside of some issues here and there with giving up the big play, the pass D has been pretty solid.

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^our pass d being "solid" could be also due to the fact our run d is pretty terrible, so they really have no need to pass

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Okay, if we go by current QB ratings (not yardage), then McNabb is the toughest we've faced at #10. Followed by Romo (#11), Eli (#13), Orton (#14), Matt Ryan (#20), Matt Cassel (#22), Bulger (#26), Stafford (#28) and Jake Delhomme (#31). Josh Freeman didn't even make the list.

I'm not saying our secondary is complete garbage, but I still maintain the schedule has been very kind to us with respect to the caliber of QBs we've faced.

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Sorry guys but i see Brees and Co giving our secondary many problems.

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we didnt play josh freeman. we played johnson i believe his name was.

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[quote=Big C;633539]we didnt play josh freeman. we played johnson i believe his name was.[/quote]

Josh Johnson. His first pro start after replacing Leftwich the week before.

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[quote=Buster;633879]Josh Johnson. His first pro start after replacing Leftwich the week before.[/quote]

yes. so all those who are quoting josh freeman's stats are mistaken to who we played against. johnson is worse.

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[quote=Mattyk72;633517]Regardless of their yardage rankings, which honestly doesn't tell us very much, we've played some quality QBs/passing attacks. Manning, Romo, McNabb, Ryan, are all very worthy opponents. And then there was Orton that was tearing us up prior to getting hurt.

I do think the #1 pass ranking is a bit misleading because most of the time teams are playing us with the lead, but honestly outside of some issues here and there with giving up the big play, the pass D has been pretty solid.[/quote]When I picked us to win 11 games this preseason, I did so because I knew we were playing Cassel, Delhomme, Leftwich/Freeman/(Johnson), Russell (now Gradkowski), Bulger, and Stafford all in the same year. Certainly, there was no guarentee we were going to win every single one of those games, and we haven't played the Raiders yet, but all those teams except one were able to get to double digits against us.

As a rule of thumb, I adjust yards per pass 0.2 over the course of a season for every well above average or well below average passing offense/defense that's played. Well, it hasn't been a whole season yet, but we're giving up 5.5 yards per pass against a league average of 6.2, which would put is 0.7 per pass attempt above the league average (that's a pretty big margin). That's 3rd best in the NFL. But we're the only team who has played 5 bad passing offenses in the same year (+1.0 YPA adjustment), and I would say we have yet to play a well above average passing offense.

That all changes this week. According to my rule of thumb, playing the Saints should force our season YPA on defense from 5.5 to 5.7, and if it doesn't, then we played much better or worse than we have this season. But, right now, our passing defense is averaging about a yard better per attempt simply because of the competition we've played. If we get to play against Drew Brees and Phillip Rivers, that will go a long way to helping the conventional stats match the opponent adjusted ones.

And those (not you Matty) who do think we have the No. 1 pass defense, well, then we should have no issue shutting down Drew Brees this week. Should be an even matchup.

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Laron Landry is not a bust, he is out of position. From what I saw today in the Saints game I feel we need to move Landry to Strong Safety. He can be legendary at his natural position.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;635753]Laron Landry is not a bust, he is out of position. From what I saw today in the Saints game I feel we need to [B][U]move Landry to Strong Safety.[/U][/B] He can be legendary at his natural position.[/quote]

Exactly what shouid but,won't happen. I agree.

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I agree he'd be better at SS, but I honestly think reed doughty is a much better tackler and that's what we need at our safety positions: consistency. I think we'd get a lot more out of jettisoning landry for a 2nd or 3rd rounder and letting doughty and horton split time at SS. Then draft a coverage safety with a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

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[quote=takethecake;635761]I agree he'd be better at SS, but I honestly think reed doughty is a much better tackler and that's what we need at our safety positions: consistency. I think we'd get a lot more out of jettisoning landry for a 2nd or 3rd rounder and letting doughty and horton split time at SS. Then draft a coverage safety with a 2nd or 3rd round pick.[/quote]Reed will never have Laron's talent, but he does a couple things much better:[LIST=1][*]He does his job - that is, he plays his assignment[*]He makes sure tackles instead of going for the blow-up hit[/LIST]I said it earlier, and I'll say it again - until Steve Jackson and other defensive coaches stop tolerating Landry's immaturity and total lack of discipline, he will continue to be a liability. I see a double standard here. Carlos Rogers gets beat on a double move, and he's pulled for the rest of the game. Not Landry. Amazing that one player is held accountable and the other is not. It sends an inconsistent message.

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Landry is a moron and I'm sick of his antics every time he makes a play, he thinks it's all about him and his look at me attitude which has worn out his welcome. I hope they trade his ass in the off season, we don't need players like that.

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[quote=SouperMeister;635813]Reed will never have Laron's talent, but he does a couple things much better:[LIST=1][*]He does his job - that is, he plays his assignment[*]He makes sure tackles instead of going for the blow-up hit[/LIST]I said it earlier, and I'll say it again - until Steve Jackson and other defensive coaches stop tolerating Landry's immaturity and total lack of discipline, he will continue to be a liability. I see a double standard here. Carlos Rogers gets beat on a double move, and he's pulled for the rest of the game. Not Landry. Amazing that one player is held accountable and the other is not. It sends an inconsistent message.[/quote]

Good points.

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[quote=SouperMeister;635813]Reed will never have Laron's talent, but he does a couple things much better:[LIST=1][*]He does his job - that is, he plays his assignment[*]He makes sure tackles instead of going for the blow-up hit[/LIST]I said it earlier, and I'll say it again - until Steve Jackson and other defensive coaches stop tolerating Landry's immaturity and total lack of discipline, he will continue to be a liability. I see a double standard here. Carlos Rogers gets beat on a double move, and he's pulled for the rest of the game. Not Landry. Amazing that one player is held accountable and the other is not. It sends an inconsistent message.[/quote]

I wish they would bench him. I as everyone else hate the constant blow up hits. Hell, even when he does hit someone how many times is it actually a decleater? The guy thinks to much about the hard hits and hardly ever delivers them.

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Anyone else notice how aggressive landry has been the past 3 weeks? Alos, how it's getting colder, but he took off his long sleeves he was wearing in the heat?

He also looks alot BIGGER now, and seem to be going for big hits rather then the ball.


I'm not going to shout steriods from the rooftops, but it looks fishy.

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[quote=Bucket;635826]Anyone else notice how aggressive landry has been the past 3 weeks? Alos, how it's getting colder, but he took off his long sleeves he was wearing in the heat?

He also looks alot BIGGER now, and seem to be going for big hits rather then the ball.


I'm not going to shout steriods from the rooftops, but it looks fishy.[/quote]

It doesn't seem that far-fetched...his immaturity would make him a prime candidate to try and solve his technique deficiencies with juice.

...his behavior is just more bizarre each week. Landry could get a taunting penalty every 30 seconds if the refs wanted to teach him a lesson....

And SouperMeister you are right there is def a double standard. Los gets hanged for doing what Landry does like every game now, sometimes twice a game. I'm starting to wonder if Gray, Blache and the like are just scared he'll go into a rage and make a spectacle of the whole sideline if they benched him for a gameday.

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[quote=Bucket;635826]Anyone else notice how aggressive landry has been the past 3 weeks? Alos, how it's getting colder, but he took off his long sleeves he was wearing in the heat?

He also looks alot BIGGER now, and seem to be going for big hits rather then the ball.


I'm not going to shout steriods from the rooftops, but it looks fishy.[/quote]
People can get that big naturally. It's not like he blew up out of nowhere. I guess that the possibility is there but I haven't seen anything to really back it up; he's always been a big hit guy and he's always hit the weight room hard, our coaches don't mind and encourage both of these.

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LL has always been big, maybe people didn't notice since he usually wears long sleeves. But he's always had the guns.

His game continues to be so inconsistent. Great play one series, boneheaded one the next.

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i wouldn't say wearing long sleeves and now not wearing them has any correlation to juicing. the long sleeves early on could have been the cool-max under armor stuff that is supposed to keep you cool.

i hope he's not juicing- can't trade a guy who's suspended because he tests positive.
i want him gone.

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There was a play yesterday in the 4th quarter that really stuck out for me. Saints ball 1st and ten and Drew completed a 7 yr pass with Laron making tackle to make it 2nd and three. A very simple play with a nice pickup for the Saints. Laron started to shake his head and talk smack to the Saints sideline as if it was a third down stoppage. His antics of flexing and talking smack have been wearing on me for sometime. He is a super freak athlete but not too bright. I don't think he is even a top 30 safety in the league. His hits are ferocious but his covergae skills are mediocre at best.