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[quote=skinsfan69;631925]Williams isn't a bad pick up but lets be real. Is this guy going to be able to be a 16 game starter? Probably not. I think he may be a nice back up but that's it. We're still going to need a LT, RG and RT.[/quote]

Yep, but you might as well add a center to that list.

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Well I hope we can get away with a 2nd round RT. So we can draft a first round QB. Levi Jones is going to have to play better for that to happen.

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[quote=Beemnseven;631934]Yep, but you might as well add a center to that list.[/quote]And LG if the plan is to be a dominant line. Dockery will never be an above average player again.

If the plan is to be an adequate line, you already have pieces to work with in Rinehart, Williams, and perhaps Heyer. But the team needs to add a tackle, if not two, and let go of the dead weight.

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[quote=skinsfan69;631925][B]Williams isn't a bad pick up but lets be real. Is this guy going to be able to be a 16 game starter? Probably not[/B]. I think he may be a nice back up but that's it. We're still going to need a LT, RG and RT.[/quote]
why don't you think he can be a starting center in this league?

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[quote=Beemnseven;631934]Yep, but you might as well add a center to that list.[/quote]

my thoughts exactly, and while we're at it, why not shore up LG...we could basically use an entirely new offensive line lol

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Realistically we're not going to be able to replace the entire OL in one offseason. We're definitely looking at new starters at RG and RT. Maybe Jones can hold down the LT spot as a stop gap measure. I think you can get by with Dock and Rabach (assuming you can re-sign him to a deal that makes sense).

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[quote=Mattyk72;632268]Realistically we're not going to be able to replace the entire OL in one offseason. We're definitely looking at new starters at RG and RT. Maybe Jones can hold down the LT spot as a stop gap measure. I think you can get by with Dock and Rabach (assuming you can re-sign him to a deal that makes sense).[/quote]
I agree Maty. I am hoping that we can get away with the people we have at RG. Draft a starting RT in the second and a project RG in the forth. That means QB in the first. Not sure what can be done in free agency, if there is no cap everyone becomes a restricted free agent.

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[quote=Mattyk72;632268]Realistically we're not going to be able to replace the entire OL in one offseason. We're definitely looking at new starters at RG and RT. Maybe Jones can hold down the LT spot as a stop gap measure. I think you can get by with Dock and Rabach (assuming you can re-sign him to a deal that makes sense).[/quote]

Given the bad luck we've had with o-linemen picked up in the later rounds and as UFAs, I think we need to pick up a first round tackle next year. Health-wise, Jones may be a better options for the Redskins than Samuels (given that Samuels is one strong hit from long term injury), and we could do what the Ravens did with Oher and stick our first-round rookie tackle at RT. Hopefully Williams can pan out at RG and with a healthy/older/wiser Rhinehart we can be set at that position.

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[quote=dmek25;632251]why don't you think he can be a starting center in this league?[/quote]

I hope he turnes out to be an effective 10 year starter for us cause god knows we need to find a diamond in the rough. But I just hope they're not counting on an undrafted free agent to be a starter.

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[quote=skinsfan69;632306]I hope he turnes out to be an effective 10 year starter for us cause god knows we need to find a diamond in the rough.[B] But I just hope they're not counting on an undrafted free agent to be a starter[/B].[/quote]

:laughing- Isn't that what we do? It's the Redskin way. How do you think our 0-line got so formidable? :laughing2

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[quote=skinsfan69;632306]I hope he turnes out to be an effective 10 year starter for us cause god knows we need to find a diamond in the rough. But I just hope they're not counting on an undrafted free agent to be a starter.[/quote]

He could be the next Joe Jacoby!

In all seriousness though, it didn't sound like Zorn was too thrilled with Edwin Williams' performance yesterday and Mike Williams could be back in the starting lineup next week.

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Our running game looks halfway decent now that Portis isn't playing. So maybe Bugel is doing his job with these UDFAs on the line. Maybe Portis...no, I don't even want to talk about the guy. I just wish we had Champ Bailey back, but I can wish forever and it won't happen. Right now I'm wishing that we've seen the last of Vinny, but we might have to see both of them next year and hope that Portis doesn't go back into his sabotage mode. He tried his best to undermine Jim Zorn when I was a Zorn fan. Ended up that Zorn himself did a good job of that.

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Is anyone else beginning to see a reason why Mike Williams was out of the NFL for several years and why none of the other 31 teams spent the summer months beating down Levi Jones' door to come and play for them?


The title of this thread invites discussion of the offensive line and so...


Let me [B]assume[/B] for a moment that Chris Samuels actually retires at the end of this year. I don't wish that on him, but [B]assume[/B] that for the moment.


Look at the other offensive linemen on this roster. Which of them would qualify under the following heading :

[INDENT][B]"Starter For More Than Half The Teams In The NFL"[/B][/INDENT]

Maybe Dockery. Maybe not...

Maybe Thomas if he recovers fully. Maybe not...


I think that's the list. Even in an uncapped year, the rejuvenation of the OL will be a most difficult task.

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[quote=SmootSmack;632369]He could be the next Joe Jacoby!

In all seriousness though, [B]it didn't sound like Zorn was too thrilled with Edwin Williams' performance[/B] yesterday and Mike Williams could be back in the starting lineup next week.[/quote]
what do we do if we aren't to thrilled with Zorn's performance?

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Turns out Edwin didn't play good enough..

[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/mike-williams-may-replace-edwi.html]Redskins Insider - Mike Williams may replace Edwin Williams[/url]

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too bad MW can't play left tackle

maybe I wasn't watching close enough but EW looked alright to me, but then again when Rinehart looked like he was getting it they replaced him too.. only to do it again

I wonder how much Zorn consults with Bugel about who should be starting

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[quote=GridIron26;632551]Turns out Edwin didn't play good enough..

[URL="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/mike-williams-may-replace-edwi.html"]Redskins Insider - Mike Williams may replace Edwin Williams[/URL][/quote]

Let MW replace EW so he can replace CR.

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mike williams will start over edwin williams according to the skins website, don't know if this is good or bad for us i'd almost like to see the younger williams get more work and experience, why not pull out stephon"false start"heyer

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[quote=mlmdub130;633992]mike williams will start over edwin williams according to the skins website, don't know if this is good or bad for us i'd almost like to see the younger williams get more work and experience, why not pull out stephon"false start"heyer[/quote]Big Mike can't actually play the tackle position. But Guard is something he can handle.

I know they want to get a look at a bunch of different guys, but I also have no idea what the heck they are doing on the OL. Mike Williams is 29, he'll be 30 next year, and he's just not that good.

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I think Bruce Allen sees that elephant in the room that Vinny couldnt see...and I think Danny Boy does as well has already taken the check book out and is ready to start writing....My ideal Oline next year:

Marcus McNeil (LT), Dock (LG), Jeff Byers (Rookie) (C), Jahri Evans (LG), Trent Williams (Rookie) (RT).

Bench: Reinhart, Heyer, E. Williams, Levi Jones

New check cashers McNeil and Evans would be significant upgrades at their positions. Evans may be tough to pry away from Saints. Byers would be a nice grab in 4th round and is probably the most talented Center in the draft getting rid of hold over from the Gibbs era Rabach...I think Russell Okung probably gone by the 3rd pick so Trent Williams at his natural RT position would be a fit for us.

Anybody else gotta better Oline ideas? Post it

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i like that scenario, except why not Williams a starter at center? at least he would have one season under his belt. i was hoping he would play some center, so the skins would know if they have something

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[quote=dmek25;646891]i like that scenario, except why not Williams a starter at center? at least he would have one season under his belt. i was hoping he would play some center, so the skins would know if they have something[/quote]

I just think if Skins are going to commit to a Center pick they do so with the understanding he is talented enough to start. They got Williams and went ahead and developed him with some Guard experience which is great cause of roster value. Hell, Beyers may show that ability as well. I mos def think Williams and Beyers would battle it out for that position, think USC rookie is just better.

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[quote=Chico23231;646883]I think Bruce Allen sees that elephant in the room that Vinny couldnt see...and I think Danny Boy does as well has already taken the check book out and is ready to start writing....My ideal Oline next year:

Marcus McNeil (LT), Dock (LG), Jeff Byers (Rookie) (C), Jahri Evans (LG), Trent Williams (Rookie) (RT).

Bench: Reinhart, Heyer, E. Williams, Levi Jones

New check cashers McNeil and Evans would be significant upgrades at their positions. Evans may be tough to pry away from Saints. Byers would be a nice grab in 4th round and is probably the most talented Center in the draft getting rid of hold over from the Gibbs era Rabach...I think Russell Okung probably gone by the 3rd pick so Trent Williams at his natural RT position would be a fit for us.

Anybody else gotta better Oline ideas? Post it[/quote]

imo you dont take a natural right tackle in the top 5 picks. if you want williams, trade down and get him in the 10-15 range, which to me is still high for a right tackle, but not nearly as much of a reach.

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[quote=Big C;646912]imo you dont take a natural right tackle in the top 5 picks. if you want williams, trade down and get him in the 10-15 range, which to me is still high for a right tackle, but not nearly as much of a reach.[/quote]

I would agree with that. Yeah a trade down would be ideal. Bradford, Berry, maybe even McKoy or the wide out from Ok State could be on someone rader for a trade to our position. It would be mighty damn fine to pick up an extra 2nd round pick.

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How did Levi Jones play?

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Why did they play Will Montgomery, and not Edwin Williams who has shown that he is a better player

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[quote=t.o.killa;647118]how did levi jones play?[/quote]

scoreboard

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[quote=diehardskin2982;647131]Why did they play Will Montgomery, and not Edwin Williams who has shown that he is a better player[/quote]Williams was inactive. The team is deathly afraid of having Rabach injured and having to put in a center that doesn't know the line calls. They are much happier with a center who consistently makes the wrong line calls.

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he has played some time at gaurd though correct? He has expierence in the game, so I find very dumb to not dress him

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He's not the solution for this team. I think we should keep him just because he has experience. But we still have to address the LT position.

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Levi still thinks that he's a starting left tackle; if he doesn't want to accept the role as a backup or a shift to the right side of the line you've gotta say goodbye. Otherwise, we'll let the next regime figure it out.

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Paul Fanaika anyone?

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You all may not be happy with Levi's play as well as me but I'm interested in how he does in a Shanny OL. Levi even said he has not used the type of blocking style we use since college. He said he would have to learn it all over again or get adjusted to our scheme. Which tells me he used something else possibly similar to what Shanny uses maybe not.

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[quote=SBXVII;647860]You all may not be happy with Levi's play as well as me but I'm interested in how he does in a Shanny OL. Levi even said he has not used the type of blocking style we use since college. He said he would have to learn it all over again or get adjusted to our scheme. Which tells me he used something else possibly similar to what Shanny uses maybe not.[/quote]

I think Jones' unfamiliarity has been with the zone blocking techniques, which is what Shanahan uses

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I didn't want to start a whole new thread but we IR'd Mike Williams and Doughty today, bring our IR list total to 12.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-redskins-moves&prov=ap&type=lgns]Redskins put OL Williams, S Doughty on IR - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[quote=Lotus;647865]I didn't want to start a whole new thread but we IR'd Mike Williams and Doughty today, bring our IR list total to 12.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-redskins-moves&prov=ap&type=lgns]Redskins put OL Williams, S Doughty on IR - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url][/quote]

Yeah I didn't want to start a new thread either...that's why I wrote PJ Hill under my name

Thank goodness the season ends on Sunday

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Thanks Smoot.

Also Doughty was reported to only have a sprain. Suck it up Doughty put some tape on it. :)

I guess this give some other young player a chance to be evaluated.

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A high ankle sprain is a whole different animal vs. your typical ankle sprain.

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[quote=Mattyk;647877]A high ankle sprain is a whole different animal vs. your typical ankle sprain.[/quote]

Yeah it involves more severe connective tissue damage located in a spot that gets lower blood flow. Connective tissue takes a long time to heal in the first place and without good blood flow it can take months. A bad one will knock a player out 8 weeks or more. It can even require surgery.