Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;693226]PFT + JLC = Fail. This story couldn't be more wrong. We are not trading him. End of story. I'm now going to refer to them as the true liberal media, because while it's nice to hear rumors and the like during the offseason it gets annoying when they're dead wrong. The liberal part comes into play because they're are very Laissez-faire with what they'll use to write a story.[/quote]

smoot disagrees

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

Out of all the great moves this FO has done, they really screwed up this situation with Haynesworth. My hope is that they get more than one draft pick in compensation, yet still these draft picks won't have the talent that AH .

If Shanahan "didn't like" AH, then they should have been straight up with him and put him on the block. Instead, we've had this whole circus fueled by Florio, JLC, and the morons at ESPN980. I don't think AH is completely innocent in this one, but to me he made sense by saying that the best way to use him would be at DE in our new 3-4.

While it will be nice to get the picks, I feel that we will be making another team better by giving them AH.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=Ruhskins;693233]Out of all the great moves this FO has done, they really screwed up this situation with Haynesworth. My hope is that they get more than one draft pick in compensation, yet still these draft picks won't have the talent that AH .

If Shanahan "didn't like" AH, then they should have been straight up with him and put him on the block. [B] Instead, we've had this whole circus fueled by Florio, JLC, and the morons at ESPN980. [/B] I don't think AH is completely innocent in this one, but to me he made sense by saying that the best way to use him would be at DE in our new 3-4.

While it will be nice to get the picks, I feel that we will be making another team better by giving them AH.[/quote]


actually this whole thing was fueled by the team actively shopping haynesworth for the past few weeks/months, even though many of you stuck your head in the sand and believed shanahans pawn schefter over everyone else. hopefully this thing gets done.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;693231]smoot disagrees[/quote]

Someone hacked Smoots account. That or all the work he has to do at the NFL draft has left him temporarily insane :D

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;693237]actually this whole thing was fueled by the team actively shopping haynesworth for the past few weeks/months, even though many of you stuck your head in the sand and believed shanahans pawn schefter over everyone else. hopefully this thing gets done.[/quote]

They have not been actively shopping him. They have been actively listening. And now there are two or three teams that are in serious play for him. They have not been going around saying "please take this guy"

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=Dirtbag359;693238]Someone hacked Smoots account. That or all the work he has to do at the NFL draft has left him temporarily insane :D[/quote]

I'm chillin'. No work needed at the draft for me

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;693237]actually this whole thing was fueled by the team actively shopping haynesworth for the past few weeks/months, even though many of you stuck your head in the sand and believed shanahans pawn schefter over everyone else. hopefully this thing gets done.[/quote]

I know AH has been shopped, but these guys are overdramatizing the whole situation. To me I just hope the team doesn't trade AH just because "they don't like him" (which sounds like it is coming from a middle school dance). And they trade him because he's the most valuable asset to trade and they believe that we will be fine without him.

Personally, I think it doesn't make much sense to trade a guy that will improve another team vastly, while taking talent away from us. It's not like we have the personnel at the defensive line to lose someone like Haynesworth. Personally, I think the coaching staff last year had as much blame on his not so great performance. People are still sulking because the team gave him 100 mil contract like if it was AH's fault.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=SmootSmack;693239]They have not been actively shopping him. They have been actively listening. And now there are two or three teams that are in serious play for him. [B]They have not been going around saying "please take this guy"[/B][/quote]

And this is what Mike Florio, JLC, and ESPN980 would want people to believe.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

shefty said we aren't...he's usually pretty spot on.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

Just remember that at this time of year especially a lot of deals come very, very close to happening and then fall through at the last minute.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

This is truly the battle of the network stars:
In the home corner weighing 210lbs
[B]Adam_Schefter[/B]

Once again, told that Redskins DT Albert Haynesworth is not being traded. #nfldraft 7 minutes ago via web

In the opposition corner, weighing 260 lbs and eating at Subway:

[B]Jason La Canfora[/B]

Plenty of sources still convinced Albert Haynesworth is dealt today, most likely to Titans for a 3rd rd pick. More on NFL Network/NFL.com about 1 hour ago via web

Going into the 9th round, who will land the knockout punch!

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=tootergray34;693244]shefty said we aren't...he's usually pretty spot on.[/quote]

# Once again, told that Redskins DT Albert Haynesworth is not being traded. #nfldraft 10 minutes ago via web

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;693237]actually this whole thing was fueled by the team actively shopping haynesworth for the past few weeks/months, even though many of you stuck your head in the sand and believed shanahans pawn schefter over everyone else. [B]hopefully this thing gets done.[/B][/quote]

Hopefully it does not get done. I want AH on our team.
Shopping him is all good and fine. While I do not want the Skins to get rid of him, [B]I am perfectly fine with trading him for fair trade value.[/B] Trading him for a 2nd and a 3rd is not fair trade value for a top 5 DT who can create sacks and collapse the pocket.
We have got to get out of this Vinny Cerratto/Dan Snyder mind set that we have to build our entire team through this one offseason. We need to be patient and build over time. Lets not give away future picks or give away value/commodities for less than its worth just because we have a boner to be in the 2nd and 3rd round.
Resist the immediate gratification.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=SmootSmack;693239]They have not been actively shopping him. They have been actively listening. And now there are two or three teams that are in serious play for him. They have not been going around saying "please take this guy"[/quote]

if you define actively shopping the way it sounds you are, then no NFL team ever actively shops anyone. i highly doubt any GM ever goes to another team and says, "please take this guy." teams have known for months we want to get rid of haynesworth. publicly denying it is the smartest way to actively shop him.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=SmootSmack;693245]Just remember that at this time of year especially a lot of deals come very, very close to happening and then fall through at the last minute.[/quote]

dream killer.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

He (Shefter) said:

# Once again, told that Redskins DT Albert Haynesworth is not being traded. #nfldraft 10 minutes ago via web

She (La Canfora) said:

Haynesworth deal expected to come down Friday

Posted: April 23rd, 2010 | Jason La Canfora | Tags: 2010 NFL Draft, Albert Haynesworth, Detroit Lions, Minnesota Vikings, Tennessee Titans, Washington Redskins

NEW YORK — Team and league sources remain convinced that the Redskins will trade DT Albert Haynesworth on Friday, most likely to the Titans for a third-round draft pick.

Despite various denials from multiple teams, the sources said the Redskins are still shopping Haynesworth and have held recent conversations with the Lions, Titans and Vikings.

The Lions’ interest was quelled for good Thursday night after they drafted DT Ndamukong Suh No. 2 overall, but people within the Redskins’ organization still view the Vikings, who have fears about DT Pat Williams’ age and future, and the Titans, with whom Haynesworth spent his career before 2009, as potential landing spots.

The Redskins have hoped to receive more than a third-round pick for Haynesworth, but that has proven difficult, if not impossible. The Titans don’t have a second-round pick, though the Vikings have two.

Haynesworth would be ecstatic about a return to Tennessee, according to league sources, and would be willing to alter his contract to facilitate a deal. He isn’t interested in playing nose tackle in a 3-4 scheme, and that problem will not resolve itself.

The Redskins have accrued several veteran 3-4 linemen in recent weeks and are eager to accumulate a pick Friday, as they don’t pick again until the fourth round Saturday. Haynesworth is seen as their only real trading chip because shipping off Jason Campbell isn’t likely until after teams draft quarterbacks this weekend.

Several executives from other teams don’t anticipate the Redskins receiving more than the 77th overall pick for Haynesworth and also expect him to be traded Friday.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

shefty is a BEAST if he is 210 hahahahahha.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

When does it all end?

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AH is still a Redskin. I don't think anyone will give us a 2nd round pick for his fat ass. I'm starting to believe he’ll be mopping around our sidelines again in 2010.:rolleyes:

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;693250]if you define actively shopping the way it sounds you are, then no NFL team ever actively shops anyone. i highly doubt any GM ever goes to another team and says, "please take this guy." teams have known for months we want to get rid of haynesworth. publicly denying it is the smartest way to actively shop him.[/quote]

Maybe I exaggerated to make a point but still there are players that teams call other teams about, and there are players that teams receive calls about. Al is the latter situation

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;693252]dream killer.[/quote]

I'm just saying don't go around thinking he's going to be traded for a 2nd round pick tonight. Because it might not happen.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

Posted at 5:48 PM ET, 04/23/2010
Shanahan on Haynesworth deal: 'It's not going to happen'

In an interview today with the NFL Network, Redskins Coach Mike Shanahan didn't leave himself any wiggle room about the prospects of defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth being traded.

"No, it's not going to happen....Albert Haynesworth will not be traded," Shanahan said.

Not sure if there are many ways to interpret that. AlthoughShanahan has publicly said similar things since his minicamp last week, reports, rumors and speculation persists, and
Tennessee, New Orleans, Minnesota and Detroit have all been linked in
trade talks.

The NFL Network's Jason LaCanfora reported this afternoon that Haynesworth would be moved today, likely to Tennessee in exchange for a third-round draft pick in tonight's draft. But Titans general manager Mike Reinfeldt used language just as strong as Shanahan's.

"It's a dead issue. It is not happening," Reinfeldt told reporters in Nashville, Tenn., according to The Tennessean. "From our perspective there is nothing [to the report] at all. I have not talked to the Redskins in a long time.''

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=SmootSmack;693265]I'm just saying don't go around thinking he's going to be traded for a 2nd round pick tonight. Because it might not happen.[/quote]

and if it doesn't he should remain a redskin, i mean i don't like the guy at all i think he is a douche as some of you may know. but he is one of the top defesive players in the nfl and we f-ed up by bringing him here and giving him 32 mil in the first year thats ruhtarded 100 time over. but what would be even worse imo is just giving the guy to another team for a bag of peanuts. eveyone can say what they want about the guy but he is a force on the field and as i was proven wrong(rarely happens) he actually played over 75% of the d snaps this year which is the leauge average.

i'm sorry but we can't just give this guy away we need to make it work if we can't get a high to mid second for him then i say we keep him and see what happens next year. personally i would rather have him play a few games then get benched and ride the pine all year then to watch our franchise get bent over then knee and beaten yet again. and then watch him dominate on another team.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

the skins prolly can't get what they consider "fair" value for him, so fat al will remain a redskin.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

They need any pick they can get at this point. Our intradivisional opponents in Philly and especially Dallas are going to be definitely upgraded, while we are going to get stuck with signing scrub FAs yet again. Donovan isn't going to get us anywhere if the current roster isn't updated and upgraded. He had a better O line in Philly and a much better WR trio to work with as well, and still didn't get past Dallas.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=SmootSmack;693265]I'm just saying don't go around thinking he's going to be traded for a 2nd round pick tonight. Because it might not happen.[/quote]

Smoot, any chance you can get the people at the ESPN Insider department to stop posting this quote? If memory serves me correctly it's about two weeks old. Not to mention the information it's based on comes from February.
[quote]Matt Mosley
I could still see this happening
"For the record, I still think the Redskins would entertain offers for Haynesworth. I sat at a breakfast table with Mike Shanahan at the owners meeting and heard the tone in his voice when he discussed Haynesworth's decision to skip the offseason conditioning program. He feels like Haynesworth has already defied him in front of the team, and that's part of why he's already tried to trade him at least once."[/quote]

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

Trading Al for a 3rd rd. pick...........would be stupid! I personally think La Canfora just keeps spewing this info becuz of bad sources. Schefter comes with info that is legit so I will definitely believe him over La Canfora.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;693277][QUOTE]They need any pick they can get at this point. [/quote]

i dissagree. fat al, like him or not, is too good of a player to trade away for crappy picks.


[quote]Our intradivisional opponents in Philly and especially Dallas are going to be definitely upgraded, while we are going to get stuck with signing scrub FAs yet again.[/quote]

i dissagree. philly lost mcnabb to us. that = downgrade for philly, upgrade for us. dallas really hasn't done much.


[quote]Donovan isn't going to get us anywhere if the current roster isn't updated and upgraded. He had a better O line in Philly and a much better WR trio to work with as well, and still didn't get past Dallas[/quote].[/QUOTE]

i dissagree. philly may have had a better 0-line but not wrs.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;693277]They need any pick they can get at this point. Our intradivisional opponents in Philly and especially Dallas are going to be definitely upgraded, while we are going to get stuck with signing scrub FAs yet again. Donovan isn't going to get us anywhere if the current roster isn't updated and upgraded. He had a better O line in Philly and a much better WR trio to work with as well, and still didn't get past Dallas.[/quote]

No, we need to make wise value judgements, and realize it is a process, not a firesale. MS and BA will field a competitive team, not waste draft picks OR talent, and we will go from there.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=SmootSmack;693265]I'm just saying don't go around thinking he's going to be traded for a 2nd round pick tonight. Because it might not happen.[/quote]

I just finished watching Mike Shanahan along with Rich Eisen on NFL network and he stated emphatically, Albert Haynesworth will not be traded. He mentioned the rumors that have been circulating, but Albert will be a Redskin this season.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

The Redskins made thier bed and they have to live with the fact that Al is not going anywhere and they will have to pick Saturday. Time to not give away next years draft for picks this season. Time to pay the piper! As for Al he needs to come in and work hard. He real could have a great season with the Redskins. Also it shows team that might be willing to give value that he is a team player and not a problem child. You never know some one might need a DT as the season moves on like a team like the Skins when J.Taylor was traded for!

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=Longtimefan;693318]I just finished watching Mike Shanahan along with Rich Eisen on NFL network and he stated emphatically, Albert Haynesworth will not be traded. He mentioned the rumors that have been circulating, but Albert will be a Redskin this season.[/quote]

Good to see this. The team should be focusing on the players they should trade, Rocky (who actually doesn't want to be here, and is getting a pass from fans) and Campbell (who needs to go somewhere else and get a second chance).

I'm sure JLC will continue with this bullshit story.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

Damn, wrong thread for my pick comment. LOL.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=Gtothearry;693288]Trading Al for a 3rd rd. pick...........would be stupid! I personally think La Canfora just keeps spewing this info becuz of bad sources. Schefter comes with info that is legit so I will definitely believe him over La Canfora.[/quote]

I think the next couple days will finally put a lid on the Albert Haynesworth trade talks. There are some, both media as well as fans who for some reason seem to just be obsessed with the idea of trading him regardless of how many reports come from within the organization to the contrary. Eventually (maybe) they'll come to the realization that it's not happening, and live with it.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=Longtimefan;693344]I think the next couple days will finally put a lid on the Albert Haynesworth trade talks. There are some, both media as well as fans who for some reason seem to just be obsessed with the idea of trading him regardless of how many reports come from within the organization to the contrary. Eventually (maybe) they'll come to the realization that it's not happening, and live with it.[/quote]

its not like it was all just made up. smoot said a deal seemed very close. apparently, something must have fallen through. hence the denials from shanahan and the titans. but unless you want to call smoot a liar, there's no denying that we were trying to trade him to the titans. it just didnt work out.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;693406]its not like it was all just made up. smoot said a deal seemed very close. apparently, something must have fallen through. hence the denials from shanahan and the titans. but unless you want to call smoot a liar, there's no denying that we were trying to trade him to the titans. it just didnt work out.[/quote]

Yes, but it's not like the team was desperate to do so as JLC insists it is.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

when did jlc use the word desperate? and if shanahan or Tennessee were, do you think they'd ever publicly admit it?

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;693423]when did jlc use the word desperate? and if shanahan or Tennessee were, do you think they'd ever publicly admit it?[/quote]

He doesn't have to, Shanahan doesn't owe anything to someone like JLC. And actually it was Andy Pollin saying that the Redskins were desperate.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;693406]its not like it was all just made up. smoot said a deal seemed very close. apparently, something must have fallen through. hence the denials from shanahan and the titans. but unless you want to call smoot a liar, there's no denying that we were trying to trade him to the titans. it just didnt work out.[/quote]

I would never call anyone a liar, but I'm more inclined to believe what comes from within the Redskins organization than I am any media source. If it's a liar, then Shanahan is the culprit and I don't think he wants to be preceived as being that. The debate will answer itself shortly.

Re: AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.
 

Well unless the Redskins are willing to trade AH for a 3rd rounder (which would be RIDICULOUSLY stupid) this ain't happening. Another Redskins story that JLC doesn't break.