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It may be easier on everyone when all the facts are gathered and a summation rendered in it's entirety. There will come a time when all the things that have been speculated on will become clear. Unfounded conclusions IMO are not proper at this particular time.

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My problem with all of this is that there needs to be some rule where injured players cannot just leave their team unexcused. I thought after Sean died, Goodell might make a rule that says all players must travel with the team or stay home in their respective cities. If both Henry and Taylor had stayed with the team or in their team city both might still be alive.

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[quote=vallin21;641869]My problem with all of this is that there needs to be some rule where injured players cannot just leave their team unexcused. I thought after Sean died, Goodell might make a rule that says all players must travel with the team or stay home in their respective cities. If both Henry and Taylor had stayed with the team or in their team city both might still be alive.[/quote]

I agree...It's called accountability.

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[quote=vallin21;641869]My problem with all of this is that there needs to be some rule where injured players cannot just leave their team unexcused. I thought after Sean died, Goodell might make a rule that says all players must travel with the team or stay home in their respective cities. If both Henry and Taylor had stayed with the team or in their team city both might still be alive.[/quote]

So Sean Taylor, asleep in his house with his family at a reasonable hour at night, is something that could have and should have been prevented?

WTF.

The dude was sleeping in his house with his family when someone broke in. How can you possibly be doing anything more responsible than that??

Henry made a bad decision to get in the back of a truck during a dispute, and it cost him. But all either of these guys were doing when they died was spending time with their family. Are you seriously suggesting players would be more safe if they didn't spend time with their family?

This is just retarded.

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They're adults.............get serious

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[quote=Schneed10;641886]So Sean Taylor, asleep in his house with his family at a reasonable hour at night, is something that could have and should have been prevented?

WTF.

The dude was sleeping in his house with his family when someone broke in. How can you possibly be doing anything more responsible than that??

[B]Henry made a bad decision to get in the back of a truck during a dispute, and it cost him.[/B] But all either of these guys were doing when they died was spending time with their family. Are you seriously suggesting players would be more safe if they didn't spend time with their family?

This is just retarded.[/quote]

Are you serious? Taylor went back to Miami w/o telling anyone and [B]unarmed[/B] after the same dudes broke in 2 wks earlier. Either grab something other than a machete or get the fuck out of Miami. Had he done either he would be alive.

No shit Henry made a mistake it cost him his life. It's not the offseason man yeah they're grown adults but they work for their team, and neither called to let anyone know. Before you bitch, think about how either one had made a different choice at their TOD. We know their grown men but Taylor bringing his family to Miami especially when those moromns broke in 2wks earlier and had not been caught wasn't smart. Henry coming to Carolina and then jumping into a moving truck isn't smart. Do you see the similarities? They both left their teams w/o calling them.
Damn bro chill, It's a freakin suggestion don't spaz out:)

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[quote=vallin21;641869]My problem with all of this is that there needs to be some rule where injured players cannot just leave their team unexcused. I thought after Sean died, Goodell might make a rule that says all players must travel with the team or stay home in their respective cities. If both Henry and Taylor had stayed with the team or in their team city both might still be alive.[/quote]

Why not form an NFL baby sitting service for all players 24/7 365 days a year. They could hold their hands when they go the bathroom, wipes their a$$, their nose, and tuck them into bed every night.

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Spazzing out is the problem.
We are talking about adults acting like children.
All of these terrible situations and few others not mentioned could have easily been avoided if calmer heads had prevailed. Tiger Woods and the Chris Henry situation were confrontations that escalated out of control. Tiger is lucky he did not get hurt more seriously.
Rather than two adults walking away from a heated confrontation with each other and waiting until both are calm enough to deal with the situation, instead confrontation that leads to violence takes place and escalates.
I think it speaks more to the culture of violence and macho one upsmanship.
'You cheated on me so I am going hit on the head with a golf club.' and potentially kill you.
Somewhere along the line a person puts their pride ahead of someones life.

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[quote=Defensewins;641915]Spazzing out is the problem.
We are talking about adults acting like children.
All of these terrible situations and few others not mentioned could have easily been avoided if calmer heads had prevailed. Tiger Woods and the Chris Henry situation were confrontations that escalated out of control. Tiger is lucky he did not get hurt more seriously.
Rather than two adults walking away from a heated confrontation with each other and waiting until both are calm enough to deal with the situation, instead confrontation that leads to violence takes place and escalates.
I think it speaks more to the culture of violence and macho one upsmanship.
'You cheated on me so I am going hit on the head with a golf club.' and potentially kill you.
Somewhere along the line a person puts their pride ahead of someones life.[/quote]

Amen man

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[quote=vallin21;641869]My problem with all of this is that there needs to be some rule where injured players cannot just leave their team unexcused. I thought after Sean died, Goodell might make a rule that says all players must travel with the team or stay home in their respective cities. If both Henry and Taylor had stayed with the team or in their team city both might still be alive.[/quote]
In principle it's a good idea, but that should probably be up to each individual club in my opinion. Wasn't Sean going to get a second opinion from his preferred specialist?

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[quote=vallin21;641902]Are you serious? Taylor went back to Miami w/o telling anyone and [B]unarmed[/B] after the same dudes broke in 2 wks earlier. Either grab something other than a machete or get the fuck out of Miami. Had he done either he would be alive.

No shit Henry made a mistake it cost him his life. It's not the offseason man yeah they're grown adults but they work for their team, and neither called to let anyone know. Before you bitch, think about how either one had made a different choice at their TOD. We know their grown men but Taylor bringing his family to Miami especially when those moromns broke in 2wks earlier and had not been caught wasn't smart. Henry coming to Carolina and then jumping into a moving truck isn't smart. Do you see the similarities? They both left their teams w/o calling them.
Damn bro chill, It's a freakin suggestion don't spaz out:)[/quote]

Sean was not able to own a gun at the time I'm pretty sure. So he was actually complying with the law though he probably could've kept one in his home without being found out... that was being pretty responsible.

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No offense to any of our female members but these women are killing their men! First Mcnair and now this, is some conflict resolution workshops in the future of the NFL?
Someone needs to talk to these guys about what to do in a dispute and how to handle themselves in the right way, granted if my Fiance jumped in the bed of the truck and im driving off I'd slow down and she should have, you can agree or disagree with me if want but She didn't even dial 911 for him. Ugh..am i the only one that thinks that the woman can't really be seen as the victim here?

I'm not for beating on Women or anything I just think the media is trying to put a spin on this or a slant if you will that isn't right murder is murder assault is assault!

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[quote=tryfuhl;641950]In principle it's a good idea, but that should probably be up to each individual club in my opinion. Wasn't Sean going to get a second opinion from his preferred specialist?[/quote]

I think he just went down there to heal and check out the problem, though I might be wrong. Saying should be up to the teams to make a rule is a better idea. I don't think thats "babying" grown men, because it could prevent future deaths like this from happening. I don't think the NBA hasn't had any in season deaths and injured guys still travel with the team I think.

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[quote=pg86;641990]No offense to any of our female members but these women are killing their men! First Mcnair and now this, is some conflict resolution workshops in the future of the NFL?
Someone needs to talk to these guys about what to do in a dispute and how to handle themselves in the right way, granted if my Fiance jumped in the bed of the truck and im driving off I'd slow down and she should have, you can agree or disagree with me if want but She didn't even dial 911 for him. Ugh..am i the only one that thinks that the woman can't really be seen as the victim here?

I'm not for beating on Women or anything I just think the media is trying to put a spin on this or a slant if you will that isn't right murder is murder assault is assault![/quote]

Good post bro. And this issue needs to be addressed because top players are being targeted, or killed by there woman. It doesn't do the league any good to sit and take a deaf ear until someone else gets killed. For some reason this is not happenig in the NBA, The league where most people would suspect to have these issues.

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The first 911 tape released had a guy calling in because of erractic driving...he saw a pickup swerving all over the road....then he saw Chris in the back, so its obvious she was trying to throw him off...i can't believe people are missing that point. Now that he died, how can that not be homicide, even if it was in self defense?

Chris was beating on the truck she said, on the second tape released...so he wasnt happy but either way, his fiancee is the reason he is dead. facts are facts. He may have tried to kill her once she stopped...but she decided that he was too dangerous to be kept alive...after he was slung out, she didnt even call 911 on him...so that proves she wanted him to die....

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[quote=SolidSnake84;642001]The first 911 tape released had a guy calling in because of erractic driving...he saw a pickup swerving all over the road....then he saw Chris in the back, so its obvious she was trying to throw him off...i can't believe people are missing that point. Now that he died, how can that not be homicide, even if it was in self defense?

Chris was beating on the truck she said, on the second tape released...so he wasnt happy but either way, [B]his fiancee is the reason he is dead.[/B] facts are facts. He may have tried to kill her once she stopped...but she decided that he was too dangerous to be kept alive...after he was slung out, she didnt even call 911 on him...so that proves she wanted him to die....[/quote]

You guys are missing the point. The fault lies with both of these supposed adults involved. I use the word adult loosely.
Chris should have never jumped on the back of the truck and started pounding on it. A human life (yours) is more valuable than a pickup truck or an ATV or getting disrespected. The women inside is half his size and strength of an elite adult male NFL football player. She was most likely scared for her life.
I am sure if a guy twice your size and strength jumped on you car and started pounding on it you would be scared as well.
These people made very bad decisions while in an out of control rage. Plain and simple. Nobody is more or less at fault in this situation. They both made bad decisions that they now regret. As I am sure Tiger and his wife now regret. It should never have reached that level of violence. One of them should have backed off.

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[url=http://www.playerpress.com/articles/6633-chris-henry-s-death-was-it-suicide-or-manslaughter]Chris Henry's Death: Was it Suicide or Manslaughter? | PlayerPress.com | Sports Commentary, News, Blogs, Photos, Videos by Pro Athletes and Fans[/url]

This is the most informative article yet...Chris Henry's death, according to eyewitnesses, and neighbors, was most definatley not accidental. Read the article.

Shocking...Chris was threatening to kill himself....

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Sh!t... the fiancee was Tongan!!! tsk... tsk... bad publicity for the Kingdom.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;642017][URL="http://www.playerpress.com/articles/6633-chris-henry-s-death-was-it-suicide-or-manslaughter"]Chris Henry's Death: Was it Suicide or Manslaughter? | PlayerPress.com | Sports Commentary, News, Blogs, Photos, Videos by Pro Athletes and Fans[/URL]

This is the most informative article yet...Chris Henry's death, according to eyewitnesses, and neighbors, was most definatley not accidental. Read the article.

Shocking...Chris was threatening to kill himself....[/quote]

interesting reports

while speculating and talking out of our asses in this thread I'll say that he was likely mad about her acting spoiled about what she wanted for the wedding and she thought that she deserved to have every penny spent on her that she wanted

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Thats what it seems like.....the lady just wanted to be spoiled because she probably figured that Chris would make all the money....and some of the NFL guys just can't seem to stay away from it....like Travis Henry....he had 9 kids by 9 different woman, and child support basically robbed him of everything that he would have ever made in the NFL...

Somebody needs to educate these players about making good choices, obviously....

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Chad Ochocinco wants to wear his friend's #15 in the next game but as we know from Portis' attempt to wear #21, it was denied by the NFL.

I still expect Chad to ignore the league and just pay the fine to do it.

Some people are claiming he's doing it to promote himself, but I actually think Chad is doing this to honor his friend. I saw him in an interview last night and he was clearly shaken by the loss.

He may be a crazy attention whore, but in reality, he doesn't commit crimes, hurt anyone or disrespect anyone while having his fun. He's a show-boater, but a different breed than we're used to. He's more like a class clown than arrogant jerk who wants to embarrass and crush everyone around him. If anything, he seeks to embarrass himself instead of others.

I've never been a fan of his and glad the rumors of him coming to the Skins last year fell through, but I can't run him down after losing a friend. He's not doing anything flamboyant to profit on Henry's identity and death, he just wants to wear his number to honor him. When Portis wanted to do the same after Taylor's death, I understood the reasoning behind it. Maybe since I'm a Skins fan who knows what it is like to lose a player, but I have some sympathy for the Bengals and Ochocinco in this situation.

I say go for it, Chad. Pay the fine and honor your friend the way you want to.

They're wearing helmet stickers too.
[url=http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Run-to-daylight-cut-down/19f6a02a-9ee4-4b7a-b137-45f97408bf88]Run to daylight cut down[/url]

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What is with the NFL that are such number Nazi's?
Who cares what number someone wears as long as they can be identified by that number?

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[quote=SolidSnake84;641742]More news this morning says that she did drive off and leave him after she saw that he had fallen off.

There is also a 911 tape of her calling 911 when he jumped in the truck, but the audio has not been released.

listening to reports from the crime scene investigators, they are roughly 90% sure of what happened. The tire marks in the road indicate clearly that she was deliberatley swerving to try and throw him off, which she succeeded in doing. They also said speed is a factor and he may have had less serious injuries had he fallen off at a slower speed. Apparantley she was going pretty fast..

Looks like just a matter of time before she is charged with manslaughter. It's not 1st degree murder, but at the very least it could be negligent homicide, etc....[/quote]

EDIT
Someone already posted what I said...

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[quote=SolidSnake84;642017][url=http://www.playerpress.com/articles/6633-chris-henry-s-death-was-it-suicide-or-manslaughter]Chris Henry's Death: Was it Suicide or Manslaughter? | PlayerPress.com | Sports Commentary, News, Blogs, Photos, Videos by Pro Athletes and Fans[/url]

This is the most informative article yet...Chris Henry's death, according to eyewitnesses, and neighbors, was most definatley not accidental. Read the article.

Shocking...Chris was threatening to kill himself....[/quote]

Very twisted. Good post.

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[quote=Buster;642058]Chad Ochocinco wants to wear his friend's #15 in the next game but as we know from Portis' attempt to wear #21, it was denied by the NFL.

I still expect Chad to ignore the league and just pay the fine to do it.

Some people are claiming he's doing it to promote himself, but I actually think Chad is doing this to honor his friend. I saw him in an interview last night and he was clearly shaken by the loss.

He may be a crazy attention whore, but in reality, he doesn't commit crimes, hurt anyone or disrespect anyone while having his fun. He's a show-boater, but a different breed than we're used to. He's more like a class clown than arrogant jerk who wants to embarrass and crush everyone around him. If anything, he seeks to embarrass himself instead of others.

I've never been a fan of his and glad the rumors of him coming to the Skins last year fell through, but I can't run him down after losing a friend. He's not doing anything flamboyant to profit on Henry's identity and death, he just wants to wear his number to honor him. When Portis wanted to do the same after Taylor's death, I understood the reasoning behind it. Maybe since I'm a Skins fan who knows what it is like to lose a player, but I have some sympathy for the Bengals and Ochocinco in this situation.

I say go for it, Chad. Pay the fine and honor your friend the way you want to.

They're wearing helmet stickers too.
[URL="http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Run-to-daylight-cut-down/19f6a02a-9ee4-4b7a-b137-45f97408bf88"]Run to daylight cut down[/URL][/quote]

They just discussed this on the NFL network and come on do you really think Ochocinco gives a flying F**k what Roger says he can and can't do as far as that goes!?
Chad already said they can take my whole paycheck
Can we get a Bengals fan in here to let us know if he does it lol

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[quote=jsarno;642189]EDIT
Someone already posted what I said...[/quote]
2nd degree murder in the state of california along with a reckless driving charge and Vehicular manslaugter.

And for the sake of them kids I hope they don't remember this....I know that sounds harsh but they are gonna need some help.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;642056]Thats what it seems like.....the lady just wanted to be spoiled because she probably figured that Chris would make all the money....and some of the NFL guys just can't seem to stay away from it....like Travis Henry....he had 9 kids by 9 different woman, and child support basically robbed him of everything that he would have ever made in the NFL...

Somebody needs to educate these players about making good choices, obviously....[/quote]
See my earlier post about that.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;641742]More news this morning says that she did drive off and leave him after she saw that he had fallen off.

There is also a 911 tape of her calling 911 when he jumped in the truck, but the audio has not been released.

listening to reports from the crime scene investigators, they are roughly 90% sure of what happened. The tire marks in the road indicate clearly that she was deliberatley swerving to try and throw him off, which she succeeded in doing. They also said speed is a factor and he may have had less serious injuries had he fallen off at a slower speed. Apparantley she was going pretty fast..

Looks like just a matter of time before she is charged with manslaughter. It's not 1st degree murder, but at the very least it could be negligent homicide, etc....[/quote]

I found it interesting that he ended up a half a mile away from the 911 caller.

I will keep my initial feelings about her to myself because all the facts are not known. But look at it this way. If there is a silver lining in all of this his kids (and or family depending on where he resides) will receive his assets and she has no rights as a spouse.

The prison guards will give her the treatment that she deserves.

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Im sorry for my negativity in this thread about the Tonga lady, but it just seems too obvious from hearing people talk over the last 24 hours...especially the people who knew them.

You have all drawn your own conclusions, but me not even being a Crime Scene investigator can pretty much see the black and white in this case..

Add up everything we know so far...the 911 calls...the witnesses who saw Tonga's crazy driving...and the fact that if it were an 'accident' she would have surely called 911 when she saw Chris go out of the truck/jump whatever...

We know they were arguing about wedding cost. Apparantley it looked like she was trying to pull a fast one on Henry with the expensive photographer, etc.. (Henry had no idea of the cost). It seems too cut and dry here. I'm not saying she's a gold digger...but come on seriously. She had 3 kids and Chris was a father figure and more likely, an easy meal ticket.

Last i heard today, its only a matter of time before charges are filed on her. Likely 2nd degree manslaughter, failing to report an accident, etc....we will see what the homicide investigators decide...

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Praying for his family, Bengals organization, and fans he left behind. Thoughts and prayers are with him.

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Crazy ending in the Cincy game. Just like right after we lost Sean (before we buried him), the Bengals lose on a last second field goal. My heart goes out to those guys.

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[quote=GMScud;643105]Crazy ending in the Cincy game. Just like right after we lost Sean (before we buried him), the Bengals lose on a last second field goal. My heart goes out to those guys.[/quote]

ocho looked sick to his stomach watching the chargers drive down the feild not being able to do anything, damn good game though, but you gotta feel for those guys