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[quote=Pocket$ $traight;691481]I will break the nearest TV if we take Tebow in the first round...[/quote]

:goodjob:

If we take Tebow at all I will basically smash my TV and burn my Skins jerseys. If we take Tebow in the first, I will set my house on fire!!!

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[quote=GusFrerotte;691377]This would be very nice. I think the Carriker deal was a nice deal as well, but I do not like how we have again managed to widdle away our picks for the win now approach talked about in the Carriker thread. Bottom line is we need more picks!!!!![/quote]

I forget who posted it, but credit to the Warpath member who legitimately listed out our picks:

1-?
2-McNabb, not a win now only mentality, certainly seems like they want him for 3 yrs (no extension aside)
3-Jarmon, good to very good supplemental pickup last year before he got hurt, also on VC's watch
4- ?
5-?+Carriker
6:vomit:
7-?

so really, even though it's a bummer to only have 1 pick in a deep draft, I don't think saying win now mentality caused us to be short picks is accurate

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;691466]according to multiple sources, the skins are pushing hard to trade up and acquire bradford. evidently mcnabb is going to be a one year rental[/quote]

other than the nfl fanhouse article who's still pushing this?

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[quote=Mattyk;691480]The voices in his head? lol

:silly:[/quote]

His voices are so much clearer than the ones in my head. Wish I could get the ones in my head to make some decisions & enunciate better!

So far the press that has said Allen & Shanny love to keep everyone guessing are right on. And they've done a great job of keeping things under wraps. No one saw the McNabb deal coming.

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[quote=Mattyk;691480]The voices in his head? lol

:silly:[/quote]

NFP and the AOL were reporting it. Sorry for not providing links earlier, i was on my cell phone. I suppose I should have used the term "outlets" as opposed to "sources."

[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Report-Skins-still-trying-to-land-Bradford.html&team=101]Report: 'Skins still trying to land Bradford | National Football Post[/url]

[url=http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/04/22/source-redskins-still-in-play-for-bradford/]Sources: Redskins Still In Play for Bradford -- NFL FanHouse[/url]

seems crazy to me though as we would evidently have given up a 2nd rounder on McNabb just to have him as a 1-year rental. we'd be fools not to trade him if we signed Bradford.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;691498]NFP and the AOL were reporting it. Sorry for not providing links earlier, i was on my cell phone. I suppose I should have used the term "outlets" as opposed to "sources."

[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Report-Skins-still-trying-to-land-Bradford.html&team=101]Report: 'Skins still trying to land Bradford | National Football Post[/url]

[url=http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/04/22/source-redskins-still-in-play-for-bradford/]Sources: Redskins Still In Play for Bradford -- NFL FanHouse[/url]

seems crazy to me though as we would evidently have given up a 2nd rounder on McNabb just to have him as a 1-year rental. we'd be fools not to trade him if we signed Bradford.[/quote]

I smell smoke, not a real move. It is easier to create a trade down if we tell others that we are a wildcard who might not do the expected.

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The first link references the 2nd link and the 2nd link's most concrete line says:"One of the sources said that Washington was the only team still in the mix to trade for Bradford"

This the viral media spiral i hate. One source, anonymous and very obtuse, has a point that makes a juicy story, and it gets picked up and repeated until it seems to be coming from everywhere.

I'll see you one source and raise you a stlouis reporter tweet

* Name Bernie Miklasz
* Web [url]http://stltoday.c[/url]...
* Bio St. Louis Post-Dispatch sports columnist
tweeted
Nothing going on between Rams and Redskins for the No. 1 overall pick, multiple sources at Rams Park tell me.
25 minutes ago via UberTwitter

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;691506]The first link references the 2nd link and the 2nd link's most concrete line says:"One of the sources said that Washington was the only team still in the mix to trade for Bradford"

This the viral media spiral i hate. One source, anonymous and very obtuse, has a point that makes a juicy story, and it gets picked up and repeated until it seems to be coming from everywhere.

I'll see you one source and raise you a stlouis reporter tweet

* Name Bernie Miklasz
* Web [URL]http://stltoday.c[/URL]...
* Bio St. Louis Post-Dispatch sports columnist
tweeted
[B]Nothing going on between Rams and Redskins for the No. 1 overall pick, multiple sources at Rams Park tell me.[/B]
[B]25 minutes ago via UberTwitter[/B][/quote]

Good update - thanks

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;691498]NFP and the AOL were reporting it. Sorry for not providing links earlier, i was on my cell phone. I suppose I should have used the term "outlets" as opposed to "sources."

[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Report-Skins-still-trying-to-land-Bradford.html&team=101]Report: 'Skins still trying to land Bradford | National Football Post[/url]

[url=http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/04/22/source-redskins-still-in-play-for-bradford/]Sources: Redskins Still In Play for Bradford -- NFL FanHouse[/url]

seems crazy to me though as we would evidently have given up a 2nd rounder on McNabb just to have him as a 1-year rental. we'd be fools not to trade him if we signed Bradford.[/quote]

NFP "source" is just a link to Fanhouse, so it's not multiple sources. It's really just one guy.

The real conversation right now with the Rams is about their 1st pick....in the 2nd round

(right now word is Berry is our pick if we stay at #4, so I guess they think they can get their OT at the top of the 2nd? And/or add Jammal Brown?) Still plenty of time to go though

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Maybe they'll package Haynesworth and Rocky along with the 4th pick? Just speculating?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;691506]The first link references the 2nd link and the 2nd link's most concrete line says:"One of the sources said that Washington was the only team still in the mix to trade for Bradford"

This the viral media spiral i hate. One source, anonymous and very obtuse, has a point that makes a juicy story, and it gets picked up and repeated until it seems to be coming from everywhere.

I'll see you one source and raise you a stlouis reporter tweet

* Name Bernie Miklasz
* Web [url]http://stltoday.c[/url]...
* Bio St. Louis Post-Dispatch sports columnist
tweeted
Nothing going on between Rams and Redskins for the No. 1 overall pick, multiple sources at Rams Park tell me.
25 minutes ago via UberTwitter[/quote]

Schefter just confirmed that he doesnt see this happening as the Rams are asking too much for the rights to Bradford. What I dont get is what some Rams beat writer allegedly said on ESPN - He used the analogy of a guy going into buy a suit (Bradford) and can't make his mind up so while he's waiting they get him to buy a tie(Carriker). How can the team's beat writer be dumb enough to not know we've been pursuing Carriker for a while. I don't think any teams beat writers have the slightest clue of whats going on.

I also still don't see what the love affair with Bradford is - he has alot of potential, but no one thinks he could be ready to start right away and i dont think you can spend the #1 overall pick on a guy you dont expect to start (and play at a decent-to-above average level) immediately.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;691510]are you referring to this:


Report: ‘Skins still trying to land Bradford

Joe Fortenbaugh, The National Football Post 2 hours, 24 minutes ago

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Could Bradford be heading to Washington?
AP

Less than one month after trading for Donovan McNabb(notes), the Washington Redskins may not be done addressing the quarterback position. [B]Per a report from Dan Graziano of AOL Fanhouse.com[/B], the Washington Redskins are still in discussions with the St. Louis Rams regarding a deal for Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford.

Graziano cites [B]sources[/B] who tell him that the ‘Skins are still in the hunt for Bradford...[/quote]
that's the first link which builds a whole story based on Fanhouse story which builds on an anonymous source which the NFP refers to as sources, plural...

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[quote=SmootSmack;691509]NFP "source" is just a link to Fanhouse, so it's not multiple sources. It's really just one guy.

The real conversation right now with the Rams is about their 1st pick....in the 2nd round

[B](right now word is Berry is our pick if we stay at #4, so I guess they think they can get their OT at the top of the 2nd? And/or add Jammal Brown?) Still plenty of time to go though[/B][/quote]

Wow...that would seem kind of out of left-field if Okung and Williams are still on the boards as it is projected to be the case. What about this scenario -- Redskins show everyone they are not bluffing and pick Clausen. Then you've got Cleveland, Buffalo and possibly Oakland who suddenly become trade partners to whom we can send Clausen for Okung/Williams and picks?

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Are we going to have an official draft thread in the main forum or in here?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;691511]Schefter just confirmed that he doesnt see this happening as the Rams are asking too much for the rights to Bradford. What I dont get is what some Rams beat writer allegedly said on ESPN - He used the analogy of a guy going into buy a suit (Bradford) and can't make his mind up so while he's waiting they get him to buy a tie(Carriker). How can the team's beat writer be dumb enough to not know we've been pursuing Carriker for a while. I don't think any teams beat writers have the slightest clue of whats going on.

[B]I also still don't see what the love affair with Bradford is - he has alot of potential, but no one thinks he could be ready to start right away and i dont think you can spend the #1 overall pick on a guy you dont expect to start (and play at a decent-to-above average level) immediately.[/B][/quote]

PURE SPECULATION:
What if the Rams really were hoping that they could get a team to pull the trigger on Bradford, and now since nothing came about, they end up going with a DT (Suh). Then at 4, we are able to trade down because a team definitely wants Bradford at that point, and we are more pick hungry/willing to deal! I would find that kind of funny

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[quote=SmootSmack;691509]NFP "source" is just a link to Fanhouse, so it's not multiple sources. It's really just one guy.

The real conversation right now with the Rams is about their 1st pick....in the 2nd round

(right now word is Berry is our pick if we stay at #4, so I guess they think they can get their OT at the top of the 2nd? And/or add Jammal Brown?) Still plenty of time to go though[/quote]

I was thinking that Berry would be the surprise if we stayed at 4. I'd love to have the kid, his play is great and it's nice hearing him talk about his visit and how he models his game after 21. If we do that we need to figure out something with the line though definitely. What are we doing to get the pick at the top of the 2nd?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;691511][B]Schefter just confirmed that he doesnt see this happening as the Rams are asking too much for the rights to Bradford. [/B]What I dont get is what some Rams beat writer allegedly said on ESPN - He used the analogy of a guy going into buy a suit (Bradford) and can't make his mind up so while he's waiting they get him to buy a tie(Carriker). How can the team's beat writer be dumb enough to not know we've been pursuing Carriker for a while. I don't think any teams beat writers have the slightest clue of whats going on.

I also still don't see what the love affair with Bradford is - he has alot of potential, but no one thinks he could be ready to start right away and i dont think you can spend the #1 overall pick on a guy you dont expect to start (and play at a decent-to-above average level) immediately.[/quote]

But...but...but I thought you said Schefter is the one guy you couldn't trust for Redskins news because of his close relation with Shanahan?

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Damn Berry? I want to get some of whatever KS is on. I still dont see how our Oline is good.

I would be upset if we got Berry, but not as much as if we got a QB.

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Cowboys front runners for Jared Gaither apparently

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[quote=hooskins;691520]Damn Berry? I want to get some of whatever KS is on. I still dont see how our Oline is good.

I would be upset if we got Berry, but not as much as if we got a QB.[/quote]

I mean it's still early, and I would suspect they're not going after Berry without having a plan to get an OT or two elsewhere. I'm certain that we will have at least one new OT before Saturday morning

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I wouldn't hate the Berry pick at all, just as long as we've got plans to get a quality LT somewhere, somehow, which I'm sure we do.

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[quote=SmootSmack;691522]I mean it's still early, and I would suspect they're not going after Berry without having a plan to get an OT or two elsewhere. I'm certain that we will have at least one new OT before Saturday morning[/quote]

Can you say Flozell.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;691526]Can you say Flozell.[/quote]

Still a possibility, but I think a remote one.

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I am fine with Berry over the OT. We need to pick the best player on the board that can help us the most for the next 10 years not just the guy we need the most 4 months from now.

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According to the evil news media...Berry is possibly the most complete pick in the draft and I've even read that some consider him the best player in the draft, the only knock on him being that he is a safety and no one wants to pay #1 pick money to a safety. Would he be a quality addition to our team? Sure, do we desperately need a quality addition elsewhere in the lineup? Oh yeah...

But yeah, I essentially agree with Matty...

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a) Skins pick Berry
b) Skins package Landry in a trade for Jammal Brown

Poof. Upgrade at FS and LT.

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[quote=SmootSmack;691521]Cowboys front runners for Jared Gaither apparently[/quote]


Master of the Obvious quote of the day: If the Boyz get Gaither and we end up with Flozell or Levi that is not a good thing...

I cringe everytime I think about our current starting o-line. I hope that I can have a celebratory beverage tonight...

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[quote=hooskins;691520]Damn Berry? I want to get some of whatever KS is on. I still dont see how our Oline is good.

I would be upset if we got Berry, but not as much as if we got a QB.[/quote]
KS isn't picking.. he'll have his input though.

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[quote=Lotus;691533]a) Skins pick Berry
b) Skins package Landry in a trade for Jammal Brown

Poof. Upgrade at FS and LT.[/quote]

I'd be happy with that.

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[quote=Lotus;691533]a) Skins pick Berry
b) Skins package Landry in a trade for Jammal Brown

Poof. Upgrade at FS and LT.[/quote]

I like this scenario.

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[quote=Lotus;691533]a) Skins pick Berry
b) Skins package Landry in a trade for Jammal Brown

Poof. Upgrade at FS and LT.[/quote]


That sounds pretty good in theory.

Doesn't anyone else want to see the 230 going on 240 Laron "Barry Bonds" Landry in action!?

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[quote=Lotus;691533]a) Skins pick Berry
b) Skins package Landry in a trade for Jammal Brown

Poof. Upgrade at FS and LT.[/quote]
I could see that happening as long as the Skins think that they can get the trade done.

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[quote=tryfuhl;691540]I could see that happening as long as the Skins think that they can get the trade done.[/quote]

Yeah, you'd have to have the second part all worked out before you pulled the trigger on the first part.

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TK on extremeskins says the skins are waiting for one thing to happen for 'trick the skins have up their sleeve' (per Schefter) to work. I'm thinking the one thing is Jamaal Brown signing his RFA tender. If he does, i think one of the two scenarios will happen, based on tidbits Smoot has shared and my own crazy theorizing:


[B][U]Scenario 1: Bradford[/U][/B]

- Jamaal Brown and the Saints 2nd round pick to the Skins for Landry, McIntosh, and Haynesworth.

- Redskins send #4, the Saints 2nd, and Andre Carter to the Rams for the #1 overall pick, which they use to select Sam Bradford

- Redskins trade Donovan McNabb to the Raiders for their 2nd round pick and LB Kirk Morrison

- Redskins sign Flozell Adams

[B][U]Scenario 2 - Berry[/U][/B]

- Jamaal Brown and the Saints 2nd round pick to the Skins for Landry, McIntosh, and Haynesworth.

- Redskins select Eric Berry

- Redskins sign Flozell Adams

Personally, I hope we keep Landry. The dude's bulked up so much he could play ILB full-time if he adds a few more points.

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[quote=SmootSmack;691521]Cowboys front runners for Jared Gaither apparently[/quote]

I was still hoping there was some way we could swing that trade. The Cowboys are the last place I want him to go. Especially with the speculation about Flozell. That would be a nightmare.

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If the Redskins trade Landry, McIntosh, and Haynesworth for Brown and the Saints' second, I will lose a great deal of faith in this new front office. Haynesworth for Brown and the Saints' second would be a fair deal for both teams -- you're talking about arguably the best defensive player in the game whom you're getting cheap for pro bowl OT and a second. Even Steven. No need to throw in McIntosh and Landry.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;691579]If the Redskins trade Landry, McIntosh, and Haynesworth for Brown and the Saints' second, I will lose a great deal of faith in this new front office. Haynesworth for Brown and the Saints' second would be a fair deal for both teams -- you're talking about arguably the best defensive player in the game whom you're getting cheap for pro bowl OT and a second. Even Steven. No need to throw in McIntosh and Landry.[/quote]

I completely with you...those trades above are absolute garbage. Just keep the 4th and take a franchise LT. They are downgrading Albert, Rocky and Landry waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much in those scenarios.

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[quote=rbanerjee23;691579]If the Redskins trade Landry, McIntosh, and Haynesworth for Brown and the Saints' second, I will lose a great deal of faith in this new front office. Haynesworth for Brown and the Saints' second would be a fair deal for both teams -- you're talking about arguably the best defensive player in the game whom you're getting cheap for pro bowl OT and a second. Even Steven. No need to throw in McIntosh and Landry.[/quote]
Yeah that's a bit much.

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If we could acquire a stopgap for one year at OT, I wouldn't be against drafting Berry. Landry definitely played his best ball as a rookie when he was teamed with Sean Taylor. Perhaps he could return to form teamed with Berry, then we could address long-term OT need in next year's FA and draft. I'm not entirely sold that Okung or Trent Williams are worthy of #4 overall, but the more I read about Berry, the more intrigued I've become - he looks like the surest bet for multiple Pro-Bowl stardom.

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After hearing Condon say, that he's been down this road before with Eli Manning, reffering to the draft which he didn't want to go to sunny San Diego, and went to New York. We could still get Bradford, should he fall or if the Rams trade down...