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[quote=Chico23231;708924]There should be an age limit. Anyone who would give a condom to a first grader should be fired.

But that raises the question, which is the appropriate age? When does sex ed begin in school these days..5th, 6th grade? Make the condom availible to middle schooler then...its really not that hard of a problem to solve[/quote]

I doubt that they even stocked the elementary schools with them. It has to be done by request through the school nurse. What 1st grader is going to go to the school nurse to request a condom?

More Fox News flipping out over bullshit.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;708944]Schools are for learning. Homosexuality and religions other than Christianity are truths. If you really do support teaching the truth -- and not brainwashing -- then it seems to me that you would support teaching [I]any[/I] truth. Apparently not. You look to be exactly what you are preaching against.[/quote]

amen bro

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;709051]Sometimes I feel like I've crossed over into the twilight zone. I'm glad my grandfather didn't long enough to see this. He would've been so ashamed. :doh: To think we're actually talking about whether it's right or wrong to give children condoms. WTF? I'm out.[/quote]

It was very honorable of you to wait until after high school "gradjeeation" to have sex.

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[quote=Mattyk;709058]Do you really think in your Grandfather's time kids weren't bonking in the hay barn?[/quote]

they were already dropped out of school and producing limbed STDs by 16 back in the day

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;709124]

You assume most kids will have sex. I don't. How many pregnancies do you hear of at all male / all female boarding schools? [/quote]

Having worked with young couples from a large Christian university I can assure you that many of them screw like crazy once they get around each other, including those that went to gender-segregated schools. So many of them marry young so that they can either start getting it on or justify it.

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[quote=tryfuhl;709183]I doubt that they even stocked the elementary schools with them. It has to be done by request through the school nurse. What 1st grader is going to go to the school nurse to request a condom?

More Fox News flipping out over bullshit.[/quote]I have had the news on this weekend < all of the locals > as well as Fox News , not once did I see this issue discussed , so how do you assume that Fox is " fliiping out again " ? The flipping out mantra was also used when covering Judges giving light sentances for raping children [url=http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1557070/posts]The Judge Cashman Story (gives 60 days for child rapist in Vermont)[/url] ... [url=http://www.vermontcynic.com/2.11606/vermont-judge-sentences-convicted-child-rapist-to-60-day-sentence-1.1612199]Vermont Cynic - Vermont Judge Sentences Convicted Child Rapist to 60-day Sentence[/url] ... of course Fox News got attacked for covering this case also .

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[quote=tryfuhl;709183]More Fox News flipping out over bullshit.[/quote]
Yup, more Fox News flipping out over BS.

[URL="http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/condoms-kids-provincetown-massachusetts-offers-counseling-children-courts/story?id=11006233&page=3"]Condoms for Kids: Provincetown, Massachusetts Offers Counseling to Children, and Courts Controversy - ABC News[/URL]

It was a FOX affiliate in Boston, not FOX News that ran the initial story. And if it was no big deal why did the school board get swamped with complaints and "revisit" their policy? Provincetown is a progressive area and the locals had no issue with the policy. As far as I'm concerned their public school policy is their business, public schools are a local matter.

However, there's no way condoms should be provided by the school to any children in elementary school. Middle school and high school, there should always be parental consent. Sex Ed, fine as long as it is age appropriate and there's a parental option to opt-out.

When the police come knocking on the school superintendent's door and not mine for something my kid did, or when my son gets someone pregnant the school district will provide all the necessary financial support to raise the child, or when the school district can figure out a way to bring my kid back from the dead if he died of an STD, then they can give him condoms without my consent. Until he's an adult he's my responsibility, not the school districts or state's, and that being the case no one in my school district will give him anything without my consent.

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[quote=saden1;709069]Life is all about choice and personal responsibility. If you bring your children up right[B] no one[/B], and I mean no one, [B]can undermine your teachings[/B].[/quote]
spoken like someone who doesn't have kids. your way off base here, buddy

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A couple of things: first, where in the article is the political affiliation of this school board or town identified? Firstdown and Buster, you are just assuming, asserting that some strange town behaving strangely is part and parcel of a larger "left" plot to ultimately show porn in schools and discredit the bible or whatever, and not just the bizarre and somewhat inexplicable maneuvering of an obscure school board in the middle of nowhere (a school board which may in fact be solidly republican, although that's unlikely). And even if the school board is predominantly liberal, or ick, even gay, from what do you conclude that their goofy school boarding represents some sort of larger political trend? This is what I term the outrage culture, in which the media spoon feeds people largely meaningless, completely symbolic stories about people in other towns doing crazy outrageous things, and tells these people that said stories somehow represent larger national trends, in this case the left's plan to turn your cute little first grader into a camel porn watching fornicating gay Muslim, meanwhile distracting from issues of actual substance. This is a non-issue. If you don't like the board's policy, don't move to that town. End of story.

Second, Buster, you should really see a therapist. So much anger! At least Firstdown seems like a nice guy.

Third, USA! I'm proud of our boys, hell of a world cup.

Holla!

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[quote=djnemo65;709247]A couple of things: first, where in the article is the political affiliation of this school board or town identified? Firstdown and Buster, you are just assuming, asserting that some strange town behaving strangely is part and parcel of a larger "left" plot to ultimately show porn in schools and discredit the bible or whatever, and not just the bizarre and somewhat inexplicable maneuvering of an obscure school board in the middle of nowhere (a school board which may in fact be solidly republican, although that's unlikely). And even if the school board is predominantly liberal, or ick, even gay, from what do you conclude that their goofy school boarding represents some sort of larger political trend? This is what I term the outrage culture, in which the media spoon feeds people largely meaningless, completely symbolic stories about people in other towns doing crazy outrageous things, and tells these people that said stories somehow represent larger national trends, in this case the left's plan to turn your cute little first grader into a camel porn watching fornicating gay Muslim, meanwhile distracting from issues of actual substance. This is a non-issue. If you don't like the board's policy, don't move to that town. End of story.

Second, Buster, you should really see a therapist. So much anger! At least Firstdown seems like a nice guy.

Third, USA! I'm proud of our boys, hell of a world cup.

Holla![/quote]

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[quote=djnemo65;709247]A couple of things: first, where in the article is the political affiliation of this school board or town identified? Firstdown and Buster, you are just assuming, asserting that some strange town behaving strangely is part and parcel of a larger "left" plot to ultimately show porn in schools and discredit the bible or whatever, and not just the bizarre and somewhat inexplicable maneuvering of an obscure school board in the middle of nowhere (a school board which may in fact be solidly republican, although that's unlikely). And even if the school board is predominantly liberal, or ick, even gay, from what do you conclude that their goofy school boarding represents some sort of larger political trend? This is what I term the outrage culture, in which the media spoon feeds people largely meaningless, completely symbolic stories about people in other towns doing crazy outrageous things, and tells these people that said stories somehow represent larger national trends, in this case the left's plan to turn your cute little first grader into a camel porn watching fornicating gay Muslim, meanwhile distracting from issues of actual substance. This is a non-issue. If you don't like the board's policy, don't move to that town. End of story.

[B]Second, Buster, you should really see a therapist. So much anger![/B] At least Firstdown seems like a nice guy.

Third, USA! I'm proud of our boys, hell of a world cup.

Holla![/quote]

Don't worry, when the Opal Ring Crusade comes to Buster's town, his kids will decide to have sex in the ear instead of regular intercourse. It's much safer that way.

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Anyone else think about South Park when they saw this thread?

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[quote=dmek25;709243]spoken like someone who doesn't have kids. your way off base here, buddy[/quote]

I am well qualified to speak on the subject without having had children of my own. I am my father son and he has tought me how to make good decisions. I have never felt I couldn't go to him for advice and I did all the time. No matter what is advice came first.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;709228]Yup, more Fox News flipping out over BS.

[URL="http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/condoms-kids-provincetown-massachusetts-offers-counseling-children-courts/story?id=11006233&page=3"]Condoms for Kids: Provincetown, Massachusetts Offers Counseling to Children, and Courts Controversy - ABC News[/URL]

It was a FOX affiliate in Boston, not FOX News that ran the initial story. And if it was no big deal why did the school board get swamped with complaints and "revisit" their policy? Provincetown is a progressive area and the locals had no issue with the policy. As far as I'm concerned their public school policy is their business, public schools are a local matter.

However, there's no way condoms should be provided by the school to any children in elementary school. Middle school and high school, there should always be parental consent. Sex Ed, fine as long as it is age appropriate and there's a parental option to opt-out.

When the police come knocking on the school superintendent's door and not mine for something my kid did, or when my son gets someone pregnant the school district will provide all the necessary financial support to raise the child, or when the school district can figure out a way to bring my kid back from the dead if he died of an STD, then they can give him condoms without my consent. Until he's an adult he's my responsibility, not the school districts or state's, and that being the case no one in my school district will give him anything without my consent.[/quote]
they say kids.. fox says first graders

they probably would've put kindergartners had they been able to spell it correctly

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[quote=saden1;709256]I am well qualified to speak on the subject without having had children of my own. I am my father son and he has tought me how to make good decisions. I have never felt I couldn't go to him for advice and I did all the time. No matter what is advice came first.[/quote]
thats great, and im glad for you. but not all kids can avoid something known as peer pressure. in reality, you can do all the right things as a parent, and once the child reaches a certain age, they will start making their own decisions. they will have pressure from all angles. some will do the right thing. others.... let me ask you this, our prisons are full. are the parents of all those prisoners bad parents?

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[quote=tryfuhl;709257]they say kids.. fox says first graders

[B]they probably would've put kindergartners had they been able to spell it correctly[/B][/quote]

And so you continue the cycle of hyperbole. Nice.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;709262]And so you continue the cycle of hyperbole. Nice.[/quote]

And notice how FOX News has somehow hacked into MSNBC and taken over their site as well

[url=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37904506/ns/local_news-cleveland,_oh]1st graders can ask for condoms - Local News - Cleveland, OH - News - msnbc.com[/url]

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[quote=saden1;709256]I am well qualified to speak on the subject without having had children of my own. I am my father son and he has tought me how to make good decisions. I have never felt I couldn't go to him for advice and I did all the time. No matter what is advice came first.[/quote]Your father has done a good job and I'm sure is a remarkable man (but how'd you get so misguided politically :)).

Anywho, both you and dmek have valid points. Unfortunately there are outside influences that as a parent you don't have control over. Often those outside influencers aren't the best. Every family situation and external environment are different, as is every person. All you can do is lay the best moral groundwork and constantly communicate with your kids (even when they're teenagers and that's the last thing they want to do). That and a good deal of prayer are the best you can do.

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[quote=tryfuhl;709257]they say kids.. fox says first graders

they probably would've put kindergartners had they been able to spell it correctly[/quote]No, you're right, it's just Fox News.

[URL="http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-20008696-10391704.html"]Condoms for First Graders? Mass. Elementary School Under Fire - - CBS News[/URL]

[URL="http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12702564"]School could start handing out condoms to first graders - WIS News 10 - Columbia, South Carolina |[/URL]
(NBC affiliate)

[URL="http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-first-graders-condoms,0,5948098.story"]Outrage Over Plan To Give Condoms To First Graders - KTLA[/URL]

[URL="http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2010/06/schools-new-rules-allow-students-of-any-age-to-ask-for-and-get-condoms-/1"]Mass. school district to distribute condoms to any age student -[/URL]
(USA Today)

[URL="http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/24003575/detail.html"]Condoms For Elementary Students? Yes, Says Mass. Town - Boston News Story - WCVB Boston[/URL]
(a couple sentences in mentions first graders)

[URL="http://207.46.245.32/id/37904506/ns/local_news-cleveland,_oh"]1st graders can ask for condoms - Local News - Cleveland, OH - News - msnbc.com[/URL]
(this and several other MSNBC links when googled mention 1st graders in the headline)

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;709265]Your father has done a good job and I'm sure is a remarkable man (but how'd you get so misguided politically :)).

Anywho, both you and dmek have valid points. Unfortunately there are outside influences that as a parent you don't have control over. Often those outside influencers aren't the best. Every family situation and external environment are different, as is every person. All you can do is lay the best moral groundwork and constantly communicate with your kids (even when they're teenagers and that's the last thing they want to do). That and a good deal of prayer are the best you can do.[/quote]

You can't shape the world around your children, you can only shape how they see it. That is the only control you have and should expect to have.

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What if the school board reverses its decision and a bunch of parents upset about the reversal start setting up camp in front of schools and start giving kids free pamphlet on sex education and condoms? How are you going to handle that?

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[quote=saden1;709277]You can't shape the world around your children, you can only shape how they see it. That is the only control you have[/quote]well said

[quote]and should expect to have.[/quote]It's easy to say and you're exactly right, but the parental bonds always give you a feeling of wanting to do everything you can to protect your kids, even if you know it's not reasonable or feasible.

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[quote=saden1;709278]What if the school board reverses its decision and a bunch of parents upset about the reversal start setting up camp in front of schools and start giving kids free pamphlet on sex education and condoms? How are you going to handle that?[/quote]Media and talk radio would have a field day, it would be great for business in Provincetown.

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[quote=saden1;709278]What if the school board reverses its decision and a bunch of parents upset about the reversal start setting up camp in front of schools and start giving kids free pamphlet on sex education and condoms? How are you going to handle that?[/quote] Honestly , use force , it actually works well at times . If Mr. Smith gave my son a condom , then got his girl pregnant , is Mr. Smith now financially responsible for the child ? Honestly , any parent that wants to print pamphlets on sex-ed should print them .... for their kids ... not to give them to those parents would rather it be a private / family matter . That would be like me having MMA training in my basement , and allowing kids who's parents objected to that kind of sport train ..against their wishes . I just believe that each parent should be able to raise their kid , not having to worry about their neighbor . IMO , the schools should have to have consent from the parents in regards to medicine or condoms .

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[quote=djnemo65;709247]A couple of things: first, where in the article is the political affiliation of this school board or town identified? Firstdown and Buster, you are just assuming, asserting that some strange town behaving strangely is part and parcel of a larger "left" plot to ultimately show porn in schools and discredit the bible or whatever, and not just the bizarre and somewhat inexplicable maneuvering of an obscure school board in the middle of nowhere (a school board which may in fact be solidly republican, although that's unlikely). And even if the school board is predominantly liberal, or ick, even gay, from what do you conclude that their goofy school boarding represents some sort of larger political trend? This is what I term the outrage culture, in which the media spoon feeds people largely meaningless, completely symbolic stories about people in other towns doing crazy outrageous things, and tells these people that said stories somehow represent larger national trends, in this case the left's plan to turn your cute little first grader into a camel porn watching fornicating gay Muslim, meanwhile distracting from issues of actual substance. This is a non-issue. If you don't like the board's policy, don't move to that town. End of story.

Second, Buster, you should really see a therapist. So much anger! At least Firstdown seems like a nice guy.

Third, USA! I'm proud of our boys, hell of a world cup.

Holla![/quote]

Absolutely agree. I haven't wanted to post anything, I've just been reading this and it made me think of a number of our more controversial threads. Basically we'll have an extremely sensible post that basically neither side could argue against like this one.

Instead, both sides ignore and just want to continue to attacks back and forth... :doh:

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[quote=budw38;709286]Honestly , use force , it actually works well at times . If Mr. Smith gave my son a condom , then got his girl pregnant , is Mr. Smith now financially responsible for the child ? Honestly , any parent that wants to print pamphlets on sex-ed should print them .... for their kids ... not to give them to those parents would rather it be a private / family matter . That would be like me having MMA training in my basement , and allowing kids who's parents objected to that kind of sport train ..against their wishes . I just believe that each parent should be able to raise their kid , not having to worry about their neighbor . IMO , the schools should have to have consent from the parents in regards to medicine or condoms .[/quote]


So if I setup an information booth right outside your kids school and I offered sex ed material and free condoms you'd try to physically harm me?

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[quote=saden1;709302]So if I setup an information booth right outside your kids school and I offered sex ed material and free condoms you'd try to physically harm me?[/quote]

Dancing on the bar with no panties on. I was sheltered, my mom home schooled me.

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Sorry I feel like I started this thread and then ran off but I did have a great weekend at the beach. I wonder how some here would have reacted to his as it kind off relates to this situation.

fetus dolls given out by teacher
[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/local-breaking-news/virginia/elementary-students-given-fetu.html]Post Now - Va. principal on leave over fetus dolls[/url]

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[quote=saden1;709277]You can't shape the world around your children, you can only shape how they see it. That is the only control you have and should expect to have.[/quote]

Awesome.

I would take it a step further, to say that trying to shape the world around your children is an impediment to their development into rational, critical thinkers, who are able to withstand the pressure of their peers, and society in general.

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[quote=saden1;709302]So if I setup an information booth right outside your kids school and I offered sex ed material and free condoms you'd try to physically harm me?[/quote]


The scary part is I can kind of picture you doing this and by the way I bet you would get arrested.

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[quote=saden1;709302]So if I setup an information booth right outside your kids school and I offered sex ed material and free condoms you'd try to physically harm me?[/quote]

would you set that up to the left or right of the stand giving away free fetus dolls



can't this thread just be closed??

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;709406]would you set that up to the left or right of the stand giving away free fetus dolls



can't this thread just be closed??[/quote]

I believe sex education comes before fetus education. While I would prefer that my stand be to the left it all depends where the line forms.

p.s. stop half-assing it.

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[quote=firstdown;709402]The scary part is I can kind of picture you doing this and by the way [B]I bet you would get arrested.[/B][/quote]

For what? Corrupting a minor?

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[quote=saden1;709416]for what? Corrupting a minor?[/quote]

lol.

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[quote=saden1;709302]So if I setup an information booth right outside your kids school and I offered sex ed material and free condoms you'd try to physically harm me?[/quote]
LOL , no .... however , neither you or anyone else has a right to decide what to teach , or preach to another persons child . No different than if a group of parents set up a booth outside of a school with info on how roll a joint or how to hide alcohol from parents or teachers . I just believe that each parent should be the sole teacher for their own kid ... live and let live .

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[quote=budw38;709430]LOL , no .... however , neither you or anyone else has a right to decide what to teach , or preach to another persons child . No different than if a group of parents set up a booth outside of a school with info on how roll a joint or how to hide alcohol from parents or teachers . I just believe that each parent should be the sole teacher for their own kid ... live and let live .[/quote]


This is true for you born agains...keep the Jesus booth at home as well.

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[quote=GhettoDogAllStars;709401]Awesome.

I would take it a step further, to say that trying to shape the world around your children is an impediment to their development into rational, critical thinkers, who are able to withstand the pressure of their peers, and society in general.[/quote]
definitely... I know way too many people who can't think for themselves and just ride on whatever wave their parents put them on.. that goes for libs and conservs, dems and repubs

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[quote=mredskins;709437]This is true for you born agains...keep the Jesus booth at home as well.[/quote]
What ? For what it's worth genius , I do not attend church , no do I worship people .... and I have never been good at taking orders .

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[quote=saden1;709416]For what? Corrupting a minor?[/quote]

soliciting on school grounds, etc

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Is there anybody in this thread who actually believe first graders will go to the school nurse and ask for condoms so they can become a degenerate sex fiend? The idea of first graders asking for condoms and then ending up screwing their lives because of it is asinine. DJNemo is right on point with his post and thanks to TMC for pointing that out too.