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[quote=Ruhskins;702311]Well not much the sources, but this interview that Moss had with Jason Reid just didn't look good. Like I said, if true, this doesn't look good for Santana.[/quote]
Svrluga was the interviewer. And yeah, I'd be suspicious if someone answered me that way, but I've had it with Reid and his "sources" for a while now.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;702318][B]Svrluga was the interviewer[/B]. And yeah, I'd be suspicious if someone answered me that way, but I've had it with Reid and his "sources" for a while now.[/quote]

Oops, completely missed that, my bad.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;702271]I still say its Mike Sellers...[/quote]

If so, good thing we drafted a FB.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;702296]Here is the Buffalo News story:[URL="http://www.buffalonews.com/2010/05/20/1056021/nfl-name-emerges-in-doping-case.html"]NFL name emerges in doping case with doctor : City & Region : The Buffalo News[/URL]


I cut out alot, but thought these points were interesting[/quote]


Moss would luckily only be used as a witness in the case against the doctor, no legal risk for him.

Now, Goodell, that's another story...could get 4 games like Harrison.

Brandon Banks...you're the new miniature WR for the Skins...or maybe Brian Westbrook in the slot. :D

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I don't care, Moss is still one of my favorite Redskins. To bad he was caught. We can used all the juiced up WR's we can get.

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has there been any NFL players linked or punished for HgH before?

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[quote=Kalisto2010;702340]I don't care, Moss is still one of my favorite Redskins. To bad he was caught. We can used all the juiced up WR's we can get.[/quote]
I don't think that some of you get the difference between juicing with hgh and treating injuries.

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[quote=over the mountain;702343]has there been any NFL players linked or punished for HgH before?[/quote]

Rodney Harrison via Rushskins

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[quote=over the mountain;702343]has there been any NFL players linked or punished for HgH before?[/quote]

Yup, Rodney Harrison...

[url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2999994]Pats' Harrison suspended for violating NFL's drugs policy - NFL - ESPN[/url]

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So the consensus thing i'm hearing is that Moss is the one who used Hgh. The question now is:
A) Will he be suspended/how many games will he be suspended for?
B) do we now cut moss?

or

C) do we sign TO

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[quote=CultBrennan59;702351]So the consensus thing i'm hearing is that Moss is the one who used Hgh. The question now is:
A) Will he be suspended/how many games will he be suspended for?
B) do we now cut moss?

or

C) do we sign TO[/quote]

A- 4games
B- no
C- no, but I still think it wouldn't be a bad idea.

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[quote=Valleyranchgirl;702264]More DC drama lol. Role the dice and say Jansen. I am loving this off season of the Skins with an overpaid DT, HGH druggie, oline issues are still very real, who does McNabb throw too???, picking up players with a history of domestic violence issues come on Larry Johnson seriously. I think you all have lost any say about Dallas and there issue players from the 90's.[/quote]

Maybe if your literacy was higher than that of a 3rd grader you could be taken seriously. Emmitt, is that you??

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[quote=CultBrennan59;702351]So the consensus thing i'm hearing is that Moss is the one who used Hgh. The question now is:
A) Will he be suspended/how many games will he be suspended for?
B) do we now cut moss?

or

C) do we sign TO[/quote]

A.) Rodney Harrison was suspended 4 games (for HGH), Cushing's suspension is also 4 games, so it sounds like this is the standard punishment (anyone remember how many games Merriman got?)

B.) It wouldn't surprise me if Shanahan did this.

C.) We could, although I think TO and Moss are different types of receivers.

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what bothers me most about all this is that santana moss cheated and still managed to suck.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;702357]what bothers me most about all this is that santana moss cheated and still managed to suck.[/quote]

Well he took something that helped him heal, not something that helped him perform better on the field. Even if he did, our coaching staff sucked anyway.

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[quote=Ruhskins;702350]Yup, Rodney Harrison...

[URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2999994"]Pats' Harrison suspended for violating NFL's drugs policy - NFL - ESPN[/URL][/quote]

Dang, sounds like the league was able to take action against rodney b/c of his admission of guilt to prosecutors while an NFL security official was present.

I like how rodney came out and admitted what he did.

Rodney's situation sounds alot like santana's (atleast earlier on with what we know).

The only difference is that i do not believe an nfl security official or anyone from the nfl was in the room or privy to santana's admissions of guilt when they were questioning him in Sept. '09. This difference is a major one in the legal world, but im not sure how much that counts in the NFL world. The nfl could always start their own investigation, call santana in, santana being a man doesnt lie and admits to Hgh, boom, 4 game suspension.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;702351]So the consensus thing i'm hearing is that Moss is the one who used Hgh. The question now is:
A) Will he be suspended/how many games will he be suspended for?
B) do we now cut moss?

or

C) do we sign TO[/quote]

I think you're getting a little bit ahead of things

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[quote=tryfuhl;702344]I don't think that some of you get the difference between juicing with hgh and treating injuries.[/quote]

from what i understand from the little Ive heard so far is that hgh injected into the tissue is considered a PED (although slight) vs if the hgh is injected into the cartilage which speeds up the healing process.

given the difficulty in proving the intent of the injections, how much and where . . . i dont think it would be possible, punishment wise, to treat the 2 differently.

It would be nice if the nfl did away with the blanket 4 game suspension and tailor the suspension to fit the substance.

IMO roids and their masking agents should get they highest levels of punishment. (6 games)

HgH (which seems to be real prevalent given no testing, you can only get caught if an investigation is started and your name pops up) and other banned substances should get a lesser punishment (4 games).

Im not a fan of banned substances, but Hgh is a different kind of cat. i think the majority of players using a banned substance, probably use HgH b/c it is almost impossible to get caught for.

I wish Hgh could be tested, im sure by the time they figure out how to, the players are on to another new better PED.

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[quote=Mattyk;702361]I think you're getting a little bit ahead of things[/quote]

You think so? I don't. He won't be cut, but I don't see how a suspension isn't pending. If he misses a quarter of the season, I wouldn't be surprised if Shanahan looks to bring in another WR (Bobby Wade and Joey Galloway aren't doing it for me). I hope it's not TO however.

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[quote=GMScud;702370]You think so? I don't. He won't be cut, but I don't see how a suspension isn't pending. If he misses a quarter of the season, I wouldn't be surprised if Shanahan looks to bring in another WR (Bobby Wade and Joey Galloway aren't doing it for me). I hope it's not TO however.[/quote]

I definitely think it's a tad premature to assume anything at this point.

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I think you also have to consider that before the NFL acts on this they will probably want the other 22 names on that list. Based on some of the rumors flying around the internet now, one of the names already mentioned on this thread is HUGE for the NFL. If there are any more big time players on the list the NFL may just as soon hault an investigation and decide that pushing something this big would do more harm than good in terms of fans becoming fed up with PED scandals. Those names will come out in time, if this Galea indictment goes to trial then these players are going to have to testify and then their names are a matter of public record at that point. Best case scenario is that Galea pleads and that list never sees the light of day.

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What would they base their suspensionon?

Certainly if Santana's admission in Sept '09 was videotaped I could see the NFL suspending him.

If Santana signed a written statement admitting to it, I could see a suspension.

Unless the NFL is granted access to the prosecutors file which contains direct incriminating evidence or admissions on santana's part , I dont see how the NFL can take action right now. Although, Im sure they will after taking the necessary steps to gather evidence to support their position to suspend him and reduce his ability to earn a living.

So far, its reports and articles that santana admitted it. I think the NFL needs Santana to admit it or have trustworthy and reliable documentation evidencing that he admitted it.

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[quote=Mattyk;702373]I definitely think it's a tad premature to assume anything at this point.[/quote]

I think Moss being cut or TO being signed is premature, but I've got to think a suspension is coming Santana's way. He doesn't need to test positive to be suspended.

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[quote=GMScud;702382]I think Moss being cut or TO being signed is premature, but I've got to think a suspension is coming Santana's way. He doesn't need to test positive to be suspended.[/quote]

Yeah but they would at least need some solid proof or an admission on his part.

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[quote=SmootSmack;702076]I don't know for sure. Just know that Santana is one guy I've heard rumors about for a long time from credible folk.[/quote]

I'll be damned. Great stuff, but I was kind of hoping you were wrong thinking I would rather have it be one of our UDFA.

Context: Keep in mind this quote was posted before Sanatana's name was actually linked publicly to the doctor.

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I think it would all depend on how they run the test. All they have right now is a doctor coming into the USA with HGH and claiming he was going to visit Santana. It being a Federal investigation then I can see them requesting Santana to have to take whatever test needed to see if it's in is body. Now the big question is how long does it stay in the body for testing purposes and when was his last visit. Then there is also the issue that even though it might be out of his system, it might show up in a hair follicle test.

I think it boils down to how far the Feds want to go with it. Besides simply charging the Doctor for bringing it into the country.

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[quote=mlmdub130;701950]we really need a sarcasm smiley :)[/quote]

You mean like this
[IMG]http://www.yoyogames.com/extras/image/name/san1/160/147160/large/smiley_happy_weird.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=Dirtbag359;702425]You mean like this
[IMG]http://www.yoyogames.com/extras/image/name/san1/160/147160/large/smiley_happy_weird.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

yes.

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If the Redskins really feel they need another WR, I'd take a long look at Lance Moore. Personally, even without Moss I'd rather stick with what we have.

I don't expect Moss to get suspended this year. I think this will be a long drawn out process.

I also don't think Moss will be the only Redskin name to emerge if more names are released

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[quote=SmootSmack;702454]If the Redskins really feel they need another WR, I'd take a long look at Lance Moore. Personally, even without Moss I'd rather stick with what we have.

I don't expect Moss to get suspended this year. I think this will be a long drawn out process.

I also don't think Moss will be the only Redskin name to emerge if more names are released[/quote]

Yep, I agree. As long as Santana keeps quiet about this, we'll be well into the season before the sh*t really hits the fan on this one.

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Would the league really suspend 20+ guys league-wide simultaneously if there ends up being a big list of patients from the NFL with this doc? Doubtful, especially considering there is no test for HGH for the NFL to use, it may be tough to enforce.

The doctor has more to fear than the players.

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[quote=12thMan;702458]Yep, I agree. As long as Santana keeps quiet about this, we'll be well into the season before the sh*t really hits the fan on this one.[/quote]

Yeah I agree if he keeps quiet. The only problem would be is if the Feds call him in for questioning under oath. He definitely does not want to lie to them. I would also hope the Feds don't involve the NFL Commissioner until after they are completely done.

But I don't think its a detriment if he is told to sit a few games. Maybe it will give other WR's a chance to step up and show their worth even though all they have to do is wait until mid season when Moss gets another pulled hammy or groin muscle.

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Even if it all does blow up fast and he gets the 4 games off...

Dallas
Houston
St. Louis
Philly


Not too bad...he's back before tougher games like Indy.

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[quote=SBXVII;702470]Yeah I agree if he keeps quiet. The only problem would be is if the Feds call him in for questioning under oath. He definitely does not want to lie to them. I would also hope the Feds don't involve the NFL Commissioner until after they are completely done.

But I don't think its a detriment if he is told to sit a few games. Maybe it will give other WR's a chance to step up and show their worth even though all they have to do is wait until mid season when Moss gets another pulled hammy or groin muscle.[/quote]

Him telling the Feds the truth and having a presser 20 minutes later are two different things. I'm sure he's all lawyered up by now, so he should be aware of what he can and should be talking to them about if they, per chance, knock on his door.

In opinion this appears to be a case of a guy trying to get back on the field and not one trying to get a competitive edge.

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All it takes is one of those guys to talk & it makes that list valid. IMO.

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[quote=Buster;702464]Would the league really suspend 20+ guys league-wide simultaneously if there ends up being a big list of patients from the NFL with this doc? [B]Doubtfu[/B]l, especially considering there is no test for HGH for the NFL to use, it may be tough to enforce.

The doctor has more to fear than the players.[/quote]

why? if anything i would think goodell would jump at the opportunity to set an example. that is if there is the evidence they are saying there is

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Santana's already got his defense lined up...he was worried about Brian Cushing's tumor

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Yeah if he is forced into a position where he has to answer questions in open court then we have to worry a la Rodney Harrison in 2007, Goodell just stuck one of his security henchmen in the court room and once Harrison testified to having purchased HGH...BOOM suspended, right now though it works in his favor that investigators have already said players are not the target here. Also one player who was in the affidavit stated that he had never "knowingly" taken HGH from Galea. Being that there is no test, and the implications of the statement I wonder if Moss could say "He treated me, I didn't know it was HGH if it was that but I was never told at any point that HGH was being used on me" then Galea testifies that it was HGH and you have conflicting accounts of what took place, that should be enough to stave off a suspension based on the fact that the player never said he used and there is no test to prove he did. Goodell can't suspend someone in good faith when there is no admission of guilt and no test to prove guilt.

Galea would be smart to plead out anyway, he can't really expect to win this case.

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Also, the NFL stance on PED usage states that ultimately players are responsible for what they put into their bodies.

This stance doesn't really take into account the possiblity that a player can pay a health professional for treatment of an injury at which point they relinquish control to the health professional. I realize a doctor is always supposed to tell you exactly how he plans to treat an injury but what if this guy Galea just went ahead and did what he felt was in the player's best interest to heal the injury and neglected to disclose the nature of the treatment as it pertained to the NFL PED policy. I only bring this up because apparently this doctor was pretty well respected in the sports medicine community and had a tremendous patient roster with some very notable names on it.

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