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[quote=Dirtbag359;683858]How do we get Penn? Is their a player of ours that they want? Do I need to be a shrewd negotiator and offer them Carter?



You know I agree with your post, but you see given that you're happy about Duke winning I'm going to have politely ask you to leave. We don't like your types round' here.[/quote]

What are you talking about? I'v recently decided to substitute my own version of reality in for the real one. The 2010 ncaa basketball championship never happened, it's like a giant blank tv screen in my mind. Duke won? lies that could never have happened.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;683858]How do we get Penn? Is their a player of ours that they want? Do I need to be a shrewd negotiator and offer them Carter?



You know I agree with your post, but you see given that you're happy about Duke winning I'm going to have politely ask you to leave. We don't like your types round' here.[/quote]

Did I mention that Duke won the National Championship tonight?

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[quote=tryfuhl;683865]Did I mention that Duke won the National Championship tonight?[/quote]

Off topic, but I was pulling for Butler. Great game though.

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[quote=Dlyne8r;683866]Off topic, but I was pulling for Butler. Great game though.[/quote]

Scary game.. no big deal, we're talking about it in the Other Sports subforum too if you wanna hop in.

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[quote=tryfuhl;683865]Did I mention that Duke won the National Championship tonight?[/quote]

How could you do that to the poor kids of Butler? Their $41k annual tuition rates makes Duke like a crappy public school. Those kids have nothing left.

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Butler should be proud of their season. Duke and Coach K do it again!

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Right off the bat, Baltimore looks like an ideal trading partner. They will move LT Jared Gaither for either Haynesorth, Rogers, or Cooley.
The Rams would probably move LT Alex Barron for Landry.
The Saints are another potential partner to get LT Jermon Bushrod, with Greg Williams running the defense, he may want either McIntosh or Haynesworth.
The Colts are looking to move LT Charlie Johnson, and they also need defensive help at DT and LB, so if Shanahan wants to dump Haynesworth and eat most of his salary, he will have no trouble finding a trading partner.
The Steelers are unhappy with their O-line, and have 10 picks. Most likely their 1st-2 go for Offensive linemen. They need CB help and Rogers for RT Willie Colon is a possibility.
It appears clear to me now that Haynesworth will be dealt for offensive help. Landry and/or Rogers will probably go also.
It's possible that if Okung is gone, and either Suh or McCoy are available, they would select either and then trade Haynesworth for an offensive Tackle.

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I'd take Berry or the FS from Texas at #4 and if Gaither can be moved for Rogers then so long Rogers and Barron for Landry. If Haynesworth can be shipped then we draft Suh or Mccoy at #4. It all sounds good right? :)

[quote=jdc65;683900]Right off the bat, Baltimore looks like an ideal trading partner. They will move LT Jared Gaither for either Haynesorth, Rogers, or Cooley.
The Rams would probably move LT Alex Barron for Landry.
The Saints are another potential partner to get LT Jermon Bushrod, with Greg Williams running the defense, he may want either McIntosh or Haynesworth.
The Colts are looking to move LT Charlie Johnson, and they also need defensive help at DT and LB, so if Shanahan wants to dump Haynesworth and eat most of his salary, he will have no trouble finding a trading partner.
The Steelers are unhappy with their O-line, and have 10 picks. Most likely their 1st-2 go for Offensive linemen. They need CB help and Rogers for RT Willie Colon is a possibility.
It appears clear to me now that Haynesworth will be dealt for offensive help. Landry and/or Rogers will probably go also.
It's possible that if Okung is gone, and either Suh or McCoy are available, they would select either and then trade Haynesworth for an offensive Tackle.[/quote]

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[quote=Gtothearry;683905]I'd take Berry or the FS from Texas at #4 and if Gaither can be moved for Rogers then so long Rogers and Barron for Landry. If Haynesworth can be shipped then we draft Suh or Mccoy at #4. It all sounds good right? :)[/quote]

I would take Berry or Mays. From what I heard Earl Thomas (texas) is more of a safety/CB hybrid.If not I heard gaither can play on the right side so we could draft gaither on the left.

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Mays at #4 would be a horrible overpayment.

Berry or Earl Thomas...a slight stretch at #4 but not as bad as Mays. We really shouldn't use that pick on a safety at all. Tackle is a bigger need. Remember, last year we didn't have Chris Horton to bench Landry for. Also, I think Kareem Moore has a bright future. Along with Doughty, we're already fairly deep at Safety even if we lose Landry. Could we use another one? Sure...but we're not desperate enough at the position to use a #4 pick on a safety. We'd be playing Vinny Ball again, ignoring our biggest need for a flashy player who could be great, but wouldn't really be helping our team as much as the Draft pick could.

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why on earth would anyone take berry or mays that high? berry will probably be a top 10 pick, but certainly not as high as 4. mays will be lucky to get drafted before the 20th pick.

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[quote=Buster;683952]Mays at #4 would be a horrible overpayment.

Berry or Earl Thomas...a slight stretch at #4 but not as bad as Mays. We really shouldn't use that pick on a safety at all. Tackle is a bigger need. Remember, last year we didn't have Chris Horton to bench Landry for. Also, I think Kareem Moore has a bright future. Along with Doughty, we're already fairly deep at Safety even if we lose Landry. Could we use another one? Sure...but we're not desperate enough at the position to use a #4 pick on a safety. We'd be playing Vinny Ball again, ignoring our biggest need for a flashy player who could be great, but wouldn't really be helping our team as much as the Draft pick could.[/quote]

Prob is an overpayment but my basis would all be on if certain trades happen.

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Taylor mays could be good (not #4 good tho), but the more i watch him, the more i see Landry. Strait line guy getting toasted on double moves.

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Taylor Mays should and probably will play LB in the pros.

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[quote=jdc65;683900]Right off the bat, Baltimore looks like an ideal trading partner. They will move LT Jared Gaither for either Haynesorth, Rogers, or Cooley. [/quote]

Gaither isnt going anywhere, the Ravens were just threatening to trade him to force him to come to voluntary workouts.

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[quote=SmootSmack;684009]Taylor Mays should and probably will play LB in the pros.[/quote]

i've read that before, too. can he put enough weight on? i'm assuming he'd be an ideal 3-4 ILB if so.

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[quote=johno;684017]Gaither isnt going anywhere, the Ravens were just threatening to trade him to force him to come to voluntary workouts.[/quote]

We've seen THAT many times this offseason. If a team or player wants to play hardball to get their way, they mention the Redskins. :blah:

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Could we trade down to get the seahawks 2 first rounds? I was talking to a coworker about what if we were able to trade Landry and the 4th pick for their first round picks and a third. We use those picks to select Eric Berry and Charles Brown or another Tackle.... What do you think?

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[quote=diehardskin2982;684084]Could we trade down to get the seahawks 2 first rounds? I was talking to a coworker about what if we were able to trade Landry and the 4th pick for their first round picks and a third. We use those picks to select Eric Berry and Charles Brown or another Tackle.... What do you think?[/quote]

I like it!:)

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[quote=diehardskin2982;684084]Could we trade down to get the seahawks 2 first rounds? I was talking to a coworker about what if we were able to trade Landry and the 4th pick for their first round picks and a third. We use those picks to select Eric Berry and Charles Brown or another Tackle.... What do you think?[/quote]

Lets look at the value of the picks you mention:

Redskins 1st rounder, 4th overall - 1,800 points.

Seahawks 1st rounder, 6th overall - 1600 points.
Seahawks 1st rounder, 14th overall - 1100 points.
Seahawks 3rd rounder, non-existant - they traded it to Philly.

Even without the mythical 3rd rounder, your proposed trade would indicate that Landry is worth 900 points to the seahawks - thats the equivalent of the 18th overall pick in the first round. We'd be lucky to get the 18th pick in the THIRD round for Landry. Sorry, but thats about the most unrealistic trade scenario i've ever seen.

The 49ers also have two 1st round picks, 13th and 17th overall. They need safety help so ts possible we could trade the #4 overall and Landry for both of their first rounders, but there'd have to be someone there 4th overall worth trading up for and i dont think there is for them.

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^ thanks for the feedback, but I think the McNabb trade indicates that anything is possible... and as a matter of fact teams have often feel in love with players and do crazy things because of fear.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;684142]^ thanks for the feedback, but I think the McNabb trade indicates that anything is possible... and as a matter of fact teams have often feel in love with players and do crazy things because of fear.[/quote]

You concocted a truly ridiculous scenario without checking to see what picks the teams have or even looking at a draft value chart - and instead of admitting your mistake, you justify it by saying teams do crazy things because of fear? GMs sometimes overreact and overpay, but they wouldnt do anything like you suggest because it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

if the redskins and seahawks executed the trade you suggested, then both GMs would be fired the next day:

- Bruce Allen, for accepting an imaginary draft pick as part of the deal
- John Schneider, for being a moron

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;684118]The 49ers also have two 1st round picks, 13th and 17th overall. They need safety help so ts possible we could trade the #4 overall and Landry for both of their first rounders, but there'd have to be someone there 4th overall worth trading up for and i dont think there is for them.[/quote]Hmmmm, sounds like we've seen that trade before. :laughing-

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;684312]Hmmmm, sounds like we've seen that trade before. :laughing-[/quote]

i don't know what youre talking about... :silly:

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;684312]Hmmmm, sounds like we've seen that trade before. :laughing-[/quote]

:rofl: Nah the commish would NEVER allow something like that!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;684327]:rofl: Nah the commish would NEVER allow something like that![/quote]What's done, is done.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;684312]Hmmmm, sounds like we've seen that trade before. :laughing-[/quote]

Colt McCoy - Buffalo Bill

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;684346]What's done, is done.[/quote]

good times LOL :food-smil

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Kiper was just saying that he thinks the skins should get Okung with our first and in the fourth round we should get up and coming star Ramone Harewood from Morehouse College. Any one know anything about this guy?

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This is all I can find right now CB59.

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1675485?tag=pageRow;pageContainer]Ramone Harewood, Morehouse, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

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[quote=CultBrennan59;684421]Kiper was just saying that he thinks the skins should get Okung with our first and in the fourth round we should get up and coming star Ramone Harewood from Morehouse College. Any one know anything about this guy?[/quote]
heard he did well at the Senior Bowl.. big guy

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He played at the Senior bowl? I thought it was the texas vs the nation or east west shrine game

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[QUOTE=CultBrennan59;684450]He played at the Senior bowl? I thought it was the texas vs the nation or east west shrine game[/QUOTE]
he was at both.. senior bowl and texas vs nation

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^ does anyone remember how he performed? I think we should get Jason Fox though over this guy, because Fox is a natural fit for the Zone blocking scheme, this guy seems slow and a big body guy, which isn't exactly what you want in the ZBS

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[quote=CultBrennan59;684455]^ does anyone remember how he performed? I think we should get Jason Fox though over this guy, because Fox is a natural fit for the Zone blocking scheme, this guy seems slow and a big body guy, which isn't exactly what you want in the ZBS[/quote]
[quote]Ramon Harewood (Morehouse) was a left tackle in college. He was quite impressive at right guard for team Texas in the game, pushing guys off the line and looking very comfortable getting to the second level to take out smaller defenders. He gave West Texas A&M running back Keithon Flemming big holes to run through. Flemming's vision, toughness, quick cuts and stiff arm were eye-opening.[/quote]

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/12896728/texas-vs-nation-who-scored-on-golden-opportunity]Texas vs. Nation: Who scored on golden opportunity? - NFL - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com[/url]

just read he was pretty solid in practices too[FONT=Arial, Helvetica][SIZE=2]
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[quote=SFREDSKIN;683018]Yep, Haynesworth and Landry could be moved (Haynesworth will be tougher because of cost).


Donovan McNabb trade: Albert Haynesworth, LaRon Landry reportedly offered to Eagles

The Donovan McNabb trade story is about more than a quarterback. The Redskins reportedly offered defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth to the Eagles in exchange for McNabb.

There are multiple reports now that Haynesworth was part of the negotiations, and we'd heard this weekend that the team was shopping the talented defensive tackle around, too (to whom, though, wasn't clear until Sunday night).

If true, it's very telling that the team was willing to part ways with Haynesworth after just one season. Owner Daniel Snyder signed him to the mega-deal just 13 months ago; to send him packing now means that the new regime 1) isn't certain how he fits into its plans, or 2) simply doesn't want him in their building. Shanahan has made it clear that he wants to see commitment from every player and he's disappointed that Haynesworth isn't participating in the team's offseason conditioning program.

Depending on when the Redskins offered Haynesworth, it could also show just how desperate they are to get rid of him. Last Thursday, Haynesworth was paid a $21 million contract bonus. If the Redskins were still trying to include him in the trade over the weekend, that means they'd be okay with the possibility of paying Haynesworth tens of millions of dollars for essentially 12 football games. It's more likely Haynesworth was part of the discussions before the bonus was paid out, which simply means that despite the major financial commitment made a year ago in free agency, the new staff is not nearly as keen on Haynesworth as the old one.

There are clearly no sacred cows at Redskins Park. Jason Campbell's days are numbered (although the team has no leverage in any deal with potential suitors), and reports also indicate that the Redskins offered Philadelphia safety LaRon Landry, the Redskins' first-round pick in the 2007 draft. That, coupled with the fact that Eric Berry was in town for a pre-draft visit, could lead you to believe the Redskins feel they can afford to upgrade mightily at the safety position.

A year ago at this time, it seemed like Haynesworth and Landry were both crucial cogs to the Redskins' defense. Quite a change if their most important role right now is as trade bait.[/quote]


Best post on this was the poster(forget who it was) told it was like it is. AH is a lazy slacker, and simply doesn't fit into a 3-4 scheme. Why we gave the guy suck a crazy contract still boggles my mind. Our team was not going to improve significantly with AH on board since the offense was the weakest link. Shoot the Bruce Smith acquisition was better than this.

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[QUOTE=GusFrerotte;684463]Best post on this was the poster(forget who it was) told it was like it is. AH is a lazy slacker, and simply doesn't fit into a 3-4 scheme. Why we gave the guy suck a crazy contract still boggles my mind. Our team was not going to improve significantly with AH on board since the offense was the weakest link. [B]Shoot the Bruce Smith acquisition was better than this.[/[/B]QUOTE]

You've got to be joking, when we got AH we were a 4-3. AH will be a beast in the 3-4 at RDE.

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Harewood is a BIG dude, 6'6"-350lbs, he projects as a guard due to his size and quickness in space. He is also a 2-3 yr project because of lack of experience; he is from Barbados until recently, and lack of quality competition. Everywhere that I have read has him projected as a 6-7th rd or undrafted. Calloway, Newhouse, and Wang all are rated higher in the boards I have seen as potential 4th rounders. Fox is an option in the 4th, but he has several medical red flags.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;684496]
You've got to be joking, when we got AH we were a 4-3. AH will be a beast in the 3-4 at RDE.[/quote]

I agree with you completely and some folks do not get it.

Why some of these people even spend a minute worrying about how much money Albert is making...I have no clue. What does it matter? Is your paycheck affected by how much he makes? No! Will it improve your life if Albert makes less money? NO! His paycheck and his ability have no relationship at all.
Dan Snyder pays his salary, and there is no cap this year. Why would anybody care if Snyder buys him a house and deposits 60 million dollars in Alberts bank account. WHO CARES?
An another thing...as far as his ability. This guy is the best defensive tackle in the league when healthy. So he plays 12 games per year. I would rather have an all pro for 12 games than Montgomery in there for all 16. Haynesworth will be even better as a DE in the 3-4. He will DESTROY.

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[quote=internetcareer;684526]I agree with you completely and some folks do not get it.

Why some of these people even spend a minute worrying about how much money Albert is making...I have no clue. What does it matter? Is your paycheck affected by how much he makes? No! Will it improve your life if Albert makes less money? NO! His paycheck and his ability have no relationship at all.
Dan Snyder pays his salary, and there is no cap this year. Why would anybody care if Snyder buys him a house and deposits 60 million dollars in Alberts bank account. WHO CARES?
An another thing...as far as his ability. This guy is the best defensive tackle in the league when healthy. So he plays 12 games per year. I would rather have an all pro for 12 games than Montgomery in there for all 16. Haynesworth will be even better as a DE in the 3-4. He will DESTROY.[/quote]


You know what's going to happen they will trade him for a player & some draft picks, then we will have an Offense & no Defense & people will be yelling why we cant stop anyone.