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Man... it's like everyone just can't wait for the Skins to pull off a monster move... I just don't see it happening though. The roster has too many needs to give away the farm for one guy. We're already down to just 5 picks this year and to give away more future picks just doesn't seem smart.

Take Okung and then someone like McCoy in the 2nd. I can live with that.

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[quote=Mattyk;680258]Man... it's like everyone just can't wait for the Skins to pull off a monster move... I just don't see it happening though. The roster has too many needs to give away the farm for one guy. We're already down to just 5 picks this year and to give away more future picks just doesn't seem smart.

Take Okung and then someone like McCoy in the 2nd. I can live with that.[/quote]

The only "monster" move I'd like to see the Redskins pull off is get a sweet deal on a trade down with the Bills or the Raiders. I can see BA outmaneuvering a team like that and getting a mini Herschel Walker-like trade (where Herschel Walker's role would be played by our #4 pick) :)

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I honestly dont think it would take as much to move up from the #4 to the #1 as it did for the Giants. The Giants were trading up for a QB named Manning. I firmly beleive that our 1st this year and next, with one very late round pick would be enough to do it. Or our 1st and 2nd this year with a late round pick next year.

Either way, i still think it would be too costly of a trade. Bradfords not worth the #4 overall pick, let alone the #1 overall. Hopefully, all this talk of us trading up is just talk - kinda like how we were rumored to be trading up for Calvin Johnson a couple years ago.

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I am really excited to see what we do. IF we traded and got Bradford, I would be syked. If we stayed pat and got Okung/Bradford at 4 and McCoy/LT prospect at 37, I would be syked. If we traded down, say with SF or the Raiders, and got more picks, I would be syked.

Dang, I am way too easy!

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[quote=Ruhskins;680262]The only "monster" move I'd like to see the Redskins pull off is get a sweet deal on a trade down with the Bills or the Raiders. I can see BA outmaneuvering a team like that and getting a mini Herschel Walker-like trade (where Herschel Walker's role would be played by our #4 pick) :)[/quote]

All signs point to the Rams taking Bradford and the Lions taking Okung. Either Suh or McCoy should be available when we pick, which means we should have no problem trading down if we want to.

The problem comes in when you consider the possibility that a team trades up to #3 and takes Clausen. At that point, all 3 of the players we'd be most inclined to take at 4 would be gone. Additionally, no one who wants one of the two DTs will would trade with us since atleast one (if not both of them) would still be on the board at 5. This is the nightmare scenario for the skins. Unfortunately, its also the one i think is most likely to happen.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;680267]All signs point to the Rams taking Bradford and the Lions taking Okung. Either Suh or McCoy should be available when we pick, which means we should have no problem trading down if we want to.

The problem comes in when you consider the possibility that a team trades up to #3 and takes Clausen. At that point, all 3 of the players we'd be most inclined to take at 4 would be gone. Additionally, no one who wants one of the two DTs will would trade with us since atleast one (if not both of them) would still be on the board at 5. This is the nightmare scenario for the skins. Unfortunately, its also the one i think is most likely to happen.[/quote]

What team is going to trade to 3 to take Clausen? I think this scenario is possible, but not the most likely. If the Lions and Bucs both pass on the top two DT's I would be amazed. I guess, maybe if the Lions take Okung (I think it's possible but not highly so) and the 5th or 6th team wants to trade with TB for Clausen, then maybe because TB would still get a top DT. But KC isn't going for Clausen, and I don't think Cleveland would.

It would take a cataclysmic combination of events for the Skins NOT to come out of this draft with at least two impact players.

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[quote=Mattyk;680258]Man... it's like everyone just can't wait for the Skins to pull off a monster move... I just don't see it happening though. The roster has too many needs to give away the farm for one guy. We're already down to just 5 picks this year and to give away more future picks just doesn't seem smart.

Take Okung and then someone like McCoy in the 2nd. I can live with that.[/quote]

This really all comes down to Shannys evaluation of Bradford. If Shanny thinks he's a franchise QB and feels strongly enough to trade up you would not be okay with that? The Redskins have had average or bad QB play for most of the last 30 years. I know it's a lot to trade up but I am not concerned as much with every hole being filled by September with a long term replacement...I am more concerned with us making the move that better positions us to challange for a Super Bowl sooner. And these days with few exceptions the teams with franchise QB's win the Super Bowl.

Now if Shanny does not think Bradford is a franchise QB then I would be fine with Okung & McCoy.

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I like Bradford, I just don't like the idea of giving up a ton to trade up for him.

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[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Bradford-makes-his-case-to-be-drafts-first-pick.html]Bradford makes his case to be draft’s first pick | National Football Post[/url]

good read

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[quote=celts32;680283]This really all comes down to Shannys evaluation of Bradford. If Shanny thinks he's a franchise QB and feels strongly enough to trade up you would not be okay with that? [/quote]

No, I would not. Further, Shanahan's drafts were almost as bad as Bruce Allens. Neither of them has ever done anything in thier careers to suggest they are savvy talent evaluators, so neither of them should be trading UP for anyone. Consider this: Jay Cutler is the best QB Shanahan has ever drafted.

Nuff Said.

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If Shanahan sees what I see in him, I'd be all for trading up for him. Give this year's 2 and next year's 1 if we have to. Nothing changes your franchise like an elite franchise QB.

Would we have holes to fill after that? Yes. But no other position on the field has nearly as much impact as a great QB does. I'm not interested in being good, I want to be great. I want the next Troy Aikman to make my team a contender for 10+ years.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;680299]No, I would not. Further, Shanahan's drafts were almost as bad as Bruce Allens. Neither of them has ever done anything in thier careers to suggest they are savvy talent evaluators, so neither of them should be trading UP for anyone. Consider this: Jay Cutler is the best QB Shanahan has ever drafted.

Nuff Said.[/quote]

Yeah but Cutler was great for a year with Shanny, horrible last year with the Bears. Plummer was solid with Shanny, horrible everywhere else. Brian Griese, solid with Shanahan, horrible everywhere else.

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BHA,
What would Cowher do?

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And last but not least, Elway couldn't get over the hump before Shanahan. With him, won two straight titles. Give him the elite QB, and you give Mike Shanahan a chance to give you what you want.

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[quote=Lotus;680091]I hope that Bradford tells the Rams, "I have always hated the Rams and I don't think anything will change that. So I will insist on a $500 mil. contract and hold out as long as it takes to get it."[/quote]

[quote=Ruhskins;680180]Players usually hold out for more money. Dropping to #4 gives you less leverage on arguing for more money, so this makes no sense.[/quote]

Actually it makes a lot of sense if, as some have surmised, Bradford would prefer to play for Shanahan rather than for the Rams. Although the words were different, Eli Manning did something similar to San Diego a few years ago: he made it clear that he did not want to play for or be drafted by the Chargers.

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[quote=Ruhskins;680180]Players usually hold out for more money. Dropping to #4 gives you less leverage on arguing for more money, so this makes no sense.[/quote]

Even if Bradford were to drop to us, I believe he would use the QB position and try to leverage it with us to get a good payday. He may also believe Washington will pay more simply because of the different FO's and ownership. I certainly don't think Washington would ever see a holdout, but the Rams could.

I also think the Rams will want a deal done pre-draft, if Bradford seriously wants to wait that could help him drop. Not necessarily to us though, because Mike Holmgrem might jump up for Bradford.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;680264]I am really excited to see what we do. IF we traded and got Bradford, I would be syked. If we stayed pat and got Okung/Bradford at 4 and McCoy/LT prospect at 37, I would be syked. [B] If we traded down, say with SF or the Raiders, and got more picks, I would be syked.
[/B]
Dang, I am way too easy![/quote]

That's what I'm leaning towards. The only guy I would really want at 4 is Okung (assuming Bradford and the two DTs are gone), but I also don't feel like Okung is that much better than a tackle we could get later on. If we can swing a trade with SF and have two picks in the top 17, that would be great.

I think so much of what we do depends on how Shanny really feels about Jason Campbell, and I don't think anyone outside of the organization knows that.

Colt McCoy's pro-day is today. I wonder if Shanny will be there. I want NO part of that guy. I'd probably rather have Pike or Lefevour.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;680315]Even if Bradford were to drop to us, I believe he would use the QB position and try to leverage it with us to get a good payday. He may also believe Washington will pay more simply because of the different FO's and ownership. I certainly don't think Washington would ever see a holdout, but the Rams could.

I also think the Rams will want a deal done pre-draft, if Bradford seriously wants to wait that could help him drop. Not necessarily to us though, because Mike Holmgrem might jump up for Bradford.[/quote]

What would be crazy is if we end up drafting Bradford, trade or not, and then he holds out for big $ (the qb reasoning you mention). Wouldn't it be something if the skins actually refused to pay a big name player what he & his agent demanded & a long holdout ensued?

I don't see any holdouts being too long this year though. With the uncertainty of a CBA & a potential lockout in 2011, any half smart player & agent will get the biggest chunk of change they can this year, even at the expense of some unfavorable terms later in the deal.

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I seriously doubt that Sam Bradford becomes a Redskin, it's either Clausen or Okung. The Rams will not pass up on this, and the whole theory about Spag losing his job next year if they don't improve is a complete joke. If he doesn't pick Bradford and they still do bad he'll be even more criticized and WILL lose his job.
Now I'm not saying we couldnt get Bradford even if the Rams wanted him, but it's very unlikely and this kid seems like he really wants to be the best which starts with going 1st overall.
Why can't everyone pretend it's January again and talk about how we should get Clausen instead of Bradford because he's more NFL ready.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;680299]No, I would not. Further, Shanahan's drafts were almost as bad as Bruce Allens. Neither of them has ever done anything in thier careers to suggest they are savvy talent evaluators, so neither of them should be trading UP for anyone. Consider this: Jay Cutler is the best QB Shanahan has ever drafted.

Nuff Said.[/quote]

Well it sounds like you just don't really believe in Shannahan & Allen if you don't trust their opinion from the gitgo. Also...I happen to believe Cutler was on his way to greatness when he was teamed up with Shanny.

If they decide not to go after Bradford and draft Okoung or Clausen at 4 I will be fine with that also. I just believe that a franchise QB trumps all other needs. If they feel they identified one then I am all for them making it happen.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;680299]No, I would not. Further, Shanahan's drafts were almost as bad as Bruce Allens. Neither of them has ever done anything in thier careers to suggest they are savvy talent evaluators, so neither of them should be trading UP for anyone. Consider this: Jay Cutler is the best QB Shanahan has ever drafted.

Nuff Said.[/quote]
I think Shanahan has a better eye for offensive talent than defensive talent. Denver had playmakers on offense. I think he also sometimes drafted for need, and that burned him in the end, with 2005 being a good example of that; he took a boatload of corners in that draft.

Allen, I'm not sure how handcuffed he was by the Tampa owners' financial problems.

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I just thought about this last night, but is anyone else worried that Shanahan might have the GW syndrome? The GW syndrome was where he thought his scheme was better than the players he needed.

I just really hope that Shanny doesn't think his zone blocking scheme can have anyone plugged in and have it work. I know we might need an upgrade at QB, but I am trusting him to understand that the offensive line is absolutely terrible.

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I got this from Matt Williamson's chat (he's from Scout's Inc) on ESPN.com today.

[QUOTE]Dan (Washington, DC)

What would you do at #4 if you were the Skins? Clausen/2nd Rnd OT, or Okung/C. McCoy?
Matt Williamson (12:17 PM)

Okung-then give Campbell every chance to succeed. Maybe a guy like Gerhart in round 2. Or more OL help. Or a WR. Or a NT type. Or an ILB. Not big on the QBs at that point. However, not that I love Clausen, it is quite possible that he free falls on DDay if Buff goes another direction. If he starts to fall, Wash could back into round 1 and get both Okung and Clausen. Possible. But you take Okung at #4. To me, he is a WAY superior prospect.[/QUOTE]

PS: I'm not Dan, but I asked him a similar question, he just answered this one.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;680389]I just thought about this last night, but is anyone else worried that Shanahan might have the GW syndrome? The GW syndrome was where he thought his scheme was better than the players he needed.

I just really hope that Shanny doesn't think his zone blocking scheme can have anyone plugged in and have it work. I know we might need an upgrade at QB, but I am trusting him to understand that the offensive line is absolutely terrible.[/quote]

He drafted Clady in the 1st a few years ago, I'm sure he understands the importance of talent on the OL.

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[quote=Mattyk;680401]He drafted Clady in the 1st a few years ago, I'm sure he understands the importance of talent on the OL.[/quote]

The Bradford camp seems to forget this piece of information.

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I should have said talent on the OL, [U]especially at LT[/U].

On the interior spots you can get away with lesser talented guys as long as they fit your scheme well. LT is the one spot on the OL where you really need a quality athlete. Okung is that kind of guy.

People are getting all hyped up on QB, but I think when the dust finally settles Okung is going to be the pick and we'll find out he was the main target all along.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;680363]I think Shanahan has a better eye for offensive talent than defensive talent. Denver had playmakers on offense. I think he also sometimes drafted for need, and that burned him in the end, with 2005 being a good example of that; he took a boatload of corners in that draft.

Allen, I'm not sure how handcuffed he was by the Tampa owners' financial problems.[/quote]

Tampa Bay's financial problems might have something to do with free agency, but not the draft. Allen's draft record in Tampa bay was atrocious. As far as Shanahan goes, i agree he tends to do better on offense than defense, but he's still not that good.

I have no confidence in either of them when it comes to acquiring personnel. Thats why I want them to go the safest, most conservative route possible in 2010. After the draft, we'll probably reorganize/overhaul the personnel/scouting department and bring in a a solid personnel guy to work with Shanahan and Allen. Shanahan is without a doubt a great coach. Allen is without a doubt a good leader and contract/financial guy. Neither is known for being good in acquiring personnel.

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[quote=Mattyk;680401]He drafted Clady in the 1st a few years ago, I'm sure he understands the importance of talent on the OL.[/quote]

That's the one thing that makes me a lot less nervous...

I think Bradford is going to be a great pro, but this year isn't the year to give up the farm for a QB if it's going to set us back on picks.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;680408]Tampa Bay's financial problems might have something to do with free agency, but not the draft. Allen's draft record in Tampa bay was atrocious. As far as Shanahan goes, i agree he tends to do better on offense than defense, but he's still not that good.

I have no confidence in either of them when it comes to acquiring personnel. Thats why I want them to go the safest, most conservative route possible in 2010. After the draft, we'll probably reorganize/overhaul the personnel/scouting department and bring in a a solid personnel guy to work with Shanahan and Allen. Shanahan is without a doubt a great coach. Allen is without a doubt a good leader and contract/financial guy. Neither is known for being good in acquiring personnel.[/quote]I dunno, the current scouting department seemed to be pretty good at evaluating talent, but the former dude at the top, Vinny, was ill-disposed to picking OL high. I remember a while back reading about how other teams raided our practice squad players... and offhand I know of three that are on other teams, those being Aromashodu, Dixon, and Mason.

Oh, and Chase, duh...

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;680304]BHA,
What would Cowher do?[/quote]

He would have brought in someone with more personnel knowledge and experience to be GM. Allens great as a leader but his speciality is in the business side of things. we've always been ahead of the curb on the business side of football.

bringing in Shanahan as HC and Allen as GM improved our team in two areas that needed improving as both represent upgrades over Zorn and Cerrato... but theres still a glaring weakness in our front office structure.

Think of it this way - its like drafting CJ Spiller with our first round pick and Tim Tebow with our 2nd. With our first round pick we got a HUGE upgrade at running back. With our 2nd, we got a guy who's a great leader but who's playing out of position. At the end of the day, neither is really going to improve the team if we dont have a solid offensive line and a good quarterback.

Shanahan and Allen won't build a successful team until they bring in a personnel guy to help them make those decisions. In the 2010 draft, I just want them to play it safe. In 2011, when we have a strong personnel guy in the FO helping them, i'll be more comfortable with the team taking more calculated risks.

To clarify my analogy above, i think our front office should/will eventually be be structured this way:

Team President - Bruce Allen
GM - pimp daddy mac talent evaluator
Head Coach - Shanahan

My dream scenario would have negated the need for a triumvate:
Head Coach - Bill Cowher
GM - pimp daddy mac talent evaluator

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;680410]I dunno, the current scouting department seemed to be pretty good at evaluating talent, but the former dude at the top, Vinny, was ill-disposed to picking OL high. I remember a while back reading about how other teams raided our practice squad players... and offhand I know of three that are on other teams, those being Aromashodu, Dixon, and Mason.

Oh, and Chase, duh...[/quote]

I think we've got some good scouts, but i seem to remember reading that we have one of the lowestpaid scouting departments in the league. i highly doubt we've got the best of the best in our organization. in addition, as was often the case with vinny and danny making the picks, none of it means a thing unless Shanahan and Allen actually listen to the advice they are getting from their staff. Shanahan and Allen need a third guy whom they both respect working with them. And they need to listen to what this guy suggests 90% of the time.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;680419]I think we've got some good scouts, but[B] i seem to remember reading that we have one of the lowestpaid scouting departments in the league[/B]. i highly doubt we've got the best of the best in our organization. in addition, as was often the case with vinny and danny making the picks, none of it means a thing unless Shanahan and Allen actually listen to the advice they are getting from their staff. Shanahan and Allen need a third guy whom they both respect working with them. And they need to listen to what this guy suggests 90% of the time.[/quote]

funny you said that. when i lived in san diego, my brother his wife and i would go to this real nice hotel (i think it was hilton) in la jolla/UTC area. they had a nice sports bar in there but since it was in a hotel, no one would go so we would have these posh couches/lounge area all to ourselves to watch the skins games.

one day a mid west scout for an nfl team (i forget the team) was there. we all got to talking football, etc. he said the skins have by far the lowest payroll for scouts. this was 5 years or so ago.

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A lot of the scouts and front office people, including Scott Campbell and/or Morocco Brown may not (probably won't?) be here after this draft. Their contracts happen to run through April so that's why you haven't seen many changes. But there almost definitely will be front office changes this summer

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[quote=over the mountain;680424]funny you said that. when i lived in san diego, my brother his wife and i would go to this real nice hotel (i think it was hilton) in la jolla/UTC area. they had a nice sports bar in there but since it was in a hotel, no one would go so we would have these posh couches/lounge area all to ourselves to watch the skins games.

one day a mid west scout for an nfl team (i forget the team) was there. we all got to talking football, etc. he said the skins have by far the lowest payroll for scouts. this was 5 years or so ago.[/quote]

It honestly makes no sense that Snyder would pay through the nose for over-the-hill veteran free agents, sign big name coaches to huge multi-year contracts, yet be so frugal with the scouting department. History has proven that the best teams are the ones that consistently draft really well. There's no salary cap for scouts, why not assemble the best scouting department money can buy?

On a side note, i was listening to espn980 and i doc walker said our training facilities were just horrible, and among the worst he's ever seen. he'd even seen colleges that have better equipment and facilities than we do. Not to hijack the thread but does anyone here (smoot perhaps) know what gives?

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The training facilities have supposedly drastically improved. I don't know, I haven't been there in years. But I know a couple of key players from the 80s/early 90s who went on to other teams said they couldn't believe the difference between the Redskins organization from a facilities/management perspective and the teams they went onto. Point being it's been that way for a long, long time.

It didn't look awful when I saw it, but I also haven't been to a whole bunch of teams' headquarters.

But it sounds like it's much better now

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Reports are that Colt McCoy just had the best pro day of anyone in the last 24 hours. ;)

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[quote=GTripp0012;680454]Reports are that Colt McCoy just had the best pro day of anyone in the last 24 hours. ;)[/quote]

I liked it...and that's all that matters

Bradford's was better though. Displayed a stronger arm

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Okung ......Bradford....... Suh only one will be available (at best) There is a big drop off after these three I think. Okung (safe pick and definite need)....Bradford (go for the gusto pick) Suh (best available period pick). The actual draft will simplify things. If none of these three are available you try your best to trade down and get extra picks for tackles and guards which this draft is full of.Clausen I'd only take with the second round pick (yeah yeah wont be there).Tebow if we acquired a third I'd do it. Running backs Shanny can pick up 4th to 5th round. Wide receivers we dont need period.Tight ends...Vinny's gone. Quarterback if you don't get the three mentioned forget about it.

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If we do trade up for him I think part of the emphasis to trade up will be on giving up players instead of future picks. Guys like Rocky McIntosh and Fred Davis would be great for the Rams because they're young cheap players that fill a need.

You could also possibly throw in Montgomery if they like him as they've been rumored to. Jason Campbell is also a distant posibillity. Maybe even Laron though given the fact that they're trying to get rid of a safety I wouldn't count on them accepting one that bites on double moves. At the very least I feel that some of these guys will be on the trade block come draft day to acquire more picks.

Another big factor will be if the Lions decide to select Okung. If the Rams like one of the second round QB's then they'd probably want one of the two big Tackles to fall to them for them to feel comfortable enough to trade down to the 4th spot. Of course right now it seems likely that Suh and McCoy will go 2-3. At the same time maybe they end up liking Clausen.

However right now I'm loving the rumors that Bradford would much rather play for the Redskins. The only problem is how do we fix the O-Line and trade up for Bradford? Hence why I'm really hoping that Clausen can put on a more impressive workout.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;680936]If we do trade up for him I think part of the emphasis to trade up will be on giving up players instead of future picks. Guys like Rocky McIntosh and Fred Davis would be great for the Rams because they're young cheap players that fill a need.

You could also possibly throw in Montgomery if they like him as they've been rumored to. Jason Campbell is also a distant posibillity. Maybe even Laron though given the fact that they're trying to get rid of a safety I wouldn't count on them accepting one that bites on double moves. At the very least I feel that some of these guys will be on the trade block come draft day to acquire more picks.

Another big factor will be if the Lions decide to select Okung. If the Rams like one of the second round QB's then they'd probably want one of the two big Tackles to fall to them for them to feel comfortable enough to trade down to the 4th spot. Of course right now it seems likely that Suh and McCoy will go 2-3. At the same time maybe they end up liking Clausen.

[B]However right now I'm loving the rumors that Bradford would much rather play for the Redskins. [/B] The only problem is how do we fix the O-Line and trade up for Bradford? Hence why I'm really hoping that Clausen can put on a more impressive workout.[/quote]

Don't confuse that with "refuses to play for the Rams"