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[quote=GusFrerotte;709969]To build a team over the long haul we need to keep our top picks. Why go for Jackson if we can target a great WR in the first round or two next season that will stay around for awhile for lesser cost to the franchise? Multiple picks for a guy, however good he is, is not warranted. Hamo is right, we have too many holes still to plug in the lines still, plus LB and DB. Fletch might decide to retire after this season or next. LB is going to be a top need for us ASAP. We have already given up a lot for both McNabb and Brown. I like the FA moves, in that they have been smart and have addressed needs, but we still are almost exclusively using FA to build a team.[/quote]

Yep you are right in that LB is a big need for this team moving forward as well as DL next years draft. We have alot of age and people playing out of position in both of those positions.


One of the problems I have with drafting WR is we never draft them well at all.

Now maybe that will change with MS and BA in charge, but drafting WR is a gamble in my opinion. I like grabbing proven guys from FA when it comes to this position.

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[quote=GMScud;709880]I hear you, I just feel like Marshall is a really dynamic playmaker. He has a penchant for big time catches, and often finds spectacular ways to find the endzone after the catch. I know "dynamic playmaker" is tough to quantify (and I also know that his YPC doesn't help that argument), but that's just my opinion.

Also, when you're targeted as often as Marshall was in Denver, chances are your YPC is going to be lower. He was used so much in both the short, intermediate, and deep passing game, much more so than VJ in SD. Not that VJ couldn't be that guy, he just wasn't for reasons you pointed out (Gates and good pass catching RBs).

I have no doubt if you swapped VJ's role in SD with Brandon Marshall, the YPC numbers would have been just as good.[/quote]I do think Marshall's best days are ahead of him, which is why I've refrained from ripping the Dolphins from throwing two second round picks at him. As a prospective pickup, there's clearly plenty of talent there to work with.

As a player, Marshall is sort of a workhorse receiver. Problem is, I'm not really sure there's a spot for a workhorse receiver in an NFL offense. Which is to say, if I know I have a guy who can get 10 catches a game on 18 to 20 targets, but is only going to turn those 20 plays into 120 yards, well, now I'm averaging 6 yards per pass. If JaMarcus Russell is your quarterback, that's great! Get that man the football!

I think Marshall can be valuable if one out of every ten of his catches can go for a touchdown, as they did this year. But that's a career high mark. Over his career, it's been one in every fourteen to sixteen passes. In a high scoring offense. That's a guy who, traditionally, isn't very good in the red zone. And so if you aren't good at getting yards, and you're not good in the red zone, and you're going to act like an immature baby, why would I want you on my team?

Jackson does all those things well, and by all accounts, isn't out there to embarrass his teammates or his family name. And I think the numbers speak for themselves: he deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Larry Fitzgerald. We don't discount Fitz' performance for having his best three years with a future hall of fame passer, and so Jackson shouldn't be seen as simply a product of Philip Rivers' genius.

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It should also be noted that Marshall's Blache-adjusted TD total in 2010 is just 8. Landry/Smoot/Hall/Rogers combined to allow him to have his only two TD receptions on "long" passes last year by showing him enough respect to *not* cover him. At all.

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[quote=Redskin Jim;709931]I don't think Matty's questioning your logic, just stating you seem to be taking a pessimistic stance on the current roster moves.[/quote]

Wow...way to completely misinterpret my 'glass-half empty' post. If you look at some of my other posts or what I have said in this thread, I have never said that getting McNabb, Williams, Brown etc. were bad moves. In fact, I have genuine optimism going forward. I even said, "there is reason to be optimistic" ad verbatim.

My posts are directed at those who say: 1. With Vincent Jackson, we are superbowl contenders or 2. Our offensive line is the best in the division.

My point is, this current group has proven nothing. Does that mean I am saying they are bad? No, Does it mean that we should be getting ready to send 20 players to the pro bowl? Resoundingly no.

[B]It's not pessimistic to say that this team is NOT a surefire Superbowl Contender.[/B] If it is then label me a pessimist.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;709973]Let's just wait till next year to draft Julio Jones or Malcolm Floyd.[/quote]Or A.J. Green (aren't you in Georgia?).

Phenomenal underclassman in college football this year. If we don't acquire a big name receiver, it seems like a virtual certainty we'll take a big name player in the first round next year. And I honestly think we'll probably get a no. 2 receiver out of Malcolm Kelly, starting this year with a 600 yard, 4 TD season. At least, that's my prediction.

600/4 doesn't get you very far if you don't have a guy who can do 850/8 on a yearly basis on the outside. Add ten more TDs from Cooley/Davis and now you have 22 passing TDs split amongst just your top four guys, which is excellent production. Just add some competent backups and that's a top ten passing offense.

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[quote=GTripp0012;709980]Or A.J. Green [B](aren't you in Georgia?).[/B]

Phenomenal underclassman in college football this year. If we don't acquire a big name receiver, it seems like a virtual certainty we'll take a big name player in the first round next year. And I honestly think we'll probably get a no. 2 receiver out of Malcolm Kelly, starting this year with a 600 yard, 4 TD season. At least, that's my prediction.

600/4 doesn't get you very far if you don't have a guy who can do 850/8 on a yearly basis on the outside. Add ten more TDs from Cooley/Davis and now you have 22 passing TDs split amongst just your top four guys, which is excellent production. Just add some competent backups and that's a top ten passing offense.[/quote]

Exactly why I didn't mention him. All indications have him going in the top 5 next year though I must admit his numbers leave something to be desiered.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;709981]Exactly why I didn't mention him. All indications have him going in the top 5 next year [B]though I must admit his numbers leave something to be desiered.[/B][/quote]Haven't looked at his numbers, so I'll take your word for it.

Honestly, I don't even go to college numbers until a guy starts talking about making a jump to the NFL, because guys who look totally lost in his first two seasons sometimes kill it for their last two (not unlike the NFL). And, in the case of Rex Grossman (and others), vice versa. What Green does this year is going to determine more than half of his NFL (draft) player profile, so hopefully, he tears up the SEC this year, and is around when we pick.

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[quote=over the mountain;709851]Anyone else getting the feeling that McNabb's window of time left before he starts to noticeably decline (2-3 years) is the window allen and shanny want to win a SB?

Just seems like we are in a win now or next year mode.

top 10 defense? check
Getting a franchise qb? check
Getting a LT and RT? check
Getting a true no. 1 receiver to reap the benefits of having a franchise qb and competent O line? TBD.[/quote]

and don't forget not being a SB champion team but staying in a Holiday Inn Express the night before games will make them play like one. ;)

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[quote=GTripp0012;709977]I do think Marshall's best days are ahead of him, which is why I've refrained from ripping the Dolphins from throwing two second round picks at him. As a prospective pickup, there's clearly plenty of talent there to work with.

As a player, Marshall is sort of a workhorse receiver. Problem is, I'm not really sure there's a spot for a workhorse receiver in an NFL offense. Which is to say, if I know I have a guy who can get 10 catches a game on 18 to 20 targets, but is only going to turn those 20 plays into 120 yards, well, now I'm averaging 6 yards per pass. If JaMarcus Russell is your quarterback, that's great! Get that man the football!
[B]
I think Marshall can be valuable if one out of every ten of his catches can go for a touchdown, as they did this year. But that's a career high mark. Over his career, it's been one in every fourteen to sixteen passes. In a high scoring offense. That's a guy who, traditionally, isn't very good in the red zone.[/B] And so if you aren't good at getting yards, and you're not good in the red zone, and you're going to act like an immature baby, why would I want you on my team?

[B]
Jackson does all those things well, and by all accounts, isn't out there to embarrass his teammates or his family name. [/B]And I think the numbers speak for themselves: he deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Larry Fitzgerald. We don't discount Fitz' performance for having his best three years with a future hall of fame passer, and so Jackson shouldn't be seen as simply a product of Philip Rivers' genius.[/quote]


Well when you say "over his career," you're really only talking about three seasons, during which he was 23-25 years old. He's getting better. Again, if VJ saw all the targets BM saw, especially in the short passing game, I'm sure his YPC would be more similar to BM's. Denver didn't have an Antonio Gates or Sproles/LT to catch passes out of the backfield. I don't think VJ's success is solely a product of Rivers. I think he's a great talent.

At some point this became the Brandon Marshall vs. Vincent Jackson thread. I think they're both great, and there are arguments on both sides for why one is better than the other. It's sort of apples to apples. I'll be happy to have one or both on any of my fantasy teams this fall. :)

As far as Jackson embarrassing teammates/family, maybe his antics aren't on BM's level, but 2 or 3 DUI's and an upcoming suspension isn't too far off. Plus I hear the fanbase out in SD is pretty much over the guy.

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Anyone else just hear on NFL total access that Vincent Jackson is currently catching passes and working out with Mcnabb in Arizona right now? They also talked about the possibility of the skins working out a 3 team deal to acquire Jackson and get rid of haynesworth to reduce the amount of picks involved.

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[quote=GMScud;709985]Well when you say "over his career," you're really only talking about three seasons, during which he was 23-25 years old. He's getting better. Again, if VJ saw all the targets BM saw, especially in the short passing game, I'm sure his YPC would be more similar to BM's. Denver didn't have an Antonio Gates or Sproles/LT to catch passes out of the backfield. I don't think VJ's success is solely a product of Rivers. I think he's a great talent.

At some point this became the Brandon Marshall vs. Vincent Jackson thread. I think they're both great, and there are arguments on both sides for why one is better than the other. It's sort of apples to apples. I'll be happy to have one or both on any of my fantasy teams this fall. :)

As far as Jackson embarrassing teammates/family, maybe his antics aren't on BM's level, but 2 or 3 DUI's and an upcoming suspension isn't too far off. Plus I hear the fanbase out in SD is pretty much over the guy.[/quote]I don't think you're wrong. More short targets for VJ would mean more catches that fail to pick up first downs which would mean less value per play. I follow that logic completely: Jackson clearly benefits from the role Norv calls for him.

I don't necessarily think it reverses though. I don't think you could have Marshall play the role of Jackson in the Chargers offense and still have a top five passing offense, top five scoring offense, or necessarily have Marshall not actively hurting the offense. Now, the Miami Dolphins are betting two valuable second round picks and tens of millions of dollars that GTripp has no f-ing clue what he's talking about. That's...intimidating. But it's also not my loss if they are wrong.

And like you said, he's not quite done improving/refining. The veteran/aged Brandon Marshall is going to be a different player than the developing Marshall. Probably along the lines of a pure possession receiver.

My whole point all along was that I don't really think it is apples to apples, and if you were ever going to consider throwing a top draft pick at a veteran player, might as well make it a 27-year old who is at the top of his craft. There are ALWAYS good reasons to suspect that it's a bad idea to give up picks for players. There's a really good chance that giving up picks for players is always a losing proposition, and never a good idea. However, in the absence of this conclusion, Jackson is about as close to a sure-thing elite talent as it gets. And no one at his level (5+ WPA "wins" in the last two seasons) is ever on the trading block. Or at least not since Jared Allen was two seasons ago.

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[quote=GTripp0012;709995]I don't think you're wrong. More short targets for VJ would mean more catches that fail to pick up first downs which would mean less value per play. I follow that logic completely: Jackson clearly benefits from the role Norv calls for him.

I don't necessarily think it reverses though. I don't think you could have Marshall play the role of Jackson in the Chargers offense and still have a top five passing offense, top five scoring offense, or necessarily have Marshall not actively hurting the offense. [B]Now, the Miami Dolphins are betting two valuable second round picks and tens of millions of dollars that GTripp has no f-ing clue what he's talking about. That's...intimidating. But it's also not my loss if they are wrong.[/B]

And like you said, he's not quite done improving/refining. The veteran/aged Brandon Marshall is going to be a different player than the developing Marshall. Probably along the lines of a pure possession receiver.

My whole point all along was that I don't really think it is apples to apples, and if you were ever going to consider throwing a top draft pick at a veteran player, might as well make it a 27-year old who is at the top of his craft. There are ALWAYS good reasons to suspect that it's a bad idea to give up picks for players. There's a really good chance that giving up picks for players is always a losing proposition, and never a good idea. However, in the absence of this conclusion, Jackson is about as close to a sure-thing elite talent as it gets. And no one at his level (5+ WPA "wins" in the last two seasons) is ever on the trading block. Or at least not since Jared Allen was two seasons ago.[/quote]

I lol'd. That's signature worthy.

I guess we're almost in agreement, however I do think if SD used Marshall like they did VJ, they would have still had good results. He's not quite the physical specimen that VJ is, but he's an elite receiver who can go underneath and up top with success. Basically I think BM is a bit more a stud WR than you do.

Good discussion. I talked more football on this site today than I have in months. I'm so jacked for the season.

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[quote=skinsfanthru&thru;709992]Anyone else just hear on NFL total access [B]that Vincent Jackson is currently catching passes and working out with Mcnabb in Arizona right now[/B]? They also talked about the possibility of the skins working out a 3 team deal to acquire Jackson and get rid of haynesworth to reduce the amount of picks involved.[/quote]That's pretty big news.

The second part seems like pure speculation by the NFLN panel, who knows who is actually interested in Haynesworth? (Raiders?...he'd make a lot of sense for that defense), because SD probably wants nothing to do with him, but 3 team deals are hard.

They're also a Shanahan specialty (the 2006 John Abraham trade had nothing to do with Denver, but he finagled a trade up for Cutler out of it).

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[quote=rbanerjee23;709979]Wow...way to completely misinterpret my 'glass-half empty' post. If you look at some of my other posts or what I have said in this thread, I have never said that getting McNabb, Williams, Brown etc. were bad moves. In fact, I have genuine optimism going forward. I even said, "there is reason to be optimistic" ad verbatim.

My posts are directed at those who say: 1. With Vincent Jackson, we are superbowl contenders or 2. Our offensive line is the best in the division.

My point is, this current group has proven nothing. Does that mean I am saying they are bad? No, Does it mean that we should be getting ready to send 20 players to the pro bowl? Resoundingly no.

[B]It's not pessimistic to say that this team is NOT a surefire Superbowl Contender.[/B] If it is then label me a pessimist.[/quote]

I was merely referring to these takes you had on these moves:

[quote]top 10 defense? no idea b/c this group w/ the 3-4 is untested
franchise qb? no b/c McNabb is not the long term answer
Getting a LT and RT? yeah, we acquired a LT and RT. One is coming off a major injury and is changing positions, the other is a rookie who wasn't the top ranked tackle in the draft
Solid RB core? No, bunch of old-timers
The list could go on and on about the deficiencies.[/quote]

Sounded pessimistic to me.

In the grand scheme I get what you're saying now.

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[quote=GTripp0012;709997]That's pretty big news.

The second part seems like pure speculation by the NFLN panel, [B]who knows who is actually interested in Haynesworth?[/B] (Raiders?...he'd make a lot of sense for that defense), because SD probably wants nothing to do with him, but 3 team deals are hard.

They're also a Shanahan specialty (the 2006 John Abraham trade had nothing to do with Denver, but he finagled a trade up for Cutler out of it).[/quote]

Seattle was floated out there a week or so ago as being possibly interested.

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Pft is reporting that Vincent Jackson is working out with mcnabb in Arizona.

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Go west, fat guy.

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[quote=Defensewins;709869][B]Shanhan won SB's in Denver with and 8th round WR and undrafted WR. [/B]
I see your point about McNabb....but I think our looking at WR's right now is more about Shannahan not happy with what we currently have at WR than that we need to win now because McNabb is older. They are exploring the diffrent options and cost to improve our WR corp that he is clearly not happy with yet.[/quote]

He also had one of the best QB in NFL history.

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Jacksons stats his first 2 years in the league = 30 catches, 500 yds, 6TDs

Devin Thomas's stats after 2 years = 40 catches, 425 yards, 4 TDS

for all we know we already have a player better than him on our roster - one that we already spent a draft pick on. Groom our own players!

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[quote=81forHOF;710006]Jacksons stats his first 2 years in the league = 30 catches, 500 yds, 6TDs

Devin Thomas's stats after 2 years = 40 catches, 425 yards, 4 TDS

for all we know we already have a player better than him on our roster - one that we already spent a draft pick on. Groom our own players![/quote]


You make an excellent point based on your stats, it seems like alot of people miss Vinny although they say they don't. Vinny would of sold the farm to get this guy already. I beleive our WR's will step up this year better system & coaching.

HTTR

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[quote=81forHOF;710006]Jacksons stats his first 2 years in the league = 30 catches, 500 yds, 6TDs

Devin Thomas's stats after 2 years = 40 catches, 425 yards, 4 TDS

for all we know we already have a player better than him on our roster - one that we already spent a draft pick on. Groom our own players![/quote]Well, let's put it this way: if Thomas has even a 5% chance of becoming Vincent Jackson, we're not going to trade for Vincent Jackson.

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Well, lets put it this way: if the WR's we had were impressive enough the coaching staff wouldn't be looking outside the team at WR's. Clearly they are not satisfied with what they see or have now.

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[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/6/29/1544368/what-is-wr-vincent-jackson-worth#storyjump]What is WR Vincent Jackson Worth in a Redskins Trade? - Hogs Haven[/url]

Just something to read, 29 days before Training Camp opens.

HTTR.

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[quote=SBXVII;710011]Well, lets put it this way: if the WR's we had were impressive enough the coaching staff wouldn't be looking outside the team at WR's. Clearly they are not satisfied with what they see or have now.[/quote]Correct.

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[quote=81forHOF;710006]Jacksons stats his first 2 years in the league = 30 catches, 500 yds, 6TDs

Devin Thomas's stats after 2 years = 40 catches, 425 yards, 4 TDS

for all we know we already have a player better than him on our roster - one that we already spent a draft pick on. Groom our own players![/quote]

Yes, lets.
[IMG]http://www.beaglepaws.com/images/DogGrooming.jpg[/IMG]
Just pretend that Devin Thomas is the dog.

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I concur, nice comparison about the stats, but we aren't part of the coaching staff or the FO. IF those guys aren't happy with what they had seen during OTA's then that is all we need to know. Devin might work out, but then again he might not. Shanny would know better than us. I say leave VJ alone. We need the draft picks and if Thomas is a bust we can draft a first rounder in the near future.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;710012][URL="http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/6/29/1544368/what-is-wr-vincent-jackson-worth#storyjump"]What is WR Vincent Jackson Worth in a Redskins Trade? - Hogs Haven[/URL]

Just something to read, 29 days before Training Camp opens.

HTTR.[/quote]


Stopped reading when he compared VJ to Brandon Lloyd

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I would like the 3-way deal, but I don't like giving into the fat mans demands. If we could pull it off would a half hearted AH be better for the team or would VJ?

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;710022]I would like the 3-way deal, but[B] I don't like giving into the fat mans demands[/B]. If we could pull it off would a half hearted AH be better for the team or would VJ?[/quote]


I agree hate giving in to *ss ^oles (can't even type his initials) demands, but if we sign VJ aren't we kind of giving into VJ's demands.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;710020]Stopped reading when he compared VJ to Brandon Lloyd[/quote]

You really want this to happen huh?

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Well I think when you look at it like that, yes we are, but we are recieving a player that the coaches want to have be a part of the team, so in that sense we are getting something in value in return making it a win win situation.

Now the only problem I have is VJ hasn't quite proven much yet other than a couple of good years. This is where I might struggle to give a guy with his history a ton of money.

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[quote=SBXVII;710011]Well, lets put it this way: if the WR's we had were impressive enough the coaching staff wouldn't be looking outside the team at WR's. Clearly they are not satisfied with what they see or have now.[/quote]

Exactly. This is an indictment about the FO lack of faith to Vinny's picks. Clearly they don't like Kelly (not sure about Thomas), but IMO Jackson isn't gonna get any better than he was last yr and seems to value his drinks more than his team and coming to DC is trouble, so trading the world to get this guy doesn't make sense. Why waste a future starter at OL,WR, S, LB on a questionable player off-field who IMO isn't a top 10 WR?

When it's all over, Moss is our #2 and T.O's our #1 WR Opening Night.

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Vallin,

You think TO has been humbled enough to even think about bringing him in here??

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I could still see that happening as well Villian. I don't know if I like the idea but I do see it as a possibility.

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Get him!

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[quote=GusFrerotte;710031]Vallin,

You think TO has been humbled enough to even think about bringing him in here??[/quote]

I kind of agree with Vallin. It's a bit of risk but the cost would be a lot less and the return could be great. I've been saying for awhile that I think TO could still come here late. I mean he put up 829 yards in a crappy Buffalo offense last year and was much better behaved than in Philly or Dallas. If you give him an incentive based contract I have a feeling he would love nothing more than stick it to Dallas and Philly twice a year. Its not like we would be locked into a long term contract. If he does well awesome, if not we cut ties and move on. I would really like to see it happen.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;710031]Vallin,

You think TO has been humbled enough to even think about bringing him in here??[/quote]

PS I think if T.O. came to town he would be No. 1, DT No. 2, and Santana in the slot.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;710031]Vallin,

You think TO has been humbled enough to even think about bringing him in here??[/quote]

I think he has. If the last 2 offseasons didn't do it I don't know what will. I didn't here of any problems w/ him in BUF. He's 37 hasn't won a SB and I think he realizes he's not the same T.O we saw 5 yrs ago but still produces. We'd have to sign him to a 1 yr deal and he knows that. More importantly having McNabb at QB as opposed to Edwards might get him motivated for 1 more "big" yr. The problem is we have the AH headache and bringing in T.O would cause a circus because he's T.O, but I think he's been humbled enough to realize it's not about him, knowing that his place in Canton could depend on him winning at least 1 SB.

And yeah Tana would be in the slot, DT #2 and T.O #1

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Is there any link or has anyone else heard the rumors that McNabb is working out with Vincent Jackson in Arizona?
And if so...are there any sources that indicate that this is anything more than due diligence on the part of the Skins?

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[quote=skinsnut;710041]Is there any link or has anyone else heard the rumors that McNabb is working out with Vincent Jackson in Arizona?
And if so...are there any sources that indicate that this is anything more than due diligence on the part of the Skins?[/quote]

I found the link

[url=http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=3202&line=175340&spln=1]Fantasy Football Breaking News - Rotoworld.com[/url]