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[quote=mredskins;730206]So true I liked how the TE was like I am coming for you (if he ends up another team).

We were doing here in the office as joke, role-playing, we thought the funniest thing is they always cut the guy before he even gets to sit down. Shit if you cut me before I sit down, I am not sitting I am like see ya.[/quote]

Yeah it is funny, why even bother sitting down.

That was the FB actually, Jason Davis. Yeah I liked his attitude too.

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[quote=Mattyk;730221]Yeah it is funny, why even bother sitting down.

That was the FB actually, Jason Davis. Yeah I liked his attitude too.[/quote]


Yeah I meant FB, funny thing is they end up cutting T. Richardson then re-signing him; strange.

[url=http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2010/09/08/2010-09-08_tony_richardson_shocked_to_learn_he_was_cut_by_jets_kyle_wilson_pulls_allnighter.html?r=sports]Tony Richardson shocked to learn he was cut by Jets; Kyle Wilson pulls all-nighter for Boise game[/url]

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In Tannenbaum's defense, it's "Firing People 101" to get it over with first, then talk about it. The last thing you want to do is to talk about performance first, beat around the bush, then get to the conclusion last. The guy knows why he's there, so there is no sense in letting it fester and possibly turn into an argument.

Unfortunately in my job I have had to let a few people go, and it is extremely difficult to do for the manager. I would say, the actual process of firing someone is MORE difficult for the person doing the firing than the person getting fired. Now, after-the-fact of course its worse for the person who lost their job, but the actual event is very nerve wracking...you never know how people are going to react to such news. Some are professional, some aren't, and you just don't know until it happens what you're going to get.

Tannenbaum seems uncomfortable with it, but how could he not be? It's not fun for him. I do think he could be a bit more honest with the critical feedback. As ball players, these guys need to know what they have to improve to make it in the NFL, and he didn't seem to provide much of that.

On a personal level I felt really bad for Brashton Satelle...seemed that he had a spot until he got hurt. That has got to feel awful, knowing that one wrong step and one turned ankle cost you a chance to play for an NFL squad.

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^ I hear you but I think Tannebaum and most NFL execs think of them as cattle.

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[quote=mredskins;730238]^ I hear you but I think Tannebaum and most NFL execs think of them as cattle.[/quote]

Yeah, I can see that...notice that Tannebaum only talked to the guys he deemed "worthy" of his personal time. The lesser dudes got cut by the assistant GM.

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[quote=mredskins;730234]Yeah I meant FB, funny thing is they end up cutting T. Richardson then re-signing him; strange.

[URL="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2010/09/08/2010-09-08_tony_richardson_shocked_to_learn_he_was_cut_by_jets_kyle_wilson_pulls_allnighter.html?r=sports"]Tony Richardson shocked to learn he was cut by Jets; Kyle Wilson pulls all-nighter for Boise game[/URL][/quote]

Not for long? He's got 16 years out of the NFL. Plus that guy Connor is just blasting people. Every week he pancakes someone.

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[quote=Mc2guy;730237]In Tannenbaum's defense, it's "Firing People 101" to get it over with first, then talk about it. The last thing you want to do is to talk about performance first, beat around the bush, then get to the conclusion last. The guy knows why he's there, so there is no sense in letting it fester and possibly turn into an argument.

Unfortunately in my job I have had to let a few people go, and it is extremely difficult to do for the manager. I would say, the actual process of firing someone is MORE difficult for the person doing the firing than the person getting fired. Now, after-the-fact of course its worse for the person who lost their job, but the actual event is very nerve wracking...you never know how people are going to react to such news. Some are professional, some aren't, and you just don't know until it happens what you're going to get.

Tannenbaum seems uncomfortable with it, but how could he not be? It's not fun for him. I do think he could be a bit more honest with the critical feedback. [B]As ball players, these guys need to know what they have to improve to make it in the NFL, and he didn't seem to provide much of that[/B].

On a personal level I felt really bad for Brashton Satelle...seemed that he had a spot until he got hurt. That has got to feel awful, knowing that one wrong step and one turned ankle cost you a chance to play for an NFL squad.[/quote]

And this is why NFL GM's should not be firing guys. It's the head coach and the position coaches that should do it.

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[quote=Mattyk;730069]Good episode last night. I wish they would have given a little more detail regarding what made the Revis deal turn around suddenly, because they made it look like it was a dead deal when Ryan stormed out of the room all ticked off.[/quote]

Rex Ryan is such a jumbo douchebag. All that mouth, all that talk. WTF did the Jets do? Barely win 9 games and eek into the playoffs because the Colts started 2nd stringers in the last game? For as much hype as that blowhard has brought onto his own team, coupled with the NY media, man oh man if they fail it's gonna be epic. I wish them nothing but the worst. I can't remember the last time I've disliked a coach this much.

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As I've said before I actually like Ryan after seeing this show. I thought he was a big jerk before, but after seeing some different sides of him I like him now. He's still a jerk, but I kinda like that.

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[quote=GMScud;730258]Rex Ryan is such a jumbo douchebag. All that mouth, all that talk. WTF did the Jets do? Barely win 9 games and eek into the playoffs because the Colts started 2nd stringers in the last game? For as much hype as that blowhard has brought onto his own team, coupled with the NY media, man oh man if they fail it's gonna be epic. I wish them nothing but the worst. I can't remember the last time I've disliked a coach this much.[/quote]

See, that is exactly why I like him. He's brash, loud, cocky, and foul-mouthed. In short, he's a character, and the league needs more guys like him. The NFL has gotten so corporate, and so sterile with the likes of Bill Belichek and the Payton Manning's of the world, that I think it adds a spice to the league.

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[quote=Mc2guy;730264]See, that is exactly why I like him. He's brash, loud, cocky, and foul-mouthed. In short, he's a character, and the league needs more guys like him. The NFL has gotten so corporate, and so sterile with the likes of Bill Belichek and the Payton Manning's of the world, that I think it adds a spice to the league.[/quote]

Agreed. It's always good to have some bad guys on the block.

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[quote=Mc2guy;730264] the Payton Manning's of the world, that I think it adds a spice to the league.[/quote]

See I don't , last thing we need are more assholes(sorry Mods).We have players hitting wives and girlfriends ,drunk drivers,DUI's ....players shooting oneself and...well etc.I think we need more of the Payton or Eli...or the golly gee wiz types so the kids of today have real sports type people they can look up to,ya want spice ....go to the street corner.Not players on TV who can't remeber the names of his kids or their 7 or 8 different mothers.:soapbox:

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[quote=Giantone;730314]See I don't , last thing we need are more assholes(sorry Mods).We have players hitting wives and girlfriends ,drunk drivers,DUI's ....players shooting oneself and...well etc.I think we need more of the Payton or Eli...or the golly gee wiz types so the kids of today have real sports type people they can look up to,ya want spice ....go to the street corner.Not players on TV who can't remeber the names of his kids or their 7 or 8 different mothers.:soapbox:[/quote]
I don't think Matty and company want those type of bad guys and Rex is not one of them.

The NFL is drama really, like a man's soap opera. Just like the wwe we need some faces and some heels, that is what makes the drama.

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[quote=mredskins;730315][B]I don't think Matty and company want those type of bad guys and Rex is not one of them. [/B]

The NFL is drama really, like a man's soap opera. Just like the wwe we need some faces and some heels, that is what makes the drama.[/quote]

No - he is not but he encourages those kind of guys. It's the "us against the world - the rules don't apply to us" kind of thuggism that is his meat and potatoes. It was in Baltimore and is again in NY. It's great until the inmates start realizing that, if the rules don't apply to them, then "Why the f*** should we listen to you Coach?" It will work great for a couple of years though.

GMScud - the last coach I detested as much as Rex? Buddy. Yup, THAT Buddy.

Character is fine. I got no problem with the voluminious cursing and vulgarity. Whatever, to me it seems a cheap and easy way to communicate and is more an aspect of lazy inspiration. ("heh heh heh - he said sh**"). It's the culture where sportsmanship is not only ignored but where it seems to be frowned upon as a sign of weakness.

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[quote=Giantone;730314]See I don't , last thing we need are more assholes(sorry Mods).We have players hitting wives and girlfriends ,drunk drivers,DUI's ....players shooting oneself and...well etc.I think we need more of the Payton or Eli...or the golly gee wiz types so the kids of today have real sports type people they can look up to,ya want spice ....go to the street corner.Not players on TV who can't remeber the names of his kids or their 7 or 8 different mothers.:soapbox:[/quote]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Where does being a loudmouth translate into being a thug? Rex isn't drunk driving, hitting people, or breaking the law. One does not beget the other.

I am the first guy to raise my hand and say that I don't want felons and misogynists on my team (see my uproar about the signing of LJ). But that is an entirely different issue. Rex isn't a law breaker. I don't even see Rex as a jerk, he's just a shit-talker...big deal.

The NFL is entertainment and Rex is entertaining, pure and simple. The league doesn't want ANYTHING to tarnish its image in the eyes of the viewers, which is why it has been sterilized over the years. Players and coaches are trained on toeing the company line and saying nothing controversial. When they do speak up, they are immediately shut down or suspended (see the media relations person shut down the AH interview two weeks ago when he started to mouth off). Rex bucks that trend, and IMO does it in a way that is quite fun to watch.

My point (and I think Mattyk's, but I don't want to speak for him), is that good story telling involves a protagonist and an antagonist. The NFL is full of the former, everyone wants to be the hero. I think it's fun to see someone willing to step out and be the antagonist for a while.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;730320]
It's the culture where sportsmanship is not only ignored but where it seems to be frowned upon as a sign of weakness.[/quote]

I appreciate your sentiment, but where do you get that from Rex? I don't see him running up scores or purposefully trying to injure players like his dad did. How about Belicheck running up 50 points on a hall of fame coach for the fun of it then throwing deep in the 4th quarter? That, IMO, is as poor a sportsman as you can be and yes, I hate BB for it.

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I don't see where Rex is a bad sport or encourages thug behavior at all. He's simply a tough, hard nosed football coach. A bit of a throwback, but I don't think he crosses any lines.

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[quote=Mc2guy;730264]See, that is exactly why I like him. He's brash, loud, cocky, and foul-mouthed. In short, he's a character, and the league needs more guys like him. The NFL has gotten so corporate, and so sterile with the likes of Bill Belichek and the Payton Manning's of the world, that I think it adds a spice to the league.[/quote]

Could not agree more.

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[quote=Mattyk;730353]I don't see where Rex is a bad sport or encourages thug behavior at all. He's simply a tough, hard nosed football coach. A bit of a throwback, but I don't think he crosses any lines.[/quote]

Personally I like Rex, I think he embodies a lot of what you would want to see in a players coach. His assistants on the other hand seem like horrible coaches, particularly the special teams guy. In fact I don't know who I like less, the Jet assistants or the waiter from the Golden Corral commercials.

"This f*****g Bart guy."
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[quote=Mattyk;730168]Anyone else think that Mike Tannenbaum always seems so awkward and nervous when cutting guys? I know it's not an easy thing to do but he just seems to make it worse.[/quote]

I was actually impressed with the way he handled it. The only time he seemed awkward was at the end of the David Clowney cut.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;730550]Personally I like Rex, I think he embodies a lot of what you would want to see in a players coach. His assistants on the other hand seem like horrible coaches, particularly the special teams guy.[/quote]

You're kidding right? Westoff is considered one of the better ST coaches in the game. Notice how he always seems to be around Rex? He's clearly well respected.

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[quote=Mattyk;730552]You're kidding right? Westoff is considered one of the better ST coaches in the game. Notice how he always seems to be around Rex? He's clearly well respected.[/quote]

I don't doubt that the guy can coach from an X's and O's perspective. However something about the way he talked to the players just rubbed me the wrong way. It felt to me like the wrong type of tough love. I mean I've had coaches that would yell at you and get on your case and I've appreciated that, but for some reason the way Westhoff went about it didn't seem right. Particularly when he was complaining about the injured guys riding bikes and trying to get back on the field. That type of attitude is the kind that can easily get players hurt. Something I would expect a guy with a metal leg to be more understanding.

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[quote=mredskins;730315]I don't think Matty and company want those type of bad guys and Rex is not one of them.

The NFL is drama really, like a man's soap opera. Just like the wwe we need some faces and some heels, that is what makes the drama.[/quote]


I didn't mean to imply that they do want that type of personality at all.I just don't see Rex as the type to disdiscourage that and instill as someone else said sportsmanship ,it's a game and these guys are professionals and supposedly Rex is too but to me he doesn't act like it.