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IF we are going to get a big name defensive player that is great, but it should be a DB or LB. Rolle would be a great acquisition for us!!!!! Get Rolle and draft a LB or another DB in the latter rounds.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;667752]I am going to assume the guys we are 'high"on are Dansby, Dunta R., and Sproles out of the top guys available.

Hoping Ryan Clark is on that list as well.

Now I have no clue as to what the FO is going to do about the offense yet.[/quote]

Absolutely, Most Definitely, Certainly, Not So Much

I suspect thought that if things go as they hope there will probably be more big names going out than coming in

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[quote=The Goat;667768]That's encouraging...signing Peppers would be just like old time. The bad old times.[/quote]

I don't think we need him here but if we did sign him it would be at a much lower rate than he's expecting to get. And I'm sure he'll find what he's looking for.

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Peppers has been slightly better then people give him credit for. I mean he had a down year in 2007 but that was the year the Panthers got rid of their own double team magnet in Kris Jenkins. I mean the man got 14.5 sacks in 2008 and 10.5 last year being practically double teamed all the time. However given the fact that Peppers likely isn't coming here then I guess most of this discussion is a moot point.

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[quote=SmootSmack;667771][B]Absolutely, Most Definitely[/B], Certainly, Not So Much

I suspect thought that if things go as they hope there will probably be more big names going out than coming in[/quote]

Thank you. Music to my ears.

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Peppers is way down on my wish list of FA's for the skins

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^
i agree.

But if we nab em i wont complain.

Hell either be a bust FINANCIALLY only.. or pay big dividends on the field.
But were talking about JULIUS PEPPERS... and hes got plenty of gas in the tank.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;667628]Yeah i argue with the Panther fans. The guy is dominant we will see this year how the Panthers look without him. Teams can avoid him but it limits what they can do on offense. Again they wanted 2 first rounders for him. That says enough to me.[/quote]


If Carolina stole 2 first rounders from someone last year, that would have been the steal of the century. I am telling you people that he isn't worth all the hype.

He had good personel on the D in Carolina, so it wasn't like he was getting doubled all the time. They have pretty damn good LB's and a decent D line. Hell a few years ago they were considered one of the best D lines in the business with chris Jenkins in the middle. The guy is just....Lazy i guess is a word that comes to mind. The season before last, Carolina was trying to take advantage of his athletisism and dropping him in coverage from time to time, and one he stunk, but two he couldn't stand it. Which is what got him asking for the outs in Carolina. His past few years here have been so up and down. He would dominate a game with 3 sacks, force a fumble, get some tackles, then you wouldn't here his name for 3 or 4 games. HE is a moody athlete. I would rather us spend the money on some Oline depth, god knows we have had some history of olineman staying healthy.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;667774]Peppers has been slightly better then people give him credit for. I mean he had a down year in 2007 but that was the year the Panthers got rid of their own double team magnet in Kris Jenkins. I mean the man got 14.5 sacks in 2008 and 10.5 last year being practically double teamed all the time. However given the fact that Peppers likely isn't coming here then I guess most of this discussion is a moot point.[/quote]


I dont see where people keep saying Peppers was doubled all year. Trust me dude, he was not. The last two seasons all people did around here is bitch about Peppers and why he couldn't get past the single lineman, or TE. he was not doubled near as much as people are saying. Carolina is actually really really really glad to see him go. They are tired of his attitude, his so/so play, and overall seemingly lack of interest. He wasn't a leader. Hell he was even called out in the locker room/radio show by a second year LB....Jon Beason. Who by the way is the next Ray Lewis. This guy is a monster, but I digress... Beason called out peppers and said he needed to play 100% all the time and stop being lazy. That is from a second year guy!! Beason is the leader of the D. What does that say about Peppers??

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I am hoping this is just one of those rumors that some big name is coming to the skins because the Skins always sign for crazy money. Hopeful Bruce Allen sees this is a waste of money, this guy reeks of Jason Taylor part two.

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Smoot,

What will we do about the safety position? I am really interested to see what comes out of Ashburn and what goes in. Is there truth to the Landry leaving rumors?

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Remember I said it Kyle Van Donbosh to the skins....Not peppers

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[quote=SmootSmack;667771]

I suspect thought that if things go as they hope there will probably be more big names going out than coming in[/quote]

Does this mean we plan on cutting several big name guys or hoping we can trade them?

Assuming we switch to a 3-4 and Shanahan doesn't like Campbell, i'd love to see:

[B][U]"Big Name" Signings[/U][/B][LIST][*]Karlos Dansby[*]Dunta Robinson[*]Darren Sproels[*]Kevin Walter[/LIST]
[B][U]"Big Name" Cuts[/U][/B][LIST][*]Clinton Portis[*]Randy Thomas[*]Randel El[*]Rock Cartwright[*]Todd Collins[*]Fred Smoot[*]Cornelius Griffin[*]Reynaldo Wynn[/LIST]
[B][U]Traded*[/U][/B][LIST][*]Laron Landry - 3rd and 4th Round Picks[*]Santana Moss - 3rd Round Pick[*]Jason Campbell - 3rd and 4th Round Picks[*]Andre Carter - 4th Round Pick[*]Carlos Rogers - 2nd Round Pick[*]Rocky McIntosh - 4th Round Pick[/LIST]
*I would accept young, promising, zoneblocking offensive linemen in place of draft picks.

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[quote=#56fanatic;667831]I dont see where people keep saying Peppers was doubled all year. Trust me dude, he was not. The last two seasons all people did around here is bitch about Peppers and why he couldn't get past the single lineman, or TE. he was not doubled near as much as people are saying. Carolina is actually really really really glad to see him go. They are tired of his attitude, his so/so play, and overall seemingly lack of interest. He wasn't a leader. Hell he was even called out in the locker room/radio show by a second year LB....Jon Beason. Who by the way is the next Ray Lewis. This guy is a monster, but I digress... Beason called out peppers and said he needed to play 100% all the time and stop being lazy. That is from a second year guy!! Beason is the leader of the D. What does that say about Peppers??[/quote]

Great post 56, st. from Charlotte! Always good to get the local view.

Peppers is like Haynesworth at a different position. I believe he & AH were on a dubious top 10 nfl diva list that came out this past year (fox sports or cbs I believe). He can dominate but isn't an every down guy & even worse, it seems like he doesn't give what AH does on each play.

Please Bruce Allen & Shanny, if the Danny wants this guy waive the biggest red (not burgundy) flags you have!

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;667877]Does this mean we plan on cutting several big name guys or hoping we can trade them?[/quote]

My question exactly. Allen has a history of cutting old, expensive vets.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;667864]Smoot,

What will we do about the safety position? I am really interested to see what comes out of Ashburn and what goes in. Is there truth to the Landry leaving rumors?[/quote]

Honestly I have no idea what we'll do. I think Landry is on the block, well I know he is actually. But as I understand it we're not so much actively shopping him as we are putting him out there to see if we're blown away by an offer

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[quote=freddyg12;667882]My question exactly. Allen has a history of cutting old, expensive vets.[/quote]

I could only hope...and honestly we should....the reason: WE HAVE NEVER WON ANYTHING WITH THOSE GUYS...

If we really want a new start, it starts with up top and goes all the way down. So we taken care of the top, Danny Boy has step aside, New coaches, FO guys....so it would make complete sense to me to continue and we see alot of new faces on the field.

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I agree 100% with you Chico. It would seem logical that Friday could be a day of older Redskins getting their walking papers.

ARE, Thomas, Rock, Possibly Ladell, just to name a few that come to my mind.

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Peppers is kind of a waste of money. I agree dansby is the way to if we are signing a lb

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off topic but my boy randy is coming back and we will get another year or two out of him. how he fits into shanny scheme is to be seen but i look forward to a healthy randy thomas.

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[quote=over the mountain;667927]off topic but my boy randy is coming back and we will get another year or two out of him. how he fits into shanny scheme is to be seen but i look forward to a healthy randy thomas.[/quote]

do we know how healthy he is though? i remember hearing buges last year stating how he was concerned about thomas' health early in the season.

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[quote=over the mountain;667927]off topic but my boy randy is coming back and we will get another year or two out of him. how he fits into shanny scheme is to be seen but i look forward to a healthy randy thomas.[/quote]

Great person, and good player in his prime...but I do not want to see him back, tooooooo many injuries. Its time to move on.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;667774]Peppers has been slightly better then people give him credit for. I mean he had a down year in 2007 but that was the year the Panthers got rid of their own double team magnet in Kris Jenkins. I mean the man got 14.5 sacks in 2008 and 10.5 last year being practically double teamed all the time. However given the fact that Peppers likely isn't coming here then I guess most of this discussion is a moot point.[/quote]

If by chance he did come here, the talk of moving him to an outside linebacker position is insane IMO . First I can't imagine him playing in space, or being on the plus side of thirty embracing a new and totally diferent position.

There's talk of moving other players to unfamaliar positions with the idea in mind of utilizing the 3-4 as the base defense, some of these concepts have me scratching my head.

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So at 283 lbs. would Peppers be a good 3-4? Although in 4-3 formations, imagine a line with Peppers, Daniels (or another DT), AH, and Orakpo?

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I don't get the whole Peppers deal. He isn't that much more talented than Carter. He certainly won't be million$ more talented.

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I'm hoping that SmootSmack is right and there's really not much to this rumor.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;667936]I'm hoping that SmootSmack is right and there's really not much to this rumor.[/quote]

I didn't think much of it either until I remembered DS was our owner;)

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Why all the Peppers haters ? It just seems whatever move the Skins make someone is all bent out of shape. I no in the past things have back fired on us but GOT DAMN!!! This is not Vinny calling the shots anymore so lets give Allen the benefit of the doubt.
If everyone else is so smart buy the team and run it yourselves.

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[quote=Ruhskins;667933]So at 283 lbs. would Peppers be a good 3-4? Although in 4-3 formations, imagine a line with Peppers, Daniels (or another DT), AH, and Orakpo?[/quote]

For obvious reasons I cannot get a wraparound on AH playing the NT position. Suggesting he play there at all cost is only going to stir the same emotion in him that he displayed last year. Some say shut-up and play where the coaches tell you to play, I'm afraid that mentality is outdated and just won't work with today's player. I will continue to have reservations about it happening until I see if it's going to work and how effective it's going to be over the long haul.

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[quote=FRPLG;667935]I don't get the whole Peppers deal. He isn't that much more talented than Carter. He certainly won't be million$ more talented.[/quote]Yeah, agreed. If we end up going to the 3-4 though, Carter becomes a one-and-a-half down guy. He might "start" at defensive end, but he won't really play the interior position.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;667774]Peppers has been slightly better then people give him credit for. I mean he had a down year in 2007 but that was the year the Panthers got rid of their own double team magnet in Kris Jenkins. I mean the man got 14.5 sacks in 2008 and 10.5 last year being practically double teamed all the time. However given the fact that Peppers likely isn't coming here then I guess most of this discussion is a moot point.[/quote]The problem with Peppers isn't really the total production, but the spread of it. After four games, the Panthers were 1-3, should have probably been 0-4 without some really fortunate bounces (literally) of the ball against us, and Peppers had basically given his team zero anything over that time frame.

The Panthers finished the season 8-8, three games out of a wild card spot, but with one of the best defenses in the league. Peppers was a large part of that. However, if he had played 16 games with the effort he played the final ten at, the Panthers could have been a playoff team.

The kind of team that has the most to gain from Peppers is the team that would already be a strong playoff team without him, but with him, could contend for the super bowl. New England would really be a good fit. Philadelphia, as well. Chicago maybe a little less so. For us, I think you'd get a monster player for the first 6 or 7 games, and then his production would kind of slip away into the background. Is that worth the money? It might be.

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if we end up going 3-4, i think we'll do everything we can to trade Carter.

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[quote=FRPLG;667935]I don't get the whole Peppers deal. He isn't that much more talented than Carter. He certainly won't be million$ more talented.[/quote]

Peppers is definitely more talented than Carter, but Carter has the better motor.

I wouldn't pay Peppers either.

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Peppers would be a good signing if we were in a 4-3, but were most likely in a 3-4. Where would Peppers fit? He's not an OLB in a 3-4 and we have too many other areas of need to waste on a talented, but aging pass-rusher, this signing would be like the Jason Taylor trade 2 yrs ago. Why haven't I heard anything about us getting Rolle to play FS? He's a ballhawk and he could let LL use his talents at SS.

My wish list: Robinson, Rolle, Sproles, Bullock. Dansby is an ILB not an OLB in the 3-4, so that's why I put Bullock instead and sign him to a 2 yr deal w/ performance bouneses.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;667950]if we end up going 3-4, i think we'll do everything we can to trade Carter.[/quote]

IMO Carter is as good as gone. Once trading is allowed again on Friday I expect him to be moving elsewhere. I hope that we get something for him and don't just cut him.

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Carter isn't going anywhere, especially not in a trade.

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[quote=Lotus;667958]IMO Carter is as good as gone. Once trading is allowed again on Friday I expect him to be moving elsewhere. I hope that we get something for him and don't just cut him.[/quote]

given Carters performance last year, i think we could get a 4th for him.

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[quote=Mattyk;667961]Carter isn't going anywhere, especially not in a trade.[/quote]

Why is that?

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[quote=vallin21;667953]Peppers would be a good signing if we were in a 4-3, but were most likely in a 3-4. Where would Peppers fit? He's not an OLB in a 3-4 and we have too many other areas of need to waste on a talented, but aging pass-rusher, this signing would be like the Jason Taylor trade 2 yrs ago. Why haven't I heard anything about us getting Rolle to play FS? He's a ballhawk and he could let LL use his talents at SS.

My wish list: Robinson, Rolle, Sproles, Bullock. Dansby is an ILB not an OLB in the 3-4, so that's why I put Bullock instead and sign him to a 2 yr deal w/ performance bouneses.[/quote]

The jason taylor signing didn't work because he's not a run-stopping DE. He doubled his production from 08-09 (skins 29 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 1 FF ---Miami42 tackles, 7 sacks, 1 int, 3 FF) because he played OLB in a 3-4. Granted, JT missed time when he played for us but overall he wasn't effective in our system no matter how many games he started or played in. Peppers is 5 years younger and arguably a better athlete. I'd argue he can hack it.

I don't disagree with wanting to go after Rolle. I don't think Bullock will sign a 2 year deal.

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[quote=Lotus;667964]Why is that?[/quote]

Despite all the crazy scenarios being dreamed up right now trades just aren't that common, and why would someone give up a pick in what's considered a deep draft for a 30 year old DE on the back side of his career?